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Harry Fluks
Per, Jonathan:
> Surely not being born doesn't stop a person like Oscar Wilde.

Ole Reichstein put a comment [plot:Oscar Wilde] to an Italian story in his
Danish index. So my database program thinks it's a plotter of a Disney story.
Maybe we better change this to [after an original story by Oscar Wilde], and
leave the "plot" and other creator fields for people who worked for Disney.

> Taking a look at the index pages for those two I find that they are
> empty however, as all stories involved are "unsolved" in the database.

That's probably because the Fossati index was included, and some story
codes may have changed because of that. I'll try to fix that before the next
release.

--Harry.
Harry Fluks
Harald:
> "Taler", BTW is the historical source for - tataa - Dollar...

Yeah. Wasn't it the place Joachimst(h)al that named the Taler?
(Joachim is also a Scandinavian name for $crooge!)
(And the Italian equivalent, Gioacchino, is shortened to Keno, the first name
of one of our list members - it all fits together...)

> Pleass would someone explain, what it is exactly that Don puts on page
> 1 of his comics - a D.U.C.K.? Does this mean ... in letters?

In case I'm the first one to answer this: yes, it's in letters. In the early stories
on plain visible places (signs, comics, etc.). In his recent stories the letters are
hidden in the art. Most of the time, the 'K' is the easiest to find; then D.U.C. are
in front of it.
Don also always includes the dots (always D.U.C.K., not DUCK), which is another
help in finding the letters.

--Harry.
Harry Fluks
GARY wrote:
> This might change if our Pennywise books prove successful

Pennywise books? What's that? A new Gladstone project? With contents like
in the old Digests? I'd like to know more about this!

SVEN:
> Sorry to all the others, but I couldn't reach Ole
> under his private email address

Neither did I. I'm glad to hear I'm not the only one. I hope the problem
will be solved soon. (Hi, Ole!)

> Thanks for the information on where to send my Super-Duck
> index. [..] I have not
> written down the story code numbers yet.

We do have a German index of the pocket books (thanks to Gilbert Roser).
I'll send you a "Paperinik" extract in private mail. That may save you some
typework.

--Harry.
Fabrizio
Jacob:

The (awful) Gyro story you wrote about (I-2088) is by Caterina Mognato
(text) and Danilo Barozzi (drawings).
Although Barozzi is minor Disney artist, it is too bad that Caterina is
to blame for it, as she is also the writer of some nice and "peculiar"
stories such as those of the "Re Paperon" saga.
It is a weird fantasy sword-and-sorcery trilogy each chapter of the
which is really long, and in which a lot of Disney popular characters
act :, Mickey, Goofy, Donald, Scrooge etc., but also others such as
Jubal, Brigitta, Ludvig Von Drake (yes, he is definitely a minor
character here !), and even a strange story-teller that I cannot
remember where he come from (maybe from a Disney movie, such as "Robin
Hood" ?).
The art was by Giuseppe Dalla Santa, a Romano Scarpa clone, one of the
newest and most interesting products of the so-called "Disney Academy".
This kind of stories, although totally different from the Barks-style
stories, has always had a good popularity here (since "Mickey's Inferno"
and all the classic "Disney Parodies" on).

Arthur / Harry:

The reason why in the Italian comics the "$" sign is kept, is that they
do not pretend the action takes place in Italy (actually they did so in
a few very old stories); Duckburg is in America, therefore the local
currency is the US Dollar, very simple !
Do they pretend that Scrooge and the Ducks live in Germany, or in
Holland, in the other European comics ? This would sound really strange
to me, and I wonder how, you all strictly-orthodox Barks fans, can
accept it !

Don Rosa:

Here is my little contribution to your landmark collection:

-autodrome wdcs 166, 7/1954
-zoo wdcs wdcs 175, 4/1955
-hospital appearing in a scene of the first version of the same story,
which was then replaced by the zoo sequence.

Fabrizio
Jaki Ellenby
Hi !

GEIR, CHRISTER and ERIK:

Many thanks for your help regarding my question about the Norwegian Donaldist
club. Sorry for answering you so late and not personally, but I had no time at
all to take care of my e-mail those last few days (ie. ARTHUR and JAKOB, I
haven't forgotten you, but I am really too much in a hurry, I will write soon).

DWIGHT:

I read in one of the latest digest your explaination about "canard" (duck in
French), which you said also meant a hoaxe. The truth is that you mistook
"canard" and "canulard". "Canard" however, in slang also means a newspaper of
that's of any interest to you, but I doubt it :-)

Didier Ghez
Augie De Blieck Jr.
Yup, I'mnow about two weeks behind on reading my Disney digests, so pardon my
absence.

The new PREBVIEWS came out yesterday with Gladstone' solicitations for December
1996. It's not on a page opposite a page filled with half-naked women for a
change.

David's "Two in One" story is finally solicited.

But the one thing which sent me into a screaming rage of fury the likes of
which you've never seen before: (Excuse me if this is old news for all of
you..)

WDC&S is now $6.95 monthly.

If it weren't for Don's stories I'd drop it like a stone. In fact, I'm
seriously thinking of dropping it on principle. I'm already paying $8.95 twice
a month for the Uncle $crooge Adventures albums. That's over my budget. Now
they want to charge me $7 for WDC&S? If there were one complete Don Rosa story
in it, I would gladly do so. But this three-part madness is really making me
angry. I realize I may never see the stories Don produces for years until they
get reprinted in an affordable form all at one, but I have to draw the line
somewhere.

-Augie, details to follow in the next couple of days
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Augie De Blieck Jr. * (Email removed) * (Email removed)
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Fredrik Ekman
Wilmer wrote:
> Incidentally, when I type the ASCII character for a dollar sign on
> my good old American (i.e., made in Japan) computer keyboard here
> in the USA, does it in fact cause a real dollar sign to be printed
> on your computer screens over there in Europe, or does the symbol
> for your local currency show up instead?

Here in Sweden we normally receive a very real $ sign, but some older mail
programs may replace it with the international currency symbol ( ).

/F
Harald Havas
ARTHUR
>> "That's Donald"-sticker-Album by Panini.
>I've also seen it in the stores in Holland! I have a Panini-album
>called "Donald Story" (1991) and for that album, there were lots
>of stickers with even panels from Barks-stories. Isn't that the
>case with "That's Donald"?

Nope

>from' being an English preposition.

ACH! Ist that so? Ein preposition - ist that not der kind of word one
schould nefer end a Englisch sentence with?
(Never mind and thanks for the info, pal!)

HARRY
>(And the Italian equivalent, Gioacchino, is shortened to Keno, the
>first name of one of our list members - it all fits together...)

Gioacchino Rosa? Sounds a lot like Giacchomo Rossini - maybe we
should better file Don under "Italian artists"? (On the other hand -
he _looks_ more the Scandinavian kind...)

CHARACTER SHEETS
"Micky Maus" 40/96 features "Trudi", Pegleg Pete's grilfriend (Aries
BTW) and $crooge McDuck himself. And, surprisingly enough, the authors
took an awful lot of Rosa's history for the character as a source
(parents, siblings...) and list as his "forgotten heart's desire"
taking a money-bath with Glittering Goldie...

--- (Harald Havas) (Email removed)
Marco Barlotti
I've checked out issue #2088 of "Topolino" (as all of you know, the code I-n
means that the story has first appeared in issue #n of "Topolino"... well,
it's not ALWAYS so but I couldn't give more than two counterexamples... and
possibly I wouldn't even remember those two!).
Well, can you believe this: issue #2088 is not at its place in my library,
and I can't right now figure where it has ended up. But I'm intrigued by
this "family of Gyro" affair. So might I have some more codes? Or more
details on the story?
Gyro doesn't have a family, as far as I know, but for his nephew (Newton?)
who is slightly older than HDL and lives in a college a little out of Duckburg.

Marco
Fredrik Ekman
Hola, amigos!

I have now returned from my trip to Spain and as I promised a few weeks
ago I have done some investigation into the Spanish Disney comics market.

I visited only the Valencia region and since I was there for only a week
and had other things to do besides, I may not have seen everything there
is to see.

It would seem, however, that there is a reason why there are no Spanish
members on this mailing list. Disney comics quite simply are not very
popular. It actually required a rather thorough search before I found any
at all.

So far as I can judge, there are no longer any Spanish Disney comic books.
What I did find was an album series which seems to be titled "Ole!
Disney".

Each issue of Ole! Disney has a theme and it would appear that the theme
of every second issue is from the Disney movies (the most recent issue
containing a comic adaption of Hunchback of Notre Dame). The issues in
between have one of the "normal" comic book characters as its theme. Note
that this is just a guess based on the four or five issues of Ole! Disney
I saw while I was there.

The albums are very nice with good printing and paper quality. "Original"
titles are always given, but sometimes these are from the language the
comics were translated from, rather than the true original. I have seen
D-, I- and F-coded stories as well as some from Marvel, all of recent
production. The cover price is ESP 395.

The address of the publisher follows (with some reservations, the address
in the ambums looks a little funny):

Ediciones B
Bailen, 84
08009 Barcelona
SPAIN

/Fredrik
Deckerd
On Sep 26, 6:22am, Jaki Ellenby wrote:
> Subject: From Didier

> DWIGHT:
>
> I read in one of the latest digest your explaination about "canard"
(duck in
> French), which you said also meant a hoaxe. The truth is that you
mistook
> "canard" and "canulard". "Canard" however, in slang also means a
newspaper of
> that's of any interest to you, but I doubt it :-)
>
I must be nuts to argue with a Frenchguy about this...this
is definitely something I should leave to the experts. But...

The word "canard" has entered English, where it means "a false,
or unfounded report or story; especially a fabricated report
(as by a newspaper)." (Unabridged Merriam-Webster Dictionary)
It comes from the expression "vendre des canards a moitie,"
meaning to cheat or deceive (literally, to half-sell ducks).

According to my copy of Larousse's French-English dictionary,
the word "canular" does mean hoax. However, the definition
for the word "canard" states: "duck; drake; hoax; false news;
sensationalist newspaper."

Having looked it up, I can see that I was mistaken in thinking
"canard" in English had nothing to do with phony newspaper
stories. However, if I am mistaken about "canard" in French
meaning a hoax, so is M. Larousse.

Regretfully,

--Dwight Decker
Markoff
HARRY:
Maybe you should leave comments like [plot:Oscar Wilde] and [plot:William
Shakespeare] in. It's quite amusing! Actually, Wilde is already an
established comic author, since his short story anthologies "The Happy
Prince" and "A House of Pomegranates" have been "illustrated" by P. Craig
Russell as "Fairy Tales of Oscar Wilde." I suspect a similar series has
probably been made of Shakespeare's stuff at some point.

BTW, the S-code Goofy story "The Mysterious Stranger" that appeared in WD
Giant 4, would be in that case [plot:H. G. Wells].
Dave Rawson
Harald Havas <(Email removed)>:
HH> BTW: did any of you ever read Dave Sim's "Bill of Rights"`? In this
HH> the writer/artist/editor/publisher of "Cerebus" states that anybody
HH> who does anything in the comics-field for any company should get not
HH> only full credits but also full rights over what he created.

This is essentially the law (see below) which IS in effect. I've been
told that while the United States is one of the signatories, they have
engineered (or contend that they have) exclusions. Note particularly,
"the author shall have the right to claim authorship of the work"
clause.

=====quote=====
BERNE CONVENTION FOR THE PROTECTION OF
LITERARY AND ARTISTIC WORKS (Paris Text 1971)

Article 6bis

(1) Independently of the author's economic rights, and even after the
transfer of the said rights, the author shall have the right to claim
authorship of the work and to object to any distortion, mutilation or
other modification of, or other derogatory action in relation to, the
said work, which would be prejudicial to his honor or reputation.
=====end quote=====

A phenomenal web resource is HIEROS GAMOS - THE COMPREHENSIVE LEGAL
SITE. They cover International INTELLECTUAL PROPERTY LAW at
http://www.hg.org/intell.html and the full hypertext of the BERNE TREATY
is available through them from the Cornell Law School at
http://www.law.cornell.edu/treaties/berne/overview.html

By the way, I like the idea of applauding those who CREDIT creators.

--
riverrun past Eve's and Adam's from swerve of shore to bend of bay

http://users.aol.com/dcrawson/home.htm
Eric Chun
From: (Email removed) (Danny Coenen)
> Gladstone's e-mail address is (Email removed) Surprise, that's of
> course Gary's address, too.

DANNY:
I think bhc stands for "Bruce Hamilton Company". (Bruce Hamilton owns
Gladstone, where, of course, Gary works.)

DON/MICHAEL:
According to the answering machine message at the Cartoon Art Museum
in San Francisco, the "Life and Times of Scrooge McDuck" exhibit start-
ed on Sept. 18. It should be there when you arrive on Friday.

See ya l8r.

Eric
Joachim Butz
Well, I am not up to date with my Digests,, because I couldn't read all of
the last 10. So it could be this contribution is a litle bit out of order.
Nevertheless I'll do my contribution to the LvD discussion.

LvD had been a wellknown Disney character in the 70s (and perhaps later). I
remember there had been a lot of stories showing LvD here in Germany. But
for me it was not a favorite. For as a fan of Barks or Murry stories this
LvD stories had been something very different. For me it doesn't suit into
the world Barks (Murry and perhaps a few other) created. And it had been one
of the reasons I canncelled my subscription of the Disney weekly in the 70s
and loosing interest for Disney comics changing when fortunately getting a
copy of legendary U$ 219.
For me it would be a shock seeing LvD in a Rosa story.
So this is *my* humble opinion and I will see whats becoming of LvD in
Rosa's world.

HARALD, ARTHUR:
So it seems you don't use the excellent informations collected and available
on this wonderful internet server located at university of Upsala / Sweden
maintained by our well known Per. (perhaps you remember that htere is a
little more there as only this ML? :-)).
If you try

http://WWW.Update.UU.SE:80/~starback/disney-comics/creators/DR.html

you will get some information on Don Rosa and his work including D.U.C.K..
If you read the chapter about the cover for DDA 23 then you'll see that
Arthur is a little bit out of time.
Today D.U.C.K. means
"Dedicated to Unca Carl's work from Keno"
instead of
"Dedicated to Unca Carl from Keno".
Hah!!

HARRY:
> Wasn't it the place Joachimst(h)al that named the Taler?
No. T(h)al is the German word for valley (sometimes glen as well). It hadn't
anything to do with money.

$cro.. eh, Gioacch.. ups, no, still only Joachim
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