Keskustelujen arkisto

Just for your knowledge.
A heavy, albeit anonymous, attack on the editorial policy of Walt Disney
Italia, the Italian editor of "Topolino", can be found on

http://www.comune.modena.it/glamazonia/articoli/misfatti.htm

This is a virtual comic fanzine. I have been told about it by Miroslav
Benassi, who is in its editorial staff.
Be warned of course that the fanzine is in Italian. I, for myself, can't say
of course how much of this is true.
Marco

In a message dated 96-10-14 00:08:41 EDT, Torsten wrote:

<< This is all rumor, though it came from a reliable source. Considering
that
Marvel has killed their licensed properties division (Barbie, Ren and
Stimpy,
Disney), and that Acclaim is signing major talent to its books, it seems
believable to me. However, Marvel did publish the Hunchback adaptation, so
it remains to be seen. >>

The issue of Disney Comics Hits coming out in December states it's the last
issue.

Steven Rowe

LVD again
We (well, me and whoever may still be interested) are nearing the
conclusion of the "Where exactly from is LVD?"-mystery.
I checked the (quity nonsense-oriented and inaccurate) book "Die
Ducks -Psychogramm einer Sippe", that upholds the claim (and even
cites the absolutely fictional dissertation of VD in Vienna), but
also delivers prove:
in German Micky Maus 49/1963 LVD states in a panel (p. 3) that he is
born in Vienna, which is repeated in a panel (p. 12) from MM 10/65.
Unfortunately I dont have these book, nor the story-codes.
But, you all being such experts, it might be possible to recognize
the stories from _ONE_ panel:

- in the first one, a laughing VD states that "his christmas tree will
be the moste tasteful one of all the town, without any doubt" -
because "I'm a born Viennese" - in a second ballooon he states "wait
and see". Now we know translator Fuchs has been quite free in her
renditions, but maybe somebody remember a christmas-tree-contest
involving LVD?
- the second panel shows LVD dressed as an Alpinist before a small
hut, besides him a Bernhardiner-dog with the cliche-barrell around
it's neck. Donald arrives and states (in a SQUARE balloon), how nice
this place in the mountains is. LVD greets him, yodeling. The
text-block states "after all he's a born Viennese"
Somebody remembers this story - BTW the art is not great, but ok.
(Can't say, if US or italian, though)

Besides this infos, which might stem from translation, I have some
more, well, forensic "facts":
1. LVD is usually dressed like most popular pictures of Siegmund Freud
- now this is no proof I know, but still...
2. a panel also from MM 49/63, p. 37 (a different story?) shows a big
sign in front of LVDs house stating he's expert mostly in the field of
psycho-therapie (further in this(?) story LVD cures Gus of his lazyness
by hypnosis - in DD-PES are two panels shown without clear source)
3. The feather on his hat: now I dont know in which part of the world
a (white) feather is fashionable, but in (rural) Austria there is a very
common hat-piece, called a "Gamsbart", which is a bundle of hair
coming from the animal called "chamois". It looks like a
shaving-brush. So, the artists on LVD mistook the image they had in
their mind of an Austrian "Gamsbart" for a white feather? Maybe they
got it from ...er... "Sound of Music"? (A movie/musical BTW that is,
ironically, all but unknown in Austria - but famous everywhere else!)
4. LVD standing on the alp/alpine pasture is kinda misleading:
yodeling is Austrian/Bavarian/Swiss, and so is the mountain-climbing-
gear he sports. The dog with the barrel OTOH (on the other hand) is, at
least in Europe, a clear SWISS cliche (maybe that's where Byron got
the notion, thet LVD is Swiss). But maybe the artist didn't know?
5. His name. It sounds like Ludwig van Beethoven, who was GERMAN from
DUTCH ancestors but lived most of his life in VIENNA - so, go figure.
But one thing is clear: Switzerland has been democratic for
centuries, so no Swiss would hava a "van" or "von" in his name,
which, in most cases, points to nobility!

Now, the forensic "facts" are unconclusive. What we need are those
stories, those codes, and their original text!

Happy hunting!

Harald

"Wer die Arbeit kennt und sich nicht drueckt, der ist verrueckt!"
Tick, Trick und Track Duck
--- (Harald Havas) (Email removed)

Hi!

Yesterday I went to a comic-convention in the Netherlands. It was very
disappointing though, as there was nothing interesting for me to buy. I haven't
even seen ONE single American Disney comic. There was only one thing I wanted
to buy, but when I got back to the stall where I had seen it, the salesman had
just sold that item to someone else five minutes ago! I had saved a lot of
money for that comic-convention but there was nothing I could spend it on! The
only bright spot yesterday, was the drawing of a Junior Woodchuck that Daan
Jippes made for me, although it's not really that good. It's kind of a weird
Woodchuck, actually! His eyes are much too large and so are his hands. All the
five and six-year-old kids in front of me got wonderful drawings, and they
probably take them home to color them in or cut them out. And for me, Daan made
a picture that wasn't nearly as good as all those others, and I planned to frame
it and hang it on the wall. Before Daan made the drawing for me, he made a
drawing for a girl. This girl was waiting in line to have Jippes make a drawing
for Sander Gulien! I heard her talking to someone else about Sander being a
member of her family. Well, it's not important, but I thought it was fun!
Jippes told me that he hasn't drawn any Barks-Junior Woodchuck-stories.
And he won't make any more either. He told me that he is working for a German
publisher now, and they only want him to make stories featuring Donald as the
main character, so that excludes the JW-scripts. Another disappointment of
that day! Jippes told me that he had just finished a story with Donald
and he told me what it was about, but I forgot!
I haven't even bought any Dutch comics, like the ones I promised
Gaute, Trygve, Tim and Jonathan! They did have the comics you all requested,
but they were too expensive! I can buy them much cheaper in a comicshop. So
you'll all have to wait a little more, probably a week or so!

PER STARBACK:
I can't un-g-zip half of the archive-files on your FTP-site.
My un-g-zip program tells me that the files are corrupt. Do you think
you can compress these files again? Or maybe you can put the files uncompressed
on-line? I've heard that other people of this list have the same problems!!

DON ROSA:
What do you mean, there are no European stories featuring the TV
and movie characters? There are lots of them! What about the feature film
movie adaptions that appear in the European Graphic Novels, for instance?
And what about the Dutch stories featuring the Little Mermaid, The Lion
King, Aladdin, Beauty and the Beast etcetera. I just checked Harry's database
and in the Netherlands alone, there have been 46 Aladdin, 16 Little Mermaid,
126 Dumbo and 17 Pinnochio-stories in the last few years. To name just a few!
And MUCH more have been made in France, I think!

TORSTEN ADAIR:
> Acclaim Comics was going to produce digest sized
> comicbooks of licensed properties
Is that good?

Bye!

Arthur de Wolf -- Roosendaal, the Netherlands
email: (Email removed)
homepage: www.pi.net/~wolfman/disney

DWIGHT:

>They're printing "The Last Voyage of Ringtail
>van Dukke," a Dutch-produced story I translated
>and scripted for Gladstone a while back.

And for Egmont. I've checked both since I've allready got them, and if not
your translation and scripting made a very close word by word translation of
the dutch text, Egmont has used your translation instead of the dutch. The
Gladstone and Egmont versions are practical identic texts. Though, as
always, I feel the US text has more punch than the Egmont one. So it looks
like they,ve used your's.

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On Oct 14, 6:07pm, Christer Hanssen wrote:

> ... Egmont has used your translation instead of the dutch. The
> Gladstone and Egmont versions are practical identic texts. Though, as
> always, I feel the US text has more punch than the Egmont one. So it
looks
> like they,ve used your's.
>
Wait a minute! It just dawned on me that there's a logical
explanation for this! Egmont's house language is English!
All the scripts are done in English if only because it's
easier for, say, the Brazilian publisher to have a script
translated from English into Portuguese than Danish into
Portuguese. A Dutch-produced story would have to be translated
into English _anyway_ for Egmont's purposes, and I had in effect
already done that with the Gladstone version. So it makes some
kind of sense that they used my script, rather than translating
the Dutch directly into English all over again before it was
then translated into Danish, Norwegian, etc.

--Dwight Decker

MARCO:
You wonder what happened to "that silly fat female with the
showboat... what was her name?"
Belle Duck (that's her name in the U. S.) had a very untimely
accident. So did Moby Duck. The two of them were boating through the same
region one day when they saw one another, fell instantly in love, and
steered their boats toward one another to pass at close range.
Sadly, as they poured on the speed, they saw Moby's irritating pet
porpoise, Porpy, swimming through the waters nearby. In swerving to avoid
him, Belle and Moby had a wak-shattering collision. Poor devils.
[In case you wonder, this is a joke! A joke!]

GARY:
Torsten mentioned some suggestions he had for the Life of Scrooge
in hardback form. As long as we're making suggestions, maybe I can run one
up the flagpole and see if you salute (how's your saluting arm? ;-)
I'd like to see a four-page section titled "The Life of Scrooge
Around the World." Here you could print small reproductions of OTHER
artists' interpretations of Rosa's canon. Some Dutch covers (done just for
Holland) could appear there, as could a few actual Rosa covers (one for LO$
1 and 2 in one issue, and an alternate one for LO$ 6) that were done just
for German or Danish use. Most importantly, you could print the super
Marco Rota paintings based on Don's LO$, which appear on the backs of the
Italian ZIO PAPERONE. Readers of this Digest could probably supply you
with copies to scan (and Ehapa can provide you with the alternate LO$ 6
cover, showing Scrooge riding a giraffe -- they only used this in some ads,
after deciding they'd rather feature LO$ 5 on the cover of the album in
question.)
I noticed Jonathan's transcription of some credit corrections in
the Gladstone Gazette. Sorry to be a nitpicker, but one still needs a
correction: Tino Santanach, not Esteban, drew "On the Ball" (DDMM 7).
Santanach is also the artist of "Bruce McDuck" (which was credited to
Branca) in DDA 41.

JONATHAN MARKOFF:
Esteban's first name is not Bartholomew, and what's worse, I'm
responsible for that mistake. I copied some credits inaccurately once and
referred to a story as having been drawn by "Bartholomew Esteban" when it
was written by Bob Bartholomew, and drawn by Esteban (whose first name is
as yet unknown to me). I think this was in a letter I sent to an early
Gladstone. Oh, the shame of it! (pulls bag over head)
Tino Santanach drew "Cousin Bruce McDuck." (My comment to Gary,
above, may explain why you thought it was Esteban.)
So you liked "The Duck Who Cried Wolf!" Great! I loved it when I
first read it in German, so I knew it was my destiny to Americanize it.
;-) I felt it needed something special, though, to set it apart from other
mistaken identity stories; that's why I added the fable-type narration
about kings and highwaymen. I'm glad you liked the result!

HARALD:
Br'er Fox has a Sis Fox to serve as his love interest? Wonder how
often this character has appeared (I've never seen her, myself).
Sis Molly Rabbit derives from the original African-American legends
of Br'er Rabbit, tho' I don't know if she was named Molly anywhere until
the late 1940s Sunday strips. I seem to recall her being "Miss Meadows" in
the Joel Chandler Harris versions of the stories. Maybe Sis Fox (or Miss
Fox, as you translate her German name) follows a similar path.

DON:
You keep close tabs on Asterix. Has Hodder released the new one in
Britain now? Darn, I guess I just missed its publication!

MIKE:
There were East German mouse knockoffs, too. I saw them when I
first went to East Germany (long before the wall came down) with my
exchange partners. Weird mice with octagonal ears living in ancient Rome,
or something (seemed like they were trying to get Asterix and Mickey Mouse
in one fell swoop). Anyone ever see this stuff? (I didn't buy one...
more's the pity.)

David Gerstein
<(Email removed)>
"A starch in time keeps the worm from turning!" (how's that Harry?)

(Email removed)

I've decided at last to ask this and make (once more) a fool of myself. I
just CAN'T spot the D.U.C.K. on the splash panel of D 93574, "The duck who
never was".
The reason I ask is twofold. This story might have no D.U.C.K. for instance
(do ALL Rosa stories have the dedication?). But also: in the Italian version
("Paperino Mese" #168 is the one I've got, but I believe there was a later
reprint on the same "Paperino Mese", I don't know which issue), they might
have COVERED the dedication with a balloon or with the code or by just
cutting the picture to make it fit in the three-by-two arrangement they
used. I am ALMOST sure they covered the D.U.C.K. here in Italy in the splash
panel of the Australian part of Lo$ (I scanned with a magnifying lens the
feather of the didjerdidoo, or at least the small part of it that was not
covered by writing, and could find nothing!).
Thanks, as usual, for your help!
Marco