Hi, David
congratulations for your really nice job, about yuor Fethry Index. I'm sure that some
more story with the "blonde hair Fethry" exists, indeed.
> As an afterthought, I'll mention again that while Hubbard appears to
> have done the first and third Moe appearances, the second one isn't
> noted above; that's because that story (X 4099, "Ditch Day") isn't drawn
> by him (it's by Pete Alvarado, according to the ddb - anyway, it
> certainly doesn't look like Hubbard).
OK, maybe it's Alvarado, but it'd be strange. Jim Fletcher was starting to do stories
teaming-up with Kinney in that period, and was *he* who went on drawing Hustler or
Magica (with mr. Owlet and Mad Madam Mim). In his first story starring $crooge with
Hustler, he tryed to emulate other artists' style (some panels taken from Barks,
others from Strobl...) and his style was not so recognizable. Maybe he is the artist,
not Alvarado, who didn't work for Overseas market in that period. Indeed, I'd watch
the pages of that story to make an "expertise" about!
Bye!
Luca
Author
Topic: 199802
(347 messages)
Luca Boschi
Fethry index
Message 91 -
1998-02-07 at 01:59:10
Rob Gibson
Sensitive topics
Message 92 -
1998-02-07 at 10:04:43
Having just read the last twenty mailings, I'd like to offer my humble
opinion on several ( occasional barely on topic ) issues.
1)Translations/correct spellings: one of the consequences of
advertising, jet airplanes, CNN, the internet, etc. is that A) words
tend towards being spelled as simply as possible ( dialog is
in...dialogue is out ), B) we are beginning to use many of the same
words. Our cultures and languages are mingling at an accelerating rate.
I expect there will be much less need for translators a hundred years
from now than there is today.
2) Bucky Bug: my older brother LOVES Bucky Bug. So there are Bucky fans
out there.
3)Canadian Comics: Since my father lived for many years in Victoria,BC,
near the Natural History Museum and Totem Park, my first thought of
Canadian comics was "Land of the Totems (FC 263 ). My second was WDCS
142 where DD and the kids are renting a houseboat on Lake Erie, Donald
is listening to a bunch of Polish(?) named baseball players on the radio
(parodies of Harmon Killebrew ?), and he somehow winds up going over
Niagra Falls in a barrel, looking out the knothole ( great wide angle
shot of the Falls ). Then there's US 35( Gold Nugget Boat ), one of my
favorite Uncle Scrooge/Gladstone Gander stories; and US 59 (North of the
Yukon), another classic tale.
There are two pontoon plane stories that I think take place on remote
Canadian lakes, one a three part Mickey Mouse adventure (Mystery of Loon
Lake?) and the other in US 36( "Money bag goat" ).
4.)Canada vs. US: My Canadian relatives view the US with a mixture of
humor and disbelief. They think we're obsessed with being the biggest,
the best, and the first( any Duck come to mind?). And I think they make
some valid points. And, hey, I like Bryan Adams, Peter Jennings, the
MacKenzie brothers, and the Guess Who. And on their money they put
women, animals, trees, lakes and lots of colors(not to mention two
languages) instead of old men and buildings.
5.)religion in comics: There was a Christmas special ( around 1960?)
where the ducks reviewed Christmas customs in many different countries,
including at least one visual or verbal reference to Jesus/the Cross.
I'll try to dig it out.
The Literal/Allegorical Bible Interpretation Debate always brings to my
mind Clarence Darrow's logical deconstruction of William Jennings
Bryan's beliefs during the Scopes "Monkey" Trial, and which was
portrayed so well in the play "Inherit the Wind".
6. Tiering: One reason I loved some of those late forties/early fifties
Barks tales was the "free form" tiering he used( was allowed to use), as
in putting a candle in a little round "frame" in the middle of four
frames, changing frame sizes and angles to fit the action, and liberal
use of splash panels. It made the story jump off the pages, as opposed
to being viewed through a rigid grill pattern. The story "Christmas for
Shacktown" comes to mind.
7.Metric is the way to go. We( in the U S of A) should set a date
certain and on that date everything becomes metric. This WILL happen,
though not soon. Truth, reason and logic ultimately prevail.
8. Didn't Santa Claus(Saint Nick) as we know him today, big fat guy with
a white beard, flying around the world in his sleigh pulled by eight
reindeer, sliding down chimneys to deliver toys to good little boys and
girls, originate in the poem "Twas the Night before Christmas"?
I think it was written by a Brit. I think a lot of our (USA) Christmas
customs originated "over there."
"We don't want your War Machine..." - The Guess Who (American Woman)
opinion on several ( occasional barely on topic ) issues.
1)Translations/correct spellings: one of the consequences of
advertising, jet airplanes, CNN, the internet, etc. is that A) words
tend towards being spelled as simply as possible ( dialog is
in...dialogue is out ), B) we are beginning to use many of the same
words. Our cultures and languages are mingling at an accelerating rate.
I expect there will be much less need for translators a hundred years
from now than there is today.
2) Bucky Bug: my older brother LOVES Bucky Bug. So there are Bucky fans
out there.
3)Canadian Comics: Since my father lived for many years in Victoria,BC,
near the Natural History Museum and Totem Park, my first thought of
Canadian comics was "Land of the Totems (FC 263 ). My second was WDCS
142 where DD and the kids are renting a houseboat on Lake Erie, Donald
is listening to a bunch of Polish(?) named baseball players on the radio
(parodies of Harmon Killebrew ?), and he somehow winds up going over
Niagra Falls in a barrel, looking out the knothole ( great wide angle
shot of the Falls ). Then there's US 35( Gold Nugget Boat ), one of my
favorite Uncle Scrooge/Gladstone Gander stories; and US 59 (North of the
Yukon), another classic tale.
There are two pontoon plane stories that I think take place on remote
Canadian lakes, one a three part Mickey Mouse adventure (Mystery of Loon
Lake?) and the other in US 36( "Money bag goat" ).
4.)Canada vs. US: My Canadian relatives view the US with a mixture of
humor and disbelief. They think we're obsessed with being the biggest,
the best, and the first( any Duck come to mind?). And I think they make
some valid points. And, hey, I like Bryan Adams, Peter Jennings, the
MacKenzie brothers, and the Guess Who. And on their money they put
women, animals, trees, lakes and lots of colors(not to mention two
languages) instead of old men and buildings.
5.)religion in comics: There was a Christmas special ( around 1960?)
where the ducks reviewed Christmas customs in many different countries,
including at least one visual or verbal reference to Jesus/the Cross.
I'll try to dig it out.
The Literal/Allegorical Bible Interpretation Debate always brings to my
mind Clarence Darrow's logical deconstruction of William Jennings
Bryan's beliefs during the Scopes "Monkey" Trial, and which was
portrayed so well in the play "Inherit the Wind".
6. Tiering: One reason I loved some of those late forties/early fifties
Barks tales was the "free form" tiering he used( was allowed to use), as
in putting a candle in a little round "frame" in the middle of four
frames, changing frame sizes and angles to fit the action, and liberal
use of splash panels. It made the story jump off the pages, as opposed
to being viewed through a rigid grill pattern. The story "Christmas for
Shacktown" comes to mind.
7.Metric is the way to go. We( in the U S of A) should set a date
certain and on that date everything becomes metric. This WILL happen,
though not soon. Truth, reason and logic ultimately prevail.
8. Didn't Santa Claus(Saint Nick) as we know him today, big fat guy with
a white beard, flying around the world in his sleigh pulled by eight
reindeer, sliding down chimneys to deliver toys to good little boys and
girls, originate in the poem "Twas the Night before Christmas"?
I think it was written by a Brit. I think a lot of our (USA) Christmas
customs originated "over there."
"We don't want your War Machine..." - The Guess Who (American Woman)
Rob Gibson
Where is Duckburg
Message 93 -
1998-02-07 at 10:32:33
In the really old Donald Duck stories, pre Duckburg, they lived in
Burbank. In "Island in the Sky", a rocket takes off from Duckburg with
a view of the earth behind it, giving the impression ( to me ) that
Duckburg was in the American Southwest. So, ( according to me )it's in
the American Southwest sort of near where Burbank is.
Burbank. In "Island in the Sky", a rocket takes off from Duckburg with
a view of the earth behind it, giving the impression ( to me ) that
Duckburg was in the American Southwest. So, ( according to me )it's in
the American Southwest sort of near where Burbank is.
Francois Willot
Christmas (in February?)
Message 94 -
1998-02-08 at 00:45:27
Dan & Harry (about christian references in Disney comics):
>Interesting, indeed. Even the references to Christmas are only the
>non-Christian ones: Santa Claus, the Xmas tree, eating turkey.
Actually, there are a few explicit references to religion in
Taliaferro's early DD strips:
YD 38-09-10 HDL say their prayers ("bless mama and papa and Unca
Donald")
YD 39-09-18 In the church (Donald finds a trick to keep his money)
YD 38-12-30 In the church again (HDL asking for charity)
These strips seem very odd, but are interesting! (DD and the boys are
WASP?)
Marco:
> By the way, Paulo (real reason why I'm writing this), you haven't told
> us yet about the Fethry-king-of undersea-world subject! Is that too a
> spin-off in $crooge's newspaper?
Do you know that some of these stories were published in Super Picsou?
These are very *funny* brazilian stories, in my opinion. The authors
really had good ideas (and imagination): Fethry as a king (!) of an
aquatic (!) country!
Soeren:
>Who is in control and responsible for the story-codes? And I
>certainly don't just mean the publisher.
>Who is literally writing the story-codes on the panels?
I guess the "creation" departement in each country! (I heard that codes
were first introduced by the Studio Program).
>There must be some kind of license/contracts connected to each
>story code or...?
I think every publisher is free to use codes to index their own
production. Anyway, they're free to use the *rules* they want: Italy's
codes are issue codes (the 1st publication is indicated and is the key),
while France and Denmark have "studio" codes (year+number). The Dutch
also had codes with the character's names (eg H 78/DD/01 = H 78dd01), in
the late 70s.
Francois
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>Interesting, indeed. Even the references to Christmas are only the
>non-Christian ones: Santa Claus, the Xmas tree, eating turkey.
Actually, there are a few explicit references to religion in
Taliaferro's early DD strips:
YD 38-09-10 HDL say their prayers ("bless mama and papa and Unca
Donald")
YD 39-09-18 In the church (Donald finds a trick to keep his money)
YD 38-12-30 In the church again (HDL asking for charity)
These strips seem very odd, but are interesting! (DD and the boys are
WASP?)
Marco:
> By the way, Paulo (real reason why I'm writing this), you haven't told
> us yet about the Fethry-king-of undersea-world subject! Is that too a
> spin-off in $crooge's newspaper?
Do you know that some of these stories were published in Super Picsou?
These are very *funny* brazilian stories, in my opinion. The authors
really had good ideas (and imagination): Fethry as a king (!) of an
aquatic (!) country!
Soeren:
>Who is in control and responsible for the story-codes? And I
>certainly don't just mean the publisher.
>Who is literally writing the story-codes on the panels?
I guess the "creation" departement in each country! (I heard that codes
were first introduced by the Studio Program).
>There must be some kind of license/contracts connected to each
>story code or...?
I think every publisher is free to use codes to index their own
production. Anyway, they're free to use the *rules* they want: Italy's
codes are issue codes (the 1st publication is indicated and is the key),
while France and Denmark have "studio" codes (year+number). The Dutch
also had codes with the character's names (eg H 78/DD/01 = H 78dd01), in
the late 70s.
Francois
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Francois Willot
Promotions
Message 95 -
1998-02-08 at 00:46:24
Dave Rawson:
Sorry for my lateness, Dave... you wrote:
> > The last story you wrote which was published here is D 92281, "US
> > One
> > of a kind", drawn by Rodriques (or Paco Rodriguez). I hope you will
> > not do Duck Tales stories anymore, because I don't like them...
> I'm not sure I understand your allusion to Duck Tales stories.
> This wasn't one. I've never written one. I've barely seen one.
> Perhaps you confused the look of the Mother Mallard character (she
> of the Homemade Marmalade fame) with the matronly character from
> Duck Tales. Perhaps I'd best ask, what did you mean?
I *thought* it was a Duck Tales story. Because $crooge's major-dom
(present in the first and second pages of the story) is drawn exactly
like the major-dom in "Duck Tales". I assume it was not your original
intention?
In the rest of the story however, $crooge is alone.
> ONE OF A KIND is a sentimental favorite of mine because I get to
> explain to the young people the world over what junk bond dealers
> are all about and why destroying real goods and job producing
> companies on the altar of short-term greed is no good for society.
>
> Sorry you didn't like it, but I'm glad to hear it nonetheless. It
> makes your likes more believable!
I'm glad that you took my criticisms that way! (I'm not that much
negative about the story, though. And I don't like Rodriques art!)
Here are some remarks about several stories you did (most of them are
*old* stories, but I have nothing more recent!). Note that the following
is only my personal opinion: the fact that I don't like a few things in
the scripts doens't mean that the entire story is bad.
D 93395 DD Wings
A story with DD and planes! I think that some ideas in the plot are
good: the nephews finding an old plane, the chicken in DD's plane, DD
walking on his plane's wings. I also like the drawing of the explosion
page 10. The expressions of Donald sometimes are great too (eg panel 5,
last page).
D 95026 DD The Best Ever
This one is quite funny, especially the beginning (DD selling shoes -
the nephews trying to guess the presents they'll have for Christmas).
I'm not very fond of Xmas stories, but this one was OK. A detail: it's a
bit odd that we don't see the nephews going in the house between pages 6
and 7. Last remark: the end is quite "conventional" (DD & the nephews
"happy"); I expected a more surprising end! (but I guess it's just that
I don't like Xmas stories - in general).
D 95137 DD Bulldozer Blues
I was a bit disapointed by *this* story. I found that parts of the
scenario are not realistic enough: how comes Donald's machine is so
powerful? It's supposed to be a toy for children. I appreciate the first
part of the story though (DD in the auction for example...).
D 9344 DD The Fraternal Order of C.L.A.M.S.
I re-read that one and I do have a better opinion of it now (it often
happens to me that after a re-reading, I like the story much more!).
Donald is a sort of "Dutch" Donald (Jippes, Milton), who has good
intentions (pages 1 and 2) and is angry against the lorry on the road
(page 3), or the boat contest (page 4); this I like! The dialogues in
the French publication are good; familiar terms are used (eg page 4-1).
The only thing I don't like is in the 10th page, when Donald use
seaweeds for his car (too implausible).
D 92193 DD Tour de Jour
The one I prefer. Drawings (expressions, attitudes) are excellent. The
way DD acts is very funny (it reminds me of a similar story drawn by
Vicar). I suppose that Donald's eyes page 10-3 were supposed to be red?
(these are strangely white in France...).
That's all. I hope my mail doesn't sound too negative!
And while I'm discussing Dave Rawson's stories, I must congratulate
John Lustig for his story "US The Hi-Tech, Low-Down Blues", D 92226.
This is one of the better recent Vicar I ever saw: the dialogues are
good and the end is totally unforseen (the leader of the company is
*not* a human!).
Francois
Sorry for my lateness, Dave... you wrote:
> > The last story you wrote which was published here is D 92281, "US
> > One
> > of a kind", drawn by Rodriques (or Paco Rodriguez). I hope you will
> > not do Duck Tales stories anymore, because I don't like them...
> I'm not sure I understand your allusion to Duck Tales stories.
> This wasn't one. I've never written one. I've barely seen one.
> Perhaps you confused the look of the Mother Mallard character (she
> of the Homemade Marmalade fame) with the matronly character from
> Duck Tales. Perhaps I'd best ask, what did you mean?
I *thought* it was a Duck Tales story. Because $crooge's major-dom
(present in the first and second pages of the story) is drawn exactly
like the major-dom in "Duck Tales". I assume it was not your original
intention?
In the rest of the story however, $crooge is alone.
> ONE OF A KIND is a sentimental favorite of mine because I get to
> explain to the young people the world over what junk bond dealers
> are all about and why destroying real goods and job producing
> companies on the altar of short-term greed is no good for society.
>
> Sorry you didn't like it, but I'm glad to hear it nonetheless. It
> makes your likes more believable!
I'm glad that you took my criticisms that way! (I'm not that much
negative about the story, though. And I don't like Rodriques art!)
Here are some remarks about several stories you did (most of them are
*old* stories, but I have nothing more recent!). Note that the following
is only my personal opinion: the fact that I don't like a few things in
the scripts doens't mean that the entire story is bad.
D 93395 DD Wings
A story with DD and planes! I think that some ideas in the plot are
good: the nephews finding an old plane, the chicken in DD's plane, DD
walking on his plane's wings. I also like the drawing of the explosion
page 10. The expressions of Donald sometimes are great too (eg panel 5,
last page).
D 95026 DD The Best Ever
This one is quite funny, especially the beginning (DD selling shoes -
the nephews trying to guess the presents they'll have for Christmas).
I'm not very fond of Xmas stories, but this one was OK. A detail: it's a
bit odd that we don't see the nephews going in the house between pages 6
and 7. Last remark: the end is quite "conventional" (DD & the nephews
"happy"); I expected a more surprising end! (but I guess it's just that
I don't like Xmas stories - in general).
D 95137 DD Bulldozer Blues
I was a bit disapointed by *this* story. I found that parts of the
scenario are not realistic enough: how comes Donald's machine is so
powerful? It's supposed to be a toy for children. I appreciate the first
part of the story though (DD in the auction for example...).
D 9344 DD The Fraternal Order of C.L.A.M.S.
I re-read that one and I do have a better opinion of it now (it often
happens to me that after a re-reading, I like the story much more!).
Donald is a sort of "Dutch" Donald (Jippes, Milton), who has good
intentions (pages 1 and 2) and is angry against the lorry on the road
(page 3), or the boat contest (page 4); this I like! The dialogues in
the French publication are good; familiar terms are used (eg page 4-1).
The only thing I don't like is in the 10th page, when Donald use
seaweeds for his car (too implausible).
D 92193 DD Tour de Jour
The one I prefer. Drawings (expressions, attitudes) are excellent. The
way DD acts is very funny (it reminds me of a similar story drawn by
Vicar). I suppose that Donald's eyes page 10-3 were supposed to be red?
(these are strangely white in France...).
That's all. I hope my mail doesn't sound too negative!
And while I'm discussing Dave Rawson's stories, I must congratulate
John Lustig for his story "US The Hi-Tech, Low-Down Blues", D 92226.
This is one of the better recent Vicar I ever saw: the dialogues are
good and the end is totally unforseen (the leader of the company is
*not* a human!).
Francois
Luca Boschi
Luca Boschi on Lucca Comics and Tony Strobl
Message 96 -
1998-02-08 at 00:50:35
Hi Harry!
I'm flattered to be included in the title of your contribution to the
Mailing List.
You ask:
>When exactly was that? And did Strobl "use" other inkers besides
>Steere?
Well, I know that Tony Strobl didn't produce stories *directly* for
Western comic books anymore and concetrated his efforts on Overseas
markets' ones. He also made some sunday pages (surely not all inked by
Steve Steere; there were also Larry Mayer and Mike Royer working wits
Strobl) with Donald Duck and Mickey Mouse and some Xmas strips in the
70s.
I cannot say the exact date of this changement in Strobl's work, but
surely, when Strobl starts to draw more Fethry's stories, his work for
Western becomes "slower". If my informations are correct, in 1963 he
stars to work for Overseas stories, and stops in 1987. Then, for two
more years writes stories for them (DuckTales and so on).
Early in 1971 he stopped *totally* to draw stories for Western, and in
1972 also his last covers went on print for them.
>When is the next Lucca Comics convention? (Somewhere in March?)
Yes, the last week-end of March (27-29). The exhibitions shall open the
week before, inaugrated by Will Eisner. Shall be with us Joe, Adam and
Andy Kubert (with a very big personal exhibition of more than 200
original pages), the same Eisner, Charles Vess, tens and tens of artists
and story men (as usual), Conan's artist Simine Bianchi, Silver Surfer's
one Claudio Castellini, Ulrich Schroder from Disney-France, Carsten
Laqua (among the others, to mention people known by the DML
subscribers).
Later, I'll send you more informations about.
Bye!
Luca
><><><><
I'm flattered to be included in the title of your contribution to the
Mailing List.
You ask:
>When exactly was that? And did Strobl "use" other inkers besides
>Steere?
Well, I know that Tony Strobl didn't produce stories *directly* for
Western comic books anymore and concetrated his efforts on Overseas
markets' ones. He also made some sunday pages (surely not all inked by
Steve Steere; there were also Larry Mayer and Mike Royer working wits
Strobl) with Donald Duck and Mickey Mouse and some Xmas strips in the
70s.
I cannot say the exact date of this changement in Strobl's work, but
surely, when Strobl starts to draw more Fethry's stories, his work for
Western becomes "slower". If my informations are correct, in 1963 he
stars to work for Overseas stories, and stops in 1987. Then, for two
more years writes stories for them (DuckTales and so on).
Early in 1971 he stopped *totally* to draw stories for Western, and in
1972 also his last covers went on print for them.
>When is the next Lucca Comics convention? (Somewhere in March?)
Yes, the last week-end of March (27-29). The exhibitions shall open the
week before, inaugrated by Will Eisner. Shall be with us Joe, Adam and
Andy Kubert (with a very big personal exhibition of more than 200
original pages), the same Eisner, Charles Vess, tens and tens of artists
and story men (as usual), Conan's artist Simine Bianchi, Silver Surfer's
one Claudio Castellini, Ulrich Schroder from Disney-France, Carsten
Laqua (among the others, to mention people known by the DML
subscribers).
Later, I'll send you more informations about.
Bye!
Luca
><><><><
Cebarat
Disney comics Digest V98 #47
Message 97 -
1998-02-08 at 02:24:22
TARJEI KIDD OLSEN:
<<Don R. said:
>Hoo-hoo-hoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!
Hmm, has Don gone insane(r)? :) ;-))>>
No, but it sounds as if he's practicing his Fenton Crackshell imitation. Are
we going to get a DUCKTALES story from him? ;-)
-- Christopher E. Barat
(Email removed)
http://members.aol.com/cebarat/home.htm
<<Don R. said:
>Hoo-hoo-hoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!
Hmm, has Don gone insane(r)? :) ;-))>>
No, but it sounds as if he's practicing his Fenton Crackshell imitation. Are
we going to get a DUCKTALES story from him? ;-)
-- Christopher E. Barat
(Email removed)
http://members.aol.com/cebarat/home.htm
Katie Sullivan
Santa Claus and other things really quite off-topic
Message 98 -
1998-02-08 at 03:32:10
> And on their money they {CANADA} put women, animals, trees, lakes and
> lots of colors(not to mention two languages) instead of old men and
> buildings.
We do have rather boring money, don't we? ;-) I like those beavers
much better! Still, Scrooge seems to like it!
> The Literal/Allegorical Bible Interpretation Debate always
> brings to my
> mind Clarence Darrow's logical deconstruction of William Jennings
> Bryan's beliefs during the Scopes "Monkey" Trial, and which was
> portrayed so well in the play "Inherit the Wind".
I studied that in school a few years back. Excellent play and movie.
> 8. Didn't Santa Claus(Saint Nick) as we know him today, big fat guy
> with
> a white beard, flying around the world in his sleigh pulled by eight
> reindeer, sliding down chimneys to deliver toys to good little boys
> and
> girls, originate in the poem "Twas the Night before Christmas"?
Perhaps in part, but it is widely acknowledged (at least in my Advanced
Placement U.S. History class) that the cartoons of Thomas Nast were the
first appearance of the "modern" view of Santa Claus. Nast was also
responsible for many nice historical paintings, (one of which I have
seen in person...Peace in the Union) and he also came up with the donkey
and the elephant for the symbols of America's Democratic and Republican
political parties, respectively.
Which makes me wonder about Scrooge's hallucinations in "Hearts of
Yukon". Was that modern image of Santa widely known or even established
in 1898?
(There! I managed to get something on-topic in here after all!)
Quackcerely,
Katie Sullivan
"I don't suffer from insanity. I enjoy every minute of it!"
> lots of colors(not to mention two languages) instead of old men and
> buildings.
We do have rather boring money, don't we? ;-) I like those beavers
much better! Still, Scrooge seems to like it!
> The Literal/Allegorical Bible Interpretation Debate always
> brings to my
> mind Clarence Darrow's logical deconstruction of William Jennings
> Bryan's beliefs during the Scopes "Monkey" Trial, and which was
> portrayed so well in the play "Inherit the Wind".
I studied that in school a few years back. Excellent play and movie.
> 8. Didn't Santa Claus(Saint Nick) as we know him today, big fat guy
> with
> a white beard, flying around the world in his sleigh pulled by eight
> reindeer, sliding down chimneys to deliver toys to good little boys
> and
> girls, originate in the poem "Twas the Night before Christmas"?
Perhaps in part, but it is widely acknowledged (at least in my Advanced
Placement U.S. History class) that the cartoons of Thomas Nast were the
first appearance of the "modern" view of Santa Claus. Nast was also
responsible for many nice historical paintings, (one of which I have
seen in person...Peace in the Union) and he also came up with the donkey
and the elephant for the symbols of America's Democratic and Republican
political parties, respectively.
Which makes me wonder about Scrooge's hallucinations in "Hearts of
Yukon". Was that modern image of Santa widely known or even established
in 1898?
(There! I managed to get something on-topic in here after all!)
Quackcerely,
Katie Sullivan
"I don't suffer from insanity. I enjoy every minute of it!"
SRoweCanoe
Disney comics Digest V98 #47
Message 99 -
1998-02-08 at 07:23:39
In a message dated 98-02-07 18:55:01 EST, you write:
<< 8. Didn't Santa Claus(Saint Nick) as we know him today, big fat guy with
a white beard, flying around the world in his sleigh pulled by eight
reindeer, sliding down chimneys to deliver toys to good little boys and
girls, originate in the poem "Twas the Night before Christmas"?
I think it was written by a Brit. I think a lot of our (USA) Christmas
customs originated "over there." >>
No, he was a good old us citizen (Clement Moore that is). He believe he
started writing his story while visiting his brother, an Unitarian minister,
in Savanah Georgia. He's from - I think Ohio or Mass(oops, never learned to
spell that state... sorry).
,,,,,, And I was asked, so let me ask. Did Don Rosa drop his lawsuit against
the CB Studio, or is it still winding its way in court...
and <<In the really old Donald Duck stories, pre Duckburg, they lived in
Burbank. In "Island in the Sky", a rocket takes off from Duckburg with
a view of the earth behind it, giving the impression ( to me ) that
Duckburg was in the American Southwest. So, ( according to me )it's in
the American Southwest sort of near where Burbank is.>>
Which is close to where I allways assumed that Duckburg was: the Disney
Studios. You've got oceans and mountains and deserts and subburbs, how
perfect for a well-rounded place setting...
Steven R
<< 8. Didn't Santa Claus(Saint Nick) as we know him today, big fat guy with
a white beard, flying around the world in his sleigh pulled by eight
reindeer, sliding down chimneys to deliver toys to good little boys and
girls, originate in the poem "Twas the Night before Christmas"?
I think it was written by a Brit. I think a lot of our (USA) Christmas
customs originated "over there." >>
No, he was a good old us citizen (Clement Moore that is). He believe he
started writing his story while visiting his brother, an Unitarian minister,
in Savanah Georgia. He's from - I think Ohio or Mass(oops, never learned to
spell that state... sorry).
,,,,,, And I was asked, so let me ask. Did Don Rosa drop his lawsuit against
the CB Studio, or is it still winding its way in court...
and <<In the really old Donald Duck stories, pre Duckburg, they lived in
Burbank. In "Island in the Sky", a rocket takes off from Duckburg with
a view of the earth behind it, giving the impression ( to me ) that
Duckburg was in the American Southwest. So, ( according to me )it's in
the American Southwest sort of near where Burbank is.>>
Which is close to where I allways assumed that Duckburg was: the Disney
Studios. You've got oceans and mountains and deserts and subburbs, how
perfect for a well-rounded place setting...
Steven R
Daniel Van Eijmeren
The Golden Nugget Boat
Message 100 -
1998-02-08 at 17:19:38
In an earlier post I mentioned "The Loony Lunar Gold Rush" (U$ 49) as a
Barks-story in which Scrooge's stories about his earlier life also contain
some bragging. Coincidentally, I found another one this afternoon: "The
Golden Nugget Boat" (U$ 35).
In it, Scrooge appears in a TV-give-away show and what follows is a
scene similar to that of the "Lunar Gold Rush", starting with: "I turned
over half of the state [Alaska] with a shovel in 1898, sir!" Scrooge's
exaggeration must be very obvious, regarding the facial expressions of
both the quizmaster and Donald.
The story also contains an emotional moment. When Scrooge realises finding
gold as an old man isn't as easy as he thought, he says with some tears in
his eyes: "I've got to stop and *rest*, boys! I-I guess I'm not as *tough*
as I used to be! Or as good a prospector! Maybe when I could find *my*
fortune, *anybody* could get rich!"
Interestingly, he says this on a moment when anybody else would most likely
have quit much earlier. On the preciding panels, Scrooge really is exposed
to bad circumstances like heavy weather and mosquitoes. So, Scrooge might
be bragging from time to time, but (at least in this story) he's not that
far from the truth.
For people who rather have facts than opinions (or both), Barks has said
about this story that it's not a great one but he had to find a replacement
for the Aswan Dam U$-story he aborted. (Whatever was made for that story,
all that survived of it are two letters to fans in which he describes parts
of it.)
Greetings,
--- Daniel
"What ho! I think I see my storm-battered cousins on
yonder ridge - if such bedraggled creatures
can be relatives of *mine*!"
Gladstone Gander (U$ 35)
Barks-story in which Scrooge's stories about his earlier life also contain
some bragging. Coincidentally, I found another one this afternoon: "The
Golden Nugget Boat" (U$ 35).
In it, Scrooge appears in a TV-give-away show and what follows is a
scene similar to that of the "Lunar Gold Rush", starting with: "I turned
over half of the state [Alaska] with a shovel in 1898, sir!" Scrooge's
exaggeration must be very obvious, regarding the facial expressions of
both the quizmaster and Donald.
The story also contains an emotional moment. When Scrooge realises finding
gold as an old man isn't as easy as he thought, he says with some tears in
his eyes: "I've got to stop and *rest*, boys! I-I guess I'm not as *tough*
as I used to be! Or as good a prospector! Maybe when I could find *my*
fortune, *anybody* could get rich!"
Interestingly, he says this on a moment when anybody else would most likely
have quit much earlier. On the preciding panels, Scrooge really is exposed
to bad circumstances like heavy weather and mosquitoes. So, Scrooge might
be bragging from time to time, but (at least in this story) he's not that
far from the truth.
For people who rather have facts than opinions (or both), Barks has said
about this story that it's not a great one but he had to find a replacement
for the Aswan Dam U$-story he aborted. (Whatever was made for that story,
all that survived of it are two letters to fans in which he describes parts
of it.)
Greetings,
--- Daniel
"What ho! I think I see my storm-battered cousins on
yonder ridge - if such bedraggled creatures
can be relatives of *mine*!"
Gladstone Gander (U$ 35)
Daniel Van Eijmeren
Reply to Dan Shane
Message 101 -
1998-02-08 at 18:46:31
(This e-mail is not intended to revive a discusion from weeks ago.
The reason why I'm replying it now is that I am two weeks behind
with my e-mail.)
DAN SHANE, 23 JANUARY 1997:
> After re-reading some of Daniel's critiques, I don't detect any
> mean-spiritedness there, only a desire to state his opinion.
Indeed, that exactly was the reason for me.
> It isn't so much what he said as the way he said it (or the way it
> *APPEARED* he said it -- in sometimes cryptic email-ese), and his
> seeming reticence to recant or at least clarify his position of denying
> Don the right to pursue his avocation in the manner Don sees fit.
You won't see me clarify this position (which I haven't or at least
don't intend to have), because my opinion is that Don is as free to
do his stories as he (and the editor) wants as I am free to disagree
with it.
> In any case, I apologize to the 2 of you, and to Daniel as well, for
> making it look like I was taking a battle stance.
Of course also my apologies if my postings looked like being in for a
battle. I was only in for a converstation or a discussion on the matter.
I agree that the harsh tone in my letters made it easy to believe for
some members I was only in for a battle, so my apologies for that too.
However, I do not agree with some private mails which told me that being
critical to Don's work puts his job in danger. Please correct me if I'm
wrong but to me that's plain nonsense, especially regarding the popularity
of Don's work. IMO, the worst that might happen to Don after too much
critiscism would be that his editor tells him to do some things different.
Concerning Don's artistical abilities and the fact that he's more or less
the goose with the golden eggs, persons with bad intentions would have a
very looong way to go if they want to get Don fired. (Again, this is IMO.)
> My real goal was to make the point that losing Don's input on this list
> (something I can still personally enjoy whenever I want) should somehow
> be put right.
I don't know if you say here that Don only did it because of me, but if I
really am the bad guy responsible, why does Don 'punish' the good ones as
well? If my postings caused Don to ignore me, he can still do so as an
active member. I really don't mind about that.
> It would be a very simple thing for Daniel to say he didn't mean harm by
> his postings, and that any future criticisms he might offer be accepted
> merely as suggestions, not demands.
It is indeed a very simple thing to say, because I never tried to make such
"demands". The tone in my letters might have made it look differently, but
even if I would have used the words "you must" (which I didn't), it can
still be a way of speaking for "you might":
When I was helping a friend with some music he was writing, I also often
said "Oh no, not that!" while in fact I meant "I don't agree with this, if
it was up to me I would do it differently." But on such moments, the guy
can see in my face that I'm *begging* instead of demanding, as was the case
with my postings. Unfortunately with e-mail we don't have this luxury.
> If Don does decide not return as a poster, maybe he'll at least agree to
> update the $crooge Page! (Boy, am I going to get in trouble for saying
> that!)
Maybe you can also ask Don if the complete scrapped restaurant Lo$-episode
(script-only) may be scanned and published on the page?
Greetings,
--- Daniel
The reason why I'm replying it now is that I am two weeks behind
with my e-mail.)
DAN SHANE, 23 JANUARY 1997:
> After re-reading some of Daniel's critiques, I don't detect any
> mean-spiritedness there, only a desire to state his opinion.
Indeed, that exactly was the reason for me.
> It isn't so much what he said as the way he said it (or the way it
> *APPEARED* he said it -- in sometimes cryptic email-ese), and his
> seeming reticence to recant or at least clarify his position of denying
> Don the right to pursue his avocation in the manner Don sees fit.
You won't see me clarify this position (which I haven't or at least
don't intend to have), because my opinion is that Don is as free to
do his stories as he (and the editor) wants as I am free to disagree
with it.
> In any case, I apologize to the 2 of you, and to Daniel as well, for
> making it look like I was taking a battle stance.
Of course also my apologies if my postings looked like being in for a
battle. I was only in for a converstation or a discussion on the matter.
I agree that the harsh tone in my letters made it easy to believe for
some members I was only in for a battle, so my apologies for that too.
However, I do not agree with some private mails which told me that being
critical to Don's work puts his job in danger. Please correct me if I'm
wrong but to me that's plain nonsense, especially regarding the popularity
of Don's work. IMO, the worst that might happen to Don after too much
critiscism would be that his editor tells him to do some things different.
Concerning Don's artistical abilities and the fact that he's more or less
the goose with the golden eggs, persons with bad intentions would have a
very looong way to go if they want to get Don fired. (Again, this is IMO.)
> My real goal was to make the point that losing Don's input on this list
> (something I can still personally enjoy whenever I want) should somehow
> be put right.
I don't know if you say here that Don only did it because of me, but if I
really am the bad guy responsible, why does Don 'punish' the good ones as
well? If my postings caused Don to ignore me, he can still do so as an
active member. I really don't mind about that.
> It would be a very simple thing for Daniel to say he didn't mean harm by
> his postings, and that any future criticisms he might offer be accepted
> merely as suggestions, not demands.
It is indeed a very simple thing to say, because I never tried to make such
"demands". The tone in my letters might have made it look differently, but
even if I would have used the words "you must" (which I didn't), it can
still be a way of speaking for "you might":
When I was helping a friend with some music he was writing, I also often
said "Oh no, not that!" while in fact I meant "I don't agree with this, if
it was up to me I would do it differently." But on such moments, the guy
can see in my face that I'm *begging* instead of demanding, as was the case
with my postings. Unfortunately with e-mail we don't have this luxury.
> If Don does decide not return as a poster, maybe he'll at least agree to
> update the $crooge Page! (Boy, am I going to get in trouble for saying
> that!)
Maybe you can also ask Don if the complete scrapped restaurant Lo$-episode
(script-only) may be scanned and published on the page?
Greetings,
--- Daniel
Daniel Van Eijmeren
Peace and war (Christmas (in February?))
Message 102 -
1998-02-08 at 19:18:25
FRANCOIS WILLOT:
> Dan & Harry (about christian references in Disney comics): [...]
> Actually, there are a few explicit references to religion in
> Taliaferro's early DD strips:
There is also a Barks-one in "Volcano Valley" (OS 147), where Donald and
the nephews can be seen praying in Pablo Manana's plane (panel 8.1).
Once someone here wrote a list of Barks-stories referring to World War II.
I don't know if this story was among it, but, as a way of cursing, a nazi-
cross can be seen in panel 18.5. Very odd, because the story was submitted
at the end of 1946 while the nazi's were defeated in 1945. (Or was there a
habit of using that sign this way in comics/cartoons in those years?)
Another reference to World War II is the mentioning of a "war surplus" in
panel 1.3: "The army had *lots* of [planes] during the war!"
Greetings,
--- Daniel
"Of all the crazy deals! Here I pay $ 2,50 for a tiny
model plane, and they sent me a our-engine bomber!"
Donald Duck, OS 147
> Dan & Harry (about christian references in Disney comics): [...]
> Actually, there are a few explicit references to religion in
> Taliaferro's early DD strips:
There is also a Barks-one in "Volcano Valley" (OS 147), where Donald and
the nephews can be seen praying in Pablo Manana's plane (panel 8.1).
Once someone here wrote a list of Barks-stories referring to World War II.
I don't know if this story was among it, but, as a way of cursing, a nazi-
cross can be seen in panel 18.5. Very odd, because the story was submitted
at the end of 1946 while the nazi's were defeated in 1945. (Or was there a
habit of using that sign this way in comics/cartoons in those years?)
Another reference to World War II is the mentioning of a "war surplus" in
panel 1.3: "The army had *lots* of [planes] during the war!"
Greetings,
--- Daniel
"Of all the crazy deals! Here I pay $ 2,50 for a tiny
model plane, and they sent me a our-engine bomber!"
Donald Duck, OS 147
Luna Storta
Replies and a question
Message 103 -
1998-02-08 at 19:34:13
Hello,
ABOUT TABBY THE CAT:
I read in some messages about Fethry first appearance that in
some of his stories there was the first appearance of Tabby the
Cat, well, just few days ago I was re-re-reading Barks' Donald
Duck and the Parrott (WDCS#65 or Zio Paperone #23) and in the
sixth page on the last panel is the VERY first appearance of
Tabby, and in the third panel of the following page Donald calls
him Tabby.
ABOUT UPDATING ORIGINAL DIALOGUES:
Well, what do you think if I force the people painted in the
Michelangelo Cappella Sistina wear jeans? Once something is
completed it fits in the period it was produced, so it's
completely meaningless to change things just because aren't
modern anymore! If someone TODAY paints in Leonardo da Vinci's
way it would be silly, since Leonardo was an artist (a genius?)
in HIS period, so try to imagine a story featuring Mickey in
World War II realased today, it would be meaningless, but not
the same for his stories published in US newspapers durnig the
war!
This lets to something deeper: many american heroes from the
forties or the fifties had a short life, while Mickey (at least
outside USA) is still the most-well known comic-hero. IMHO it
happened because of BILL WALSH and FLOYD GOTTFREDSON who gave
Mickey a personality that changed in the years, they made of
them an ADULT charachter, they made him grow older and let him
live his time (the WW2, the cold war, the atomic age, etc.) then
ROMANO SCARPA continued this tradition putting Mickey in new
situations involving the real-life facts.
ABOUT COPYRIGHT:
Yesterday I read on italian teletext a short new reporting the
beginning of a new problem for Disney: in the year 2003 the
copyright of "Steambot Willie" will expire, and so on all the
rights of the following Disney-realted products, comics
included. Is it the end of our "priceless collections"? ;-) I
can already see many pocket editions of all the Disney Comics
butchered or manipulated by editors...
ABOUT MUSCLES MCGURK:
>Also, this tale, if I'm not mistaken, should mark the American
>debut of the recurring Mickey villian *Muscles McGurk* (whom
>I've heard compared to Donald's *Neighbor Jones*?).
Uhm... at the moment I don't recall at all this charachter (I'm
getting too old...) Who is him? Kreamo Katnera?
ABOUT CANADIAN STORIES:
Well if Shaun is interested in Mickey stories too, there are:
"Mickey Mouse in The Captive Castaways" from Floyd Gottfredson
and Merrill de Maris (Daily stripes from 10-jan-1934 to
17-apr-1934) where Mickey brings help to some guys trapped in
their small town because of the snow ...hey, but isn't it the
same beginning of "Donald Duck and the frozen gold"??? ;-)
"Mickey and The Mystery at Hidden River" from Floyd Gottfredson
and Merrill de Maris (Daily stripes from 6-oct-1941 to
17-jan-1942)
A QUESTION:
Yesterday I bought a book issued some years ago for Eurodisney's
opening, and it's featuring a story from Romano Scarpa, but with
no code at all, the title is "Avventure a Eurodisney", does
someone of you knows something more about it? Has it been
published somewhere else with a code?
Ciao,
- Paolo Castagno
http://fumetti.home.ml.org
______________________________________________________
Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com
ABOUT TABBY THE CAT:
I read in some messages about Fethry first appearance that in
some of his stories there was the first appearance of Tabby the
Cat, well, just few days ago I was re-re-reading Barks' Donald
Duck and the Parrott (WDCS#65 or Zio Paperone #23) and in the
sixth page on the last panel is the VERY first appearance of
Tabby, and in the third panel of the following page Donald calls
him Tabby.
ABOUT UPDATING ORIGINAL DIALOGUES:
Well, what do you think if I force the people painted in the
Michelangelo Cappella Sistina wear jeans? Once something is
completed it fits in the period it was produced, so it's
completely meaningless to change things just because aren't
modern anymore! If someone TODAY paints in Leonardo da Vinci's
way it would be silly, since Leonardo was an artist (a genius?)
in HIS period, so try to imagine a story featuring Mickey in
World War II realased today, it would be meaningless, but not
the same for his stories published in US newspapers durnig the
war!
This lets to something deeper: many american heroes from the
forties or the fifties had a short life, while Mickey (at least
outside USA) is still the most-well known comic-hero. IMHO it
happened because of BILL WALSH and FLOYD GOTTFREDSON who gave
Mickey a personality that changed in the years, they made of
them an ADULT charachter, they made him grow older and let him
live his time (the WW2, the cold war, the atomic age, etc.) then
ROMANO SCARPA continued this tradition putting Mickey in new
situations involving the real-life facts.
ABOUT COPYRIGHT:
Yesterday I read on italian teletext a short new reporting the
beginning of a new problem for Disney: in the year 2003 the
copyright of "Steambot Willie" will expire, and so on all the
rights of the following Disney-realted products, comics
included. Is it the end of our "priceless collections"? ;-) I
can already see many pocket editions of all the Disney Comics
butchered or manipulated by editors...
ABOUT MUSCLES MCGURK:
>Also, this tale, if I'm not mistaken, should mark the American
>debut of the recurring Mickey villian *Muscles McGurk* (whom
>I've heard compared to Donald's *Neighbor Jones*?).
Uhm... at the moment I don't recall at all this charachter (I'm
getting too old...) Who is him? Kreamo Katnera?
ABOUT CANADIAN STORIES:
Well if Shaun is interested in Mickey stories too, there are:
"Mickey Mouse in The Captive Castaways" from Floyd Gottfredson
and Merrill de Maris (Daily stripes from 10-jan-1934 to
17-apr-1934) where Mickey brings help to some guys trapped in
their small town because of the snow ...hey, but isn't it the
same beginning of "Donald Duck and the frozen gold"??? ;-)
"Mickey and The Mystery at Hidden River" from Floyd Gottfredson
and Merrill de Maris (Daily stripes from 6-oct-1941 to
17-jan-1942)
A QUESTION:
Yesterday I bought a book issued some years ago for Eurodisney's
opening, and it's featuring a story from Romano Scarpa, but with
no code at all, the title is "Avventure a Eurodisney", does
someone of you knows something more about it? Has it been
published somewhere else with a code?
Ciao,
- Paolo Castagno
http://fumetti.home.ml.org
______________________________________________________
Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com
Daniel Van Eijmeren
Free webspace / GIF and JPEG
Message 104 -
1998-02-08 at 20:06:32
RICH BELLACERA, 1 FEBRUARY 1998:
> I have now posted Part One of Mickey Mouse in "The Red Wasp Mystery" to
> my webpage. [...] Unfortunately I cannot leave them up very long since
> they are taking up too much space on the server. If anyone else has more
> available server space an would like to post them longer I'd be happy to
> scan them, post them and turn them over to whoever can afford to do so.
You can do it yourself by using the free web-space at "www.fortuncity.com"
(10 Mb) or "www.geocities.com" (2 Mb). Getting this space is just a matter
of minutes and, just like an average webpage, you can place your material
by using FTP. The only minor thing about this web-space is that you can't
use more than one directory and that the server is sometimes too busy, but
that's splitting hairs, given the advantages. (You can not have more than
one subscription, btw.)
One of the reasons why I'm saying this is that I really enjoy those rare
stories you make accesible for some time by putting them on the internet,
but that I've been too late many times to actually get them.
Another subject: If you want to make the file-size smaller, you might want
to try saving the pictures in JPEG-format instead of GIF. My experience is
that GIF only works fine in getting a smaller file-size if there are areas
of exactly the same color (that is, if saved undithered) and with comics
this mostly isn't the case because of the dotted way of printing colors.
However, as the docs of the "Lview Pro" programme say, turning a GIF into
JPEG gives poor results because of the habit of GIF to dither colors (if
that option is turned on, of course). So, scans should be JPEG-ed from the
original source and not from a GIF.
Now, having said this, are there people who can give me advice on
programmes which have the ability to shrink images (height and width)
without the automatic distortion? (Scanners will know what I mean.) Are
there programmes which give the ability to shrink images while keeping
them as sharp and as pristine as possible? For now I use a simple trick
on it, but that means I have to do more effort on a scan and time is
pretty scarce these days (especially when being involved in internet!).
Of course, I could decide about the image's height and width before
scanning, but this is very difficult especially when using pictures
from different sources which must have exactly the same height or width
on the screen.
Off-topic? Ha! If you only knew how much Duck-material you're missing
because of this problem! There are many times I wanted to scan a picture
(using HP Scanjet 5p, for the people familiar with it) and then decided
not to do it, simply because of the shrinking-is-distorting problem and
the extra labor it would take to avoid it.
Greetings,
--- Daniel
http://www.caiw.nl/~dve/barks/index.html
> I have now posted Part One of Mickey Mouse in "The Red Wasp Mystery" to
> my webpage. [...] Unfortunately I cannot leave them up very long since
> they are taking up too much space on the server. If anyone else has more
> available server space an would like to post them longer I'd be happy to
> scan them, post them and turn them over to whoever can afford to do so.
You can do it yourself by using the free web-space at "www.fortuncity.com"
(10 Mb) or "www.geocities.com" (2 Mb). Getting this space is just a matter
of minutes and, just like an average webpage, you can place your material
by using FTP. The only minor thing about this web-space is that you can't
use more than one directory and that the server is sometimes too busy, but
that's splitting hairs, given the advantages. (You can not have more than
one subscription, btw.)
One of the reasons why I'm saying this is that I really enjoy those rare
stories you make accesible for some time by putting them on the internet,
but that I've been too late many times to actually get them.
Another subject: If you want to make the file-size smaller, you might want
to try saving the pictures in JPEG-format instead of GIF. My experience is
that GIF only works fine in getting a smaller file-size if there are areas
of exactly the same color (that is, if saved undithered) and with comics
this mostly isn't the case because of the dotted way of printing colors.
However, as the docs of the "Lview Pro" programme say, turning a GIF into
JPEG gives poor results because of the habit of GIF to dither colors (if
that option is turned on, of course). So, scans should be JPEG-ed from the
original source and not from a GIF.
Now, having said this, are there people who can give me advice on
programmes which have the ability to shrink images (height and width)
without the automatic distortion? (Scanners will know what I mean.) Are
there programmes which give the ability to shrink images while keeping
them as sharp and as pristine as possible? For now I use a simple trick
on it, but that means I have to do more effort on a scan and time is
pretty scarce these days (especially when being involved in internet!).
Of course, I could decide about the image's height and width before
scanning, but this is very difficult especially when using pictures
from different sources which must have exactly the same height or width
on the screen.
Off-topic? Ha! If you only knew how much Duck-material you're missing
because of this problem! There are many times I wanted to scan a picture
(using HP Scanjet 5p, for the people familiar with it) and then decided
not to do it, simply because of the shrinking-is-distorting problem and
the extra labor it would take to avoid it.
Greetings,
--- Daniel
http://www.caiw.nl/~dve/barks/index.html
Stefan Diös
Roger Rabbit in 1975?
Message 105 -
1998-02-08 at 20:52:10
For reasons obscure, I read Western/Gold Key's "Moby Duck" #19 (August,
1975), the other day. To be honest, I didn't expect much, but I found myself
laughing out loud at the second story, "The Magic Mirror". The database has
it written by Mark Evanier, artist unknown.
(Do I have to put in a SPOILER warning to all the Moby Duck fans out there?)
Moby and Dim-Witty are shipping Snow White's Magic Mirror from Disneyland to
Walt Disney World. (So you have to bear with this kind of inside-meta-jokes
to appreciate the story.) One running gag is when Moby asks the mirror if
there are any "more handsomer" people than him. The mirror answers, "Would
you like them in alphabetical order?" and goes on to name all the people in
the world: A.A. Aames, Aaron Aardvark, Abraham Abbott...
This gag continues behind the plot for a few pages, as the mirror reels off
a healthy (?) mix of known Disney characters, make-believe names and
possibly even some real people: "Mickey Mouse, Minnie Mouse, Morty Mouse,
Michael Mulberry, the entire population of Muncie, Indiana, William
Munger..." (Who's he, by the way?) But when it reaches R, it goes, "Roger
Rabbit, Raquel Radcliff..." Never mind Raquel and her possible relation to
the owners of Pongo the Dalmatian, but should we file this Roger Rabbit guy
under "known Disney characters", "make-believe names", or "real people"?
In other words, was Roger Rabbit a known character before the movie, or is
this just a coincidence... perhaps like when the name "Donald Duck" was
mentioned in some children's book before the present Donald Duck character
was conceived?
Now then, how would I translate this gag...?
Stefan Dios
Malmo, Sweden
1975), the other day. To be honest, I didn't expect much, but I found myself
laughing out loud at the second story, "The Magic Mirror". The database has
it written by Mark Evanier, artist unknown.
(Do I have to put in a SPOILER warning to all the Moby Duck fans out there?)
Moby and Dim-Witty are shipping Snow White's Magic Mirror from Disneyland to
Walt Disney World. (So you have to bear with this kind of inside-meta-jokes
to appreciate the story.) One running gag is when Moby asks the mirror if
there are any "more handsomer" people than him. The mirror answers, "Would
you like them in alphabetical order?" and goes on to name all the people in
the world: A.A. Aames, Aaron Aardvark, Abraham Abbott...
This gag continues behind the plot for a few pages, as the mirror reels off
a healthy (?) mix of known Disney characters, make-believe names and
possibly even some real people: "Mickey Mouse, Minnie Mouse, Morty Mouse,
Michael Mulberry, the entire population of Muncie, Indiana, William
Munger..." (Who's he, by the way?) But when it reaches R, it goes, "Roger
Rabbit, Raquel Radcliff..." Never mind Raquel and her possible relation to
the owners of Pongo the Dalmatian, but should we file this Roger Rabbit guy
under "known Disney characters", "make-believe names", or "real people"?
In other words, was Roger Rabbit a known character before the movie, or is
this just a coincidence... perhaps like when the name "Donald Duck" was
mentioned in some children's book before the present Donald Duck character
was conceived?
Now then, how would I translate this gag...?
Stefan Dios
Malmo, Sweden