Hi!
> The person I spoke with said that Fleetway currently has two
> disney-related publications: "Disney & Me" and some Pooh thing.
> Does anyone know what these are like?
Here's what I know of the three Disney magazines that are
currently available in Great Britain:
BIG TIME:
Fleetway luanched Big Time in the U.K. in response to positive tests.
Following the positive results from the four test issues of Big Time
magazine in two regions in the U.K., publisher Fleetway conducted
a national launch of the magazine on October 16th of 1996. It was
supported by TV advertising and a targeted public relations and
distribution campaign. Estimated sales for the launch issue were
200000 copies, which would make Big Time the biggest children's
magazine at retail. Big Time is a large format, 'lifestyle' bi-weekly
geared to children aged seven to 11 years. With a bold, attractive
cover, it combines regular editorial features with a comic insert.
DISNEY & ME:
This pre-school magazine appeals to both parents and
pre-schoolers with educational and innovative activities and stories.
It has an average sales of 40000 and consists of 32 pages each
two weeks.
WINNIE THE POOH:
This magazine is for little children. It's called My first Disney magazine.
It's a monthly magazine with stories and puzzles for children. It's
U.K.'s first Nursery Magazine. It contains all-new, locally created
artwork with a gentle approach to first learned through simple stories
and activities. Each issue has a theme which runs through the entire
magazine, highlighting Pooh in various situations. Initial print runs
were 175000 and the cover price of the magazine is 1 pound.
Bye!
Arthur de Wolf
Author
Topic: 199802
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Arthur De Wolf
UK disney comics
Message 196 -
1998-02-14 at 22:06:19
Michael Naiman
Barks sues his managers
Message 197 -
1998-02-15 at 01:10:06
Carl has sued his "managers" for the *abuse of the elderly*, conversion of
funds and breach of fiduciary duty, and has called for a full accounting of
where all of the money has gone! Along with that he has asked for the
severing of all business activity with these people.
Does *anyone* on the Digest have an opinion about this??
The last time there were legal docs filed it seems as the only thing people
cared about was whether Fethry or who-knows-who was properly indexed in the
appropriate charts.
This is Carl we're talking about..a human, living breathing real
person..who has brought us years of pleasure and enjoyment..... not some
four color character who exists on some cheap pulp paper.
*********************************************************************
United States District Court for the District of Oregon
Civil Action, File No. 97-3077-CO
ANSWER OF DEFENDENT CARL BARKS TO CROSS-CLAIMS AND CROSS-CLAIMS OF
DEFENDANT CARL BARKS AGAINST DEFENDANTS WILLIAM GRANDEY AND KATHY MORBY,
INDIVIDUALLY AND DOING BUSINESS AS CARL BARKS STUDIOS.
Defendat Carl Barks ("Barks") answers the cross-claims of co-Defendants
William Grandey ("Grandey") and Kathy Morby ("Morby"), individually and
doing business as Carl Barks Studio, and asserts cross-claims against same
as follows:
ANSWER
1. Denies each and every allegation contained in the cross-claims of
co-Defendants.
FIRST CROSS CLAIM
For his first cross-claim against Grandey and Morby, individually and doing
business as Carl Barks Studio, Barks alleges as follows:
2. The cross-claims of Grandey and Morby are meritless, without any
reasonable basis, and have been brought in bad faith and solely for
oppressive reasons to take advantage of the advanced age and litigation
aversion of Barks. Barks is entitled to recover his attorney's fees herein
pursuant to ORS 20.105(1) and pursuant to the equitable powers of the Court.
SECOND CROSS CLAIM
Breach of Fiduciary Duty
(Damages)
For his second cross-claim against Grandey and Morby, individually and
doing business as Carl Barks Studio, Barks alleges as follows:
3. Barks is 97 years old. In February 1993, at the urging of Grandey
and Morby, Barks and his wife, Margaret, then of advanced age and
increasingly in need of assistance in handling their personal affairs and
physical conditions, placed their trust and confidence in Grandey and Morby
to take responsibility for caring for their personal affairs and physical
needs. A written agreement was entered into which handsomely rewarded
Grandey and Morby for specific duties set out therein and Grandey and Morby
moved into a home owned by Barks near where Barks and his wife were living
and became an important part of their lives.
4. A special relationship was created between Barks and Grandey and
Morby whereby Barks placed his trust and confidence in Grandey and Morby
and they accepted that trust and confidence and assumed responsibility to
act in the best interests of Barks and his wife. Shortly thereafter, Barks'
wife died and Barks became even more dependent upon Grandey and Morby.
5. This special relationship created significant fiduciary duties on
the part of Grandey and Morby to Barks.
6. Over the ensuing years, Grandey and Morby took advantage of this
special relationship with Barks and, among other things, accomplished the
following for themselves:
a. Began using the name Carl Barks in their business name,
Carl Barks Studio, without articulating any terms of agreement for such use
b. Influenced Barks to allow them to use his name, reputation,
and work product and generaly assume substantial control over Barks'
business activities, all without any agreement or clear articulation of the
terms of the same.
c. Engaged in these business activities using Barks' name and
product, traveled extensively, and received substantial income and
possession and control of payments and product belonging to Barks all
without any clear accounting, explanation, approval, or other businesslike
treatment of such activities.
d. Purport to have made commitments for Barks contrary to his
desires and best interests and without full disclosure, explanation or
approval.
e. Withheld accounting and other information from Barks
regarding these activities.
f. Generally took advantage of Barks' age and vulnerability to
further their own interests and not the interests of Barks.
7. Within the last year Barks has become increasingly uneasy about the
activities of Grandey and Morby and has attempted to obtain information,
clarity and control of Grandey and Morby's use of his name, product and
activities. In response to those efforts, Grandey and Morby have become
increasingly hostile and abusive of Barks and ultimately have made
outrageous claims against him for substantial funds beyond any amounts to
which they are entitled. In addition, they have converted to their own
possession specific identifiable funds belonging to Barks in the amount of
approximately Eighty Thousand Dollars ($80,000) which is being held by them
in an unknown account.
8. Such conduct by Grandey and Morby constitutes a gross and excessive
breah of their fiduciary duties to BArks, damaging him in the amount of
approximately Eighty Thousand Dollars ($80,000), together with such
additional economic damage as may be revealed by an accounting for their
activities sice they began doing business using Barks' name, reputation and
product.
9. These breaches have also caused Barks extreme emotional distress in
his advanced years as Grandey and Morby have created tremendous unease and
insecurity as to his financial well-being and ability to live in peace,
security and control, have written at least one unauthorized and abusive
letter to a friend and associate of Barks and have cause dhim concern for
his physical health and well-being, all to Barks' damage in the amount of
Five Hundred Thousand Dollars ($500,000).
10. The conduct of Grandey and Morbey has been excessive and
despicable, taking advantage of an elderly person by maintaining confusion,
misinformation and vagueness as their weapons and attempting to bully him
into activities solely with their own interests in mind, all under
circumstances that are sufficiently egregious to warrent imposition of
punitive damages in the amount of Five Hundred Thousand Dollars ($500,000)).
THIRD CROSS CLAIM
Breach of Fiduciary Duty
(Accounting and Injunction)
For his third cross-complaint against Grandey and Morby, individually and
doing business as Carl Barks Studio, Barks alleges as follows:
11. realleges the allegations found in Paragraphs 3 through 10 above
12. The dealings that Grandey and Morby have engaged in have been
extensive and complex. Barks has periodically requested information and an
accounting related to these activities, which has been consistently refused
and withheld.
13. Barks is therefore entitled to a full and complete accounting of
all books and records of Grandey and Morby relating to their activities as
Carl Barks Studio and in any other capaciyty involving Barks or his work or
name.
14. In addition, Barks desires and is entitled to a permanent
injunction and such preliminary injunction as may be appropriate to enjoin
any further use of his name, receipt of property or payments for or on his
behalf or in connection with his name or product, the withholding of
property or monies belonging to him, and generally any further business or
activity using his name or product in any way for or in connection with
Barks,all so as to accomplish a full and complete termination of any
further relationship between the parties.
FOURTH CROSS CLAIM
Conversion
For his fourth cross-complaint against Grandey and Morby, individually and
doing business as Carl Barks Studio, Barks alleges as follows:
15. Realleges the allegations contained in Paragraphs 3 through 14 above
16. The conduct of Grandey and Morby constitutes conversion of the fund
in excess of Eighty Thousand Dollars ($80,000) belonging to Barks. Barks
has been damaged by the amount of that fund.
17. Grandey and Morby's conversion of this fund was intentional and
willful and for the purpose of coercing concessions to which they were not
entitled from Barks, under circumstances which justify deterrence by
imposition of punitive damages in the amount of One Hundred Thousand
($100,000)
FIFTH CROSS CLAIM
Abuse of Elderly (ORS 124.100).
For his fifthcross-complaint against Grandey and Morby, individually and
doing business as Carl Barks Studio, Barks alleges as follows:
18. Realleges the allegations contained in Paragraphs 3 through 17 above
19. Such conduct by Grandey and Morby constitutes elder abuse within
the meaning of ORS 124.110
20. In addition to economic and non-economic damages alleged above,
Barks is entitled to such restraining orders, temporary injunctions and
other actions as the court deems just and proper, plus his reasonable
attorney's fees incurred herein pursuant to ORS 124.100 (1)(c).
WHEREFORE, Barks prays for judgement against William Grandey and Kathy
Morby, individually and in business as Carl Barks Studio as follows:
1. Dismissing their cross-claims against him and awarding him
reasonable attorney's fees incurred herein on his First Cross-Claim;
2. For a full and complete accounting of all books and records of
Grandey and Morby relating to their activities as Carl Barks Studio and in
any other capacity involving Barks or his work or name from February 1993
to the present together with a permanent injunction and such preliminary
injunction as may be appropriate to enjoin further use of his name or
product, the withholding of property or monies belonging to him, and
generally any further business or activity using his name or product in any
way for or in connection with Barks, all so as to accomplish a full and
complete termination of any further relationship between parties.
3. For such economic damages as are reflected by that accounting,
including but not limited to the exact dollar amount in the fund converted
from Barks believd to be in the approximate amount of Eighty Thousand
Dollars ($80,000).
4. For non-economic damages in the amount of Five Hundred Thousand
Dollars ($500,000).
5. For punitive damages in the amount of Five Hundred Thousand Dollars
($500,000)) on Barks' Second Cross-Claim and One Hundred Thousand Dollars
($100,000) on Barks' Fourth Cross-Claim.
6. For reasonable attorney's fees incurred herein on his Fifth
Cross-Claim.
7. For his reasonable costs and disbursements together with such other
relief as the Court deems.
Dated this 29th day of January 1998
Hershner,Hunter,Andrews,Neill & Smith, LLP
K. Patrick Neill, OSB No. 71128
Of Attorneys for Defendant Carl Barks
Trial Attorney
funds and breach of fiduciary duty, and has called for a full accounting of
where all of the money has gone! Along with that he has asked for the
severing of all business activity with these people.
Does *anyone* on the Digest have an opinion about this??
The last time there were legal docs filed it seems as the only thing people
cared about was whether Fethry or who-knows-who was properly indexed in the
appropriate charts.
This is Carl we're talking about..a human, living breathing real
person..who has brought us years of pleasure and enjoyment..... not some
four color character who exists on some cheap pulp paper.
*********************************************************************
United States District Court for the District of Oregon
Civil Action, File No. 97-3077-CO
ANSWER OF DEFENDENT CARL BARKS TO CROSS-CLAIMS AND CROSS-CLAIMS OF
DEFENDANT CARL BARKS AGAINST DEFENDANTS WILLIAM GRANDEY AND KATHY MORBY,
INDIVIDUALLY AND DOING BUSINESS AS CARL BARKS STUDIOS.
Defendat Carl Barks ("Barks") answers the cross-claims of co-Defendants
William Grandey ("Grandey") and Kathy Morby ("Morby"), individually and
doing business as Carl Barks Studio, and asserts cross-claims against same
as follows:
ANSWER
1. Denies each and every allegation contained in the cross-claims of
co-Defendants.
FIRST CROSS CLAIM
For his first cross-claim against Grandey and Morby, individually and doing
business as Carl Barks Studio, Barks alleges as follows:
2. The cross-claims of Grandey and Morby are meritless, without any
reasonable basis, and have been brought in bad faith and solely for
oppressive reasons to take advantage of the advanced age and litigation
aversion of Barks. Barks is entitled to recover his attorney's fees herein
pursuant to ORS 20.105(1) and pursuant to the equitable powers of the Court.
SECOND CROSS CLAIM
Breach of Fiduciary Duty
(Damages)
For his second cross-claim against Grandey and Morby, individually and
doing business as Carl Barks Studio, Barks alleges as follows:
3. Barks is 97 years old. In February 1993, at the urging of Grandey
and Morby, Barks and his wife, Margaret, then of advanced age and
increasingly in need of assistance in handling their personal affairs and
physical conditions, placed their trust and confidence in Grandey and Morby
to take responsibility for caring for their personal affairs and physical
needs. A written agreement was entered into which handsomely rewarded
Grandey and Morby for specific duties set out therein and Grandey and Morby
moved into a home owned by Barks near where Barks and his wife were living
and became an important part of their lives.
4. A special relationship was created between Barks and Grandey and
Morby whereby Barks placed his trust and confidence in Grandey and Morby
and they accepted that trust and confidence and assumed responsibility to
act in the best interests of Barks and his wife. Shortly thereafter, Barks'
wife died and Barks became even more dependent upon Grandey and Morby.
5. This special relationship created significant fiduciary duties on
the part of Grandey and Morby to Barks.
6. Over the ensuing years, Grandey and Morby took advantage of this
special relationship with Barks and, among other things, accomplished the
following for themselves:
a. Began using the name Carl Barks in their business name,
Carl Barks Studio, without articulating any terms of agreement for such use
b. Influenced Barks to allow them to use his name, reputation,
and work product and generaly assume substantial control over Barks'
business activities, all without any agreement or clear articulation of the
terms of the same.
c. Engaged in these business activities using Barks' name and
product, traveled extensively, and received substantial income and
possession and control of payments and product belonging to Barks all
without any clear accounting, explanation, approval, or other businesslike
treatment of such activities.
d. Purport to have made commitments for Barks contrary to his
desires and best interests and without full disclosure, explanation or
approval.
e. Withheld accounting and other information from Barks
regarding these activities.
f. Generally took advantage of Barks' age and vulnerability to
further their own interests and not the interests of Barks.
7. Within the last year Barks has become increasingly uneasy about the
activities of Grandey and Morby and has attempted to obtain information,
clarity and control of Grandey and Morby's use of his name, product and
activities. In response to those efforts, Grandey and Morby have become
increasingly hostile and abusive of Barks and ultimately have made
outrageous claims against him for substantial funds beyond any amounts to
which they are entitled. In addition, they have converted to their own
possession specific identifiable funds belonging to Barks in the amount of
approximately Eighty Thousand Dollars ($80,000) which is being held by them
in an unknown account.
8. Such conduct by Grandey and Morby constitutes a gross and excessive
breah of their fiduciary duties to BArks, damaging him in the amount of
approximately Eighty Thousand Dollars ($80,000), together with such
additional economic damage as may be revealed by an accounting for their
activities sice they began doing business using Barks' name, reputation and
product.
9. These breaches have also caused Barks extreme emotional distress in
his advanced years as Grandey and Morby have created tremendous unease and
insecurity as to his financial well-being and ability to live in peace,
security and control, have written at least one unauthorized and abusive
letter to a friend and associate of Barks and have cause dhim concern for
his physical health and well-being, all to Barks' damage in the amount of
Five Hundred Thousand Dollars ($500,000).
10. The conduct of Grandey and Morbey has been excessive and
despicable, taking advantage of an elderly person by maintaining confusion,
misinformation and vagueness as their weapons and attempting to bully him
into activities solely with their own interests in mind, all under
circumstances that are sufficiently egregious to warrent imposition of
punitive damages in the amount of Five Hundred Thousand Dollars ($500,000)).
THIRD CROSS CLAIM
Breach of Fiduciary Duty
(Accounting and Injunction)
For his third cross-complaint against Grandey and Morby, individually and
doing business as Carl Barks Studio, Barks alleges as follows:
11. realleges the allegations found in Paragraphs 3 through 10 above
12. The dealings that Grandey and Morby have engaged in have been
extensive and complex. Barks has periodically requested information and an
accounting related to these activities, which has been consistently refused
and withheld.
13. Barks is therefore entitled to a full and complete accounting of
all books and records of Grandey and Morby relating to their activities as
Carl Barks Studio and in any other capaciyty involving Barks or his work or
name.
14. In addition, Barks desires and is entitled to a permanent
injunction and such preliminary injunction as may be appropriate to enjoin
any further use of his name, receipt of property or payments for or on his
behalf or in connection with his name or product, the withholding of
property or monies belonging to him, and generally any further business or
activity using his name or product in any way for or in connection with
Barks,all so as to accomplish a full and complete termination of any
further relationship between the parties.
FOURTH CROSS CLAIM
Conversion
For his fourth cross-complaint against Grandey and Morby, individually and
doing business as Carl Barks Studio, Barks alleges as follows:
15. Realleges the allegations contained in Paragraphs 3 through 14 above
16. The conduct of Grandey and Morby constitutes conversion of the fund
in excess of Eighty Thousand Dollars ($80,000) belonging to Barks. Barks
has been damaged by the amount of that fund.
17. Grandey and Morby's conversion of this fund was intentional and
willful and for the purpose of coercing concessions to which they were not
entitled from Barks, under circumstances which justify deterrence by
imposition of punitive damages in the amount of One Hundred Thousand
($100,000)
FIFTH CROSS CLAIM
Abuse of Elderly (ORS 124.100).
For his fifthcross-complaint against Grandey and Morby, individually and
doing business as Carl Barks Studio, Barks alleges as follows:
18. Realleges the allegations contained in Paragraphs 3 through 17 above
19. Such conduct by Grandey and Morby constitutes elder abuse within
the meaning of ORS 124.110
20. In addition to economic and non-economic damages alleged above,
Barks is entitled to such restraining orders, temporary injunctions and
other actions as the court deems just and proper, plus his reasonable
attorney's fees incurred herein pursuant to ORS 124.100 (1)(c).
WHEREFORE, Barks prays for judgement against William Grandey and Kathy
Morby, individually and in business as Carl Barks Studio as follows:
1. Dismissing their cross-claims against him and awarding him
reasonable attorney's fees incurred herein on his First Cross-Claim;
2. For a full and complete accounting of all books and records of
Grandey and Morby relating to their activities as Carl Barks Studio and in
any other capacity involving Barks or his work or name from February 1993
to the present together with a permanent injunction and such preliminary
injunction as may be appropriate to enjoin further use of his name or
product, the withholding of property or monies belonging to him, and
generally any further business or activity using his name or product in any
way for or in connection with Barks, all so as to accomplish a full and
complete termination of any further relationship between parties.
3. For such economic damages as are reflected by that accounting,
including but not limited to the exact dollar amount in the fund converted
from Barks believd to be in the approximate amount of Eighty Thousand
Dollars ($80,000).
4. For non-economic damages in the amount of Five Hundred Thousand
Dollars ($500,000).
5. For punitive damages in the amount of Five Hundred Thousand Dollars
($500,000)) on Barks' Second Cross-Claim and One Hundred Thousand Dollars
($100,000) on Barks' Fourth Cross-Claim.
6. For reasonable attorney's fees incurred herein on his Fifth
Cross-Claim.
7. For his reasonable costs and disbursements together with such other
relief as the Court deems.
Dated this 29th day of January 1998
Hershner,Hunter,Andrews,Neill & Smith, LLP
K. Patrick Neill, OSB No. 71128
Of Attorneys for Defendant Carl Barks
Trial Attorney
Francois Willot
Disney comics Digest V98 #48
Message 198 -
1998-02-15 at 01:36:35
Dave Rawson wrote:
> > D 95026 DD The Best Ever
> > I'm not very fond of Xmas stories, but this one was OK. [...] the
> > end
> > is quite "conventional" (DD & the nephews "happy");
>
> Hmmm... That would be a unique challenge: A Christmas story with a
> sad ending. Maybe if I get another shot at doing a Christmas
> story, I could try to write such a thing.
I imagine that a sad ending would not be approved by Egmont. But you can
do a Christmas story without these (boring) happy ends (I say "boring"
in general - it's not about your story). "Christmas in Schacktown" has
an humorous end with a nervous Scrooge, angry with the nephews' little
train, and "DD's Best Christmas" shows Donald's amour-propre (vanity,
conceit) for example.
Steven Rowe:
>Which reminds me, did I ever tell any about the talk I had with Dick
>Moores about his Mickey Mouse stories?
No, but I'd be very interested to hear anything about Dick Moores.
John Lustig:
>By the way, I figured you actually knew that Branca was the artist of
>that one story and that mentioning Vicar was just a mistake. To play it
>safe, though, I just wanted to set the record straight officially.
Well, *I* *thank* *you* for correcting me!
>By the way, I've never really understood the relationship between
>Egmont and the publications that come out in France. My impression has
>been that the French publisher is considerably more independant than
>Scandinavian publishers who use Egmont material. Do you know anything
>about this? I'm curious.
The publishers in France have no relation with Egmont. It's a totally
independant company, such as Disney Italia, Geillustreerde Pers or
Gladstone/Another Rainbow. Fifty % of the shares (approximatively) is
owned by Disney-France and the other 50 % by Hachette. I don't know what
is the exact agreement between Disney and Hachette but the magazines are
published by Hachette Philipachi Presse which is the biggest publisher
in France (I think).
I also heard that Egmont is not very happy with the French publishers.
Because the French currently publish a lot of stories from Egmont, while
they produce very little stories.
Francois
> > D 95026 DD The Best Ever
> > I'm not very fond of Xmas stories, but this one was OK. [...] the
> > end
> > is quite "conventional" (DD & the nephews "happy");
>
> Hmmm... That would be a unique challenge: A Christmas story with a
> sad ending. Maybe if I get another shot at doing a Christmas
> story, I could try to write such a thing.
I imagine that a sad ending would not be approved by Egmont. But you can
do a Christmas story without these (boring) happy ends (I say "boring"
in general - it's not about your story). "Christmas in Schacktown" has
an humorous end with a nervous Scrooge, angry with the nephews' little
train, and "DD's Best Christmas" shows Donald's amour-propre (vanity,
conceit) for example.
Steven Rowe:
>Which reminds me, did I ever tell any about the talk I had with Dick
>Moores about his Mickey Mouse stories?
No, but I'd be very interested to hear anything about Dick Moores.
John Lustig:
>By the way, I figured you actually knew that Branca was the artist of
>that one story and that mentioning Vicar was just a mistake. To play it
>safe, though, I just wanted to set the record straight officially.
Well, *I* *thank* *you* for correcting me!
>By the way, I've never really understood the relationship between
>Egmont and the publications that come out in France. My impression has
>been that the French publisher is considerably more independant than
>Scandinavian publishers who use Egmont material. Do you know anything
>about this? I'm curious.
The publishers in France have no relation with Egmont. It's a totally
independant company, such as Disney Italia, Geillustreerde Pers or
Gladstone/Another Rainbow. Fifty % of the shares (approximatively) is
owned by Disney-France and the other 50 % by Hachette. I don't know what
is the exact agreement between Disney and Hachette but the magazines are
published by Hachette Philipachi Presse which is the biggest publisher
in France (I think).
I also heard that Egmont is not very happy with the French publishers.
Because the French currently publish a lot of stories from Egmont, while
they produce very little stories.
Francois
Mitchell Marmel
Barks sues his managers
Message 199 -
1998-02-15 at 14:45:07
According to Michael Naiman:
>
> Carl has sued his "managers" for the *abuse of the elderly*, conversion of
> funds and breach of fiduciary duty, and has called for a full accounting of
> where all of the money has gone! Along with that he has asked for the
> severing of all business activity with these people.
>
> Does *anyone* on the Digest have an opinion about this??
>
> The last time there were legal docs filed it seems as the only thing people
> cared about was whether Fethry or who-knows-who was properly indexed in the
> appropriate charts.
>
> This is Carl we're talking about..a human, living breathing real
> person..who has brought us years of pleasure and enjoyment..... not some
> four color character who exists on some cheap pulp paper.
> *********************************************************************
I'm with Michael on this. While I understand that discussing this subject
is taboo on this list, I really think that, given the circumstances, the
taboo ought to be lifted, if only to discuss whether Carl has the
resources to fight this battle properly, whether a legal fund needs to be
established, and so forth.
I'm fairly certain that private E-mail on the subject is flying thick and
fast on this; well past time to open up the discussion, methinks.
Per? Don? Anybody?
-MMM-
--------------------------------
End of Disney comics Digest V98 Issue #54
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>
> Carl has sued his "managers" for the *abuse of the elderly*, conversion of
> funds and breach of fiduciary duty, and has called for a full accounting of
> where all of the money has gone! Along with that he has asked for the
> severing of all business activity with these people.
>
> Does *anyone* on the Digest have an opinion about this??
>
> The last time there were legal docs filed it seems as the only thing people
> cared about was whether Fethry or who-knows-who was properly indexed in the
> appropriate charts.
>
> This is Carl we're talking about..a human, living breathing real
> person..who has brought us years of pleasure and enjoyment..... not some
> four color character who exists on some cheap pulp paper.
> *********************************************************************
I'm with Michael on this. While I understand that discussing this subject
is taboo on this list, I really think that, given the circumstances, the
taboo ought to be lifted, if only to discuss whether Carl has the
resources to fight this battle properly, whether a legal fund needs to be
established, and so forth.
I'm fairly certain that private E-mail on the subject is flying thick and
fast on this; well past time to open up the discussion, methinks.
Per? Don? Anybody?
-MMM-
--------------------------------
End of Disney comics Digest V98 Issue #54
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Trygve Vatle
UK Disney
Message 200 -
1998-02-15 at 15:45:40
For those who are investigating into the bizare life of UK Disney comics, give it
up. As far as I have seen the only Disney comics around are Disney and Me and the
Phoo thing. I have only read the first and it could hardly be called a comic. Lots
of editorials, and a little something special from of the latest Disney films in
the middle that can be called comic. As a general rule the UK are a disaster zone
when it comes to comics. The only I have found is Judge Dredd that comes out on a
regular basis, and I guess that tells all about the situation here!
Trygve Vatle
Free web-based email, Forever, From anywhere!
http://www.mailexcite.com
up. As far as I have seen the only Disney comics around are Disney and Me and the
Phoo thing. I have only read the first and it could hardly be called a comic. Lots
of editorials, and a little something special from of the latest Disney films in
the middle that can be called comic. As a general rule the UK are a disaster zone
when it comes to comics. The only I have found is Judge Dredd that comes out on a
regular basis, and I guess that tells all about the situation here!
Trygve Vatle
Free web-based email, Forever, From anywhere!
http://www.mailexcite.com
Tarjei Kidd Olsen
Courtcases
Message 201 -
1998-02-15 at 15:46:12
Michael Naiman said:
>Carl has sued his "managers" for the *abuse of the elderly*, conversion of
>funds and breach of fiduciary duty, and has called for a full accounting of
>where all of the money has gone! Along with that he has asked for the
>severing of all business activity with these people.
>
>Does *anyone* on the Digest have an opinion about this??
>
>The last time there were legal docs filed it seems as the only thing people
>cared about was whether Fethry or who-knows-who was properly indexed in the
>appropriate charts.
>
> This is Carl we're talking about..a human, living breathing real
>person..who has brought us years of pleasure and enjoyment..... not some
>four color character who exists on some cheap pulp paper.
Well, I'm sure *I'd* have an opinion if I knew what was going on!! At least
twice I've asked the list to explain whats going on, but I haven't received
any replies; not even in private mail...
All I know is that there's something going on involving Carl Barks, Don
Rosa, funds, Carl Barks Studios, disinformation and I don't know what else.
Could *SOMEONE* please update me on all this??
*argh* *sigh*
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>Carl has sued his "managers" for the *abuse of the elderly*, conversion of
>funds and breach of fiduciary duty, and has called for a full accounting of
>where all of the money has gone! Along with that he has asked for the
>severing of all business activity with these people.
>
>Does *anyone* on the Digest have an opinion about this??
>
>The last time there were legal docs filed it seems as the only thing people
>cared about was whether Fethry or who-knows-who was properly indexed in the
>appropriate charts.
>
> This is Carl we're talking about..a human, living breathing real
>person..who has brought us years of pleasure and enjoyment..... not some
>four color character who exists on some cheap pulp paper.
Well, I'm sure *I'd* have an opinion if I knew what was going on!! At least
twice I've asked the list to explain whats going on, but I haven't received
any replies; not even in private mail...
All I know is that there's something going on involving Carl Barks, Don
Rosa, funds, Carl Barks Studios, disinformation and I don't know what else.
Could *SOMEONE* please update me on all this??
*argh* *sigh*
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Ooops
Message 202 -
1998-02-15 at 15:57:33
I see I just sent half of the last digest to this digest. Sorry about that!
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Dan Shane
Disney comics Digest V98 #54
Message 203 -
1998-02-15 at 16:01:18
MICHAEL NAIMAN:
>Carl has sued his "managers" for the *abuse of the elderly*, conversion of
>funds and breach of fiduciary duty, and has called for a full accounting of
>where all of the money has gone! Along with that he has asked for the
>severing of all business activity with these people.
>Does *anyone* on the Digest have an opinion about this??
It would be my guess that lots of folks here have an opinion about the suit,
but they would rather not comment in any great degree lest those comments be
taken as proof of dislike of one party or the other. Remember what happened
to Don Rosa when he offered some opinions about Mr. Grandey's relationship
with Mr. Barks and Disney comics in general? All written remarks (including
those I'm making right now) can be used as evidence in any related legal
proceedings.
Having said that, I'll stick my neck out and simply offer this: I think Mr.
Barks and Mr. Grandey and company are just reaping what they have sown.
>Carl has sued his "managers" for the *abuse of the elderly*, conversion of
>funds and breach of fiduciary duty, and has called for a full accounting of
>where all of the money has gone! Along with that he has asked for the
>severing of all business activity with these people.
>Does *anyone* on the Digest have an opinion about this??
It would be my guess that lots of folks here have an opinion about the suit,
but they would rather not comment in any great degree lest those comments be
taken as proof of dislike of one party or the other. Remember what happened
to Don Rosa when he offered some opinions about Mr. Grandey's relationship
with Mr. Barks and Disney comics in general? All written remarks (including
those I'm making right now) can be used as evidence in any related legal
proceedings.
Having said that, I'll stick my neck out and simply offer this: I think Mr.
Barks and Mr. Grandey and company are just reaping what they have sown.
Luca Boschi
Tabby and Mr. Barks
Message 204 -
1998-02-15 at 18:08:14
Hi, all!
RICH BELLACERA wrote:
> I don't understand why it would matter what
> coloring or markings the cat has as interpretted by different artists
> as long as the comic itself acknowledges that this is suppose to be
> the cat named Tabby (owned by Donald Duck)?
Well, the main differences are in the personalities of the two cats.
This circumstance, and their different looks, are more important than
other discussion about IF the Barks' Tabby be the same cat drawn by
Hubbard. We must not think that Donald is a real breathing and living
person, who avoids to call a new cat with his old one's name because
normally it doesn't happen. There is no continuity between the two
Tabbys; a lot of years has passed, so Dick Kinney decides to write a
new serial, starring new characters, and Al Hibbard designs a cat
following the naturalistic trend created by Frank Thomas, Ollie
Johnston, Milt Kahl, Marc Davis and so on. Do you remember the cat who
in "101 Dalmatians" helps the dogs to run out? *This* is the graphic
model used by Hubbard (artist of the movie's comics version, too) to
draw the new Tabby, three years later.
Seriously though,
> I have seen the image of Figaro (a little black & white kitten) owned by
> everyone from Donald, Alice in Wonderland, Mickey, etc.except the name
> is always specific to that cat
This is true. Figaro *is* always the same cat, with his own look and
definite personality. Animators and comics artists decided to use it
in different environments, like some times Pinocchio teamed up with
Donald, Seven Dwarfs and so on.
>(for example, even though the film "Alice
> in Wonderland" depicted a little orange and yellow kitten named Dinah,
> in one comic book version I have, Dinah is still her name, but she is
> the spitting image of Figaro.
True! But this a fault of the comics artist, Riley Thompson, who had
no Dinah's model sheets handy, so decided to use those of Figaro's,
that he got from Western for using them to draw the "Pluto's Sweater"
story (taken ditto from a movie). Thompson was used to do such kind of
things. You can also compare some positions and expressions drawn in
the same way for Donald or for Grandma.
> It is also true that a "Tabby Cat" is a particular *type*
> of cat, but those cats usually have stripes, something none of the
> versions of Tabby I've seen have.
ALT! I don't know it exactly, but a friend of mine told me that the
female cats are more frequently striped, not so the male ones. This
can also explain the fact that Donald's Tabby IS a male cate.
To Michael Naiman...
> This is Carl we're talking about..a human, living breathing real
> person..who has brought us years of pleasure and enjoyment...
Well, I agree with Michael and others... Some days ago I diffonded thi
new among all the people I know and that have known Barks, somhow.
Included some staffers of the Italian Disney Company. I'll do the same
now. If Michael has some idea of what we can do (you seem to be really
close to Barks), let's tell us! I personally met Barks and the two
managers in 1994 and I'm not surprised about what has happened!
Luca
RICH BELLACERA wrote:
> I don't understand why it would matter what
> coloring or markings the cat has as interpretted by different artists
> as long as the comic itself acknowledges that this is suppose to be
> the cat named Tabby (owned by Donald Duck)?
Well, the main differences are in the personalities of the two cats.
This circumstance, and their different looks, are more important than
other discussion about IF the Barks' Tabby be the same cat drawn by
Hubbard. We must not think that Donald is a real breathing and living
person, who avoids to call a new cat with his old one's name because
normally it doesn't happen. There is no continuity between the two
Tabbys; a lot of years has passed, so Dick Kinney decides to write a
new serial, starring new characters, and Al Hibbard designs a cat
following the naturalistic trend created by Frank Thomas, Ollie
Johnston, Milt Kahl, Marc Davis and so on. Do you remember the cat who
in "101 Dalmatians" helps the dogs to run out? *This* is the graphic
model used by Hubbard (artist of the movie's comics version, too) to
draw the new Tabby, three years later.
Seriously though,
> I have seen the image of Figaro (a little black & white kitten) owned by
> everyone from Donald, Alice in Wonderland, Mickey, etc.except the name
> is always specific to that cat
This is true. Figaro *is* always the same cat, with his own look and
definite personality. Animators and comics artists decided to use it
in different environments, like some times Pinocchio teamed up with
Donald, Seven Dwarfs and so on.
>(for example, even though the film "Alice
> in Wonderland" depicted a little orange and yellow kitten named Dinah,
> in one comic book version I have, Dinah is still her name, but she is
> the spitting image of Figaro.
True! But this a fault of the comics artist, Riley Thompson, who had
no Dinah's model sheets handy, so decided to use those of Figaro's,
that he got from Western for using them to draw the "Pluto's Sweater"
story (taken ditto from a movie). Thompson was used to do such kind of
things. You can also compare some positions and expressions drawn in
the same way for Donald or for Grandma.
> It is also true that a "Tabby Cat" is a particular *type*
> of cat, but those cats usually have stripes, something none of the
> versions of Tabby I've seen have.
ALT! I don't know it exactly, but a friend of mine told me that the
female cats are more frequently striped, not so the male ones. This
can also explain the fact that Donald's Tabby IS a male cate.
To Michael Naiman...
> This is Carl we're talking about..a human, living breathing real
> person..who has brought us years of pleasure and enjoyment...
Well, I agree with Michael and others... Some days ago I diffonded thi
new among all the people I know and that have known Barks, somhow.
Included some staffers of the Italian Disney Company. I'll do the same
now. If Michael has some idea of what we can do (you seem to be really
close to Barks), let's tell us! I personally met Barks and the two
managers in 1994 and I'm not surprised about what has happened!
Luca
Nils Lid Hjort
Barks versus managers
Message 205 -
1998-02-15 at 19:04:00
Many thanks to Michael Naiman for providing this important and detailed
information. Re his further comments,
<<
Does *anyone* on the Digest have an opinion about this??
The last time there were legal docs filed it seems as the only thing people
cared about was whether Fethry or who-knows-who was properly indexed in the
appropriate charts.
>>
I would say that yes!, many of us care a lot about all this, from many
perspectives; but our relative silence (up to now) is caused by "being stunned"
and by "not knowing or understanding the full picture well", not by lack of
interest and concern.
Of course this list should be concerned with this, and its themes should not
be taboo-ed. And we outsiders should be helped to form a fuller and better
picture.
Nils Lid Hjort
information. Re his further comments,
<<
Does *anyone* on the Digest have an opinion about this??
The last time there were legal docs filed it seems as the only thing people
cared about was whether Fethry or who-knows-who was properly indexed in the
appropriate charts.
>>
I would say that yes!, many of us care a lot about all this, from many
perspectives; but our relative silence (up to now) is caused by "being stunned"
and by "not knowing or understanding the full picture well", not by lack of
interest and concern.
Of course this list should be concerned with this, and its themes should not
be taboo-ed. And we outsiders should be helped to form a fuller and better
picture.
Nils Lid Hjort
Eta Beta
Ye Cats !
Message 206 -
1998-02-15 at 19:08:31
LUCA
[on Tabby]
>You must know that it's one of most common name for a cat
>(like "Fuffi" in Italy, maybe), and it embodyes a
>special kind of cat.
>Not orange (like in Barks) or white (how in Europe
>"Malachia" was colored, since the pages come frome the USA in black
>and white and colorists didn't know what to do with characters),
>but brown, with something of black (on the ears' top, at least). In
>Italy we call it "soriano".
Both "tabby" and "soriano" are used for "common cat", or "striped cat"
in the respective languages, although "soriano" is zoologically
improper in this case, as you rightly pointed out...
In Italy we don't use "Soriano" as a proper name for cats, though,
while there's at least one Argentinian writer with that name... ;-)
>>After all, Donald himself turned from yellow to white... ;-)
>
>Only in Italian comics, from Nerbini and similar...
Well, I could have sworn I've seen it yellow in the original, too,
so I checked my references, and there it is, on Marcia Blitz's
"Donald Duck".... in black and white....
Strange tricks memory plays... thanks for correction.
[on Scarpa's "The Flying Scotsman" as the best story ever]
>The guy who told it was Massimo Marconi, storyman and former head of
>stories for "Topolino". Many critics and fans agree.
>Or, at least,they say (like me) that's ONE of the few very best.
Yes, you're right. After all, there's also "The Chirikawa Necklace",
"Columbus' Butterfly", "Shan Grilla", "Emperor of Calidornia"...
and a few dozens more... ;-)
However, all jokes apart, I'm quite curious about how well Scarpa is
actually known (and considered) outside Italy...
I've seen myself quite a few German editions, FRANCOIS submitted a
list of his publishing in French, our Greek friends seem well
acquainted with his work, and from some of SOEREN's postings I
gather the Danes are too, while HARRY tells us he's not exactly
popular in Holland... how about the rest ?
DAVID
>Donald also has a cat named Tabby in the Taliaferro strip circa
>1939-1941, although it's inconsistent in appearance
>(sometimes a black cat with white face and belly, other times
>all white).
Ye Cats ! There's surely a cat, nearly always of the "Sylvester"
type, black with white paws, belly and muzzle, rather often in
the early Taliaferro's strips, from 1938 - 1942 (33 appearances).
The cat is actually called by name only twice, in the Italian
versions at least, on dailies 39/01/24 and 40/03/02.
I don't know if the name was "Tabby" in the original English, in
Italian the name used is "Kitty", but I seriously doubt *SHE*
could be related to the Hubbard/Kinney (Barks inspired ?) Tabby...
Perhaps "our" Tabby was one of the kittens she gave birth to in
the 40/02/28 daily ? ;-)
>I think it's a case of Barks being inspired by what went before,
>but going on to invent real *characters* (especially
>with Mr. Jones, of course) rather than just carrying on someone
>else's inconsistencies.
About the cat, LUCA is probably right in pointing out that "Tabby"
would be very likely to be used as a first choice name for a cat
by authors unaware of each other's work, anyway... and same goes
for "Jones" as a "human" name, I believe.
Cheers
Eta Beta
email to : (Email removed)
======================================
"a cataract of caterwauling cats catapulting at my carp from
the cattails ! - this catastrophe is a categorial cataclysm !"
Gladstone Gander - "Duck out of Luck", WDC #294
======================================
[on Tabby]
>You must know that it's one of most common name for a cat
>(like "Fuffi" in Italy, maybe), and it embodyes a
>special kind of cat.
>Not orange (like in Barks) or white (how in Europe
>"Malachia" was colored, since the pages come frome the USA in black
>and white and colorists didn't know what to do with characters),
>but brown, with something of black (on the ears' top, at least). In
>Italy we call it "soriano".
Both "tabby" and "soriano" are used for "common cat", or "striped cat"
in the respective languages, although "soriano" is zoologically
improper in this case, as you rightly pointed out...
In Italy we don't use "Soriano" as a proper name for cats, though,
while there's at least one Argentinian writer with that name... ;-)
>>After all, Donald himself turned from yellow to white... ;-)
>
>Only in Italian comics, from Nerbini and similar...
Well, I could have sworn I've seen it yellow in the original, too,
so I checked my references, and there it is, on Marcia Blitz's
"Donald Duck".... in black and white....
Strange tricks memory plays... thanks for correction.
[on Scarpa's "The Flying Scotsman" as the best story ever]
>The guy who told it was Massimo Marconi, storyman and former head of
>stories for "Topolino". Many critics and fans agree.
>Or, at least,they say (like me) that's ONE of the few very best.
Yes, you're right. After all, there's also "The Chirikawa Necklace",
"Columbus' Butterfly", "Shan Grilla", "Emperor of Calidornia"...
and a few dozens more... ;-)
However, all jokes apart, I'm quite curious about how well Scarpa is
actually known (and considered) outside Italy...
I've seen myself quite a few German editions, FRANCOIS submitted a
list of his publishing in French, our Greek friends seem well
acquainted with his work, and from some of SOEREN's postings I
gather the Danes are too, while HARRY tells us he's not exactly
popular in Holland... how about the rest ?
DAVID
>Donald also has a cat named Tabby in the Taliaferro strip circa
>1939-1941, although it's inconsistent in appearance
>(sometimes a black cat with white face and belly, other times
>all white).
Ye Cats ! There's surely a cat, nearly always of the "Sylvester"
type, black with white paws, belly and muzzle, rather often in
the early Taliaferro's strips, from 1938 - 1942 (33 appearances).
The cat is actually called by name only twice, in the Italian
versions at least, on dailies 39/01/24 and 40/03/02.
I don't know if the name was "Tabby" in the original English, in
Italian the name used is "Kitty", but I seriously doubt *SHE*
could be related to the Hubbard/Kinney (Barks inspired ?) Tabby...
Perhaps "our" Tabby was one of the kittens she gave birth to in
the 40/02/28 daily ? ;-)
>I think it's a case of Barks being inspired by what went before,
>but going on to invent real *characters* (especially
>with Mr. Jones, of course) rather than just carrying on someone
>else's inconsistencies.
About the cat, LUCA is probably right in pointing out that "Tabby"
would be very likely to be used as a first choice name for a cat
by authors unaware of each other's work, anyway... and same goes
for "Jones" as a "human" name, I believe.
Cheers
Eta Beta
email to : (Email removed)
======================================
"a cataract of caterwauling cats catapulting at my carp from
the cattails ! - this catastrophe is a categorial cataclysm !"
Gladstone Gander - "Duck out of Luck", WDC #294
======================================
Cebarat
Digest V98 #54
Message 207 -
1998-02-15 at 21:57:05
MICHAEL NAIMAN:
<<Carl has sued his "managers" for the *abuse of the elderly*, conversion of
funds and breach of fiduciary duty, and has called for a full accounting of
where all of the money has gone! Along with that he has asked for the
severing of all business activity with these people.
Does *anyone* on the Digest have an opinion about this??
The last time there were legal docs filed it seems as the only thing people
cared about was whether Fethry or who-knows-who was properly indexed in the
appropriate charts.>>
I've restricted my comments on this matter to private communication, but
as has previously been stated by Michael and several others, I think that
this imbroglio has reached the point where open discussion is justified.
I most definitely DO have opinions on this subject, but don't wish to air
them until a consensus is reached as to what aspects may or may not be
discussed here.
Let's hear from more of you out there.
-- Christopher E. Barat
(Email removed)
http://members.aol.com/cebarat/home.htm
<<Carl has sued his "managers" for the *abuse of the elderly*, conversion of
funds and breach of fiduciary duty, and has called for a full accounting of
where all of the money has gone! Along with that he has asked for the
severing of all business activity with these people.
Does *anyone* on the Digest have an opinion about this??
The last time there were legal docs filed it seems as the only thing people
cared about was whether Fethry or who-knows-who was properly indexed in the
appropriate charts.>>
I've restricted my comments on this matter to private communication, but
as has previously been stated by Michael and several others, I think that
this imbroglio has reached the point where open discussion is justified.
I most definitely DO have opinions on this subject, but don't wish to air
them until a consensus is reached as to what aspects may or may not be
discussed here.
Let's hear from more of you out there.
-- Christopher E. Barat
(Email removed)
http://members.aol.com/cebarat/home.htm
Luna Storta
Disney comics Digest V98 #54
Message 208 -
1998-02-15 at 22:33:21
Hello,
STEVEN ROWE:
>...some folks (such as myself) have bolocked access to people with
>hotmail addresses.
..Well, if I remember it well, it was you the one that some weeks ago
was asking for someone to check your translation of an italian article,
I responded to your mail, but many times my message bounced back to
me... Now I understand the reason! ;-)
PAULO CEZAR LOPES BARRETO:
>how about a Disney Comics WWW Ring, banner trading or something
>similar?
That's a really good idea: a web ring featuring only pages related to
Disney Comics! Well, then it's my proposal: I can do a routine to make
it work and link together all our pages with the possibility to go to
the previous or next site or to a randomic one, then put it on my web
server and whoever wants to apply for the ring will receive the code to
insert in his (or her, Katie) pages.
MARTIN LOEBMANN:
About Latin Disney Comics:
>1) Does somebody know something about this?
>2) Are such Disney comics in LATIN still regularly avaiable for
>buying? Or are there, at least, collector files avaiable somewhere?
In Italy some years ago were issued some numbers of "Topolino piu'" with
stories from main artists presented in latin, these numbers aren't very
easy to find, but recently on "Zio Paperone" #81 was published "Donaldus
anas atque nox saraceni" (Donald Duck and the night of the saracene)
from Marco Rota.
Ciao,
Paolo Castagno
http://fumetti.home.ml.org
______________________________________________________
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STEVEN ROWE:
>...some folks (such as myself) have bolocked access to people with
>hotmail addresses.
..Well, if I remember it well, it was you the one that some weeks ago
was asking for someone to check your translation of an italian article,
I responded to your mail, but many times my message bounced back to
me... Now I understand the reason! ;-)
PAULO CEZAR LOPES BARRETO:
>how about a Disney Comics WWW Ring, banner trading or something
>similar?
That's a really good idea: a web ring featuring only pages related to
Disney Comics! Well, then it's my proposal: I can do a routine to make
it work and link together all our pages with the possibility to go to
the previous or next site or to a randomic one, then put it on my web
server and whoever wants to apply for the ring will receive the code to
insert in his (or her, Katie) pages.
MARTIN LOEBMANN:
About Latin Disney Comics:
>1) Does somebody know something about this?
>2) Are such Disney comics in LATIN still regularly avaiable for
>buying? Or are there, at least, collector files avaiable somewhere?
In Italy some years ago were issued some numbers of "Topolino piu'" with
stories from main artists presented in latin, these numbers aren't very
easy to find, but recently on "Zio Paperone" #81 was published "Donaldus
anas atque nox saraceni" (Donald Duck and the night of the saracene)
from Marco Rota.
Ciao,
Paolo Castagno
http://fumetti.home.ml.org
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Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com
Rob Gibson
Uncle Carl
Message 209 -
1998-02-15 at 22:36:55
Give 'em hell, Carl! If he needs any help, please count me in!
It looks like he has a good lawyer, in any case.
Regarding my earlier posting about "The Eve of St. Nick"("Twas the
Night before Christmas") possibly originating certain Christmas
traditions, and certain replies involving Thomas Nast: I'd always
associated Nast with Boss Tweed and Tammany Hall, and the creation of
the animal symbols for the U.S. political parties( donkey for the
Democrats, elephant for the Republicans ). In any case, "Eve of St Nick"
was first published in 1820, and Nast wasn't even born until 1840, so
whatever Nast wrote about Christmas, if it involved St.Nick being a
jolly old guy having a sleigh pulled by eight reindeer, and going up and
down chimneys to deliver toys to children around the world on Christmas
Eve, it would have been long after this notion was put forth by the
earlier poem. Of course he may have originated some other element of the
Christmas tradition not mentioned in the poem.
I suspect Carl Barks was the first to suggest that Santa is able to
shrink himself to get up and down chimneys ("Letter to Santa", Christmas
Parade NO.1, 1949).
I erred in suggesting that US 35("Gold Nugget Boat") and US 59
("North of the Yukon") were Canadian stories. After recently rereading
both, I discovered they occurred in Alaska! My apologies to the list.
I was also shocked (shocked!) to note a drug reference in US 59.
(**spoiler**)Soapy Slick has left doctored fish behind for Scrooge's dog
team to find and eat, which they do, and collapse. Scrooge sniffs one,
and also falls asleep. But Barko, the lead dog, wakes up.
"He loads up the sled, and pulls it mightily alone! The sedative has
made him feel great! For the first time in ages his rheumatism isn't
giving him pain!"
My question is, does anyone know whether this story is on Disney's
Banned list? (I wonder if Carl Barks had more in common with Barko the
Husky than the name, being old and being ready to retire.)
I also note several references to Phooey in this story. On the first
page Scrooge is calling for his nephew Phooey to help him while Donald
is pushing him in front of the camera for a photo spread in a big
magazine("Phooey! Phooey Phooey!)[frame 5]. Two frames earlier Scrooge
says "Phooey to him" when Donald starts to drag him over to the camera,
indicating he would rather his Nephew Phooey take his place in the photo
shoot.
Rob Gibson
"It's Scrooge McDuck! He's late, but man, he's here!!"
-"Gold Nugget Boat"(US 35)
It looks like he has a good lawyer, in any case.
Regarding my earlier posting about "The Eve of St. Nick"("Twas the
Night before Christmas") possibly originating certain Christmas
traditions, and certain replies involving Thomas Nast: I'd always
associated Nast with Boss Tweed and Tammany Hall, and the creation of
the animal symbols for the U.S. political parties( donkey for the
Democrats, elephant for the Republicans ). In any case, "Eve of St Nick"
was first published in 1820, and Nast wasn't even born until 1840, so
whatever Nast wrote about Christmas, if it involved St.Nick being a
jolly old guy having a sleigh pulled by eight reindeer, and going up and
down chimneys to deliver toys to children around the world on Christmas
Eve, it would have been long after this notion was put forth by the
earlier poem. Of course he may have originated some other element of the
Christmas tradition not mentioned in the poem.
I suspect Carl Barks was the first to suggest that Santa is able to
shrink himself to get up and down chimneys ("Letter to Santa", Christmas
Parade NO.1, 1949).
I erred in suggesting that US 35("Gold Nugget Boat") and US 59
("North of the Yukon") were Canadian stories. After recently rereading
both, I discovered they occurred in Alaska! My apologies to the list.
I was also shocked (shocked!) to note a drug reference in US 59.
(**spoiler**)Soapy Slick has left doctored fish behind for Scrooge's dog
team to find and eat, which they do, and collapse. Scrooge sniffs one,
and also falls asleep. But Barko, the lead dog, wakes up.
"He loads up the sled, and pulls it mightily alone! The sedative has
made him feel great! For the first time in ages his rheumatism isn't
giving him pain!"
My question is, does anyone know whether this story is on Disney's
Banned list? (I wonder if Carl Barks had more in common with Barko the
Husky than the name, being old and being ready to retire.)
I also note several references to Phooey in this story. On the first
page Scrooge is calling for his nephew Phooey to help him while Donald
is pushing him in front of the camera for a photo spread in a big
magazine("Phooey! Phooey Phooey!)[frame 5]. Two frames earlier Scrooge
says "Phooey to him" when Donald starts to drag him over to the camera,
indicating he would rather his Nephew Phooey take his place in the photo
shoot.
Rob Gibson
"It's Scrooge McDuck! He's late, but man, he's here!!"
-"Gold Nugget Boat"(US 35)
BENGSHAGY
Disney comics Digest V98 #24
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1998-02-16 at 02:08:30
stop e-mailing me i hate this crap