Lars Jensen wrote:
> <<"This Walt Kelly"... (Sigh!) Sigvald, read Don's posting titled "DCML
> Digest Issue 15" again. And seeing as how there have been very few Kelly
> comics printed in the weekly over the last 50 plus years, you can't
> really say *anything* about how "the market" feels about Walt Kelly.>>
>
Speaking as an American AND as a Walt Kelly fan: NEVER look a gift Kelly
story in the mouth. Would that Kelly received as much renewed media exposure in
this country as he's being given in Europe with this reprinted story.
Chris Barat
Author
Topic: 200307
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Cebarat
DCML Digest, Vol 5, Issue 18
Message 181 -
2003-07-13 at 03:26:30
Sigvald Grøsfjeld Jr.
DCML Digest, Vol 5, Issue 15
Message 182 -
2003-07-13 at 03:48:46
Lars Jensen <lpj at forfatter.dk> wrote:
>> Well I actually see that as gread, but then
>> I am not a Swedish social democrat either...
>
> This is the second time in a little more than
> 12 hours that you've made a swipe at Swedish
> social democrats. Since you seem to believe
> politics is on-topic here, maybe you would
> tell us how *your* political leanings are?
This is not the place nor the time for such a topic. The only reason I twice
have "made swipes at the Swedish social democrats" is that they are
dominating their society and try to sell Sweden as a country very unlike USA
and other counties with a free market economy. I just wanted to show their
double morality when it comes to market economy - they say that they are
pro-equality but the fact is that there are more millionaires and
billionaires in the social democrat Sweden than in not so social democrat
Denmark and Norway.
Sigvald
>> Well I actually see that as gread, but then
>> I am not a Swedish social democrat either...
>
> This is the second time in a little more than
> 12 hours that you've made a swipe at Swedish
> social democrats. Since you seem to believe
> politics is on-topic here, maybe you would
> tell us how *your* political leanings are?
This is not the place nor the time for such a topic. The only reason I twice
have "made swipes at the Swedish social democrats" is that they are
dominating their society and try to sell Sweden as a country very unlike USA
and other counties with a free market economy. I just wanted to show their
double morality when it comes to market economy - they say that they are
pro-equality but the fact is that there are more millionaires and
billionaires in the social democrat Sweden than in not so social democrat
Denmark and Norway.
Sigvald
Cien2
Importance equals sales?
Message 183 -
2003-07-13 at 07:58:12
Sigvald:
"So Don Rosa is important after all, Olaf?
Other times you say that he is *not* more important than other
Disney-artists... Theory (DCML) and practic policy (the market) seems
sometimes to contradict each other, maybe that's what keep confusing me."
I'm not really sure how to address this but i want to pointed out that NOT always higher sales means better quality/importance.
Kelly's works might NOT sell high compared to Don's but that does not automatically mean he's less important. He might be less important to you but he might be more important in the Disney comics history than you might have think.
But Sigvald, you can safely interpret high sales of Don's works means more people are interested in reading Don's works compared to Kelly's but i dont see the less amount of people reading/interested in kelly's works mean that's Kelly is less important than Don.
I guess i can say the same for any other Disney comic artists (not just Walt Kelly).
Keep On Quacking,
Arie Fachrisal who still havent watch finding Nemo :-(
"So Don Rosa is important after all, Olaf?
Other times you say that he is *not* more important than other
Disney-artists... Theory (DCML) and practic policy (the market) seems
sometimes to contradict each other, maybe that's what keep confusing me."
I'm not really sure how to address this but i want to pointed out that NOT always higher sales means better quality/importance.
Kelly's works might NOT sell high compared to Don's but that does not automatically mean he's less important. He might be less important to you but he might be more important in the Disney comics history than you might have think.
But Sigvald, you can safely interpret high sales of Don's works means more people are interested in reading Don's works compared to Kelly's but i dont see the less amount of people reading/interested in kelly's works mean that's Kelly is less important than Don.
I guess i can say the same for any other Disney comic artists (not just Walt Kelly).
Keep On Quacking,
Arie Fachrisal who still havent watch finding Nemo :-(
Fabio Blanco
New censorship in Majarajah Donald??
Message 184 -
2003-07-13 at 09:49:36
> Who knows which story this Barks - Burbank quotation is
> from:
> "Don't! Don't make me walk the plank! Let me go back
> to Burbank!"
> Best wishes, Larry Giver.
Is "Florida's Flophouses", the one when Uncle Walt sent Carl Duck to rescue
a pearl from the claws of the Pirates of the Caribbean.
(sounds like something cryed for some public of the movie )
jokingly FABIO
bonvolu postu al longtom at oeste.com.ar
> from:
> "Don't! Don't make me walk the plank! Let me go back
> to Burbank!"
> Best wishes, Larry Giver.
Is "Florida's Flophouses", the one when Uncle Walt sent Carl Duck to rescue
a pearl from the claws of the Pirates of the Caribbean.
(sounds like something cryed for some public of the movie )
jokingly FABIO
bonvolu postu al longtom at oeste.com.ar
Lars Jensen
Cash Flow
Message 185 -
2003-07-13 at 11:55:19
Sigvald Grøsfjeld jr. wrote:
>> What should they do about it? Force the
>> Norwegians to reprint a story they've only
>> recently published?
>
> 1992 is not recently anymore - its 11 years ago...
It is 11 years ago *now*, yes. You wrote "they seem to keep ignoring"
the story. I'm simply saying that if they *are* ignoring it, they've
begun only recently. Before then, they couldn't have used the story
anyway.
> the one mentioning the Walt Kelly story in the first place didn't
> mention that it was only 4 pages - so I had to assume that it was a
> part of the summer reading pages
It is. But it's only a filler in the back of the extra.
>> Sigvald, do you seriously believe Don's
>> "Cash Flow" hasn't been printed in Denmark
>> because a one-pager of the same name was
>> used by the Danes in the mid-90s?!?
>
> No, but I can see that by using the same title for two stories can be
> confusing - what if they serached and concluded that "ah that story is
> already published"...
Nah, only if they *really* screwed up. I don't think that has happened
here.
Lars
>> What should they do about it? Force the
>> Norwegians to reprint a story they've only
>> recently published?
>
> 1992 is not recently anymore - its 11 years ago...
It is 11 years ago *now*, yes. You wrote "they seem to keep ignoring"
the story. I'm simply saying that if they *are* ignoring it, they've
begun only recently. Before then, they couldn't have used the story
anyway.
> the one mentioning the Walt Kelly story in the first place didn't
> mention that it was only 4 pages - so I had to assume that it was a
> part of the summer reading pages
It is. But it's only a filler in the back of the extra.
>> Sigvald, do you seriously believe Don's
>> "Cash Flow" hasn't been printed in Denmark
>> because a one-pager of the same name was
>> used by the Danes in the mid-90s?!?
>
> No, but I can see that by using the same title for two stories can be
> confusing - what if they serached and concluded that "ah that story is
> already published"...
Nah, only if they *really* screwed up. I don't think that has happened
here.
Lars
Daniel Van Eijmeren
Politics (OT)
Message 186 -
2003-07-13 at 13:21:35
LARS JENSEN to SIGVALD GROSFJELD, 13-07-2003:
> Since you seem to believe politics is on-topic here, maybe you
> would tell us how *your* political leanings are?
Lars, why do you invite Sigvald to continue an off-topic subject
about - of all things - POLITICS?
> After that, we can continue our discussion at DCML-talk.
After what? After the atmosphere is ruined once more?
Please don't do this again.
--- Dani?l
> Since you seem to believe politics is on-topic here, maybe you
> would tell us how *your* political leanings are?
Lars, why do you invite Sigvald to continue an off-topic subject
about - of all things - POLITICS?
> After that, we can continue our discussion at DCML-talk.
After what? After the atmosphere is ruined once more?
Please don't do this again.
--- Dani?l
Daniel Van Eijmeren
A Little Something "Fictional"
Message 187 -
2003-07-13 at 13:50:13
SIGVALD GROSFJELD to me, 12-07-2003:
>> I was NOT referring to *any* contradiction between Rosa and Barks.
>> Instead, I was referring to the contradiction in YOUR information.
> What contradiction???
Read back the discussion. I don't want to start all over again.
--- Dani?l
>> I was NOT referring to *any* contradiction between Rosa and Barks.
>> Instead, I was referring to the contradiction in YOUR information.
> What contradiction???
Read back the discussion. I don't want to start all over again.
--- Dani?l
Olaf Solstrand
DCML Digest, Vol 5, Issue 15
Message 188 -
2003-07-13 at 14:11:34
K?bevis Naitsirhc Sredna:
> > Issue 29 - Let me exclamate: Hooray! The reason
> > isn't the republication of Don's On Stolen time,
> > no, finally they print Don's old drawings (from
> > Gary Leach's story) Fiscal fitness (AR 118).
>
Roinuj. Dlejfs?rg Dlavgis:
> Great news! But why do they announce "On Stolen Time" in issue 28 in stead
> of this story that has previously not seen print in Scandinavia? Hard core
> fans like me, Geir J. Netland and others find that much more interesting
> than seeing "On Stolen Time" once more.
>
I see you put your words in the mouth of others again. Go on like this for a
few more mails, and I will pop a bottle of champagne the second you go
lurking again.
Anyhow: I see several reasons why they would rather announce "On Stolen
Time"...
1. "Fiscal Fitness" is a TWO-PAGER.
2. "Fiscal Fitness" is not written by Don Rosa. Don Rosa sells more.
3. They finally got a reason for using that Picsou pin-up. (But why on Earth
didn't they put it on the cover?)
4. Most people are not hard core fans like you and Geir J. Netland.
A comment to my point one: Personally, I think they rather should have
announced W/MM 32 B - "Westward Whoa!", drawn by Paul Murry himself. A
really amusing story, it's longer than "On Stolen Time" (just 3-4 pages,
but...) - and it's never before printed in the Scandinavian weekly, either.
But then again, my point two puts a stop to that.
A comment to my comment to my point one: Question would be, why didn't they
announce MORE stories than just this one in DDW28? For a magazine filled
with pearls like this... I personally liked D 2002-132, D 2000-124 and D
99131 very well, too - so why announce only ONE story? OK, I guess my point
three can be a reason to that.
A comment to my point two: In respect of the DCML I refuse to pick a
personal favorite amongst two people both active in the forum I'm
addressing - but Don Rosa being more popular than Gary Leach in Norway is
practically a fact...
> > Issue 29 - Let me exclamate: Hooray! The reason
> > isn't the republication of Don's On Stolen time,
> > no, finally they print Don's old drawings (from
> > Gary Leach's story) Fiscal fitness (AR 118).
>
Roinuj. Dlejfs?rg Dlavgis:
> Great news! But why do they announce "On Stolen Time" in issue 28 in stead
> of this story that has previously not seen print in Scandinavia? Hard core
> fans like me, Geir J. Netland and others find that much more interesting
> than seeing "On Stolen Time" once more.
>
I see you put your words in the mouth of others again. Go on like this for a
few more mails, and I will pop a bottle of champagne the second you go
lurking again.
Anyhow: I see several reasons why they would rather announce "On Stolen
Time"...
1. "Fiscal Fitness" is a TWO-PAGER.
2. "Fiscal Fitness" is not written by Don Rosa. Don Rosa sells more.
3. They finally got a reason for using that Picsou pin-up. (But why on Earth
didn't they put it on the cover?)
4. Most people are not hard core fans like you and Geir J. Netland.
A comment to my point one: Personally, I think they rather should have
announced W/MM 32 B - "Westward Whoa!", drawn by Paul Murry himself. A
really amusing story, it's longer than "On Stolen Time" (just 3-4 pages,
but...) - and it's never before printed in the Scandinavian weekly, either.
But then again, my point two puts a stop to that.
A comment to my comment to my point one: Question would be, why didn't they
announce MORE stories than just this one in DDW28? For a magazine filled
with pearls like this... I personally liked D 2002-132, D 2000-124 and D
99131 very well, too - so why announce only ONE story? OK, I guess my point
three can be a reason to that.
A comment to my point two: In respect of the DCML I refuse to pick a
personal favorite amongst two people both active in the forum I'm
addressing - but Don Rosa being more popular than Gary Leach in Norway is
practically a fact...
Daniel Van Eijmeren
A whole bunch of stuff
Message 189 -
2003-07-13 at 14:45:11
OLAF SOLSTRAND to SIGVALD GROSFJELD, 12-07-2003:
> I know of D 93287, but as you said "typhical anniversary story",
> I assume there are others of those as well?
>
> Is D 97437 "fictional"? Is D 93574? Is D 97052? Is D 2000-191? Is
> D 2001-143? Those are the "anniversary stories" I know of by Don
> Rosa... are they fictional?
Mentioning story-codes without any titles/descriptions makes your
comments hard to follow.
Your list of mentioned stories at the end of your email didn't work
for me. It needs too looking/scrolling up and down.
I'm glad you find codes important, though. Mentioning them makes
searching through INDUCKS much easier.
--- Dani?l
> I know of D 93287, but as you said "typhical anniversary story",
> I assume there are others of those as well?
>
> Is D 97437 "fictional"? Is D 93574? Is D 97052? Is D 2000-191? Is
> D 2001-143? Those are the "anniversary stories" I know of by Don
> Rosa... are they fictional?
Mentioning story-codes without any titles/descriptions makes your
comments hard to follow.
Your list of mentioned stories at the end of your email didn't work
for me. It needs too looking/scrolling up and down.
I'm glad you find codes important, though. Mentioning them makes
searching through INDUCKS much easier.
--- Dani?l
SRoweCanoe
Walt Kelly
Message 190 -
2003-07-13 at 15:09:58
In a message dated 7/13/2003 12:59:24 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
cien2 at cbn.net.id writes:
> Kelly's works might NOT sell high compared to Don's but that does not
> automatically mean he's less important. He might be less important to you but he
> might be more important in the Disney comics history than you might have
> think.
>
> But Sigvald, you can safely interpret high sales of Don's works means more
> people are interested in reading Don's works compared to Kelly's but i dont
> see the less amount of people reading/interested in kelly's works mean that's
> Kelly is less important than Don.
>
Hard to believe that some folks on this list (or is it just one folk?)
believe that "Walt Kelly" is an unimportant artist. In the USA, Kelly is
generally considered one of the greatest comic strip artists of the 20th Century ---
-- certainly his name recognition factor among the general public is well
above Barks or Rosa ---
sure is odd how things are different....
there is even an annual festival held about Kelly.
steven rowe
cien2 at cbn.net.id writes:
> Kelly's works might NOT sell high compared to Don's but that does not
> automatically mean he's less important. He might be less important to you but he
> might be more important in the Disney comics history than you might have
> think.
>
> But Sigvald, you can safely interpret high sales of Don's works means more
> people are interested in reading Don's works compared to Kelly's but i dont
> see the less amount of people reading/interested in kelly's works mean that's
> Kelly is less important than Don.
>
Hard to believe that some folks on this list (or is it just one folk?)
believe that "Walt Kelly" is an unimportant artist. In the USA, Kelly is
generally considered one of the greatest comic strip artists of the 20th Century ---
-- certainly his name recognition factor among the general public is well
above Barks or Rosa ---
sure is odd how things are different....
there is even an annual festival held about Kelly.
steven rowe
Daniel Van Eijmeren
Censorship in Majarajah Donald / Larry's Barks quote
Message 191 -
2003-07-13 at 15:17:25
LARRY GIVER to GARY LEACH and HARRY FLUKS, 12-07-2003:
> Gary Leach claimed that at Gemstone they had to make one minor
> change in the dialogue for the new Free Comic Book Day reprint
> of Majarajah Donald. [...] by re-reading this story carefully,
> I noticed this story has one of several Barks' use of Burbank,
> California (page 11, panel 7) as the Ducks' home.
What is wrong about mentioning Burbank? Why did that need to be
censored?
> [Barks] did this in his first few years before locating them
> permanently in Duckburg, Calisota.
I hope that this is not a reason, standarizing information in
Barks reprints! That would take them out of their historical
context and development.
> Who knows which story this Barks - Burbank quotation is from:
> "Don't! Don't make me walk the plank! Let me go back to Burbank!"
The nightmares story (WDC 101). One of my favourite Barks stories!
Donald: "I'm trapped! I either have to give that talk on crocheting
or throw myself to the sharks!"
And then, Donald continues with: "One side, you hankering herrings!
I know which deal is the least worst!"
:-D
--- Dani?l
> Gary Leach claimed that at Gemstone they had to make one minor
> change in the dialogue for the new Free Comic Book Day reprint
> of Majarajah Donald. [...] by re-reading this story carefully,
> I noticed this story has one of several Barks' use of Burbank,
> California (page 11, panel 7) as the Ducks' home.
What is wrong about mentioning Burbank? Why did that need to be
censored?
> [Barks] did this in his first few years before locating them
> permanently in Duckburg, Calisota.
I hope that this is not a reason, standarizing information in
Barks reprints! That would take them out of their historical
context and development.
> Who knows which story this Barks - Burbank quotation is from:
> "Don't! Don't make me walk the plank! Let me go back to Burbank!"
The nightmares story (WDC 101). One of my favourite Barks stories!
Donald: "I'm trapped! I either have to give that talk on crocheting
or throw myself to the sharks!"
And then, Donald continues with: "One side, you hankering herrings!
I know which deal is the least worst!"
:-D
--- Dani?l
Frank Bubacz
Burbank / Duckburg
Message 192 -
2003-07-13 at 15:55:27
Hi,
Being largely unfamiliar with the original versions of the Barks stories, I
find it surprising that Donald still mentions Burbank as his location in WDC
101 (Donald Duck's Worst Nightmare). I knew of its mention in the early
story Maharadjah Donald, but if Burbank still is mentioned as late as 1949,
I begin to wonder: Is WDC 49 (High Wire Daredevils) the only 1940s story
that makes Duckburg the hometown of the ducks? And from when on was the name
Duckburg used regularly?
Frank
_________________________________________________________________
MSN - More Useful Every Day http://www.msn.de
Being largely unfamiliar with the original versions of the Barks stories, I
find it surprising that Donald still mentions Burbank as his location in WDC
101 (Donald Duck's Worst Nightmare). I knew of its mention in the early
story Maharadjah Donald, but if Burbank still is mentioned as late as 1949,
I begin to wonder: Is WDC 49 (High Wire Daredevils) the only 1940s story
that makes Duckburg the hometown of the ducks? And from when on was the name
Duckburg used regularly?
Frank
_________________________________________________________________
MSN - More Useful Every Day http://www.msn.de
Sigvald Grøsfjeld Jr.
Walt Kelly
Message 193 -
2003-07-13 at 16:59:46
SRoweCanoe at aol.com wrote:
> Hard to believe that some folks on this
> list (or is it just one folk?) believe
> that "Walt Kelly" is an unimportant
> artist. In the USA, Kelly is generally
> considered one of the greatest comic strip
> artists of the 20th Century ---
> --- certainly his name recognition factor
> among the general public is well above Barks
> or Rosa... there is even an annual festival
> held about Kelly.
Well, in America Disney Comics are sold in just a few thousands - in
Scandinavia it's sold in hundreds of thousands - thus I have a bigger trust
in the Disney-reading Scandinavian general public in this matter than in the
non-Disney-reading general American public - but that's just my personal
opinion.
Besides I prefer long stories, not short strips - but that's just my
personal view on things.
Sigvald
> Hard to believe that some folks on this
> list (or is it just one folk?) believe
> that "Walt Kelly" is an unimportant
> artist. In the USA, Kelly is generally
> considered one of the greatest comic strip
> artists of the 20th Century ---
> --- certainly his name recognition factor
> among the general public is well above Barks
> or Rosa... there is even an annual festival
> held about Kelly.
Well, in America Disney Comics are sold in just a few thousands - in
Scandinavia it's sold in hundreds of thousands - thus I have a bigger trust
in the Disney-reading Scandinavian general public in this matter than in the
non-Disney-reading general American public - but that's just my personal
opinion.
Besides I prefer long stories, not short strips - but that's just my
personal view on things.
Sigvald
Sigvald Grøsfjeld Jr.
About hard core Rosa-fans
Message 194 -
2003-07-13 at 17:04:27
Olaf Solstrand <olaf at andebyonline.com> wrote:
> I see you put your words in the mouth of others
> again.
Sorry, Olaf, but Geir being a hard core Rosa-fan and Rosa-completist is
practically a fact...
> 3. They finally got a reason for using that
> Picsou pin-up.
There is a pin-up for Cash Flow as well...
Sigvald
> I see you put your words in the mouth of others
> again.
Sorry, Olaf, but Geir being a hard core Rosa-fan and Rosa-completist is
practically a fact...
> 3. They finally got a reason for using that
> Picsou pin-up.
There is a pin-up for Cash Flow as well...
Sigvald
Sigvald Grøsfjeld Jr.
DCML Digest Issue 15
Message 195 -
2003-07-13 at 17:10:43
Don Rosa <donrosa at iglou.com> wrote:
> First, you criticize the Swedish editors
> because they don't print my long stories
> that have never been broken into chapters
> by the central division of Egmont...
This is not entirely correct:
There does exit a multi-part version of "The Lost Charts of Columbus", but
still the Swedes have never seen that story...
"The Duck who Never was" was according to Stefan Di?s, dropped because
someone didn't like it...
Sigvald
> First, you criticize the Swedish editors
> because they don't print my long stories
> that have never been broken into chapters
> by the central division of Egmont...
This is not entirely correct:
There does exit a multi-part version of "The Lost Charts of Columbus", but
still the Swedes have never seen that story...
"The Duck who Never was" was according to Stefan Di?s, dropped because
someone didn't like it...
Sigvald