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HARRY:

> I do not agree that Fethry is the *only*
>on-topic subject these days. Stefan Dio"s and others
>have (or had) an interesting discussion about translating
>or re-scripting Disney comics.
>

Maybe I'm having some Freudian problem with the topic of translations, after
all the scolding I had by Don Rosa last year? ;-)

Marco

Hi, all!

I wrote:

>So, I can say:"Donald's Buzzin' Cousin" WAS, in fact, Fethry's first
>appearance; a story that, for some reasons, someone at Western decided
>not to use for the Overseas market (and used it only some years later
>for the comic books as it was "one-shot" or so).

And MARCOBAR wrote:
>Are you implying that "Donald's Buzzin' Cousin" was never published in
>Italy? But it was, in June 1966 ("Almanacco Topolino ").

I know. And also another Story by Strobl was published in Italy, later.
In an "Almanacco Topolino " where, few pages later also another Fethry's
story was translated. But one was showing him with old look, while the
second (by Kinney-Hubbard) had Fethry drawn in an all different way (not
with his blonde hair). But "Almanacco Topolino " used it not becaouse it
was an "Overseas story". Only because at Mondadori they took it from the
bunch of stories sente them by Western Publishing.

>This is only **two** years after his first appearance on "Topolino".

And few months after the publication in USA. But Maybe the story was
drawn by Strobl **two** years before.
I wish to know what David Gerstein thinks about this theory.
Bye!
Luca Boschi

P.S: I read the Mailing List, and I find the following message by Rich
Bellacera:

>I finally found a copy of DD#106 which you'd mentioned to be one of
>FETHRY's early American appearances [a story which, if I understood
>correctly, you haven't seen]. Well here's some info you might want
>to add to your Fethry Datafile you say you're developing:
>No storycode displayed, but I'm sure you'll know how to find it.
>Series: Donald Duck
>Title: Jungle Journey
>Page Count: 10

Well, hell!, it's the story I was writing about, the one which in Italy
was translated in the "Almanacco Topolino" I was just writing about.

>Fethry's physical appearance is similar to the "Buzzin' Cousin"
>and "Ducky Date" ones, except Fethry is wearing a dark blue
>or dark purple stocking cap and sweater (the sweater has a broad
>white stripe around the center) instead of the yellow ones.
>BTW, Tabby doesn't appear in this tale either

Obviously! Because Tabby is created by Kinney, and this is **not** a
Kinney story. You know, I think, that Strobl, with his inker Steve
Steere, stopped to work for Western's comics and made his pages only for
the Overseas market when he drew the (Kinney's) stories with Don and
Fethry working for $crooge's newspaper, don't you? Tabby and Hard Haid
Moe were in some of them and Fethry's look was similar to Hubbard's one.

Bye, again.

Paolo:
> I remember that classic Donald-tight-rope-king story
> and its wacky finale on the Niagara.

In the first Dutch translation (1974) of that story, they named it the
"Daragaje" falls. Daragaje sounds very much like Niagara (when
pronounced the Dutch way), while it also means "Thereyougo"...

Unfortunately, the reprint (a few years later) named it simply
Niagara again.

--Harry.
><><><><

MERLIN & all:

>Anyway, would anyone like to help me form a list of Duck stories that
>are set in Canada?
>
>BARKS:
>"Back To the Klondike"
>"Land of the Pygmy Indians"

> Add "Donald Duck and the Golden Helmet" FC 408. The Ducks find the
Golden Helmet on the coast of Labrador.

Of course, all Niagara Falls stories are eligible for the list (even
when we just get a short glimpse of Canada across the river).

About the Falls, I remember that classic Donald-tight-rope-king story
and its wacky finale on the Niagara. In the Brazilian translation,
however, DD had to cross the Iguassu Falls (maybe children wouldn't
recognize Niagara Falls), which is a much harder challenge... Of
course, that way, DD was also looking for a big immigration trouble: a
non-Brazilian citizen trying to enter Argentina with no passport
matters involved. :-)

[]s
P.C.Barreto (not affiliated with Iguassu Falls Visitors Bureau)
(Email removed)

On Feb 5, 5:41am, PAULO CEZAR LOPES BARRETO,BARRETO wrote:
> Subject: Translations & retranslations
> Hi everybody...
>
> My $1/50 on the modernized reprint translations: in my humble opinion,
> in Brazil, there's no way to reprint a Barks classic in 1998 with the
> 1950 translation (except for facsimiles, naturally) -- the wording is
> so outdated no reader would take it seriously. In later reprints even
> the sound effects have been retranslated. When compared to the
> originals, Brazilian Disney comics used to be translated very freely
> (circumventing all puns and wordplay with no footnotes) and always a
> step above the real-life language usage, but their overall consistency
> created a "voice" familiar to readers -- enough to make an early '80s
> colloquialism experience short-lived. However, recent Barks reprints
> have received newer, more faithful (but "flatter") translations.
>
Some Barks stories are showing their age in the original English, too, and it's
his later stories that are more dated than the earlier ones. Opinions on this
subject may differ, of course, and I'm speaking only for my own sense of what
sounds right. I'm also away from my collection and can't cite examples. But my
general feeling is that '50s Barks stories are pretty timeless and he had an
inventive flair for dialogue that reads as fresh now as it did then. As you
move into the '60s, he began using then current slang that is now very dated
("dig that kooky jive!") -- and since he was an older, isolated man with a
lifelong hearing problem, I'm not sure he ever actually heard people using such
dialogue in real life but more or less elaborated on things he had seen in
print. Sometimes I think his later stories are a little painful to read now for
that reasons, sometimes I think that even though trying to use up-to-the-minute
slang was a really bad idea, he was at least inventive and playful with it and
his "kooky jive-talk" is not without its charm. Kid-readers don't expect a
comic book about talking ducks to have realistic dialogue torn raw and bleeding
from the mean streets of everyday life -- dialogue that's interesting and funny
and a consistent part of the fantasy world being depicted is more what they
want. I'm not suggesting that Barks be rewritten by any means, of course.

--Dwight Decker

DAVID GERSTEIN:
[AUGIE DeB. wrote]:
>WDC&S #625
>"The Egg Collector" - Mickey Mouse by David Gerstein and Ferioli

I know you once gave me a brief synopsis of this tale and I'm really
glad to see it is finally making it's debut in America!

However, I wonder if this tale has any connection to the early Floyd
Gottfredson tale, "Mr. Slicker and the Egg Robbers"? If so, or even
if not, is this Gottfredson on the list of censored stories since I don't
believe it has ever been reprinted (very sad)?

Also, this tale, if I'm not mistaken, should mark the American debut
of the recurring Mickey villian *Muscles McGurk* (whom I've heard
compared to Donald's *Neighbor Jones*?).

I look forward to reading this issue of WDC&S (too bad I still have
to wait four more months to see it).

-Rich (xephyr)
http://www.jps.net/xephyr/rich/disney.html

A cross-complaint has been filed by Barks' managers in the Hamilton et.al.
vs. Carl Barks, Carl Barks Studio; William Grandey and Kathy Morby, husband
and wife and Becky Hoff

(Civil Action, File No. 97-377-CO)

******THE FOLLOWING WAS AVAILABLE THROUGH PUBLIC RECORDS!*******

United States District Court for the District of Oregon

Cross Claims of Defendants William Grandey and Kathy Morby, individually
and doing business as Carl Barks Studios, against defendant Carl Barks

Defendants William Grandey and Kathy Morby, individually and doing business
as Carl Barks Studios, for their cross-claims against defendant Carl Barks.

1. These defendants incorporate by reference paragraphs 1 and 18 of
Plaintiffs Complaint

FIRST CROSS CLAIM

For a first cross-claim against Defendant Carl Barks, Defendants William
Grandey and Kathy Morby, individually and doing business as Carl Barks
Studios, allege as follows:

2. Defendant Barks orally agreed on or about February 20, 1993 to give
Defendants Grandey and Morby a 1984 Toyota automobile if they would move to
Grants Pass, Oregon, from Seattle, Washington, their place of residence,
sooner than was agreed by the parties pursuant to a written agreement of
February 10,1993. Defendant Barks also agreed to set aside the sum of
$80,000 to be paid to the Defendants Grandey and Morby in exchange for
their early move.

3. In reliance upon the promise of Defendant Barks to give them the Toyota
automobile and set aside the $80,000 deposit, Defendants Morby and Grandey
accelerated their moving efforts and arrived in Grants Pass on or about
March 7, 1993.

4. Despite demand to do so, Defendant Barks has failed and refused to give
Defendants Grandey and Morby the 1984 Toyota automobile and has failed to
adequately demonstrate to Defendants Grandey and Morby that the $80,000
deposit has been made on their behalf.

5. Defendants Grandey and Morby have been damaged thereby in the sum of
$90,000 or such other amount as shall be proven at trial

SECOND CROSS-CLAIM

For a second cross-claim against Defendant Barks, Defendant Grandey and
Morby, individually and doing business as Carl Barks Studios, allege as
follows:

6. Defendant Barks agreed to pay a commission of 30% on sales of artwork
produced by Barks. Defendants Grandey and Morby were the procuring cause
for the sale of many pieces of artwork for which they were paid 30% by
Barks.

Defendant Barks has failed and refused to pay 30% commission of $126,000 on
three pieces of said art and instead has paid only 10% commission equal to
$42,000. Said artworks are as follows "Rich Finds at Inventory Time"-sale
price $200,000; "Surprise Party at Memory Pond"-sale price $70,000; "Mardi
Gras Before the Thaw"-sale price $150,000

8. Defendant Barks has breached his contract with Defendants Grandey and
Morby and they have been damaged thereby in the sum of $84,000

THIRD CROSS-CLAIM

For a third cross-claim against Defendant Barks, Defendant Grandey and
Morby, individually and doing business as Carl Barks Studios, allege as
follows:

9. Defendants Grandey and Morby expended funds for travel expenses to
promote the products of Defendant Barks at his special instance and request

10. Despite demand to do so, Defendant Barks has failed and refused to pay
Defendants Grandey and Morby the sum of $42,035.87 for travel expenses
incurred.

11. Defendant Barks has breached the agreement between him and Defendants
Grandey and Morby to pay said sum and they have been damaged hereby in the
amount of $42,035.87

FOURTH CROSS-CLAIM

For a fourth cross-claim against Defendant Barks, Defendant Grandey and
Morby, individually and doing business as Carl Barks Studios, allege as
follows:

12. Pursuant to an oral agreement between parties, Defendant Barks agreed
to create, support and participate in further projects as set forth in
Exhibit A hereto. Defendants Morby and Grandey have expended time,
materials and capital in furtherance thereof.

13. Defendant Barks has breached the agreement between parties by refusing
to provide any further work in pursuit of said projects.

14. Defendants Morby and Grandey have been damaged by Defendant Barks'
breach in an amount to be proven at trial.

WHEREFORE, Defendants William Grandey and Kathy Morby, individually and
doing business as Carl Barks Studios, pray that judgment be entered in
their favor and against Defendant Carl Barks as follows:

1. In the sum of $90,000 or such other amount as shall be proven at trial
on their first cross-claim

2. For the sum of $84,000 on their second cross-claim

3. For the sum of $42,035.87 on their third cross-claim;

4. In an amount to be proven at trial on their fourth cross-claim

5. For their costs and disbursements incurred herein

6. For such other relief as may be just and equitable

Dated this 5th day of January 1998

EXHIBIT A

PROJECT LIST AS OF NOVEMBER 1997

1. German Lithographs
2. Disneyana 1998 Serigraph, tile, bronze
3. Disneyana 1999 Serigraph, tile, bronze
4. Disneyana 2000 Serigraph, tile, bronze
5. Tile program-Disney Gallery WDW
3-4 tiles per year-first order complete
6. Disneyana Armani figurine
7. Forest Lamps Money Bin scene
8. Bas relief bronze program Scrooge prototype approved
Donald to be introduced late 1998
9. Disney canvas transfer program
First one sold Disneyana 1996
2nd image has been approved
10. Mummy's ring/comic Disney catalogue
11. Watch program
1st one give away at Birthday
2nd one sold at Disneyana 1997
3rd image being approved for release 1-98
4th image being selected for release Summer 98
12 12 drawings-same as birthday drawings 10x13"
Donald/Scrooge/HDL
13. Fine Art of Walt Disney's Donald Duck-trade edition

--------------------------------
End of Disney comics Digest V98 Issue #45
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From: (Email removed) (D Decker)
To: (Email removed)
Subject: Where's Della?
I just read the "Triple Distelfink" story that Don Rosa did to commemorate
Gladstone Gander's 50th anniversary.....
Darn, Don would have to go into lurk mode about now...

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Yeah! Especially after that public-document item that closed the last
Digest I just received.
Hoo-hoo-hoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!