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On Sep 28, 10:44pm, Harry Fluks wrote:
> Subject: Of Dutch comics and customs and currency

> Fabrizio:
> > Do they pretend that Scrooge and the Ducks live in []
> > Holland, in the other European comics ?
>
> In Holland, they seldom are explicitly saying where the Ducks live.
In most
> cases, it's in the neighbourhood (in places like Hamsterdam, if not
in "Duckstad").
> In Don's Life of $crooge stories, they didn't try to change anything:
$crooge is
> living in the USA (but the state of Calisota is not mentioned).
> Even in most of the Dutch-made stories, the Ducks can have a short
ride to go
> to a desert, while they have to take a plane to go to any European
place. But that's
> all implicit, never in the texts.

All I can say, is that early on in my career with Gladstone,
I translated a Dutch story in which Donald had to go to Paris,
and the story clearly had him driving his car there from
Duckburg. Byron Erickson was editor at the time (if he's lurking
out there, he'll doubtless smile at the memory) and had to cover
the point by rewriting the dialogue so Donald flew to Paris and
rented a car (that just happened a resemble good ol' 313). If
you're a Dutch comics writer living in Amsterdam, driving to
Paris might seem like the most natural thing in the world, but
it's a little hard to do if you live in the USA. (Insert joke
here about flooding the car's engine.)

--Dwight Decker

> Our European friends who collect the things must have whole rooms
>full of the weeklies after a few years.

Actually, I buy a variety of comics each week (ranging from Uncle Scrooge to
Cherry) and I store them all in a modified wine cellar, located underneath a
mountain, with a security system based on Jack Benny's (complete with Civil
War veteran). The most difficult part was finding environmental suits for
the Argon atmosphere inside the vault (another security device). Once a
year, I charter a freight train to transfer the year's acquisitions to the
vault.

Graphic novels and books are kept at home for ready reference. If I need to
access an actual comic book, I simply call up the issue and page number(s) on
my optical storage system (indexed laserdiscs).

And yes, every so often, I spread out my old Gold Keys on the floor and roll
around naked.

Torsten Adair (Email removed) Washington, DC, USA
(blueprints available upon request)

Just a little something around $crooge. In Norway his name is Skrue. As our
money is called "kroner", shortened to Kr., his name is spelled "SKrue every now and then. Anything simular to this in other
contries except USA and Norway?

Erik Horthe

Jonathan:
> "The Gilded Man"--the state of Calisota is mentioned for the first time.

It's not mentioned in Holland. In this story, they used a lot of fake names
like Hamsterdam, in stead of real USA locations.

> "The Flying Dutchman"--this story would be hardest to translate in Holland,
> since an important plot factor revolves around the (English-speaking) Ducks'
> confusion over a Dutch phrase.

In the Dutch version, the "Dutch" is "Ancient Dutch" from the 17th century or earlier.
The spelling was different from today's Dutch. The old name "De Flyghende Hollander"
is in modern spelling "De Vliegende Hollander". BTW: Barks spelled it the German
way: "Fliegende"...
In the Dutch traslation, Scrooge doesn't say he sold wind to the wind millers
along the Zuyder Zee. He says he read old books so he manages to read the old
spelling.

> BTW, I've thought of another annoying alteration that far too many editors
> of reprints seem to think necessary: changing dates.

We're used to that. The 1916 (?) quarter from the "Atlantis" story became a 1954
quarter (because 1916 quarters were not common enough in 1975, when the
story was first printed). In the "Heirloom Watch", today is 1982. The story was
reprinted in an album one year later, and they changed the year again to 1983.

--Harry.

DONALD DUCK #301

"The Smugsnorkle Squatty" by Carl Barks (WDC&S #70)
"Self Made Hero" : Donald spins a tal-tale about his exploits in the North
Woods
And more Al Taliaferro strips

$1.50

UNCLE $CROOGE ADVENTURES #44
(The all David Gerstein issue! =)

"Two in One" by Gerstein and Branca
"The Sheepish Rancher" by Gerstein and Vicar

$1.50

UNCLE $CROOGE ADVENTURES IN COLOR

#15 "The Second Richest Duck" and "Right of Way"
#16 "Back to Long Ago" and another back-up story (title not given)

$8.95 each

WDC&S #609

"Tube Stakes" by WVH
"The Once and Future Duck (Part 3/3)" by Don Rosa
"Pluto and the Dog Catcher" by Floyd Gottfredson (comic strips)
"The Mighty Trapper" by Carl Barks
"Three Little Aliens" Li'l Bad Wolf vs. Aliens (from Denmark)
"The Biggest Sleep" by Esteban (a Mickey Mouse tale)

$6.95 (!!!)

-Augie

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Hi!

JONATHAN MARKOFF:
> How are the following Barks stories translated in Europe?
Well, I've checked those stories, and they are just translated as if Duck-
burg were in America. In WDC&S 202, for instance, it is said that the Ducks
travel several hundreds of kilometers to arrive in Kakimaw and in "The 7
Cities of Cibola", the Ducks travel by car to Arizona and it is said that
it is just a long trip.

ALL:
Talking about Michael Jackson, I've been to his World History Tour in
Amsterdam last night and it was the most spectacular show with the most
stunning special effects I've EVER seen! If he's performing with this show
in a county near you, you just HAVE to go!

TORSTEN ADAIR:
Are you storing your comics like that?!? How old fashioned!!! In my
opinion today's security systems are not good enough for my valuable comics.
That's why I have moved my collection with a time-module to the 24th century,
where they are stored on the fifth planet of the Hoth-solar system (it is a
top secret place, so I won't tell you the exact space time co-ordinates!).
People are very cheap to hire in those days, so I have engaged 183 security
guys guarding the vault. No big deal at all! It's kind of hard to check comics
for references, so that's why I have bought second copies of all issues, which
I keep in my house, here on earth. So yes ... I have rooms full of weeklies
after all those years!

Bye!

Arthur de Wolf -- Roosendaal, the Netherlands
email: (Email removed)
homepage: www.pi.net/~wolfman/disney

>
>MARCO:
>>Gyro doesn't have a family, as far as I know, but for his nephew (Newton?)
>>who is slightly older than HDL and lives in a college a little out of
Duckburg.
>
>Surely you haven't forgotten Barks' Ratchet Gearloose and Rosa's Fulton
>Gearloose!
>

Of course I haven't! But I supposed they've passed over by now (1957),
haven't they?

>From: (Email removed) (John Anthony Kazos Jr.)
>Are there any Rescue Ranger fans out there? Comics, television, etc. all count.
>

I wonder whether really they all count. This is a Disney COMIC ML, isn't it?
I, for one, am a compulsed RR TV fan (that meaning that my younger son
spends a couple of hours every other day on TV looking at his RR tapes, so
whenever I happen to be in the same room I HAVE to give them a look. I
almost know by heart the trailer by now :-(.)
But I couldn't discuss RR comics 'cause I never saw one!

>
>Steep?! Good grief, it's a weekly comic!
>

which rings a bell in my mind. Is "good grief" regularly used in the US&A? I
always thought it was invented by Charlie Brown...
(My previous comment was Disney but not comics, this is not Disney but is
comics, so by and large I'm all right, huh?)

>Speaking of translations, William Van Horn has created two recurring
>characters--Rumpus McFowl and Baron Itzy Bitzy.(...)
>Does anyone know any European names of these characters?

I am 99.9% sure these never appeared in Italy (not unlike most of Van Horn's
and Jippes' stories). So of course they don't have an italian name.

>
>In the Dutch traslation, Scrooge doesn't say he sold wind to the wind millers
>along the Zuyder Zee. He says he read old books so he manages to read the old
>spelling.
>

Well, as Fabrizio said, in Italy the ducks have always been thought of as
living in the USA. Some very very early italian stories (1940-1953) have
them living in Italian-looking surroundings, but I wouldn't say they have
ever mentioned the ducks (or the mice, for that) as living in Italy. Some of
their ANCESTORS, yes, they are now and then supposed to be italian... but
there even actually exist celebrated duck artists which are 100% americans
but have an italian grandfather, so why not?
While writing this, one detail hit me as being peculiar: if the ducks and
the mice are all americans, and of course speak English, then why do they
have ITALIAN NAMES?

(of course I know the answer, I just wanted to point out the contradiction...)

Marco

TO MARK:

>The subscription office reply to me, which I posted here a few digests ago,
says a one-year >subscription to the DD Weekly costs f 195/$115. That seems
a quite steep price to me, however, >so are there any other options, such as
a half-year subscription? If not, I feel I should subscribe to >something
from them, so what is the subscription price for the DD Extra, or are there
other comics >worthy of subscribing?

A half-year-subscription to the Dutch Donald Duck Weekly costs exactly half
the amount of the one-year-subscription (how surprising!)
So, instead of fl. 195, it is fl. 97,50, which is approximately $58.

The Donald Duck Extra (13 issues a year with comics by Rosa, Van Horn,
Branca and some other -IMHO: not very interesting- material) costs f 49,40
for USA-readers, which is approximately $29.

I can't think of any other comics that are worth to subscribing: There is a
bi-monthly DuckTales-magazine, but it is not possible to subscribe to this.
And it can be assumed that this magazine will disappear within a few months
(that is: being "replaced" with something new. We're developing a new
formula).

There is a Dutch magazine called "Disneyland" for very little kids from 3 -
6 years old, but it only contains a monthly 2-page Winnie The
Pooh-comicstrip.

TO JONATHAN:

>Speaking of translations, William Van Horn has created two recurring
>characters--Rumpus McFowl and Baron Itzy Bitzy.
>Does anyone know any European names of these characters? (I asked this last
>month, but noone knew then.)

As far as the Dutch are concerned: these stories haven't been published
(yet), so there aren't any Dutch names available. But if we will, what do
you think of "Herry Hoenstra" (literal translation of "rumpus" and "fowl")
and "Baron Ietsie Pietsie" (meaning "just a tiny little bit")?

Any other names?

TO ALL (concerning The Duckburg Map):

I hope this opinion and idea isn't a bit too late. About a year ago we (the
Dutch team) were thinking about a big Duckburg-Map, and after spending quite
some hours and days thinking about this, we thought it wouldn't be a very
wise idea.

A) there are simply too many "geographical references" in Disneycomics. It
would almost be impossible to put all these data in one single map.

B) Every Duckstory has different city-layouts, different Money-bin-locations
and different houses (in which the Ducks live), especially if we want to
base the map on the Barks-stories.

C) People (readers) confront the creators of these maps with new material,
or material of which they think is not implemented in the map.
For example: More than 1 year after our publication of the Duck Family Tree
we still get letters every week (!) from readers who point out that "this
week's Donald Duck-story contains family-information that does not match the
family-tree-descriptions."

Making these kinds of maps, family trees or whatever, means that writers and
drawers loose there freedom somehow. The worst scenario you can think of
is, that within a couple of months, you have to provide all the
Disney-artists worldwide a catalog of the furniture in Donald's house, with
examples of the cuckoo-clock on Donald's wall or the carpet-colors on the
floor. This may sound fun and interesting, but it means some sort of "global
equalization" of Duck-comics. Everything may be on it's place, from Daisy's
dress to Donald's kitchen-table... but will those comics be fun and
interesting?

I'd rather read the old Barks-comics, where everything is different each new
story and alterations in furniture, houses and moneybins are simply made to
suit the story.

Any other editors who share this opinion?

Bye,
Pieter.