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Here's the index to the first "MIKKI MAUS" ever printed in Russia
(1989).
I put it on the list, 'cause I think some might find it interesting
which stories were used.

D 8160 (Micky and Goofy have a picnic and meet villains)
D 8468 (April, May and June visit Grandma Duck)
D 9634 (Pluto has a space adventure with little green aliens)
D 7612 (Onepager, Donald paints the floor and a mouse ruins it)
D 6402 (Donald competes with Gladstone for a theater-role)

Cover: Mickey in a red plane, Goofy behind him flying a kite
An introduction on page 2, printing notes of the one before last
page, no fun'n'games, no text pages, no ads.

Gosh, I think I have to find somebody who can read this stuff, so I
can add the Russian _names_ to our language index!

Harald

PS: I manged to decipher: "DONAL'D DAK", "GLEDSTOUN GENDER",
"DESI DAK", "PLUTO", "GUFI" - which all seem to indicate a pattern
of using the original names and writing them down in a literal way.
(Surprisingly they would look like that in Germen too, if we did
the same). Sure they look cooler in cyrillic - any possibility for
that on the index-lists?

Ciao
Harald

--- (Harald Havas) (Email removed)

Hi, everybody, I am a new subscriber.
First of all, I apologise for my English and for being a little
"awkward"in using my e-mail program; it is my first time I send a
message to a mailing list.
I also apologise if do not write any intro of myself; i will do it
another time...

All the Mailing List:

In the latest issue of the Italian digest "Topolino" (N.2030) there is
the first part of a new story drawn by G.B. Carpi, featuring Paperinik.
It is called "Ritorno a Villa Rosa" ("Back to Rose Mansion") and it is a
sequel of PK 's very first story. By the way, G.B. Carpi was the graphic
creator of PK in the late sixties, and this event is even more
remarkable if you consider that this is the 2nd Carpi's story in a
couple of months after a 5 years' pause !
This story contains many references to the first PK story (dated, I
think, 1969); the story-writer is Fabio Michelini.

I think it is worth having it, at least for those who can understand
Italian, although neither the graphics, nor the story (so far) meets the
standards of the early Carpi's (and PK's) stories.
I would like to have your opinions about it (Italian readers, I
suppose).

Jakob/Harald - Super Ducks:

Yes, the Italian name of Daisy's super alter-ego is Paperinika, being
"-a"
the female suffix in my language e.g.: "Paperino"=Donald Duck,
"Paperina"=Daisy Duck.

Don Rosa:

Thank you, Mr. Rosa for your great contribution to this Mailing list and
thanks for the beautiful material about "Life & Times of Scrooge" I
could download from the internet.

Did you know that your story "War of the Wendigo !" has just been
published in the latest issue (number 84) of the monthly "Zio Paperone,
together with Bark's "Land of the Pigmy Indians"?
And I think both of them are in their original versions !

Bye, bye.

DWIGHT:
>I'm not even sure how to indicate the hard g for "Gledstoun Gender."

I think the way to do that is "Ghender."

--Jonathan

HARALD & DWIGHT & A FEW OTHERS:
I thought we all knew about that infamous "first Russian Mickey Mouse "
issue. That issue with MM in a plane and Goofy flying a kite that is sold as
a rare collector's edition for $10 is, in fact, the THIRD issue of the
Russian Mickey Mouse comic. I have copies of the first two given to me by
the Egmont branch that printed it.
Here's my theory: Egmont printed the first 2 issues and did their stuff.
Then, around 1989-90, when Disney decided they were going to take over their
comics, perhaps it was Disney that supervised the production of that third
issue. This might also explain why the story selection suggested that the
editors were unfamiliar with the characters? Anyway, in their usual
grandiose style, they probably printed millions, knowing that the Asian
people were Disney-starved. This is true, but I suspect that there were
unforeseen problems in distributing the issue and virtually NONE were sold
in Russia. So... what to do with all these funnybooks? Somebody noticed that
there was no NUMBER anywhere on the issue, so a sharp marketer decided that,
given that the American collectibles market will suck up ANYTHING with a
"Disney" label that they are told is a "collector's item", they put a price
tag of $10 on it (instead of 50 cents) and sold it as the "FIRST RUSSIAN MM"
issue to the "collectibles" people. I thought it was very odd to see the ads
claim that this was the first Russian MM that sold out immediately all over
Russia! And we have STACKS of them left to sell to you for $10! Why weren't
they sold during the sell-out in Russia where they supposedly came from?
"Collectibles" collectors don't ask questions like that... they just want to
be assured of a resale profit. Now I see people saying that in Europe they
are giving these issues away or selling them for halfabuck. That's because
they know you don't have "collectible louts" in Europe like sprang up in
America in the 80s.
I recall that in 1990 at the Disney Comics booth in San Diego they were
selling those "first" Rooshin MMs for $10 each... and directly across the
aisle, by mere chance, was a dealer who had on his back-display the two
PREVIOUS issues of the Russian MM for a coupla bucks each. He said his
daughter had been on a trip in Russia and had sent them to him.

FABRIZIO!:
Welcome to another List member from the land of my father! Thanks for the
kind words. (Someday I hope to get my hands on some of those ZIO PAPERONEs,
too!)

GAUTE:

>
>ITALIANS:
>
>Is it difficult to find copies of Topolino from the 50's and 60's in Italy?
>How is the collectors market down there, I would like to get in contact with
>somebody who could act as my agent.
>
It is not easy. Disney is boasting that #1 of Topolino (April 1949) is worth
Lit 2,000,000 (US$ 1,350) but I do wish it were true! In fact, issues #1 to
#40 (March 1952) have been reprinted (I wonder whether with any
authorization from Disney...) and the whole bunch sells at collectors' shops
for Lit 600,000 (US$ 400). (Issue #1 has been reprinted also by Disney, a
couple of years ago).
I have two spare copies of (original) early issues (#9 and #15, say; I can't
be precise now) and tried to sell them at a comic convention two years ago.
No one offered me more than Lit 50,000 (US$ 33) for each, so I kept them.
And what about later issues? There are no reprints, and I guess if you want
to buy them they'd ask you a lot of money. But, as usual, if you want to
sell them they'll offer you very little. I was offered Lit 5,000,000 (US$
3,350) for my collection from #1 to #500 (June 1965) and of course I refused.
It is easier (and not expensive) to find issues from the 70's. Most used
comic book dealers will sell them for Lit 1,000 (US$ 0.65) each.

But if you are interested in STORIES, not in collecting issues, then you'll
easily (er.. sometimes not so easily) find them in one of the many official
current magazines which carry only reprints (see Arthur's HomePage for
this...). Just wait until I (and Frank) give Harry the new version of the
Italian database with links to the REPRINTS for each Italian story!

Marco

DON:
I went and read your reply to Didier even though I saw your warning.
You say you're a fan of sword-and-sorcery fantasy. Have you ever thought about
making a Duck story about the subject? Well, I'm sure you've thought about
it, but why haven't you made a one?

ALL:
A while ago I bought a copy of the Barks' Bear Book. The quality of
printing was rather poor and the material was obviously xeroxed from the
comic books, not the original drawings. Could there be enough demand for
such a book so as to make a proper one with good-looking art 'n stuff?
Btw, although I'm not a "collector" of the kind who buys and sells
stuff depending on the profit he can make, I'm still interested in the value
of the BBB in the market today. How expensive is it in, say, mint condition?

--

Mike - The Finnish Trekkie

SUPER-DUCKS
Maybe we should collect info for a "Disney-Superhero" page/index?
There is "Super-Goof", his nephew "Super-Alfons" (in German), Donald,
Daisy (and Scrooge?), and I recently saw a very old (and badly drawn)
story in a "Lustiges Taschenbuch" that features Mickey with huge
powers after an explosion(!) in a laboratory(!)
And let's not forget the one story I remember distinctly from
childhood: Clarabelle eats some of Goofy's peanuts and transforms
into "Super-Clarabella" - but is ashamed of being dressed in underwear!
Was this American? And was this a one-shot? Who knows more?

MNKKN MAYC
Well, Arthur, yes, I also received this as a freebee from my
editor-friends at Ehapa. But I was never under the impression that it
was a promo-one-shot (it has a price on the outside which reads, I
think, 1 Rubel 50 Kopek.) It was also sold in Germany with an extra
sleeve and a ISBN of its own (price: DM 3,80) - but, who knows?

MICKEY IN CHINA
Speaking of freebees: I also received the Chinese #1, which I cannot
read in any way (but it has "MIckey Mouse" as a subtitle on the
outside). Here's the index:

"MM-China" 6/1993

D 89065 (Onepager, Mickey tries to repair the antenna on Minnie's roof)
D 89205 (Donald's late for work, Gyro constructs a hydraulic bed - 2p)
D 89256 (BB Wolf and the bear try to steal sheep, LBW. has a pizza)
Four pages of puzzles in b/w with Goofy, Mickey and Launchpad(!?)
D 88162 (Onepager, Goofy plays piano, a salesman complains)
D 88224 (Donald and Minnie hunt a misplaced, rare cello and notes)
D W/O.S. 189 (Onepager, HDL sell beans(?), D hunts them in the end)

Cover: M and G in a boat with a seagull on G's head holding MM #1 in
his beak. No text pages, no introduction, the back shows an ad for MM
# 7/1993. Price suggests 1,95 whatever they use...

It seems clear, that at least this is ment to be as an ongoing
series. Both this and the Russion book are full cover, left to right,
the paper for the Russian edition is old-US-style, the one for China
is glossy. And neither has any intention of introducing the
characters in a proper way. But maybe children dont care?

DISNEYLAND TEHERAN
The strangest news I read this summer (besides UFO-sightings and crop
circles near Vienna), was that "construction already began on the
newest Disneyland near Teheran, Iran!"
The news stated also that this was built with the help of some
engeneers, who also built DL-Paris... This "information" was printed
in a serious newspaper, but there is little doubt that it's just
plain nonsense - I mean, Iran falls also under this "No buisness with
our enemies! Growl! Barf!"-law that has been passed in the states, no?

PS: Interesting side-note: this kind of misinformation in newspapers is
called "Ente" or "Zeitungsente" in German - meaning, of course "Duck"
or "Newspaper duck". Whyever! But it's a normal expression...

Bye!

Harald

--- (Harald Havas) (Email removed)

DON:
As I remember you had been on the TCJ contributor list for a long time.
In TCJ #44, p. 66 there was

The Fanny Awards - Saluting the Best & Worst in Fandom. By Marilyn Bethke.

Where's not only Don Rosa is saluted. Well known DWIGHT DECKER already had
been saluted for TCJ #41.
What's 'Fanny'? - I don't find it in my dictionary.

APA-I:
BTW: My APA-I friend Juergen Gebhardt from Berlin did a contribution for
APA-I-Mailing. It's an index: 'Disney Comics Stories produced by Gladstone'
including Gladstone's first run 1987-90 (AR 101 - 154) and second run
(started with AR 200, ending with AR 212 - WDCSt #601)

SVEN:
Oh, another German meber. Hi Oliver!

> Another topic I'm keen on is Indiana Jones.
That's no surprise as you are a Barks and Rosa fan. As known, Lucas and
Spielberg being great Barks fans. Mix some Barks together with some pre-duck
Rosa and put in to another location you'll get the first Indiana story.

ALL:
BTW: This topic about nazi gold is an actual theme in reality right now. If
you're reading the news you hear about Switzerland and the gold the nazis
perhaps had deposited in switzerland. - The nazi gold hoard - a never ending
story?

JAKOB:
Because you're e-mail-adress looked a bit damaged, I post my question here
in the list:
Is there a possibility to get a copy of this video? Please contact me by
private mail. - Thanks.

The Spirit Jam Story published in Spirit Magazine #30. I don't know the
exact year, but it had been published in Germany in Feb. 1983. So it had
been before.