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Tarjei Kidd Olsen
Well, today I read the new Eldorado story by Rosa. And what an excellent
story!! I really enjoyed the structure of the script and all the
gags...It's got to be among my favourites. All the historical notes are
fascinating, the scenery is varied and like always there's a *lot* of
action crammed in...All you people in America can really look forward to
this one (especially with Gladstone's superior colouring)! Oh, and some of
you will probably be pleased to hear that Donald is quite capable in this
story from time to time ;-)

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PAULO CEZAR LOPES BARRETO,BARRETO
ETA BETA:

> (iname.com) turned out the best because it
gives me troubles sometimes, while the others ...
gave me troubles all the time... with two of them I wasn't even
able to receive the List's Digests because they were automatically
filtered out as spams...

Pobox.com also filters out notorious spammers, but I never had trouble
getting actual mailing lists through it. Of course, they charge a fee
($15 a year, relatively hefty, especially if you're not much into the
value-added utilities introduced since Pobox -- a pioneer in the
remailing business -- started struggling with competition) but we can
be sure they take every googolplexth of a cent of it in a
responsibility unlikely to be granted by free remailers.

ON-TOPIC!!!!!

Definitely, sometimes older stories *must* be reworded -- or else! I
remember when HDL as Junior Woodchucks are honorably awarded "HIV"
(for Honesty, Integrity and Veracity) patches. Of course, it was the
'70s. Would any JW (or anyone else) proud to wear an "HIV" patch nowadays?

[]s
P.C.Barreto
(Email removed) (not connected to the Pobox corporation, just a
satisfied customer)

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Katie Sullivan
> SHAUN, RE:: Charlie Chaplin and Scrooge

Fascinating! Thanks for the info! I'll have to look for that movie
some time! :-)

RE: Mickey in the lastest WDC&S:
Yes! A story with my favorite animals: llamas! They're so cute! Yay!

(My llama movie poster parodies are available from
http://www.execpc.com/~sulliva1/art.htm )

RE the letter about reprints: I thought it was a bit abruptly worded,
myself.

RE: Don Rosa's "Eye for Detail" in the latest WDC&S:
(*Slight Spoilers*)
Had this ever been published in the U.S. before? I don't remember it.
I liked it, as I do pretty much all of Rosa's work, but it had a
slightly more bizarre feel than some of his other stories. The
expressions were all great, though. I loved Scrooge's constant quizzing
of Donald by waving random nephews under his beak. Hilarious! It took
me a second to understand the gag about the upside-down veeblefetzer,
though. And the donut gag at the end "quacked" me up, too.
(*END Slight Spoilers*)

I did a report for my English class about Queen Victoria yesterday, and
the temptation to mention where Scrooge's cannon and ammunition in his
office came from was almost irrestable. I managed to stick to "actual"
history, though! ;-)
(Once again proving my theory that *everything* I study in school has a
connection to Duck comics! ;-)

Quackcerely,

Katie
Mikko Pohjola
*** SPOILER WARNING: The whole message !!! ***

ABOUT DON ROSA'S ELDORADO STORY:

I wasn't too fond of this story. It had some great bits, but the main
story line didn't provide too much excitement. What danger and action
there was felt more like glued-on than a vital part of the story. And
while I usually like the way Don handles reality and such in his stories,
I think this one had even too much legal mumbo-jumbo and unimportant
history. Also, the story was unbalanced - during the first half the Ducks
just travelled from one place to another and during the second half they
just dug.

The cliffhanger sequence where the Ducks were driving in the mountains was
really something I disliked. It was probably just the awful coloring, but
it was almost difficult to put myself to read it because of it's
appearance. The green truck and all... Yuck! And the ending gag was based
on a ten-year-old Scrooge adventure (The Son of the Sun) which has
probably been read by about five Finns. Luckily I'm one of them, but
nevertheless it seemed a bit forced.

Sometimes the story had some nice Indiana Jones like moments, but on the
whole I actually think it was one of Don's worst. (And again Don is
getting completely differing opinions...)

Mike - The Finnish Trekkie
SRoweCanoe
In a message dated 98-02-11 15:38:42 EST, you write:

<< I wonder if Carl Barks was influenced by this movie at the time he created
Return to the Klondike?? >>

The Gold Rush was released on June 26, 1925 (in a slightly different version
that the one currently circulated). The New York Times listed it as the 4th
best movie of the year. (the Big Parade was #1- and it's good also). And
some film schoalars believe it was the 2nd biggest box office of that year. It
was re-released in the current version in circa 1950. Disney animators
frequently watched Chaplin films, as is documented in various Disney books.
I'm sure that Barks saw this film. Now as to how much it influenced him,
is......... unknown to me,

Steven Rowe - sorry for the double post--
Cebarat
FRANCOIS WILLOT:
<<The French find it both irrational and amazing that American and English
people use inches. It's so complicate. The use of inches is indeed
irrational, but meters are not a "logical" unit either. Why should one
meter be 1/10,000 of the distance between the north pole and the
equator? And why should we use powers of 10? Just because we have 10
fingers? The only rational way would be to use powers of *2*. But
numbers would be very *long*, and calculations a bit more long.>>

It's been argued that a more "rational" base would be base 12, because 12 has
so many proper divisors (2, 3, 4, 6) and therefore fractional calculations in
a duodecimal system would be less complicated than those in base 10. There's
even a group called the Duodecimal Society that (half-humorously) puts out a
regular journal advocating a switch to base 12.
Soeren Krarup Olesen
(Email removed) wrote:

> It's been argued that a more "rational" base would be base 12, becaus=
e 12 has
> so many proper divisors (2, 3, 4, 6) and therefore fractional calcula=
tions in
> a duodecimal system would be less complicated than those in base 10.

I would prefere hexadecimal, with base 16. Why?
That would make me 20 years old next time.

S=F8ren
Soeren Krarup Olesen
Oups! Calculation error: 2 years old is too young.
I think I'll stick to the decimal system.

S=F8ren
Gerstein, David DK - ECN
PAOLO (and everyone):
Tabby in Barks' WDC&S "Joe from Singapore" (parrot) story is
indeed referred to as Tabby in English. ("Tabby -=A0what the Sam Hill
*ails* you?" and later "Something scared Tabby and Bolivar...")
Donald also has a cat named Tabby in the Taliaferro strip circa
1939-1941, although it's inconsistent in appearance (sometimes a black
cat with white face and belly, other times all white).
Hey, come to think of it, Donald has a Neighbor Jones in the
Taliaferro strips of that period, too, although again the appearance is
inconsistent.
I think it's a case of Barks being inspired by what went before,
but going on to invent real *characters* (especially with Mr. Jones, of
course) rather than just carrying on someone else's inconsistencies.

David Gerstein
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Kriton Kyrimis
DWIGHT:

> But could Goscinny do that joke these days?

I'm sure he couldn't, as he's in somewhat reduced circumstances himself.
(He's passed away.)
--
Kriton (e-mail: (Email removed))
(WWW: http://dias.cti.gr/~kyrimis
-----
"Paranoia is just another word for a heightened appreciation of how badly the
universe wants to get you."
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Daniel Van Eijmeren
This is what I found in today's newspaper. Does this mean that also the
Europeans might be going to be heavily controlled before publication? Are
there editors here who can say more on this? In the 1950s a mother
complained to Barks' editor with something similar and we know what
happened after that...

Or will the European editors keep on looking at the succes of the comics
and not bother about some people who obviously have too much time on their
hands by investigating such nonsense? Are there also investigators
counting the *jokes* and the *good moments* in the magazines?

Gosh, this really can get me angry! When will something good be able to
keep on going while not being interferred by people who measure their life
on trying to be so 'politically correct' that the nation would fall asleep
instantly the day they would get their way?

Has this information been published elsewhere in Europe? I'm considering
writing to the newspaper, so any information would be welcome. Are there
any readers here of the Swiss Micky Maus who can comment?

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From the frontpage of today's Dutch newspaper "Algemeen Dagblad":

(original)

Bern - Het aantal misdrijven waarmee Mickey Mouse en Donald Duck in
aanraking komen, is sinds de jaren 50 ernorm gestegen. Aan de andere kant
komt het verschil tussen goed en slecht in de Disney-strips veel
duidelijker naar voren, zegt de Zwitserse hoogleraar strafrecht Karl-
Ludwig Kunz. Hij heeft 43 jaargangen van Micky Maus, de Zwitserse Donald
Duck, nageplozen op sabotages van de Zware jongens of witwaspraktijken
van Oom Dagobert. In de verhalen van Donald is de groei van het geweld
het duidelijkst te zien: in 1952 werd daarin 121 keer een strafbaar feit
gepleegd en in 1995 was dat opgelopen tot 804. In de Mickey-Mouse verhalen
steeg dat van 61 naar 310.

(translation)

Bern - The number of criminal offences with which Mickey Mouse and Donald
Duck come in touch, has increased enormously since the 1950s. On the other
hand the difference between good and bad in Disney comics comes more to
the front, says the Swiss professor criminal law Karl-Ludwig Kunz. He has
investigated 43 years of Micky Maus issues, the Swiss Donald Duck
[reference to our weekly "Donald Duck"], for sabotages by the Beagle Boys
or launder by Uncle Scrooge. In the stories of Donald Duck, the growth of
violence can be seen most clearly: in 1952, 121 times a punishable fact
was committed and in 1995 this has increased tot 804. In the Mickey Mouse
stories it increased from 61 to 310.

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Greetings,

--- Daniel
PAULO CEZAR LOPES BARRETO,BARRETO
Hi everybody...

Brazil's Editora Abril may not be doing very well in Disney business
but at least their earlier work is indeed memorable -- I'm sorry I no
longer have all the comic books I bought for 20-something years.

Now for all Mickey Mouse Club fans... I had an issue of "Edicao
Extra: Clube do Mickey" (not to be confused with "Clube do Mickey"
title, btw, one of the several failures in "editorializing" by Abril),
issued Dec. 1978 as a Mickey Mouse Club (launched mid-'78 here) spinoff.

The comic book featured some info on the TV show itself, listed the
Mouseketeers and five regular standalone stories from several authors,
not made for that issue but scantily related to the five weekday
themes from the show. Those stories were bound together by an IMHO
pointless "blanket" story (probably a W-code, but certainly *not*
Brazilian-made) about Mouseketeers finding Disney movies in an old
mine (or something like it; I can't remember very well). However, the
drawn Mouseketeers were different from the real ones and only one
(Scott) is named in the story.

BTW, all info about '70s Mickey Mouse Club is welcome. I have "The
Mickey Mouse Club Scrapbook" (about the '50s series), but the '70s
stuff is very rare on the WWW -- I just have some JPEGs and the theme
song WAV from probably defunct sites.

[]s
P.C.Barreto (a proud card-holding Brazilian MMC member as lawful
applicant to Abril promotion under full compliance to membership regulations)
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Rich Pegasus
P.C. BARRETO:
> Would any JW (or anyone else) proud to wear an "HIV" patch nowadays?

I don't know if that is really a problem. Perhaps there might be some
folks who might raise an eyebrow over that abbreviation, but I think in
the context of the story it should be fine. If I recall, that story
does indeed explain what HIV stands for. Now if a *plus* or *minus*
sign is added to the HIV then I think there might be a problem. ;-) I
know that in America a major dietary product had to change it's name
from AIDS (i.e. "the AIDS diet plan") to something else because of its
association with the disease which caused a *wasting* problem. In that
context, the company was loosing business as a result, so it made sense
to change its name. However, I could see that the term HIV in the JW
story might indeed change in a future reprints simply because of
America's
oversensitivity and immature attitude toward sexuality. The same reason
America can not handle Scarpa's own Enlish name for Filo Sganga [Jubal
Cock]. I'm not so sure that his English name for Paperetta YE-YE
[Dickie
Duck] would be acceptable either. I know that being named "Richard" I
typically had to deal with folks calling me "Dick" as a child, and
because
it was always used derrogatorily I grew up thinking of it as a *bad*
word
rather than just a nickname for Richard [like *Jim* for James or *Bob*
for Robert]. However, in the case of Disney Comics there is an
additional
level of *sensitivity* that must be reviewed, since the Ducks & Mice are
still primarily considered to be *childrens' comics* and parents get
completely whacked out when they see something they perceive to be
inappropriate for their children to see... Oy! Maybe if the "Red Wasp"
story is ever reprinted, he too will have a new name (The Red Hornet?)
in order to be more Politically Correct?

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Soeren Krarup Olesen
Daniel van Eijmeren wrote:

> Or will the European editors keep on looking at the succes of the com=
ics
> and not bother about some people who obviously have too much time on =
their
> hands by investigating such nonsense? Are there also investigators
> counting the *jokes* and the *good moments* in the magazines?

I only partly agree that it is "nonsense". I would e.g. liketo see a co=
unt of
*words* in issues of the "Jumbobog"
versus time - my theory is that this number has been
decreasing for a long time. Yet, I wouldn't like to spend
years actually doing the counting ;-)

S=F8ren
Fluks, H.W.
Daniel wrote:
>Bern - The number of criminal offences with which Mickey Mouse and Donald
>Duck come in touch, has increased enormously since the 1950s.

This is very natural, when you know that also the number of
*stories* has increased enourmously since the 1950s!

--Harry.
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