Markoff wrote:
> The Disney Comics Database has no indexes for the following countries:
> Norway, France, Italy, Brazil, and Greece, and the indexes for Finland and
> Germany are filled with gaps. Will that be fixed next time? (Hello, Geir,
> Nils, Didier, Marco, Alipio, Kriton, Henri, Mike, Joachim, Danny?) Also, how
^^^^^^
Since you ask so nicely...
I had stopped reading Greek comics ages ago, having been converted to the
Gladstone parsuasion almost from day 1. I have recently started reading
"Comics", however, and will probably keep on reading it, even though I'm
fairly certain they only print material that has already been printed by
Gladstone. Thus, if you don't mind my starting from issue 99, which is the
first one that I have, I can supply information on new issues of "Comics".
Being still new to this list, I hope I won't offend too many people by asking
"what database?" (I have the vague impression that there are at least two,
one being Per's), who to contact, and what sort of information is requied.
--
Kriton(e-mail: (Email removed))
(WWW: http://dias.cti.gr/~kyrimis
-----
"You speak treason!"
"Fluently!"
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Author
Topic: 199610
(312 messages)
Kriton Kyrimis
Index for Greece
Message 46 -
1996-10-03 at 23:31:07
Kriton Kyrimis
War of the Wendigo (again)
Message 47 -
1996-10-03 at 23:52:09
Thanks to a series of happy coincidences, I managed to get my grubby little
protuberances on a copy of Zio Paperone #84, and "read" (using my knowledge of
English, French, Latin, Greek, and a lot of guesswork) the Italian version of
War of the Wendigo. Having done so, I think I understand why Disney banned the
story:
a) It is too violent. This is not violence carried out in the heat of a fight,
as in the ballroom fight in "Back to the Klondike", but cold-blooded,
premeditated violence. I was shocked by the way the villain used to smoke
out those bats. (Couldn't he have used smoke?)
b) Even so, this story hits too close to home. The things the villain did
to fight the pygmy indians probably only pale to the atrocities committed
by white people on native Americans. I suspect that modern Americans have
yet to come to terms with what their ancestors did to the natives of their
land.
BTW, an excellent story! I second the motion of making the English version of
the text available on the web. (Assuming of course that the person who offered
to do so can persuade the lawyers of both Disney and Egmont not to come after
him screaming "flickus flackus copyright infringement fumdeedledum"!)
--
Kriton(e-mail: (Email removed))
(WWW: http://dias.cti.gr/~kyrimis
-----
"You speak treason!"
"Fluently!"
-----
protuberances on a copy of Zio Paperone #84, and "read" (using my knowledge of
English, French, Latin, Greek, and a lot of guesswork) the Italian version of
War of the Wendigo. Having done so, I think I understand why Disney banned the
story:
a) It is too violent. This is not violence carried out in the heat of a fight,
as in the ballroom fight in "Back to the Klondike", but cold-blooded,
premeditated violence. I was shocked by the way the villain used to smoke
out those bats. (Couldn't he have used smoke?)
b) Even so, this story hits too close to home. The things the villain did
to fight the pygmy indians probably only pale to the atrocities committed
by white people on native Americans. I suspect that modern Americans have
yet to come to terms with what their ancestors did to the natives of their
land.
BTW, an excellent story! I second the motion of making the English version of
the text available on the web. (Assuming of course that the person who offered
to do so can persuade the lawyers of both Disney and Egmont not to come after
him screaming "flickus flackus copyright infringement fumdeedledum"!)
--
Kriton(e-mail: (Email removed))
(WWW: http://dias.cti.gr/~kyrimis
-----
"You speak treason!"
"Fluently!"
-----
Arthur De Wolf
Several useless comments
Message 48 -
1996-10-04 at 00:48:03
Just coming back from the premiere of Independence Day, the movie, I'm
glad my computer is still on it's place where I left it and not blown up by
aliens.
PER STARBACK:
Ouch ... my letter in the latest digest really looked terrible. I didn't
send it like that! What happened? Is there anything I can do to prevent such
things? My letter was filled with wrong characters and all lines were broken
up.
KRITON:
Thanks a lot for the explanations on those articles in Komix #100.
> You don't mention that Komix #100 comes with a device that is supposed
> to make square eggs.
Yeah ... that's a cool thing, but it wasn't very interesting for me, because
I already got that same device with a French magazine once. It's nice to see
that European publishers are cooperating like this, by exchanging ideas and
exchanging premiums.
> This is the second request I got for translating Komix articles! How
> popular is this magazine outside Greece?
I don't think it's very popular outside Greece. Not many people speak Greek, you
know! It'll probably be a coincidence that you were asked twice to translate it!
I just think that "Komix" is a great comic, but I can't read a word Greek, so
it's only a collectors-item for me! (I want to HAVE everything, even when I can
only look at it! ;-). One guy at Geniki (Greek publisher) is so nice to send me
their comics once in a while, so that I've been able to describe them on my
website and I got that 100th issue from him a couple of days ago. That's all!
JONATHAN MARKOFF:
> [...] and Arthur's Spanish collection?
My Spanish collection? What are you talking about? I have only one Spanish
Disney comic! That's all!
BYRON ERICKSON:
> Hordes of David Gerstein's favorite bit players.
Hahahahaha! This is really funny! :-D
FREDRIK EKMAN:
> I personally have only three issues of Ol?! Disney
And I will have one soon, so that makes FOUR!
HARRY FLUKS:
> The Russian contents were posted to the list, and Arthur first has to
> finish his contributions to the USA and Dutch indexes... 8-)
O, yeah ... that's true! I forgot all about it! By the way, I downloaded the
entire new version of the database today and I was very impressed! Great stuff!
MICHAEL NAIMAN:
> The exhibition was fabulous
O, man! You're making me so jealous! Is there any change that there will be
a Don Rosa exhibit in the Netherlands soon?
DAVID JOHNSON:
> Why is the disney chanel switched to a diffrent chanel? Will someone
> answer my question.
I dunno ... maybe you accidentely sat on your remote control and changed the
channel-settings? There should be some buttons on your tv or your remote that
will make it possible to change your channels. I think you should try
www.sony.com or whatever brand of tv you have and ask them how to change your
channel-settings. This is really the wrong place for questions like that. This
list is about Disney comics and not about how to operate your tv.
Bye!
Arthur de "L'il Bad" Wolf -- Roosendaal, the Netherlands
email: (Email removed)
homepage: www.pi.net/~wolfman/disney
--------------------------------
End of Disney comics Digest V96 Issue #216
******************************************
glad my computer is still on it's place where I left it and not blown up by
aliens.
PER STARBACK:
Ouch ... my letter in the latest digest really looked terrible. I didn't
send it like that! What happened? Is there anything I can do to prevent such
things? My letter was filled with wrong characters and all lines were broken
up.
KRITON:
Thanks a lot for the explanations on those articles in Komix #100.
> You don't mention that Komix #100 comes with a device that is supposed
> to make square eggs.
Yeah ... that's a cool thing, but it wasn't very interesting for me, because
I already got that same device with a French magazine once. It's nice to see
that European publishers are cooperating like this, by exchanging ideas and
exchanging premiums.
> This is the second request I got for translating Komix articles! How
> popular is this magazine outside Greece?
I don't think it's very popular outside Greece. Not many people speak Greek, you
know! It'll probably be a coincidence that you were asked twice to translate it!
I just think that "Komix" is a great comic, but I can't read a word Greek, so
it's only a collectors-item for me! (I want to HAVE everything, even when I can
only look at it! ;-). One guy at Geniki (Greek publisher) is so nice to send me
their comics once in a while, so that I've been able to describe them on my
website and I got that 100th issue from him a couple of days ago. That's all!
JONATHAN MARKOFF:
> [...] and Arthur's Spanish collection?
My Spanish collection? What are you talking about? I have only one Spanish
Disney comic! That's all!
BYRON ERICKSON:
> Hordes of David Gerstein's favorite bit players.
Hahahahaha! This is really funny! :-D
FREDRIK EKMAN:
> I personally have only three issues of Ol?! Disney
And I will have one soon, so that makes FOUR!
HARRY FLUKS:
> The Russian contents were posted to the list, and Arthur first has to
> finish his contributions to the USA and Dutch indexes... 8-)
O, yeah ... that's true! I forgot all about it! By the way, I downloaded the
entire new version of the database today and I was very impressed! Great stuff!
MICHAEL NAIMAN:
> The exhibition was fabulous
O, man! You're making me so jealous! Is there any change that there will be
a Don Rosa exhibit in the Netherlands soon?
DAVID JOHNSON:
> Why is the disney chanel switched to a diffrent chanel? Will someone
> answer my question.
I dunno ... maybe you accidentely sat on your remote control and changed the
channel-settings? There should be some buttons on your tv or your remote that
will make it possible to change your channels. I think you should try
www.sony.com or whatever brand of tv you have and ask them how to change your
channel-settings. This is really the wrong place for questions like that. This
list is about Disney comics and not about how to operate your tv.
Bye!
Arthur de "L'il Bad" Wolf -- Roosendaal, the Netherlands
email: (Email removed)
homepage: www.pi.net/~wolfman/disney
--------------------------------
End of Disney comics Digest V96 Issue #216
******************************************
Wilmer Rivers
Barksian reference on TV
Message 49 -
1996-10-04 at 03:39:54
Don Rosa writes about the use of the name "Junior Woodchucks" in an
old episode of "The Twilight Zone":
> How interesting it is that a Barks creation slipped into a network
> TV show
This happened again just a couple of years ago. In the courtroom drama
series "Law and Order" the police are searching for evidence of bomb-
making equipment in a college physics lab. One of the grad students
there has all sorts of electronic equipment rigged together, including
devices for opening and closing things, various lab equipment contolling
his toaster (!), etc. - a real Rube Goldberg layout of stuff. One of
the cops disparagingly refers to this grad student as "'Gyro Gearloose'
over there". That's a name I never thought I'd hear on television!
But then the whole plot, about a grad student who mails a bomb to kill
a professor who stole his theories about the decay of the proton, is
one I never thought I'd hear either - to prove that his ideas were
stolen, the suspect spends a lot of time drawing Feynman diagrams and
talking about implications of hadron decay for cosmology. Obviously,
the screenwriter for that episode reads a lot of science magazines, and
in his youth he read a lot of Gyro comics, too!
Wilmer Rivers
old episode of "The Twilight Zone":
> How interesting it is that a Barks creation slipped into a network
> TV show
This happened again just a couple of years ago. In the courtroom drama
series "Law and Order" the police are searching for evidence of bomb-
making equipment in a college physics lab. One of the grad students
there has all sorts of electronic equipment rigged together, including
devices for opening and closing things, various lab equipment contolling
his toaster (!), etc. - a real Rube Goldberg layout of stuff. One of
the cops disparagingly refers to this grad student as "'Gyro Gearloose'
over there". That's a name I never thought I'd hear on television!
But then the whole plot, about a grad student who mails a bomb to kill
a professor who stole his theories about the decay of the proton, is
one I never thought I'd hear either - to prove that his ideas were
stolen, the suspect spends a lot of time drawing Feynman diagrams and
talking about implications of hadron decay for cosmology. Obviously,
the screenwriter for that episode reads a lot of science magazines, and
in his youth he read a lot of Gyro comics, too!
Wilmer Rivers
Cherish Cox - Student
JUST A TEST!
Message 50 -
1996-10-04 at 04:54:04
please unsuscribe
Markoff
Disney comics Digest V96 #216
Message 51 -
1996-10-04 at 06:29:20
FREDRIK (AND ARTHUR):
>I personally have only three issues of Ol?! Disney (and I don't even know
>for sure if that is the official title). Even though there has been less
>than 15 issues total, it feels a little far from satisfactory to have an
>index of only three issues. Does anyone else have scattered issues?
>Perhaps we could combine efforts?
Few issues isn't a problem. The Colombian index on the ftp site only has
three issues total in it (all submitted by me). See it at
ftp://ftp.update.uu.se/pub/comics/disney/index/Colombia/Colombia.issues
KRITON:
>BTW, in modern greek, there is a tendency for oversimplification, which
>includes using english words for new things, instead of making up a greek word
>(exactly the opposite of what happens in English), and to simplify
>spelling, particularly in these foreign words. Thus, I believe that although
>the title of the magazine is KOMIX (X being the greek letter xi), it actually
>means "Comics", and should be rendered that way in English. If you read their
>articles, the word "komix" is used to mean both comics in general, and the
>specific magazine in particular.
Not the winner of the Imaginative Magazine Title Award, I must say...
>(Of course, they have enough sense *not*
>to spell Carl Barks' name as "Mparx" (they spell it" Mparks", probably to
>avoid confusing Barks with another Carl whose name *is* spelled with a xi in
>Greek!
>
Actually, that one is Karl, not Carl, but I get what you mean.
>2.The McDuck family tree, by Don Rosa. I assume that this is a translation of
> the text from the Gladstone edition, but for the life of me I can't remember
> in which issue of which title it appeared.
WDC 600.
>Around this time we should look for the origins of the basic idea of the
>square egg. If one considers that Barks was born in 1900, the idea must
>already date from the beginning of this century!
If that's what the article said, it was a year off.
>Being still new to this list, I hope I won't offend too many people by asking
>"what database?" (I have the vague impression that there are at least two,
>one being Per's), who to contact, and what sort of information is requied.
There's only one. Harry makes it and Per takes it, but only send the info to
Harry.
--Jonathan Markoff
>I personally have only three issues of Ol?! Disney (and I don't even know
>for sure if that is the official title). Even though there has been less
>than 15 issues total, it feels a little far from satisfactory to have an
>index of only three issues. Does anyone else have scattered issues?
>Perhaps we could combine efforts?
Few issues isn't a problem. The Colombian index on the ftp site only has
three issues total in it (all submitted by me). See it at
ftp://ftp.update.uu.se/pub/comics/disney/index/Colombia/Colombia.issues
KRITON:
>BTW, in modern greek, there is a tendency for oversimplification, which
>includes using english words for new things, instead of making up a greek word
>(exactly the opposite of what happens in English), and to simplify
>spelling, particularly in these foreign words. Thus, I believe that although
>the title of the magazine is KOMIX (X being the greek letter xi), it actually
>means "Comics", and should be rendered that way in English. If you read their
>articles, the word "komix" is used to mean both comics in general, and the
>specific magazine in particular.
Not the winner of the Imaginative Magazine Title Award, I must say...
>(Of course, they have enough sense *not*
>to spell Carl Barks' name as "Mparx" (they spell it" Mparks", probably to
>avoid confusing Barks with another Carl whose name *is* spelled with a xi in
>Greek!
>
Actually, that one is Karl, not Carl, but I get what you mean.
>2.The McDuck family tree, by Don Rosa. I assume that this is a translation of
> the text from the Gladstone edition, but for the life of me I can't remember
> in which issue of which title it appeared.
WDC 600.
>Around this time we should look for the origins of the basic idea of the
>square egg. If one considers that Barks was born in 1900, the idea must
>already date from the beginning of this century!
If that's what the article said, it was a year off.
>Being still new to this list, I hope I won't offend too many people by asking
>"what database?" (I have the vague impression that there are at least two,
>one being Per's), who to contact, and what sort of information is requied.
There's only one. Harry makes it and Per takes it, but only send the info to
Harry.
--Jonathan Markoff
Don Rosa
Disney comics Digest V96 #216
Message 52 -
1996-10-04 at 08:34:36
I sent a VERY long message to the List last night, but it didn't show up on
today's Digest, perhaps because there wasn't room. I'll send it again if it
isn't on the next Digest.
KRITON:
Thanks for all the translations of the KOMIX articles! You must know why
we're interested, right? KOMIX is one of the two or three nicest looking
Disney comics in the world. And we're curious to see if it reads as nice as
it looks.
As for that "War of the Wendigo", no, it has always been made clear that
Disney banned the story because it contained Indians; perhaps they would not
have liked the aspects you mention, but I'm fairly sure the banning parties
never read the story. I understand they saw the Indians, nixed it, and moved
on to their normal business. But I couldn't recall what the villain had done
to the bats in his smokestacks -- I thought he *did* just send smoke up
there. But (since it was banned in English) I hadn't really read the story
since I wrote it 6 years ago, so I went and checked.
Jeepers, you're right! That WAS harsh! And what about those poor frogs in
the drainpipes? I'm still not sure what you meant about what he did to the
Peeweegahs, unless you refer simply to the clearing and polluting of the
north woods.
For the Americans who won't ever see this story: I was asked to do something
about pollution, and I carried that a step further and made it a story
against clearcutting forestlands by business concerns. Maybe I got carried
away since the preservation of the world's forests is just about my BIGGEST
interest. Most of the money I make doing sketches for fans at conventions
goes to the Nature Conservancy to buy up woodland and protect it from greedy
developers and lumber companies. So maybe that's why I had the story's
villain acting so merciless.
But the "War of the Wendigo" in the story's title refers to the Peeweegahs
getting so fed up with the actions of the lumbermill that they send all the
forest animals in an assault on the place. They do non-violent stuff such as
the bats plugging the smokestacks and frogs plugging the drainpipes. The
villain overreacts with the sort of contempt for nature that I attribute to
them, and pumps pure dioxin up the stacks and pours wood-softening acid down
the drains. Yeah -- that is harsh! But that's the stuff they pump out into
the environment for REAL. Of course, I knew that the bats and frogs got out
of the way in time, but I don't make that clear in the story, do I? If this
story ever does get to America, I won't change what the villain does to
further wreck the environment, as that's the whole point of his villainy,
that's why plain smoke wouldn't have been foul enough for him. But I'll just
add a few words to make it clear that the animals avoided the poisons. Hm...
maybe it was my depiction of the businessman in the story that they didn't
like. Does Disney own any paper or lumbermills anywhere?
MICHAEL:
Thanks for the report on SF. But, by the way, Gladstone didn't delete the
Mickey Mouse head from the cover of the 6th chapter until they used that
cover on the album version.
I spent today on "leave" from pay while I await Byron's response to my new
script, and was finally reorganizing my files, making room for the many
foreign editions of my work that I collect just for the helluvit. I think
this is a good time to again ask if there are any List members within the
sound of my typing who can help me have a contact for getting the Disney
comics from the countries I still lack, both back issues and future issues.
The only European countries I still need a comic source for is England and
Spain. Perhaps Portugal? Do they have Disneys? I only get the Italian issues
in spurts... I still don't have any ZIO PAPERONEs after #79... but I have
lots of friends there in Italy and maybe they just think it's the other guy
who's already sent me some issues. As for the Spanish version, it might even
be the same issues that are sold in South America, but I have no source for
those issues either. Then there are also the Arabian issues and other
mideast issues...and the *many* issues of Egmont's new series of Disney
comics in ALL of the former iron curtain countries, which is lots. Actually,
I don't think I really have a hope of getting any of those latter comics,
but it seems like I might still find a friend in England or Spain or South
America to help me with those issues -- that's what's so great about this
Internet thing.
It's guys like Arthur and Harry that make me start to think of my old
correspondence like it's archaeological treasure, darn ya', but I also found
more old correspondence like I did last week for my first contact with
Holland. This time I found my earliest letters to Gladstone. I found my
first set of sample sketches of the Ducks that I sent to Byron in June of
1986, and (despite the looks of that art!) I found his letter back to me
saying I had a job and that I should send him a plot description for this
story about $crooge and an Incan treasure that I had in mind ("The Son of
the Sun"). And I found all the original scripts for that story and cover
roughs and script changes and everything else. Well, whether this is just a
bunch of paper or something Duckfans will enjoy seeing someday, it's all
stuck back into the rear of the file cabinet where I found it, safe and sound.
today's Digest, perhaps because there wasn't room. I'll send it again if it
isn't on the next Digest.
KRITON:
Thanks for all the translations of the KOMIX articles! You must know why
we're interested, right? KOMIX is one of the two or three nicest looking
Disney comics in the world. And we're curious to see if it reads as nice as
it looks.
As for that "War of the Wendigo", no, it has always been made clear that
Disney banned the story because it contained Indians; perhaps they would not
have liked the aspects you mention, but I'm fairly sure the banning parties
never read the story. I understand they saw the Indians, nixed it, and moved
on to their normal business. But I couldn't recall what the villain had done
to the bats in his smokestacks -- I thought he *did* just send smoke up
there. But (since it was banned in English) I hadn't really read the story
since I wrote it 6 years ago, so I went and checked.
Jeepers, you're right! That WAS harsh! And what about those poor frogs in
the drainpipes? I'm still not sure what you meant about what he did to the
Peeweegahs, unless you refer simply to the clearing and polluting of the
north woods.
For the Americans who won't ever see this story: I was asked to do something
about pollution, and I carried that a step further and made it a story
against clearcutting forestlands by business concerns. Maybe I got carried
away since the preservation of the world's forests is just about my BIGGEST
interest. Most of the money I make doing sketches for fans at conventions
goes to the Nature Conservancy to buy up woodland and protect it from greedy
developers and lumber companies. So maybe that's why I had the story's
villain acting so merciless.
But the "War of the Wendigo" in the story's title refers to the Peeweegahs
getting so fed up with the actions of the lumbermill that they send all the
forest animals in an assault on the place. They do non-violent stuff such as
the bats plugging the smokestacks and frogs plugging the drainpipes. The
villain overreacts with the sort of contempt for nature that I attribute to
them, and pumps pure dioxin up the stacks and pours wood-softening acid down
the drains. Yeah -- that is harsh! But that's the stuff they pump out into
the environment for REAL. Of course, I knew that the bats and frogs got out
of the way in time, but I don't make that clear in the story, do I? If this
story ever does get to America, I won't change what the villain does to
further wreck the environment, as that's the whole point of his villainy,
that's why plain smoke wouldn't have been foul enough for him. But I'll just
add a few words to make it clear that the animals avoided the poisons. Hm...
maybe it was my depiction of the businessman in the story that they didn't
like. Does Disney own any paper or lumbermills anywhere?
MICHAEL:
Thanks for the report on SF. But, by the way, Gladstone didn't delete the
Mickey Mouse head from the cover of the 6th chapter until they used that
cover on the album version.
I spent today on "leave" from pay while I await Byron's response to my new
script, and was finally reorganizing my files, making room for the many
foreign editions of my work that I collect just for the helluvit. I think
this is a good time to again ask if there are any List members within the
sound of my typing who can help me have a contact for getting the Disney
comics from the countries I still lack, both back issues and future issues.
The only European countries I still need a comic source for is England and
Spain. Perhaps Portugal? Do they have Disneys? I only get the Italian issues
in spurts... I still don't have any ZIO PAPERONEs after #79... but I have
lots of friends there in Italy and maybe they just think it's the other guy
who's already sent me some issues. As for the Spanish version, it might even
be the same issues that are sold in South America, but I have no source for
those issues either. Then there are also the Arabian issues and other
mideast issues...and the *many* issues of Egmont's new series of Disney
comics in ALL of the former iron curtain countries, which is lots. Actually,
I don't think I really have a hope of getting any of those latter comics,
but it seems like I might still find a friend in England or Spain or South
America to help me with those issues -- that's what's so great about this
Internet thing.
It's guys like Arthur and Harry that make me start to think of my old
correspondence like it's archaeological treasure, darn ya', but I also found
more old correspondence like I did last week for my first contact with
Holland. This time I found my earliest letters to Gladstone. I found my
first set of sample sketches of the Ducks that I sent to Byron in June of
1986, and (despite the looks of that art!) I found his letter back to me
saying I had a job and that I should send him a plot description for this
story about $crooge and an Incan treasure that I had in mind ("The Son of
the Sun"). And I found all the original scripts for that story and cover
roughs and script changes and everything else. Well, whether this is just a
bunch of paper or something Duckfans will enjoy seeing someday, it's all
stuck back into the rear of the file cabinet where I found it, safe and sound.
Vsaari
Li'l Gum colouring (Was: Qick replies)
Message 53 -
1996-10-04 at 09:30:20
Marco Barlotti wrote about Little Gum stories:
> I don't dislike this sort of colouring, but I'm not very fond of it
> either. I wonder: do they keep this colouring in "foreign" reprints?
Yes they do, if you consider Finland "foreign" (I don't :-)
The colouring can't be removed without reinking the whole story.
Those stories are not made in the traditional way by first making
black and white version and then colouring it but instead they seem
to be made directly in colour. There are not necessarily black lines
between surfaces of dirrerent colour. The lines can be in colour too
or the surfaces may meet each other without any line.
If the colouring is removed, all what's left is text in the balloons
and the edges of the panels. They made this mistake in the first few
such stories in the Finnish pocketbooks. On those days the
pocketbooks had colour only on half of the pages. Two pages colour and
then next two pages black and white i.e. only one side of the paper
was printed in four colours. Li'l Gum stories were also half colour
half b&w and thus almost unreadable. Then they started to
print Gums full colour and rest of the book still half b&w and
later they turned the whole book full colour.
--
Ville Saari EMail: (Email removed)
Tallbergin puistotie 7 B 21 Phone: +358 0 682 2226
00200 Helsinki
FINLAND /dev/null: write failed, file system is full
> I don't dislike this sort of colouring, but I'm not very fond of it
> either. I wonder: do they keep this colouring in "foreign" reprints?
Yes they do, if you consider Finland "foreign" (I don't :-)
The colouring can't be removed without reinking the whole story.
Those stories are not made in the traditional way by first making
black and white version and then colouring it but instead they seem
to be made directly in colour. There are not necessarily black lines
between surfaces of dirrerent colour. The lines can be in colour too
or the surfaces may meet each other without any line.
If the colouring is removed, all what's left is text in the balloons
and the edges of the panels. They made this mistake in the first few
such stories in the Finnish pocketbooks. On those days the
pocketbooks had colour only on half of the pages. Two pages colour and
then next two pages black and white i.e. only one side of the paper
was printed in four colours. Li'l Gum stories were also half colour
half b&w and thus almost unreadable. Then they started to
print Gums full colour and rest of the book still half b&w and
later they turned the whole book full colour.
--
Ville Saari EMail: (Email removed)
Tallbergin puistotie 7 B 21 Phone: +358 0 682 2226
00200 Helsinki
FINLAND /dev/null: write failed, file system is full
Jaki Ellenby
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1996-10-04 at 09:43:04
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Subject: From Didier about "canard"
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Hi !
DWIGHT:
Sorry for this very late answer. I was not at the office during the past few
days, so I was only able to see your message about the French word "canard"
today. And the problem is that... I must admit that YOU ARE RIGHT ! "Canard"
does mean false news as well as hoax. The only thing thing is that it is old
slang from the 18th century. The meaning, however is still accepted by the
French dictionnaries. Chess mat, congratulations ! You were not a fool at all to
stand against a Frenchman in that instance.
And thanks, BTW, I have learnt something (as did one of my friends who is a
French teacher).
Didier
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To: Disney Comics <(Email removed)>
Subject: From Didier about "canard"
Message-ID: <(Email removed)>
Hi !
DWIGHT:
Sorry for this very late answer. I was not at the office during the past few
days, so I was only able to see your message about the French word "canard"
today. And the problem is that... I must admit that YOU ARE RIGHT ! "Canard"
does mean false news as well as hoax. The only thing thing is that it is old
slang from the 18th century. The meaning, however is still accepted by the
French dictionnaries. Chess mat, congratulations ! You were not a fool at all to
stand against a Frenchman in that instance.
And thanks, BTW, I have learnt something (as did one of my friends who is a
French teacher).
Didier
Joachim Butz
Taler / Joachimsthaler / D.U.C.K. / LVD
Message 55 -
1996-10-04 at 12:02:47
Re: a lot of Digests.
I've skimmed over some of the latest Digests (about 4 or 5) and saw some
annotations to my last contribution inDigest #210. Only a few reactions yet,
later more:
TALER, D.U.C.K., HARALD:
Uh, oh! ...Eeer . - Huh, what an ass I've made of myself, not Harald of
himself! It's good there are always attentive readers of the ML noticing
such mistakes. - Thanks for the corrections!
Harald wrote:
>I thought this information should be SOMEWHERE, but didn't want to go
>search for it - why not ask people who would know for sure?
I agree to this! - That's what this ML is for (I suppose). Aber manchmal
juckt es einem eben in den Fingern, den Anderen ein klein wenig auf den Arm
zu nehmen (SORRY - I didn't find a suitable English phrase for this.
Perhaps Harald could help.)
>Yeah! Me too! I dimly remember seeing a panel in a book ("Die Ducks
>-Psychogram einer Sippe"?), where LvD states that he's Austrian.
I looked up in the book "Die Ducks-Psychogram einer Sippe". On page 46
there is a panel taken from German Micky Maus #51/1964, p. 10. There LVD
stated that he is born in Vienna.
JAKOB:
Text for "War of the Wendigos" already received. Thanks a lot to Geir Netland!
LVD:
I've red "The Piedpiper ..." story several times, but never noticed that
this guy looking out the window should be LVD.
>For some strange reason, I always thought LVD was Austrian, not German.
I remember LVD (in the German version) as Austrian too! - But my last German
LVD story is far behind (perhaps 15 years).
This in short for today.
---------- Joachim
I've skimmed over some of the latest Digests (about 4 or 5) and saw some
annotations to my last contribution inDigest #210. Only a few reactions yet,
later more:
TALER, D.U.C.K., HARALD:
Uh, oh! ...Eeer . - Huh, what an ass I've made of myself, not Harald of
himself! It's good there are always attentive readers of the ML noticing
such mistakes. - Thanks for the corrections!
Harald wrote:
>I thought this information should be SOMEWHERE, but didn't want to go
>search for it - why not ask people who would know for sure?
I agree to this! - That's what this ML is for (I suppose). Aber manchmal
juckt es einem eben in den Fingern, den Anderen ein klein wenig auf den Arm
zu nehmen (SORRY - I didn't find a suitable English phrase for this.
Perhaps Harald could help.)
>Yeah! Me too! I dimly remember seeing a panel in a book ("Die Ducks
>-Psychogram einer Sippe"?), where LvD states that he's Austrian.
I looked up in the book "Die Ducks-Psychogram einer Sippe". On page 46
there is a panel taken from German Micky Maus #51/1964, p. 10. There LVD
stated that he is born in Vienna.
JAKOB:
Text for "War of the Wendigos" already received. Thanks a lot to Geir Netland!
LVD:
I've red "The Piedpiper ..." story several times, but never noticed that
this guy looking out the window should be LVD.
>For some strange reason, I always thought LVD was Austrian, not German.
I remember LVD (in the German version) as Austrian too! - But my last German
LVD story is far behind (perhaps 15 years).
This in short for today.
---------- Joachim
Marco Barlotti
Indexing "Paperino & C."
Message 56 -
1996-10-04 at 18:21:11
CALLING ALL ITALIANS (and not only...)
I am currently trying to write down an index for "Paperino & C.", a former
(~1981) Disney weekly (and thereafter fortnightly) published in Italy, which
only had reprints of "foreign" (mainly D-coded) stories.
I am doing it the easy way, just writing down the codes of the stories. But
some issues are missing in my collection, others got all mixed up (wrong
cover on wrong inside). These "Paperino & C." were my daughter's daily
nutrishment when she was 4 to 8, and this should explain everything.
So, is anyone who's got
ISSUES # 5 - 17 - 23 - 58 - 62 -
92 - 93 - 98
of the before mentioned
"Paperino & C."
willing to send me THE CODES of the stories inside?
(It's not a hard work, all you have to do is to write down 5 to 7 codes per
isssue, and that's all).
I'll give you a week time to send me (privately, why bother the others on
the list) these codes. After a week I'll send my index to Harry, ready or not.
Marco
I am currently trying to write down an index for "Paperino & C.", a former
(~1981) Disney weekly (and thereafter fortnightly) published in Italy, which
only had reprints of "foreign" (mainly D-coded) stories.
I am doing it the easy way, just writing down the codes of the stories. But
some issues are missing in my collection, others got all mixed up (wrong
cover on wrong inside). These "Paperino & C." were my daughter's daily
nutrishment when she was 4 to 8, and this should explain everything.
So, is anyone who's got
ISSUES # 5 - 17 - 23 - 58 - 62 -
92 - 93 - 98
of the before mentioned
"Paperino & C."
willing to send me THE CODES of the stories inside?
(It's not a hard work, all you have to do is to write down 5 to 7 codes per
isssue, and that's all).
I'll give you a week time to send me (privately, why bother the others on
the list) these codes. After a week I'll send my index to Harry, ready or not.
Marco
Marco Barlotti
Oscar Wilde Disney stories
Message 57 -
1996-10-04 at 18:28:03
>
>Jonathan:
>> What were the Disney comic stories that Shakespeare and Oscar Wilde "wrote?"
>
There is certainly a "Canterville ghost" Italian story.
But this would lead us very far. Should every Italian "Parody" be credited
to the author of the original version, you would have hundreds of celebrated
authors among Disney writers, including Dante, Tolstoj, Hugo, Cervantes,
Homer, ...
Alessandra Bertoldini on this list is "the" expert on the subject.
Marco
>Jonathan:
>> What were the Disney comic stories that Shakespeare and Oscar Wilde "wrote?"
>
There is certainly a "Canterville ghost" Italian story.
But this would lead us very far. Should every Italian "Parody" be credited
to the author of the original version, you would have hundreds of celebrated
authors among Disney writers, including Dante, Tolstoj, Hugo, Cervantes,
Homer, ...
Alessandra Bertoldini on this list is "the" expert on the subject.
Marco
Marco Barlotti
Square eggs
Message 58 -
1996-10-04 at 18:35:53
I WANT MY SQUARE EGGS !
What is the European Community for, if France has them, Greece has them and
Italy doesn't!
You may keep us out of EURO (the monetary unit) but you should never dare
keep us out of SQUARE EGGS!
(Well, as a matter of fact Zio Paperone hasn't published yet "Return to
Plain Awful" so I have hope!)
Marco
--------------------------------
End of Disney comics Digest V96 Issue #217
******************************************
What is the European Community for, if France has them, Greece has them and
Italy doesn't!
You may keep us out of EURO (the monetary unit) but you should never dare
keep us out of SQUARE EGGS!
(Well, as a matter of fact Zio Paperone hasn't published yet "Return to
Plain Awful" so I have hope!)
Marco
--------------------------------
End of Disney comics Digest V96 Issue #217
******************************************
Marco Barlotti
Wrong codes
Message 59 -
1996-10-04 at 19:04:52
I guess one shouldn't answer his own questions, but for once allow me to do it.
I asked yesterday for examples of I-coded stories with "wrong" code. Well, I
found another one. It's "Zio Paperone e l'infernale codicillo", script by
Pavese, art by Chierchini, which originally appeared in "Topolino" issue
#377 but when reprinted in CWDNS 89 ("Paperone number one") received the
code I-337.
Again, this is clearly a mistake in later coding.
Again: does anyone know of later (or foreign) reprints with the same or with
the "right" code ?
(The plot: in order to inherit an unknown amount of money, $crooge must
spend 5,000 US$ in five days; he asks Donald to do this for him, but Donald
doesn't succeed because he suddenly turns as lucky as Gladstone Gander; he
will learn -at the end of the story- from a fortune-teller that those were
the "only" five lucky days in his life...)
Marco
(all right, all right, this is my last message for a while, I promise !)
I asked yesterday for examples of I-coded stories with "wrong" code. Well, I
found another one. It's "Zio Paperone e l'infernale codicillo", script by
Pavese, art by Chierchini, which originally appeared in "Topolino" issue
#377 but when reprinted in CWDNS 89 ("Paperone number one") received the
code I-337.
Again, this is clearly a mistake in later coding.
Again: does anyone know of later (or foreign) reprints with the same or with
the "right" code ?
(The plot: in order to inherit an unknown amount of money, $crooge must
spend 5,000 US$ in five days; he asks Donald to do this for him, but Donald
doesn't succeed because he suddenly turns as lucky as Gladstone Gander; he
will learn -at the end of the story- from a fortune-teller that those were
the "only" five lucky days in his life...)
Marco
(all right, all right, this is my last message for a while, I promise !)
Harald Havas
Disney comics Digest V96 #214-216
Message 60 -
1996-10-04 at 19:09:16
JAKOB
About the "Taler"-story - sure this kind of thing has been done
numerous times, that's why I said it sounded like a story-idea.
When done, I think, it could develop in something distinctive different
though - centered more around the "Taler" and less the "Hunt".
PER
wondered about people asking questions here, that could be easily
found out in the www-files. Well, I'm one of them, and my excuse runs
like this:
1. I generally dont use indexes - so I'd need some time to find my
way through them, which leads to
2. Since I got my access, telephone-costs have been on the rise
sincerely. Nowadays I try not to go online to often, but
3. I and others read the ML on a daily basis. With so many knowing
people out there, why not just pop a quick question somebody will
answer for sure?
And BTW these questions often sparked quite interesting threads and
discussions we would have missed by checking things on our own.
But I assure you, if I have some extensive checking in order I use
the sites - as when I looked for the foreign names for Daisy's
nieces.
R.I.P. LUDVIG & CO.
Sorry to hear that (in some cases) - but: do the ITALIANS know about
this? I mean the last time I saw Fethry was THIS summer in "Lustiges
Taschenbuch" # 222 in two AWFUL one-pagers coded I-2076 and I-2072.
He's also part of the ALL DISNEY cast (MM and DD) of the fantasy
story in the selfsame issue (I-2081)... So? Do they all just cease to
exist in (D-coded) Egmont-Universe, and a time-capsule-energy-
shield-dimensional-rift protected them in Italy? This wouldn't make
much sense, as they'd still appear in the Egmont-reprints of the Italian
material - hm?
But - if this is the final note on this characters, I'd still want, no,
DEMAND to know if Ludvig was Austrian! We'd have to write accurate
information on his tomb!
In the meantime, all I have to say is: Servus, Onkel Primus, leb wohl!
ARTHUR'S COMPUTER PROBLEMS
The answer is out there: Aliens mutilated your keyboard!
AND FINALLY
I just returned from the Frankfurter Buchmesse (Book Fair) and - of
course - visited the enormous Egmont-Ehapa-stand. There I met and
introduced myself to... Per Grubert. He was very kind and invited me to a
private chat a little bit later. He's a very nice and friendly man and I dont
say so, because he told me he still follows this list! ;-) He even
bothered to speak German with me (he worked for Ehapa some years back
and lived in Germany at that time) and we discussed various things
like - surprise - Disney-comics and the mailing list. He's really
fond of it - he said he really enjoyed the friendly tone of various
people around the world discussing things in a lighthearted way.
Really to meet him was an honor and pleasure as well.
PS: I also passed the GP-stand, where three men discussed vividly in
Dutch, I didn't want to interrupt (Book Fair Prime Directive #1), so
I couldn't inquire, if someone was a list-member. Greetings anyway!
That's all for now.
Seeya!
Harald
"Gustav Gans - ja, der kann's! Doch unser Schwein ist auch nicht
klein!" Tick, Trick und Track
--- (Harald Havas) (Email removed)
About the "Taler"-story - sure this kind of thing has been done
numerous times, that's why I said it sounded like a story-idea.
When done, I think, it could develop in something distinctive different
though - centered more around the "Taler" and less the "Hunt".
PER
wondered about people asking questions here, that could be easily
found out in the www-files. Well, I'm one of them, and my excuse runs
like this:
1. I generally dont use indexes - so I'd need some time to find my
way through them, which leads to
2. Since I got my access, telephone-costs have been on the rise
sincerely. Nowadays I try not to go online to often, but
3. I and others read the ML on a daily basis. With so many knowing
people out there, why not just pop a quick question somebody will
answer for sure?
And BTW these questions often sparked quite interesting threads and
discussions we would have missed by checking things on our own.
But I assure you, if I have some extensive checking in order I use
the sites - as when I looked for the foreign names for Daisy's
nieces.
R.I.P. LUDVIG & CO.
Sorry to hear that (in some cases) - but: do the ITALIANS know about
this? I mean the last time I saw Fethry was THIS summer in "Lustiges
Taschenbuch" # 222 in two AWFUL one-pagers coded I-2076 and I-2072.
He's also part of the ALL DISNEY cast (MM and DD) of the fantasy
story in the selfsame issue (I-2081)... So? Do they all just cease to
exist in (D-coded) Egmont-Universe, and a time-capsule-energy-
shield-dimensional-rift protected them in Italy? This wouldn't make
much sense, as they'd still appear in the Egmont-reprints of the Italian
material - hm?
But - if this is the final note on this characters, I'd still want, no,
DEMAND to know if Ludvig was Austrian! We'd have to write accurate
information on his tomb!
In the meantime, all I have to say is: Servus, Onkel Primus, leb wohl!
ARTHUR'S COMPUTER PROBLEMS
The answer is out there: Aliens mutilated your keyboard!
AND FINALLY
I just returned from the Frankfurter Buchmesse (Book Fair) and - of
course - visited the enormous Egmont-Ehapa-stand. There I met and
introduced myself to... Per Grubert. He was very kind and invited me to a
private chat a little bit later. He's a very nice and friendly man and I dont
say so, because he told me he still follows this list! ;-) He even
bothered to speak German with me (he worked for Ehapa some years back
and lived in Germany at that time) and we discussed various things
like - surprise - Disney-comics and the mailing list. He's really
fond of it - he said he really enjoyed the friendly tone of various
people around the world discussing things in a lighthearted way.
Really to meet him was an honor and pleasure as well.
PS: I also passed the GP-stand, where three men discussed vividly in
Dutch, I didn't want to interrupt (Book Fair Prime Directive #1), so
I couldn't inquire, if someone was a list-member. Greetings anyway!
That's all for now.
Seeya!
Harald
"Gustav Gans - ja, der kann's! Doch unser Schwein ist auch nicht
klein!" Tick, Trick und Track
--- (Harald Havas) (Email removed)