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Fredrik Ekman
Arthur wrote:

> I think Disney comics were just very hard to find in the area you
>were visiting!

Quite possibly so. I can only tell you that I visited a couple of dozen
smaller shops and kiosks as well as one or two major department stores and
the only things I found were the Olé! Disney albums, Disney story books
and Italian(!) Disney comic books.

/F
David Johnson
I recived your'e letter. I under stand now. Boy that was a long letter
that you sent me please write to (Email removed) that is all.

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Harry Fluks
JONATHAN:
> You mentioned once on the list that the Dutch album of "Lo$" had a text page
> that even went so far as to explain a previous translation of a CB story had
> been in error. What was that, specifically?

Uncle Jake in "A Christmas for Shacktown" was called Zebedeus in the Barks
story, and Jacob in the family tree and in the Lo$ translations.

--Harry.
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On Oct 1, 5:39pm, Jakob Söderbaum wrote:
> Subject: Re: Disney comics Digest V96 #211
> Hi again, gang!
>
> Harry has so many Dutch DD weeklies, that he always needs
> to give away lots and lots of them to have room for more...
> Seeing him in Holland half a year ago, I couldn't get away
> with less than 5 of them...
>
I can confirm that observation. When I saw Harry in Holland
last year ago, he brought with him a great pile of Dutch DD
weeklies and let me pick out the ones I wanted. Unfortunately,
David Gerstein had been there earlier and had already picked
out the really good ones...(insert smiling emoticon here --
I am making funny!)

--Dwight Decker

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Harry Fluks
DON:
> Thanks for the landmarks. Didn't that T-shaped building burn down?

Jakob:
> Who cares? I believe you're still ignoring what happened to "landmarks like
> the Money Bin and the such in different stories, different ways" arentcha?

And I might add that you show the golden fleece in several stories in the form
of a fleece, in stead of the suit Scrooge made of it. And the cracked garden wall
is on the wrong side of Gyro's house. And the old guy in the Andes wasn't
blind anymore. And...
Well, why bother about that burt building? They re-built it! 8-)

JAKOB:
>> I think you should include Ludvig - besides his Italian appearances
> There's no reason for Don to include him, since he wasn't on his DD family-
> tree... (though everyone here knows he's $crooge's cousin).

What? First you insist LVD is Huey, Dewey and Louie's father, and now he is
Scrooge's cousin? Why?
Don Rosa says LVD married Mathilda, which makes him Scrooge's brother-in-law.

> I once read (in some Kalle Ankas Pocket) Victor Hugo's "Les Miserables" with
> the Ducks instead of the original characters ($crooge being Jean Valjean).
> Is this one also included, and mentioned as being "plotted by Victor Hugo"?

Why don't you see for yourself? The database is available as ftp files.

> Didn't you ever read Rosa's, (ehm, written by *Barks*) "The Pied Piper of
> Duckburg"? At least *I* noticed the Ludwig von Drake in panel 3, page 3...

Just for the record: Barks only wrote (and penciled) the first 3 pages of this
story. And Von Drake appears on page *4*.

> Harry has so many Dutch DD weeklies, that he always need to give away lots
> and lots of them to have room for more! He never goes anywhere without his
> gigantic box, filled to the top with old weeklies! (Am I not right, Harry?)

As Dwight pointed out, it's not filled to the top anymore...

I said:
> The H-code storylist only says there was a code reserved for the story.
["Treasure Under Glass"]

Jakob:
> It'd be nice to have this code for my index! Can you get me the original
> (Dutch) issue?

There is no original Dutch issue. I said the Dutch reserved a code, but then Don
decided to make the story for Egmont. The Dutch code is only in their internal
files, and was never on a printed story.
BTW: why don't you use the WWW Don Rosa index to update your own index?

--Harry.
"It took a squirrel to prove what a nut I was!" (MM in 1930)
Mike Pohjola
DON:
I thought your original idea about getting the Wendigo story
published in USA was to redraw all the Peeweegahs to look a little
different, different nose, different hair-cut, different clothing and
so on and so on. What happened to that option?

MAP OF DUCKBURG:
I think there is at least one published version of the map
of Duckburg. It'd drawn by Dan McIntyre and looks a lot like Donald's
head viewed from the side. I think it contains most of the big landmarks
Barks created like mountains and lakes. (It even has a Barks Pass a bit
south of Duckburg :) The map's bad side, however, is that it's terribly
un-city-like. If Duckburg have that small amount of houses, factories
etc. it would have the population of one thousand or so. (I'll write
down all the Barks landmarks in the map for you, Don!)

--

Mike - The Finnish Trekkie
Dave Rawson
Pieter van Cleef <(Email removed)>:
PvC> Making these kinds of maps, family trees or whatever, means that
PvC> writers and drawers loose there freedom somehow.

Some creators and fans enjoy the exercise of harkening-back to prior
stories. I think these things can be quite fun. Don's brilliant turn on
LIFE OF SCROOGE shows this at its award-winning best. The danger comes
when this becomes the *only* way to tell stories and Don has been
careful to point out that this is just *one way* to tell stories. I
agree with you that what serves the characters, serves the story.

Part of the great charm of Barks' creations was that he was a sly
satirist, and Duckburg was Anywhere USA, and Donald, Gladstone, Daisy,
Scrooge and the nephews were exagerations of folks we all knew in one
form or another. When we laughed at Barks' stories, we were laughing at
ourselves as seen in a Barksian mirror.

That made the steadily encroaching future of real-life a bit less
ponderous because we could see life was just humanity as it had always
been: by turns, ignoble, greedy, small-minded, self-absorbed and
self-pitying, but capable of nobilty, sacrifice and ultimately
surrendering to try and do what's right, even if we can't quite bring it
into being. I really mean no exageration when I claim Barks is on par
with Twain. He is pure Americana, with a love of humanity even at its
most base.

Should continuity cops subvert all that charm with an amber-ossified
canon of facts used to drive out whimsical caprice, it would be a
monumental tragedy, no less that they didn't mean to do so.

--
riverrun past Eve's and Adam's from swerve of shore to bend of bay

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Michael Naiman
ALL:
How many Dutch scripted stories has Don drawn?
Is there a separate index on this?
Jakob Söderbaum
Hiya, folks!
I haven't had the time to write any this week, for a number of reasons. But
now I have...

MARCO:

> When (at the bottom of page
> three) the chief of the factory (whose name sounds like Iravage Theforests)
> misquotes the name of the JW, he calls them "Giovani Marmitte" (Junior
> Mufflers) instead of "Giovani Marmotte" ("Junior Groundhogs", which has
> always been the official italian translation of "Junior Woodchucks"). That's
> really nice.

I agree, even though I don't know Italian.

> (I wonder what it was in the original: Junior Woodchicks, maybe? And how did
> they render it in other languages?)

No, he says: 'I finally caught one of these renegade boy scouts that
are terrorizing the mill -- they call themselves "Junior
Woodchips"!'

OLE:

>> What about the alien guy that live off of bubble gums? ;-) (I don't know
>> if he has an English name, in Sweden he's called Lille Gummi, and he's
>> appeared some times in Kalle Ankas Pocket in made-to-look-like-3D stories.)
>
> I call him Li'l Gum, but I don't know if that's official.

I doubt it.

> The stories
> are drawn by Giulio Chierchini, who has improved over the years:
> I really didn't like the psychotic facial expressions in earlier stories.

How many of these "Li'l Gum"-stories has he made? I know of two or three...

> Dwight:
>> "Do you know why the Dane took a piece of sandpaper out into
>> the desert? 'It was the only map of the place I could find.'"
>> Uh oh! Trouble ahead! The Scandihoovians are telling insulting
>> ethnic jokes about each other!
>
> Don't worry. There's hardly any danger the conflict will escalate
> unless the Norwegians get involved: they can be _really_ funny! :)

In *whose* opinion??! ;-)

DON R.:

> And I used some of those suggestions in the
> backgrounds of panels in "The Incredible Shrinking Tightwad"...?

Which reminds me.. some while ago I sent you suggestions for extra panels
that might be of use to you when you (as you said) wanted to expand the
story for its American print. Do you still have those suggestions?

GEIR:

Hi! Do you remember me? You seem to be the one Norwegian out there who can
help me get a copy of your weekly Donald Duck No. 8/93 and 26/96. Please? :)

CUL8er!
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Greetings from J a k o b
Jakob Söderbaum
Hi, again!

JOACHIM:

> DON:
> Is there a possibility to put the original dialog of "War of the Wendigo"
> on the net?

My dear friend Daniel van Eijmeren in Holland (are you still around, Daniel?)
once transcripted (correct word?) the original dialogue of "WotW" to ASCII-
mode. He sent me (among several others) this file some while ago, and I've
been thinking of having it on my upcoming Rosa-webpage, but I didn't know if
there'd be any interest whatsoever for that. I assume there is?

See ya!
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Greetings from J a k o b
Jakob Söderbaum
Again; Hello!

DON R.:

> JOACHIM:
[...]
> Can't you recall that in 1990-91 ALL the Egmont Disney publishing branches
> started giving full credits on the first page of all their stories in all
> their comics?

That never happened in Sweden...

> KRITON:
> Thanks for the landmarks. Didn't that T-shaped building burn down?

Who cares? I believe you're still ignoring what happened to "landmarks like
the Money Bin and the such in different stories, different ways" arentcha?
You've said that you always "neverminded" that the Money Bin were torn to
pieces, drowned, converted to any other kind of bin etc., in order to tell
the story! If the Money Bin is destroyed in a story, you just 'build it up'
before your next story, why wouldn't you do the same thing with other
landmarks?

See ya all *really* soon! ;-)
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Greetings from J a k o b
Jakob Söderbaum
Yee-hah! More answers:

HARALD:

> DON
> I think you should include Ludvig - besides his Italian appearances
> he is quite commonly known in the German speaking araea - and with
> about 100 million people this is the biggest language-chunk we have
> in Europe. I think a lot of people around here like him because of his
> seemingly German name (Prof. Primus von Quack BTW), making him the
> only duck with German origins. (In some comics it's even claimed, that
> he's from Austria! Yeah!)

There's no reason for Don to include him, since he wasn't on his DD family-
tree... (though everyone here knows he's $crooge's cousin).

> ASS-TIME

Ah! Let's kick sum butt! ;-)

> Now it's my turn to make an ass out of myself...

Please go ahead! ;-)

> "What I always wanted to know, but was to ashamed to ask"-Dept.:
> Pleass would someone explain, what it is exactly that Don puts on page
> 1 of his comics - a D.U.C.K.?

Indeed.

> Does this mean ... in letters?

It's said to mean "Dedicated to Uncla Carl('s work) from Keno"...

GARY:

> PEKKA:
>
> I wish I could tell you about The Duck Man video tape, but I haven't seen
> it. However, I do know more about the tape cover than anyone else on the
> planet!

Because you made it?

ARTHUR:

> About DANIEL VAN EIJMEREN:

Ah! This dear friend o'mine! :)

> I just want to say that Daniel has some problem with his internet provider.
> His provider stopped providing, so now he doesn't have internet-access anymore.

<Gasp!>

> We hope that he'll be on-line again soon. Until then, we'll have to do without
> him here ...

Ugh, we've mannaged so far... ;-)

> If anyone has any important messages for Daniel, he can write me or
> Harry and we'll be able to contact him by phone!

Good. Tell him he's a stingy, greedy old curmudgeon who can't offer to give
me a 2 min. call about this!!! :( I've sent lots and lots of important
(to him) messages during the last month, which he hasn't whispered an answer
to. Also, tell him that "I have both ready to be sent out anytime". He should
be wise enough to figure what I mean by this...

HARRY:

> Per, Jonathan:
>> Surely not being born doesn't stop a person like Oscar Wilde.
>
> Ole Reichstein put a comment [plot:Oscar Wilde] to an Italian story in his
> Danish index. So my database program thinks it's a plotter of a Disney story.
> Maybe we better change this to [after an original story by Oscar Wilde], and
> leave the "plot" and other creator fields for people who worked for Disney.

I once read (in some Kalle Ankas Pocket) Victor Hugo's "Les Miserables" with
the Ducks instead of the original characters ($crooge being Jean Valjean).
Is this one also included, and mentioned as being "plotted by Victor Hugo"?

See ya!
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Greetings from J a k o b
Jakob Söderbaum
Hi!

JOACHIM:

> For me it would be a shock seeing LvD in a Rosa story.

Didn't you ever read Rosa's, (ehm, written by *Barks*) "The Pied Piper of
Duckburg"? At least *I* noticed the Ludwig von Drake in panel 3, page 3...

JONATHAN:

> BTW, want to know what the
> EASIEST Rosa story to find the D. U. C. K. is as far as I know? It's the
> Duck Family Tree.

Is there a D.U.C.K somewhere on the tree?? I never knew!! I have to check it
out, hold on a minute.

[...]

Eh? I can't find it *anywhere*! Can you tell me where it is? (maybe in
private mail, since there might be other guys out there who *doesn't* want
to know...)

See ya again soon!
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Greetings from J a k o b
Jakob Söderbaum
Hi again, gang!

HARRY:

> Dwight:
>> Our
>> European friends who collect the things must have whole rooms
>> full of the weeklies after a few years.
>
> How did you know? You never visited my home when you were in Holland,
> did you? 8-)

Harry has so many Dutch DD weeklies, that he always need to give away lots
and lots of them to have room for more! He never goes anywhere without his
gigantic box, filled to the top with old weeklies! (Am I not right, Harry?)

Seeing him in Holland half a year ago, I couldn't get away with less than
5 of them, though I'll *never* be able to read those comics...

(Still the comics *look* good! ;-) )

See ya again soon (only one digest to go)!
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Greetings from J a k o b
Jakob Söderbaum
A final hi, folks!

HARALD:

>>> Maybe there's even a $crooge (time travel) story there "The Hunt for
>>> the First T(h)aler/Dollar"...? Don?
>> Bringing $crooge to Joachimsthal (Scrooge Valley)? Hm... maybe you remember
>> Don's view on time travel stories.
>
> Well, maybe it doesn't have to be a time travel story... $crooge
> learns abou a (?)contest to find the first "Taler" to celebrate the
> US-Dollar - his hunt leads from Bohemia through Germany the
> Netherlands to England, when he finally finds out in the end, that he
> himself (or somebody else in Duckburgh?) possessed the coin all along!

Hmm, this sounds *very* familiar some way!

> If nobody does it - I will! It seems like a shame to pass an
> opportunity like that!

I think I read something like that just last fall, but this time it was about
some old book! I believe the story was called "Guardians of the Lost Library",
or something. Who was the writer again...?

Rosa! That's it, ROSA!

'Scuse be if I'm sarcastic, but *I* wouldn't find it very interesting to
read a new story on an already used plot. I've done this before in *several*
Disney-comics, and they were just boring. I'm sure it's not only I who has
this opinion. However, the first idea wouldn't be too wrong! Not even for
Rosa himself, who *looooove* making time-travel stories! (I've seen it
myself! In both "Back in Time for a Dime" and that King Arthur story)

DON:

[Harry:]
> The Dutch re-penciled the first page of "On a Silver Platter". Was that the first
> _art_ you submitted to them? And after that, they gave up?

What happened to the first version of that page?

HARRY:

[Don:]
>> I didn't think GP had a actual claim on "Treasure"
>> since I'd never signed a contract nor was I paid for the script
>
> The H-code storylist only says there was a code reserved for the story.
> I don't think that's a "claim". And it also says you weren't paid for it.

It'd be nice to have this code for my index! Can you get me the original
(Dutch) issue?

Afterthought:

While responding to all those digests, I noticed that many of the things I
answered to had been answered by others (like always). But in order to keep
the beautiful length of my letters I didn't delete those. I'm sure
you understand...

;-)

See ya all within a few days!
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Greetings from J a k o b
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