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Don Rosa <donrosa at iglou.com> wrote:

> If Don Rosa is so da**ed important over there
> why have they seen less Don Rosa stories in
> print than in Denmark and in Norway?
>
> First, you criticize the Swedish editors
> because they don't print my long stories that
> have never been broken into chapters by the
> central division of Egmont which supplies the
> material, stories that Sweden *can't* print
> because they do not publish the supplemental
> extra issues which can contain such long
> stories like Denmark and Norway do.

The do have 96p enlarged issues in where they print so-called:
"Sommar-lesning". So it's just a matter of priority. Apparently the editors
and the used comics sellers have varying views about the value of your
stories - and that was my whole point with that statement.

> Anyway IMO NAFS(K) should try to do something
> with the insane situation in the Swedish used
> comics market.
>
> Next you criticize my friends at NAFS(k)
> because... what?... they don't seize control
> of the Swedish government and impose some sort
> of cultural dictatorship on the entire nation?

No, no, no, but they can send letters to the stores menioned by AC and tell
them at there is no reason for having higher prices on KA-issues with your
stories than on similar issues with stories by other great artists like
Barks, Gottfredson, Murry, Van Horn, Rota, Scarpa, etc.

> May I suggest that you go to Sacandinavia next
> time you bring your wife Ann with you to
> Europe. At least here people can speak English
> and pursesnatchers are much fewer than in
> Napoli.
>
> Next, you move on, and, for no apparent reason,
> you insult Naples in particular and Italy in
> general (as opposed to a single reporter who
> might have been at fault or merely not quoted
> with perfect accuracy).

No, sir! You told us yourself about the situation in Naples (Napoli). I have
never been to Italy myself. Based on your own chritical description of your
experiences in Italy I tried to be polite and introduce Scandinavia as
anoher possible place for Ann to visit when going to Europe.

> Well, I am sure that serious readers as AC
> Siveb?k, Thomas Lauritsen and S?ren Krarup
> Olesen much rather would prefer to see a
> classic like "Cash Flow" that has NOT YET
> seen print in Denmark and Sweden.
>
> Next, for no apparent reason, you insult anyone
> who prefers the work of Walt Kelly... And
> you put this same criticism into the innocent
> mouths of three other people.

First: it wasn't meant as any insult against anybody just a notian that
other people may prefere to se other stuff than that in print. Second: both
AC Siveb?k and Thomas Lauritsen have both previously told me that they very
much wants to see your "Cash Flow" printed in Denmark.

> Sigvald... have you ever considered the idea
> of the LURK mode?

OK, I take your hint and will go back to lurk-modus from I leave my home
tomorrow and at least until I return from Denmark in August.

Sigvald

Hello everyone!

http://www.dvdtimes.co.uk/index.cgi?page=News&id=4773
lists the next batch of Walt Disney Treasures DVD's:
- The Chronological Donald Duck (at last! odd title)
- Mickey Mouse in Living Color Volume 2 (fine!)
- Walt Disney on the Front Lines (wartime productions; surely interesting;
an intriguing decision too as I doubt it will sell as well as the cartoons)
- Walt Disney's Tomorrowland (Disneyland shows on space exploration)

The chances of their mentioning Barks at one point are certainly nil, but
maybe in the features we will catch a glimpse of him among the artists.
I hope there will be something on Clarence Nash.

Fabio:
>>>> and kisses for the beautiful Swedes girls!!! :-D

Even better if they return the compliment! ;)

Sigvald (only word on the subject-- and it's a friendly word of advice):
>>>at least that market says that Don Rosa is more important than this Walt
Kelly...

You're missing a lot by not doing a little research on "this Walt Kelly".
Kelly was quite a comic genius-- and that's no hyperbole. His "Pogo" strips
& comics easily rank among the very finest comic work, and you needn't even
know hundreds of others strips to judge. He didn't merely draw cute
characters; his sense of and very apt use of absrudity as well as his
masterful use of language made for absolutely hilarious strips, and were
further strenghthened by witty satire. In short: absolutely incredibobble.
You can surely find a couple of sites & strips on the Web; hare are a few
(I haven't visited them for a while, though):
http://www.bpib.com/kelly.htm
http://members.tripod.de/Bazonga/
http://www.fantagraphics.com/classic/pogo/pogo.html

Best wishes,

Olivier

Olaf Solstrand wrote:

> Well, if that's the view of you serious
> readers, let me report the case from
> the point of view of one unserious reader
> - me (as the individual I am, I can't talk
> for anyone but myself).

No, you are also a serious reader. With a "serious reader" I refer to people
who care about WHO have done the stories they read those magazines.

> Second: The Scandinavian weekly is reprinting
> a Don Rosa story NEXT WEEK.

Yes, but not "Cash Flow".

> Why would they print Don Rosa stories in two
> issues in a row?

That's not what I said. My main issue was to show that for some people it
would AFAIK be of more intrest to see Don Rosa's "Cash Flow" this summer
than those other stories by Marco Rota, Walt Kelly, etc. So far these
people's prayers has not been heared...

> Fifth: Many Norwegians would probably find use
> of "Cash Flow" here strange, as that story was
> printed not too many years ago.

I was not thinking of my self, but on the behalf of my good Danish friends
whom I will meet again in a few weeks. I may act stupid from time to time,
but at least not egoistic.

> PS - to your other mails, Sigvald: Donald Duck
> magazines containing Don Rosa stories are extra
> expensive used in Norway too

Not as far as I have seen. But if that's true then at least that market says
that Don Rosa is more important than this Walt Kelly...

Sigvald

Hmm... Perhaps I should go back to digest mode? Would be much easier to
answer then...

Oh well. Let's give it a try.

But first: A GREAT THANKS to our fellow caballero Mateusz Lis, who sent me
Kaczor Donald #26-03! I loved it! Even though I don't understand Polish, I
notice that the translator have played a little with my story here - in a
way that I _love_. Like when the police officer says "Odwiedziny od 17:00 do
17:10!" - the visiting time was originally from five to six, but shrinking
it to ten minutes is so much funnier! Now I only have to learn Polish...

Any others seeing D/D 2001-013 in their local comic lately? I have it in
Norwegian, Swedish, Danish and Polish now...

SIGVALD GR?SFJELD JR., in "About going to Europe":
"May I suggest that you go to Sacandinavia next time you bring your wife Ann
with you to Europe. At least here people can speak English and
pursesnatchers are much fewer than in Napoli."

May I remind that Don Rosa's last visit to Scandinavia was in October 2002?
Please, as appreciated as Don Rosa is all over the world and in Europe in
particular, it would be a waste if all his foreign visits would go to
Scandinavia. (though it would be great if he came over for the Summer
meeting in Danish Donaldist Society, I agree - but is that a reason to never
go anywhere else?)

SIGVALD GR?SFJELD JR, in "Blackheart Beagle's age":
"But just relax - "A Little Something Special" is a typichal fictional
anniversary story - according to the Barks chronology Flintheart Glomgold
and Magica de Spell didn't apear in Duckburg until later."

And don't forget that ALL Disney comics are fictional. Sigvald, you use an
expression here that trigger my curiousity. You say that "[this story] is a
[typhical] fictional anniversary story".

Which makes me wonder: Are there others? (According to YOUR definition of
"fictional" of course)

I know of D 93287, but as you said "typhical anniversary story", I assume
there are others of those as well?

Is D 97437 "fictional"? Is D 93574? Is D 97052? Is D 2000-191? Is D
2001-143? Those are the "anniversary stories" I know of by Don Rosa... are
they fictional?

And, to make it all clear: Can you please explain what you mean about
"fictional"? I ask because I'm confused. You say very clearly that D 96325
is fictional, but you still use facts from this story in your "Lives and
Times in Duckburg".

My interpretation of "fictional" in the meaning of Don Rosa stories, is
"this story did not happen in the Don Rosa universe". But I see that you now
use the word "fictional" about a story you pick a lot of information from,
so I have to wonder.

I also feel the urge to say that the first time I read this story (D 96325),
the story took place in 1997. Well, in my head it was, and nothing else was
said anywhere else either. I loved the story anyhow, and didn't see it as
more fictional than other Rosa stories. I also thought of Miss Typefast's
remark "it's 50 years since you first came to town" to refer to W OS 178-02.
Blackheart Beagle's age didn't bother me at all, as I knew Scrooge had to be
130something, and that Huey, Dewey and Louie had been around for 60 years
and still was kids...

FABIO BLANCO, in "A friendly gest to all Swedes here!":
"(somebody read my question about the gemstone comics?)"

We did, we did. I didn't answer it because I don't know anything for sure,
but here's a hunch from me. Enjoy. (annoying when nobody answers you,
right?)

FABIO BLANCO, in "GEMSTONES italian comics":
"Somebody know if one of the Disney comics from Gemstone will be dedicated
to current italian comics?"

I'm not 100% sure, but I get a feeling that the new "Donald Duck Adventures"
will be mostly dedicated to Italian-style comics. With "Italian-style", I
mean "similar to Italian". I _guess_ they will contain Italian stories, as I
see they will contain Egmont stories that was made "in the Italian style",
that stands side-to-side with new Italian comics in our digest books. I
don't know this, and I don't have any contacts in Gemstone whatsoever - but
I will be disappointed if DDA won't contain any Italian stories. But PLEASE
don't take this from my mouth. I just thought you deserved an answer now -
but I don't have any foundation for what I'm saying.

SIGVALD GR?SFJELD JR., in "Blackheart Beagle's Age":
"This is Disney comics in where moral is very important. So my guess is that
people won't have children before they are married. AFAIK to be married
people must be 18, at least in the western world."

But, this is Don Rosa. As we have discussed earlier, Della according to gave
birth to Huey, Dewey and Louie at age fifteen. Or, if one should believe a
goof made by the Danish translator, at age TWELVE. And yes, this was ALL
because of a goof Don Rosa did (writing "younger" instead of "older")...

...but still: Why is moral so important? This is a Don Rosa story. Don't you
love Don Rosa exactly because he tries to show the REAL WORLD? Well, in the
real world, immorality DOES happen. There are people giving birth at age 16
and younger. Living together without being married is NORMAL nowadays.
Premarital sex is even MORE normal.

Besides: This is BLACKHEART BEAGLE. The man who several times locked up
Scrooge and left him to die. The man who almost threw Scrooge off the
Cornelius Coot-statue. This man does ROBBING and THEFT as a full time job,
and he would not hesitate killing someone either. Does it REALLY make sense
to you that this man thought "Oh no, I can't have sex, I'm not married yet"?

Also: I seem to remember that one CAN be married before the age of 18 [in
the western world] - as long as you have your parents' permission and
signatures to do so. I may be remembering wrong, but...

SIGVALD GR?SFJELD JR., in "Cash Flow":
"When I recently saw that Don Rosa's "On Stolen Time" was to be republished
as "Sommer-lesning" I immediately decided to address DCML in order to
friendly ask our friends at Egmont like David Gerstein, why they seem to
keep ignoring the fact that Don Rosa's "Cash Flow" has not yet seen print in
Denmark (and Sweden)."

First: But that does not have ANYTHING with David Gerstein and others
working in ECN to do, does it?

Anyhow, here's my thoughts on this: I _guess_ that AR 106 will be reprinted
in a few years - as I guess this has something to do with time since last
publication in Norway. D 90147 came in Norway in January 1991, while AR 106
came in autumn 1992. I guess the proper thing to do is to wait a certain
amount of years before reprinting a story? I notice that AR 113 was not
reprinted before ten and a half year after first Norwegian publication,
either. People found that OK, but would perhaps have reacted if they had
reprinted e.g. D 96325 in 2002. I guess this has to do with trying out
hunches - how many years can they wait before reprinting a story?

But if Danish and Swedish Egmont are as clever as I hope they are, we will
hopefully see a reprint of AR 106 in a few years. That said, I REALLY hope
our dear Swedish neighbors print D 93574 soon. Perhaps for June 9th 2004?

SIGVALD GR?SFJELD JR., in "Cash Flow":
"I didn't speak to our Danish friends before I wrote my statement, but both
AC and Thomas have previously told me that the really want to see Cash Flow
in Denmark."

That's not in any way the same as wanting to see it INSTEAD OF a Walt Kelly
story.

SIGVALD GR?SFJELD JR., in "Cash Flow":
"To Olaf: How could I know that less known writers/artists like Jesper Lund
Madsen and Pedro Alferez Canos have "stolen" Don Rosa's "Cash Flow" title.
Could this be the reason Don Rosa's "Cash Flow" has not yet been printed in
Denmark?"

Then you missed my point, which I assumed was obvious - well, so wrong can
one be. What I meant to say was: "Please mention author and/or story code
when talking about a story, not just the title". It's not obvious that
everything we say has to do with Don Rosa.

To your last question: I DOUBT IT, and has problems seeing any connection
there at all!

DON ROSA, in "DCML Digest Issue 15":
"Next you criticize my friends at NAFS(k) because... what?... they don't
seize control of the Swedish government and impose some sort of cultural
dictatorship on the entire nation?"

SIGVALD GR?SFJELD JR., in "Clarifying":
"No, no, no, but they can send letters to the stores menioned by AC and tell
them at there is no reason for having higher prices on KA-issues with your
stories than on similar issues with stories by other great artists like
Barks, Gottfredson, Murry, Van Horn, Rota, Scarpa, etc."

But that would be lying. There's a VERY good reason for having higher prices
on KA-issues with Don Rosa stories in them: Money. People are willing to buy
these magazines for a higher price, which is why the shops sell them for a
higher price in the first place.

Besides: Why would these shops listen to NAFS(K)? They KNOW they can take
more for these comics - and people will still buy them. Because it's Don
Rosa.

SIGVALD GR?SFJELD JR., in "Walt Kelly surprise in #28":
"No, you are also a serious reader. With a "serious reader" I refer to
people who care about WHO have done the stories they read those magazines."

Oh really? From your latest mail I understood that a serious reader was
someone prefering Don Rosa above Walt Kelly.

SIGVALD GR?SFJELD JR., in "Walt Kelly surprise in #28":
"Not as far as I have seen. But if that's true then at least that market
says that Don Rosa is more important than this Walt Kelly..."

To clarify, I don't go much to second-hand book shops. However, I talk a lot
to people on the Internet who is willing to sell their comics to the highest
bidder. And there, magazines containing Don Rosa stories attract more
buyers, and go for a much higher price. Sorry that I didn't state this in my
previous mail - I must have dozed off.

________________________
Best,
Olaf the Blue
"Etari etiuq tseg Dog, detsaw si mreps a fi. Taerg si mreps yreve, dercas si
mreps yreve."

Story codes used in this letter:
AR 106 - "Cash Flow", Don Rosa/Don Rosa
AR 113 - "Last Sled to Dawson", Don Rosa/Don Rosa
D 2000-191 - "The Beagle Boys vs. The Money Bin", Don Rosa/Don Rosa
D 2001-143 - "Gyro's First Invention", Don Rosa/Don Rosa
D 90147 - "On Stolen Time", Don Rosa/Don Rosa
D 93287 - "From Duckburg to Lillehammer", Don Rosa/Don Rosa
D 93574 - "The Duck Who Never Was", Don Rosa/Don Rosa
D 96325 - "A Little Something Special", Don Rosa/Don Rosa
D 97052 - "W.H.A.D.A.L.O.T.T.A.J.A.R.G.O.N.", Don Rosa/Don Rosa
D 97437- "The Sign of the Triple Distelfink", Don Rosa/Don Rosa
D/D 2001-013 - "Being Donald Duck", Olaf Solstrand/Maria Sanchez N??ez
W OS 178-02 - "Christmas on Bear Mountain", Carl Barks/Carl Barks

For more information on a story in particular, check INDUCKS at
http://bolderbast.inducks.org/xsearch.html or another location. Please note
that the code for D/D 2001-013 in INDUCKS is printed with a space instead of
the slash - but I chose to give the PRINTED story code above, as I mentioned
it in a connection where that was the one I wanted people to look for.

Sigvald Grøsfjeld jr. wrote:

> I immediately decided to address DCML in order to friendly ask our
> friends at Egmont like David Gerstein, why they seem to keep ignoring
> the fact that Don Rosa's "Cash Flow" has not yet seen print in Denmark
> (and Sweden).

What should they do about it? Force the Norwegians to reprint a story
they've only recently published? Denmark and Sweden missed out on
publishing it back in the '90s. Tough luck. My guess is that when "Cash
Flow" is eligible for reprinting in the Norwegian weekly, Denmark (and
possibly Sweden) will jump on board.

But that's only a guess, mind you.

> However before I came that long I saw the notion about the Walt Kelly
> surprise

The Walt Kelly story is 4 pages. How can that possibly crowd out a
longer story like "Cash Flow"?

> less known writers/artists like Jesper Lund Madsen and Pedro Alferez
> Canos have "stolen" Don Rosa's "Cash Flow" title. Could this be the
> reason Don Rosa's "Cash Flow" has not yet been printed in Denmark?

Sigvald, do you seriously believe Don's "Cash Flow" hasn't been printed
in Denmark because a one-pager of the same name was used by the Danes in
the mid-90s?!?

Lars

Sigvald Grøsfjeld jr. wrote:

> > PS - to your other mails, Sigvald: Donald Duck
>> magazines containing Don Rosa stories are extra
>> expensive used in Norway too
>
> Not as far as I have seen. But if that's true then at least that
> market says that Don Rosa is more important than this Walt Kelly...

"This Walt Kelly"... (Sigh!) Sigvald, read Don's posting titled "DCML
Digest Issue 15" again. And seeing as how there have been very few Kelly
comics printed in the weekly over the last 50 plus years, you can't
really say *anything* about how "the market" feels about Walt Kelly.

Lars

Sigvald Grøsfjeld jr. wrote:

>> I'm sure if you had a comicshop and you knew
>> you could sell these comics for 5 times
>> as much as the usual ones, then you would...
>
> Well I actually see that as gread, but then I am not a Swedish social
> democrat either...

This is the second time in a little more than 12 hours that you've made
a swipe at Swedish social democrats. Since you seem to believe politics
is on-topic here, maybe you would tell us how *your* political leanings
are?

After that, we can continue our discussion at DCML-talk.

Lars

Olaf Solstrand <olaf at andebyonline.com> wrote:

> May I remind that Don Rosa's last visit to
> Scandinavia was in October 2002?

I know that Olaf, the main difference is that he brought Ann with him to
Italy, I can't remember that she has ever followed him to Scandinavia. I
just wanted to tell him that she is welcome here too.

> And, to make it all clear: Can you please
> explain what you mean about "fictional". I ask
> because I'm confused. You say very clearly that
> D 96325 is fictional, but you still use facts
> from this story in your "Lives and Times in
> Duckburg".

All this is carefully explained in my aticle in DDF(R)appet #2, but I can
explain it again - shortly:
When I did "The Lives and Times in Duckburg" I discovered that some stories
didn't fit in the "official" timeline. D 96325 is such a story. It takes
place in 1952 before Flintheart and Magica turned up in Barks' version of
the things. It's a great story! The references to older times in that story
don't contradict the "official" timeline so there is no reason to not
including them in "The Lives and Times in Duckburg". Well, even Barks did
some fictional or immaginary stories - such as when he shows a 6 meter high
guy from Duckburg or populated asteroids.

Hope this saticfies your curiosity, Olaf :-)

> Miss Typefast's

Miss Quackfaster, Olaf! Her name is Miss Emily Quackfaster!

> But, this is Don Rosa. As we have discussed
> earlier, Della according to gave birth to Huey,
> Dewey and Louie at age fifteen.

Della would have been born lates 1923 - HD&L are said to be born in 1940 -
that makes her at least 17...

> ....but still: Why is moral so important?

Ask Egmont or Disney - they are the ones who changes vodka into limonade...

> This is a Don Rosa story. Don't you love Don
> Rosa exactly because he tries to show the REAL
> WORLD? Well, in the real world, immorality DOES
> happen.

Yes, and people does drink stronger stuff than limonade...

> Also: I seem to remember that one CAN be
> married before the age of 18 [in the western
> world] - as long as you have your parents'
> permission and signatures to do so. I may be
> remembering wrong, but...

No, you're reight, but it's not enough with the parents' signaures
acceptance from the authorities are needed too.

> First: But that does not have ANYTHING with
> David Gerstein and others working in ECN to do,
> does it?

At least David was the one who kindly told DCML that "Fiscal Fitness" and
"Rocket Reverie" was eventually about to be published in Scandinavia.

> What I meant to say was: "Please mention author
> and/or story code when talking about a story,
> not just the title". It's not obvious that
> everything we say has to do with Don Rosa.

OK - point taken, Olaf!

> ....and people will still buy them. Because
> it's Don Rosa.

So Don Rosa is important after all, Olaf?
Other times you say that he is *not* more important than other
Disney-artists... Theory (DCML) and practic policy (the market) seems
sometimes to contradict each other, maybe that's what keep confusing me.

Sigvald