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SRoweCanoe
In a message dated 7/6/2003 11:11:16 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
ZeldasTriforce at aol.com writes:

> Speaking of Vic Lockman, for years, I had gone to the restaurant Shoney's.
> And they have these cartoon characters on their kids meals like Shoney Bear,
> a raccoon, etc. And it was only recently that I learned that Lockman drew
> those characters. When I compared the art to his Duck stories, it was obvious.
> It's amazing that I grew up with those Shoney's characters for so long, not
> knowing that one of the Duck artists I knew of, had drew them.
>

the only shoney's bear comic book had Lockman's name signed on them.....

(of course i was an adult when shoneys switched from big boy comics to
shoneybear - you young people!)
Sigvald Grøsfjeld Jr.
ZeldasTriforce at aol.com wrote:

> I don't think Barks even owned a TV until the
> 1970's or so(thus cutting down on his chances
> of having seen the episode).

FYI: TV came to Norway in 1960, but was available in the USA many years
before that. In the famous "Back to the Future" movie-trilogy from the
1980's it is well documented that TV exited in the USA back in 1955. IMO it
would be obvious that an enlightened man like Barks would have had TV a long
time before 1960 otherwise he couldn't have followed closely important
incidents like the Cuba crises, the murders of JFK, Marin Luther King and
RFK, and the moon-landing all during the 1960's. And no matter how bad Dell
may have paid him it's no reason to believe that Barks wouldn't afford to by
a TV.

Sigvald
Daniel Van Eijmeren
(The end of this otherwise off-topic email contains a new Barks quote.)

OLAF SOLSTRAND to me, 06-07-2003:

> Just a signature, that's all...
>
> ...picked from an episode of The Simpsons. A man gets Bart, Milhouse,
> Nelson and Ralph to start a boyband (I think their Boyband voices are
> dubbed by N'Sync). Their number one hit is "Drop Da Bomb", where the
> refrain is Asian women singing "Yvan Eht Nioj". Lisa then discovers
> subliminal messages are being sent out through the boyband to get
> people join the Navy.

:-D

I love this kind of humour! Too bad I always miss my favourite
television-programmes. Mostly I'm just in time to see the end-credits
rolling off the screen. Then I always hope they are the begin-credits,
but no.

> Noitisiuqni Hsinaps the stcepxe ydobon!

You'd better do this backwards Monty Python reference over again, Olaf.
You made a mistake with "the".

--- Dani?l

"Tch! Tch! Maybe the next one will drop in my hand!"
(Which Barks story?)
Daniel Van Eijmeren
NILS KLARTEKST to me, 06-07-2003:

>> "THIS is getting monotonous!" (Donald Duck)
>>
>> Hint: This story features a Gyro Gearloose invention. Gyro is
>> mentioned, but does not appear in this story. At the end of the
>> story, Gyro is mentioned again. About a deal, this time.
>> New hint: The story refers to a dinner.

> I had given up this one, but your new hint did the trick: It's
> from "The Custard Gun", WDC186.

Indeed! It's the custard gun story. The code is WDC 183, though.
(WDC 186 is the ice taxis story.)

> Gyro has invented a gun that shoots custard goolets. This is
> supposed to be a more humane form of hunting. The idea is to
> blind the game with the custard and then hog-tie it while it's
> helpless. When I read this as a kid, I remeber thinking it was
> not very logical. You're still going to kill and eat the game in
> the end aren't you? Do you also have to humiliate it first?

Nice observation, though I do think there's a difference between
killing an animal on a distance, and killing a caught animal. From
a distance it's easier to miss, or to shoot on the wrong place, so
the animal can get wounded instead off killed. And if the wounded
animal gets away, it may get a horrible death.

The custard gun avoids this, although I don't know what cruelty
will happen if an escaped temporarily blinded animal gets attacked
by another animal...

However, I think that the custard gun is a way to be able to make
a Disney story about shooting animals. There's another such story,
Jungle Bungle (WDC 259), in which Donald uses arrows that don't kill
the animals. One type of arrows puts them asleep, and the other type
of arrows wakes them up.

> For anyone who has access to the story: Dig it out and look again
> at panel four on the last page. It's one of the funniest panels
> in comic book history.

It's very funny, indeed. I'm not very enthusiastic about the rest
of the story, though. There's too much discussing about what that
failing custard gun can do, and about what it cannot do. It takes
the pace out of the story, IMHO. The *main* reason for not being
enthusiastic about the story, could be that the story is badly
reproduced in The Netherlands, with hazy and muddy art. I just
checked the Carl Barks Library, and there the story looks *much*
better. It's a difference of day and night. So, maybe I'll change
my opinion after reading that version.

--- Dani?l
Daniel Van Eijmeren
SIGVALD GROSJFJELD to me, 07-07-2003:

> It's stated by Donald after being creamed himself several times
> by Gyro's new cream-rifle - a new weapon for hunting used to
> blind the animal temporarily instead of killing it. Gyro had to
> buy Donald and the boys a dinner after missing the wall of a barn
> with his own cream rifle (he lost a bet with Donald).

Reading this funny description already makes me much more enthusiastic
about the story.

Comparing the muddy Dutch version with the cleaner Carl Barks Library
version, learns me that the ending of the Dutch version is slightly
different.

Dialogue of the last panel the Carl Barks Library:
nephew 1: "THE SIDE OF A BARN?"
nephew 2: "And he MISSED?"
Donald: "Naturally! Have some more dressing, boys!"

In the Dutch translation, Donald says:
"He hit the woman next door! Have some more mash, boys!"

I find hitting the woman next door, a funnier gag. It hints at Gyro
getting into the same trouble as Donald had during the story.

Or am I overlooking a joke in the original dialogue? Does "dressing"
have a double meaning, for example? Or could the dressing be custard?
Last year I've had a Thanksgiving diner here in The Netherlands,
prepared by an American girl. I liked it very much, but I also found
it unimaginable sweet and mighty. So, I really wouldn't be surprised
if American people put custard over their turkeys. Can someone let
me know if that's the case?

I'm curious for comments.

--- Dani?l
Kriton Kyrimis
DANIEL:

> Does "dressing"
> have a double meaning, for example? Or could the dressing be custard?
> Last year I've had a Thanksgiving diner here in The Netherlands,
> prepared by an American girl. I liked it very much, but I also found
> it unimaginable sweet and mighty. So, I really wouldn't be surprised
> if American people put custard over their turkeys. Can someone let
> me know if that's the case?

"Dressing" is otherwise known as "stuffing", i.e., it is the stuff you put
inside a bird before roasting, and which you then serve as a side dish. If I
am not mistaken, the most popular poultry dressing in the US is bread-based,
i.e., it is simply pieces of bread mixed with seasonings. When cooked, it
turns into a kind of flavorful mash, which isn't sweet. In Greece, we use a
different kind of dressing, with rice, ground meat, and various kinds of fruit
and nuts. If you include the fruit (usually raisins, some also add prunes,
Beagle Boy fashion), then the Greek version can be sweet, but I doubt whether
Donald and the kids had this kind of dressing with their turkey!

Kriton (e-mail: kyrimis at cti.gr)
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Eta Beta
... and here's yet another proof

============================================================

By the time I reached College age, I'd given up all hope of
flying like Superman, but I was never able to develop a
burning desire for an alternative occupation. When I was a
kid I read Donald Duck and Uncle Scrooge comics. Uncle Scrooge
was always going off to exotic places in search of gold.
After Scrooge got the gold, he'd take it back to his money bin
and push his loose change around with a bulldozer.
Now this was my idea of a good job. Go on an adventure.
Bring back gold. Push it around with a bulldozer. How fun
is this? So you can possibly see the reason for my lack of
motivation to get grades. I mean, do you really need good
grades to drive a bulldozer?

============================================================

:-)

Just for the record, this comes from "Hard Eight", by Janet
Evanovich, eight chapter in the saga of Stephanie Plum, bounty
hunter extraordinaire, and a fun reading thoroughly.

Cheers!

Eta Beta
Olivier
Hi everyone!

Nils:

>>> For anyone who has access to the story: Dig it out and look again
>>> at panel four on the last page. It's one of the funniest panels
>>> in comic book history.
*digdigdig*
"Oh brother! What a picture that would make!" :D
For some reason, it had me dig for "Mythical Menagerie" and have a look at
the splash panel on p9. Hilarious story.

Arthur, Dani?l, Arthur:

>>>> And I also remember that nice Zorro's TV episode where Don Diego
>>> > plays an organ in a Catholic church.

>>> Reading this, I'm tended to think that in Barks' "The Phantom of
>>> Notre Duck" (US 60), the phantom looks and acts a bit like Zorro.
>>> Could this mean that Barks's story may have been inspired by this
>>> Zorro episode, or by a comic book adaption of that episode, in case
>>> any exists?

>> About that Zorro episode, "Zorro rides to the Mission",
>> it was aired in 10/24/57 (and was beautifully coloured
>> in 1992). I'm not sure it has served as inspiration
>> for Barks, although it has never ocurred me since now
>> that yes, Barks's phantom looks and acts a bit like
>> Zorro, swinging on a bell rope, making tricks on
>> Garcia and soldiers, and wearing of course a black costume and mask...

Dell comics published the "Zorro" comic book, which featured adaptations of
the episode.
I have "The Complete Classic Adventures of Zorro by Alex Toth" (Image
omics; 1 volume; 2nd printing, Oct 2001), and below is a link to p 9 (p53 in
the book) of "The Ghost of the Mission" (part 1).
http://bobcat74.free.fr/pix/zorro53
This is the part where Don Diego is playing the organ.

As for "The Phantom of Notre Duck", I guess Barks' main sources of
inspiration were really the literary figures already cited rather than
Zorro; though there is something of Zorro too in a sense, indeed.

Stop reading here if you don't want the answer (well, I think) to Dani?l's
new quiz!

Treasure Hunt!
In which (Barks) story (stories?) does Donald use a geiger counter & what
for?

Have a nice week!

Olivier

PS:

Now for the true purpose of this message :D--

>>> "Tch! Tch! Maybe the next one will drop in my hand!"
>>> (Which Barks story?)

The one in a Disneyland album where, precisely, Gyro & Gus leave Disneyland
in the very first panel. they find a planet of lazy Gus-like creatures who
spend their days loafing around (though this is even too active a way of
phrasing it).
They just lie under trees, waiting for fruits to drop in their laps-- or
better, their hands; hence the quote.
An apple falls in Gus' hand-- "Begiunner's luck!" (if I remember
correctly).
Great story.
Reprinted in one of the Gyro albums-- but I am just too lazy to find out
which.
Gunnarsson, Joakim SE - HMJ
Sigvald wrote:
> And no matter how bad Dell
> may have paid him it's no reason to believe that Barks wouldn't afford to
> by
> a TV.
>
Not all people want's to watch TV, ya know...
Myself I prefer radio. That way I still can draw/ink while listening
to the news or other radioshows.

/Joakim Gunnarsson.
Timo Ronkainen
Sigvald wrote:
>1980's it is well documented that TV exited in the USA back in 1955. IMO it
>would be obvious that an enlightened man like Barks would have had TV a
>long

I recall reading Barks' letter from 1970's which was printed in CBL in L and
there he stated that he doesn't own TV-set. Someone who has acces to those
CBL-albums can find that specific letter and perhaps cite it her.

Timo

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SRoweCanoe
In a message dated 7/7/2003 9:56:16 AM Eastern Standard Time, Joakim.Gunnarsson at egmont.se writes:

> Not all people want's to watch TV, ya know...

Indeed, i loaned my TV to my mother 5 years ago....
and only watch tv on vacation! (in a hotel)

by the way, it wasnt Dell who paid Barks, but Western Publishing....

Steven Rowe
SRoweCanoe at aol.com
Chuck Munson
Hi Everyone,

A quick OT note for the gastronomes in the audience.
Stuffing, which is also known as dressing, is indeed a
side dish for turkey, be it for Thanksgiving or any
other time. Stuffing is normally bread-based and
mixed with varying spices, but it has an infinite
number of varieties and most families who serve it
will have their favorites. The consistancy can range
from a mix of identifiable ingredients to an almost
pudding-like blend. My mom's included bite-sized
bread cubes moistened with chicken broth and melted
butter, with minced carrot, celery, and onion, and
seasoned with sage, parsley, salt and pepper. Some
other recipes I've heard of include oysters or dried
cranberries. Outside of the dried cranberries, I am
not aware of dressing being overly sweet. Hope this
helps with this tasty holiday tradition.

Culinarily yours,
Chuck Munson
Oak Hill VA 20171

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Paolo Castagno
> A quick OT note for the gastronomes in the audience.
> Stuffing, which is also known as dressing,

And it reminds me of an (off topic) Laurel & Hardy short, where
the guys are hired as waiters in an elegant house, and at the end
of the dinner Stan is requested to serve an undressed salad...
obviously he misunderstand it and comes to serve the salad
wearing only his ... er.... I don't remember the correct English
word... just like Super Goof, you know!

For years this gag wasn't properly trasnslated in Italian (also
because there isn't a way to do it), and it just seemed me a
stupid thing to do...

Ciao,

- Paolo

http://digilander.iol.it/inducks mailto:p.castagno at libero.it
Lars Jensen
> Instead of clicking on the link to play the file, just right-click on
> it (or whatever it is on Mac) and "Save target as".

Brilliant! I tried it, and it works! Thanks to Olivier and Francesco for
helping me out.

And thanks to Timo Ronkainen for posting the URL. It's interesting
hearing Gottfredson himself talk about his work. And now I know how to
pronounce "Taliaferro"... :-)

Lars
Daniel Van Eijmeren
OLIVIER to HARRY FLUKS, ARTHUR FARIA and me, 07-07-2003:

> Dell comics published the "Zorro" comic book, which featured
> adaptations of the episode.
> I have "The Complete Classic Adventures of Zorro by Alex Toth"
> (Image omics; 1 volume; 2nd printing, Oct 2001), and below is a link
> to p 9 (p53 in the book) of "The Ghost of the Mission" (part 1). >
http://bobcat74.free.fr/pix/zorro53
> This is the part where Don Diego is playing the organ.

When was this story "The Ghost of the Mission" (part 1) first published?

> Treasure Hunt!
> In which (Barks) story (stories?) does Donald use a geiger counter &
> what for?

Why only Donald? I think it's interesting to search for all Barks's
geiger counter stories. Here are some of them.

WDC 191 uranium buttons
US 55 lost watch
D/D 2001-004 From Dime to Dime (not mentioned in Barks's idea, though)
JW 13 Gold of the '49ers

And apart from these rather radio-active stories, there are also stories
with witching sticks, which are used as old-fashioned geiger counters.

>> "Tch! Tch! Maybe the next one will drop in my hand!"
>> (Which Barks story?)

> The one in a Disneyland album where, precisely, Gyro & Gus leave
> Disneyland in the very first panel. they find a planet of lazy
> Gus-like creatures who spend their days loafing around (though this
> is even too active a way of phrasing it).

Sigh. Yes, you're right. It's "The Dream Planet" (OS 1025).
I hoped that people would think that I was referring to Gladstone,
making this a difficult quote. Hopefully, one day I'll find such a
horribly hidden quote that I can auction the solution at Ebay. :-)

> They just lie under trees, waiting for fruits to drop in their laps--
> or better, their hands; hence the quote.

Just like my quote dropped in your lap, eh? :-)

> An apple falls in Gus' hand-- "Begiunner's luck!" (if I remember
> correctly).

Indeed. (Spelling mistakes not included.)

> Great story.

I like it, too. That dream planet is a nice object for giving a very fast
visual overview of the history of civilization as we know it.

--- Dani?l

"Come on, you cowards! Have a race to see who comes in SECOND!"
(Which Barks story?)
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