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CHRISTER HANSSEN:

On Sunday 20 October 1996, I wrote about the CBL:

> There are some stories redrawn and/or banned. If you want a list of that,
> I can send you one. I co-wrote it last year and it's also available on
> Per's ftp-site. I am afraid it's still not complete...

The word "banned" should be "censored".

Greetings,

--- Daniel

"Hooray! I'm cured! My mind doesn't hurt anymore!"

The Mad Musician, OG 11 --- Carl Barks

RE: ASTERIX (quite offtopic)
There have been (mostly) US-members who seemed bewildered/intrigued
by the existence of a new Asterix-album. Being something like an
expert in this case (I wrote some articles...) here the facts for
non-European readers (inside Europe you'd have to be deaf, dumb and
blind - well maybe not dumb - not to notice the hype for Asterix XXX - it's like,
when they announce a new Disney- or Arnie-movie)
After 5 years and two shocks (a.) nobody liked Asterix 29 - everybody
thought it was anti-feministic - and b.) loosing the right to the first 24 albums
permanently to Dargaud) Uderzo finally decided to do it again. This
time his helpers got _credits_: he's got one for inking(!), one for
general things(?) and one for coloring. Unfortunately he still didn't
get somebody for plot or story, so the new one runs along the same
lines as the past Uderzo-solos: nice, but no Goscinny.
In detail - Uderuo has really fitting and smart ideas, and he knwos
his goals... er Gauls, but he has no sense of story-telling, timing
focus etc. So the new saga drags on, while being mildly entertaining.
My personal opininon: not so bad (as I ecpected), but most of my
colleagues around here agree that it didn't justify a 5 year wait.
The story in short:
(Attention. spoiler!) Obelix, angry that he still isn't allowed to get
a bit of the magic er... soup, drinks a whole kettle in secret... and
gets cold turky... nah mutates to cold stone. Getafix/Panoramix
doesnt knwo what to do, even food and a kiss from Falbala dont help.
But - after a while Obelix is revived - as a little kid!
In the meantime slaves under the leadership of Spartakis ("played" by
Kirk Douglas!) have kidnapped Caesar's ship and flee to the small
borrow of the Gauls. The Romans, desperate to get the ship, kidnap
small Obelix - Asterix and Panoramix follow, and a wild (chaotic and
distracting) chase follows that leads our heroes even to the shore
of... Atlantis! (Well, the last islands left of it) This parts bugs readers
most, as it involves Centaurs and flying cows... But if you know
the movie "The 12 Tasks of Asterix", you know gods, spirits etc. have
been in the Asterix-lore, even while Goscinny was around. Just coming
to mind, there also is a short-story called "A Gaule Springtime"
where a weak "Spirit of Spring" defeats "Winter" with the help of the
magic potion...
Well, in the end the good guys win, the bad guys get theirs and we
are held in suspense, if there will ever be another Asterix and if we
really have to wait another 5 years for a 40 page story...
So, on a finald note, if you dont expect too much, you can have a
nice (and in part even heartwarming) read, if you look for a classic,
look someplace else...

FAUNTLEROY

>For this 60 anniversary, (W.) Fuchs did one or several articles about Donald in
>different magazines. If I remember right, there had been an article in which
>this point had been mentioned.

I called Wolfgang (J. Fuchs) and he explained in a long conversation
that he always points out in his articles a.) that Donald's middle
name is Fautleroy (the military should know!) and b.) his birthday is
20 years prior to his first screen appearance - because of all
possible dates only the 13.march in 1914(!) was a friday. (It has been
accepeted around here that Donald was born on a friday 13th in march)
All this on the basis of W.'s idea that Donald is a PERSON, who had been
impersonated by different actors - like Taliaferro, Barks... etc.!
Well, a wise man this Fuchs (one of Germanys finest journalists
authors and translators in the comics field). He lives in Munich
(like Erika) but is not related.
He also agreed to look into the Ludwig von Drake matter - he
remembers an American comic book about LVD that also had some infos
on the character. Well, we'll see...

Bye for now...

Harald
(feel free to spread my "Asterix-article" on to interested American
sites - but please include my e-mail. So much for copyright. Thanx)
--- (Harald Havas) (Email removed)

DON
>So, just WHO created Huey, Dewey and Louie? Did the Disney animation writers
>create them and Taliaferro simply beat them into print with the characters?
>Or did Taliaferro have the idea first? You make it sound like that's the
>case when you say the animation team changed Taliaferro's "Della" name into
>that stupid "Dumbella" name.

Taliaferro created the nephews without any shadow of a doubt: there
even exists a cheque, which is in the possession of his widow (I saw
a copy) that clearly states that he gets that money for CREATING the
new characters (it's signed "story department").
Also, HDLs first appearance in a short (1938) was a year AFTER their
first appearance in the strip (10/17/37). In an office note (they
used to sk ANYBODY in the company for new gags/Idea to submit -
which IMHO is an ingenious device, and something new economists
recommend to factory managers today) concerning the movie "Donald's
Nephews" they asked for ideas for this short "that will feature between
two and half a dozend (sic!) nephews of Donald". So they took the idea
from Mr. T but didn't care much about continuity, which is also clear
in early nephew studies by the animators that show them with "crowns"
similar to Mickey's nephews and other features dissimilar to the
strip. In other respects the short follows the original app. of HDL in
Talaiferros strip.
BTW I checked: Della Hirt of Glendale was the wife of Adolph Hirt,
brother of Mayme Taliaferro (born Hirt), mother of Al. Which makes
Della his aunt (by marriage), if I didn't confuse things. And if you want
to check out Donald'd neighborhood you should look for Al's house in
Glendale (349 West, Garfield) - if it, or the neighborhood, still
stand... And check for "Tanglewood Acres" near Mablevale, Arkansas,
the Taliaferro's summer-residence...
--- (Harald Havas) (Email removed)

Sorry to clutter up the ML with personal business
stuff, but I don't have Stefan Printz-Paahlson's
e-mail address and this was the only way I knew
to get hold of him (without getting up at 5:00 to
make a trans-Atlantic phone call, that is).

STEFAN: Hi, how ya doin'? Two things have come up:
(1) It looks like I didn't get the job, so I won't
be moving to Chicago. (Sigh.)
(2) I need a story code for "The Ghost Hunt."

Thanks--

--Dwight Decker

HARALD:
So, Taliaferro created HD&L. I've read that Barks claims he created HD&L
while in the Disney story department. Perhaps he's just being *told* that he
created HD&L?
And then again, that was "only" 60 years ago -- memories play tricks.

"ACME"...
Steve finally claims that Warners does have a trademark on "Acme". Of
course, I assume someone can still use that term in some other realm than
comics or cartoons. But maybe Warners can stop anyone else from using that
term in their areas of endeavor.
But anyway, no one seemed to grasp my actual point. Some of you were telling
me that you didn't think Warners' claim on Acme could hold up in court, or
you thought that Disney could easilly challenge it. By the same token, "The
War of the Wendigo" would actually never upset anyone, and Native Americans
would far more likely be proud of it than object to it... but that's not
what matters. My point was that Disney has no reason to test those notions
with a mere comic book. Can you really imagine how absolutely insignificant
American Disney comic books are to Disney?

555 & Taliaferro
Taliaferro once made the mistake of including his own telephone-number
in a daily strip - as Donald's. The effect was, that he (and his wife)
were pestered with telephone-calls for days. Many of the callers
evend quacked in the line...

FAUNTLEROY/LVD
Wolfgang Fuchs just faxed me more infos (he's the kind of guy that
would be perfect for this list - he's thinking about getting a
modem anyway, so let's see...):
The name Fautleroy stems from the 1942 cartoon "Donald Gets Dratfted"
- pictures of the draft-note are in the Donald-book by Marcia Blitz
(only they left that out in the German version).
LVD had his first TV-appearance on september 24th, 1961. His first own
book came out shortly after with the cover-date nov./dez. 1961. This
book shows * the arrival of LVD in Duckburgh, indirectly stated,
coming from Europe * says his favorite dish is "Wiener Schnitzel a la
Weltschmerz" (!!!) (VERY Viennese! Food AND depression!)
Marcia Blitz also writes about his "Austrian accent" (others
describe it as German, but: only since Arnold most Americans got an
understanding that there's a difference - and Big A doesn't even have
a Viennese but a very distinct Styrian acccent). It seems to be
stated also that LVDs grandmother was "Mother Gosse", and for sure
it was mentioned more than once that he's from "the european side of
the duck family".
So, Wolfgang concludes, there seems to be a lot of "evidence" for LVD
being Viennese. Maybe somebody has the opportunity to listen to the
original TV-shows (spoken by Paul Frees, who did a lot of other
dubbing too) or somebody finds the original of that "Christmas tree
contest" story, where hard evidence could be found!

Thank you for your patience.

Harald

--- (Harald Havas) (Email removed)

HUNCHBACK/HERCULES
Just back from a press viewing of the "Hunchback"-movie, which I
liked a great deal. It now ranks with my favorite Alan-Menken-films
"Little Mermaid" and "Aladdin". Found it quite daring (punching guys
between their legs) and _cruel_ at times. Didn't really feel like a
children-movie at all to me.
They also showed clippings and pre-production stuff from the upcoming
"Hercules" - and THAT one looks like lotta FUN! The animation style
is quite, well, fresh. Something between the "101 Dalmatians",
TV-cartoons of the 50ies and parts of "Fantasia" - very cartoonish-
like. I had my doubts about that one (as I had with "Hunchback"), but
besides what some people might think about Disney as a company, they
still know how to produce entertaining and - yes! - clever features.

Thinks

Harald
--- (Harald Havas) (Email removed)

DWIGHT:
>I did notice one slight goof on Egmont's part. On the title
>page of the main comic, the story is said to start with a quote,
>"Den sande og uforfalskede beretning om piraten Laban vcn And."
>This is a reasonable translation of my version, which begins,
>"Ye true and authentick historie of ye pirate Captain Ringtail
>van Dukke." In the story itself, however, it comes out rather
>differently as "Den sande beretning om soeroever Kaptajnen
>Laban von And." More or less the same, but different enough
>to show a slip between the cup and the lip.

Well, not so in the norwegian version, but that only means that the
norwegian publisher made a better work:-))

>The really amazing thing in this issue is the one-page Goofy
>gag strip at the back that has _credits_! How did that happen?!

Again, not in the norwegian.

~Christer