Keskustelujen arkisto

I would like to reply to Christer Hanssen, who wanted to know if the
Super Duck's new adventures were italian. Yes they are, the Time Thief
must have been drawn by Claudio Sciarrone, a very young and great
drawner, who lives and works in Milan. If anyone wants to know more,
there is an excellent italian site called "anonima fumetti", very easy
to find, or there's the possibility to write to Alessandra Bertoldini
<(Email removed)>, who has discussed a thesis on Disney Comics at
the Philosophy University.
Alex Zar Pasquazzo

Hiya!

MICHAEL:

> How many Dutch scripted stories has Don drawn?
> Is there a separate index on this?

Depends on what you mean. They're not so many they'd fill an entire index
of their own. Here's the list:

CODE TITLE-CHARACTER/TITLE PAGES SCRIPT/ART
___________________________________________________
H 85218 DD (Well-Educated Duck) 10 JK/DR
H 87112 DaD (Forget Me Not) 3 JK/DR
H 87173 U$ (Leaky Luck) 1 JK/DR
H 87178 DD (Give Unto Others) 7 JK/DR
___________________________________________________

JK = Jan Kruse

BYRON:

[About LvD]
> You know him--always poking his inquisitive beak in all kinds of arcane
> research projects. Well, one day he poked a little too far. Yes, he
> defied arcanely written dire warnings, ancient curses, and Chinese
> fortune cookies and went ahead with a long-planned project to see if he
> could discover a reason for Cousin Fethry's existence.

This is interesting!

> Unfortunately, his conclusion was that there *is* no reason for Fethry
> to exist. Upon hearing this, Fethry promptly proceeded to violently
> implode.

Cool! But if he doesn't exist, how come I can read a story about him here,
in a magazine I'm currently holding in my left hand (the one I'm not writing
with)? ;-)

> The *psychic* aftershock of Fethry's implosion also led to many more
> fatalities. Among them:

You're kidding! Will they be away for good??!

HARRY:

> I hadn't included all special Rosa work yet (covers for foreign magazines,
> special drawings, etc.) because I didn't know about them. The things you
> sent me will be included in the next version. If I'm missing anything else,
> please let me know. I want to keep our Rosa index as complete as possible.

I'll send you an update by private mail, if you remind me.

> Dwight:
> ("It's Bats, Man!" from DD Adventures [Disney] 6)
>
>> Somebody really worked hard to squeeze the joke in...and the
>> translator was just lucky that Danish had an expression ("rats on
>> the roof") so close to "bats in the belfry."
>
> The Dutch language has no expression like that. The translation was literal,
> so the joke was completely lost in the Dutch version.

FELLOW SWEDES:

I guess this is the Swedish expression "att ha tomtar paa loftet", am I
right?

back to HARRY:

>> Btw, I didn't see that 'golden-coat' *anywhere* but in that one
>> Barks-panel.
>
> Neither did I. I don't think anyone used that coat again in a story.

Poor Carl. He didn't realize people would ignore the fact that he made the
fleeze into a coat. Everyone wanted the original fleeze back, and so it
happened.

BYRON:

Would this mean that the entire story "The Golden Fleecing" also is erased
from the Duckburgian universe? There's no actual reason for the story to
exist...

once again, back to HARRY:

> Interesting. In the first Dutch LVD story, everyone calls him *Uncle*.

Bad Dutch translation, you know! ;-)

> Could it
> be that the Swedish translators decided he was Scrooge's cousin? (What's
> a cousin in Swedish? A farbrorson?)

No, rather 'kusin'. I don't know if this is only the case in Sweden, with
LvD, I mean.

>>> ("Treasure Under Glass")
>>> There is no original Dutch issue. I said the Dutch reserved a code
>> I want that story-code...
>
> It's H 8967. (Or, in the "normalised" form I use in the database: H 89067.)

Thanks a lot!

>>> BTW: why don't you use the Don Rosa index to update your own index?
>> Who says I need to update it from other sources than my subscriptions?
>
> I'm only trying to avoid double work. There seem to be a lot of Rosa-indexes,
> all developed independently from each other.

Who cares? *I* don't trust any other guy's index, if it contains material I
haven't listed in my own, or haven't heard of before...

MARCO:

>> How many of these "Li'l Gum"-stories has he made? I know of two or three...
>
> There are many more. Some are very short, others longer. I should be able to
> trace down at least those with "Gum" in the title: I'll let you know.

Please do!

["WotW"-script]
> Please MAIL IT TO THIS LIST!

I don't think so... (it'd take an entire digest of its own!)

> (or at least privately to me)

OK.

JONATHAN:

> JAKOB:
> What is the code of the Scrooge "Les Miz" story?

J-1743

KRITON:

> You don't mention that Komix #100 comes with a device that is supposed to make
> square eggs: it's an unfolded plastic cube, where you're supposed to squeeze a
> boiled egg while it's still hot, and leave it in the refrigerator for 20
> minutes until it sets into its new shape!

I got one of those in the Swedish weekly a couple of years ago. And I've
tried this silly invention, it works! And even more, it looks nice! And
the egg still tastes egg, not plastic! Awesome!! Now, how does the guts of
the Plain Awfulltonian chickens work to make the egg look like this? Is
there anyone around who's been studying those chickens anatomy? ;-)

> This is the second request I got for translating Komix articles! How popular
> is this magazine outside Greece?

I just *love* it!!! Why don't Gladstone use this paper-quality? If they did,
their comics would sell *much* better, even in the US!

DON:

> JAKOB:
> I checked, and you're right. When other Egmont countries like Norway and
> Denmark started including full writer/artist credits on their Disney comics
> in 1991, Sweden did not do so. However, they did something much odder I see
> -- on my stories (only mine, they did this for no one else) they hand-wrote
> my name below the story title, inside the art borders. This made it look
> like I had actually SIGNED the story!

Actually, they only did this in the 3 parts of "War of the Wendigo".

> But,
> as you know, I am not in contact with any of these editors, so I don't have
> the slightest idea what was going on behind-the-scenes during any of this.

And even if you *would*, you wouldn't say so... ;-)

["WotW"]
> If this
> story ever does get to America, I won't change what the villain does to
> further wreck the environment, as that's the whole point of his villainy,
> that's why plain smoke wouldn't have been foul enough for him. But I'll just
> add a few words to make it clear that the animals avoided the poisons.

"NOTE: None of the animals got hurt during the production of this comic!"
;-)

> Hm... maybe it was my depiction of the businessman in the story that they
> didn't like. Does Disney own any paper or lumbermills anywhere?

They probably do, *somewhere*. I heard they even own hospitals and some (part
of?) a record company...

> MICHAEL:
> Thanks for the report on SF. But, by the way, Gladstone didn't delete the
> Mickey Mouse head from the cover of the 6th chapter until they used that
> cover on the album version.

Excuse me for never seeing anything, but *where* is that Mickey-head supposed
to be? On the head of the goat? I can only see the top of MM's ears there,
if that's where he's supposed to be...

JOACHIM:

[Harald writing]
>> Yeah! Me too! I dimly remember seeing a panel in a book ("Die Ducks
>> -Psychogram einer Sippe"?), where LvD states that he's Austrian.
>
> I looked up in the book "Die Ducks-Psychogram einer Sippe". On page 46
> there is a panel taken from German Micky Maus #51/1964, p. 10. There LVD
> stated that he is born in Vienna.

And Vienna is in Austria, so now we know for sure, don't we?

> JAKOB:
> Text for "War of the Wendigos" already received. Thanks a lot to Geir Netland!

That darn Geir! Still making his marks! ;-)

<heh-he!>

> LVD:
> I've red "The Piedpiper ..." story several times, but never noticed that
> this guy looking out the window should be LVD.

The board above him says "VON DRAKE LABORATORIES"...

*Yes*, they (or Don?) mispelled it in the comicbook, *van* Drake, I mean.

HARALD:

> About the "Taler"-story - sure this kind of thing has been done
> numerous times, that's why I said it sounded like a story-idea.
> When done, I think, it could develop in something distinctive different
> though - centered more around the "Taler" and less the "Hunt".

Like.. the Disney-cartoon "Uncle $crooge and Money", which centres more on
money than on $crooge? I actually don't think such a documentary story fits
in a Disney comicbook (which is meant to be entertaining, *funny*). But I
haven't seen it yet, so maybe it'll look good even in *my* opinion...

(Let's hope so, eh?)

> ARTHUR'S COMPUTER PROBLEMS
> The answer is out there: Aliens mutilated your keyboard!

I'd rather say it's Per's digest system (but don't ask me *how*!)...

KRITON:

["WotW"]
> BTW, the villain's Italian name was "Devasto Deforestis", which is very
> appropriate, even in English! I wonder what his English name was.

It's Ravage Deflora.

BYRON:

> Gee, I always though ol' Ludwig was *Swiss*!

Because of...?

FABRIZIO Paperone:

> All:
>
> I would be very interested in having the original script of "War of the
> Wendigo" too; so, don't delay, put it on the web, on this list, or at
> list in my personal e-mail box !

I guess you took care of this already, Geir?

ERIC:

[...]
> Can't believe you read all of this!

I wish I coulda been there! :-(

BENT:

> But who could possibly love DuckTales?

Me. I was about 12 years old when DuckTales entered Swedish television, and
this was my first (to me known) contact with Barks' classic tales. My father,
who read the original stories when he grew up, told me that those were "Old
Classic Comics" they seemed to have re-made for TV (he wasn't *very* familiar
with the name Carl Barks, *then* ;-) ). He enjoyed the show too, since it
brought back memories from *his* childhood. I got interested in this origin
of the magnificent adventures of Uncle $crooge, and began to wonder where to
find them. Now and then there was a "Favorit i repris", featuring a Barks-
tale in the Swedish weekly, but it got too boring to wait for it. And the
adventures *I* wanted never came, anyway. So I bought a couple of albums
("Kalle Ankas Baestisar"), which featured some great stories, and I used to
spend *hours* reading "Guldboeckerna" (the Golden Books) at our local
library (not a chance I could afford to *buy* those, back then). So that's
what I spent my sparetime on as a Duckling, watching tapes with DuckTales,
and then reading the original stories by Barks, over and over again.

<sigh!> :-)

> You also mention "the Phantom Blot
> imposter". Hopefully you mean that the bad guys (IMHO especially the Beagle
> Boys) should be tougher in the future.

"Come one, chums! I've got a plan! We kill off $crooge on his way to the
bank. Then we go straight to the bin, shooting napalm on his guards <Hah!>,
and murder-flees on the dawgs! Then it's just to walk away with the money!"

No way! Not the Beagle Boys Inc., NOPE!!

> Yes, the CB reprints are getting quite annoying. Especially when you're
> also buying the libraries... so if the DB reprints were dropped from DD,
> the numbers of dailies could be doubled! Yummy!

Why not employ new cartoonists, getting rid of the every-issue reprint of a
Barks-story (maybe have one in every *third* issue, or something), and give
a book collecting all the lovely Taliaferro-strips in a deluxe hard-cover
series? The Al Taliaferro Library in Color, eh? *I* like the idea, but I
think the guys at Gladstone doesn't... (Gary?)

> ...but I guess we are quite alone with this point of view here. ;)

Why? *I* like them too...

RICH:

> Actually, the party idea might not be a bad one,
> if they try to invite not only the family (no, I wouldn't mind seeing Ludwig,
> and I'd LIKE to see Mickey and Minnie make it) but old friends like
> Glittering Goldie and Wanda Waddle.

What about Birgitta MacBridge? It'd be nice to see her at the party too, IMO.
To see that she still cares for $crooge...

DON:

[Rich wrote:]
> I would NOT like to see a Marv
>> Wolfman/Marvel-style plot with all the villains getting together to rob
>> Scrooge,
>
> Uuuhhhh-oooooooooh!

What's this??

> Actually, in my usual style, I didn't like any of those ideas very much
> individually. So I used them ALL together. [...]
> We'll see if I can take an idea that you
> would NOT like, and do it in an entertaining (?) way. At least such an idea
> in a Duck comic would involve NO mindless fighting, so it rises above the
> super-hero genre for that reason alone (and that's not a small one!).

You.. you mean that you're doing a story with all villains turning their
heads together for an "invulnerable" strike on $crooge's bin????!!

Or did I misunderstand it?

FREDRIK:

[Jonathan wrote:]
>> Few issues isn't a problem. The Colombian index on the ftp site only has
>> three issues total in it (all submitted by me).
>
> Perhaps so, but for me personally the result of a three-issue database is
> not worth the effort involved.

"Effort"?? You call it an effort to index three issues??! Gosh!

PIETER:

> Not even our editor- in-chief knows anything about this! Why GP
> is on a German comic-convention is something I like to know! Are you
> absolutely sure, Harald? Wasn't it something like "German Press-agency"?
> Oh, I know... since aliens seem to invade this List, maybe they're planning
> to take over our universe, starting with a visit to German
> comic-conventions. Very smart!

Entering Gremlin Gus... ;-)

HARALD:

> STUFF
> The following questions have as yet been unanswered:
> 1. How's the "Hunchback"-movie? Nobody dares to answer that?

Or rather: Nobody cares to go see it, because they don't want to know they've
wasted money on a ticket for *another* Disney super-goof like "Pocahontas"...

> 2. How many Disney-comics-stories ARE there? Excluding gag-strips,
> including one-pagers. Any idea? My estimate stands at 200-250.000...

That low??! I mean.. in Sweden the weekly Kalle Anka & C:o has been published
since 1948 (then monthly), and that's quite alot of stories just here. Of
course, most of those have also been printed in other countries, but there
must've been made *more* than a over-the-world-total of 250.000 stories...

Or? Harry? ;-)

HARRY:

> Rumour goes that Carl Barks wrote another story, and that it's not
> certain yet who is going to draw the story. That's all I know.
> Does anyone have more information?

Poor Carl. Won't they *ever* leave him alone? He's *retired* since 30 years,
goddamit! And Disney still think he's their slave... :(

Not that I don't want to see another Barks-story, but I think they're going
too far with the Old Man.

DAVID:

> [By the way, Jakob, whatever happened to the story we were working
> on? Last thing I knew, you were drawing a final version... but...]

There's lots more things we need to discuss, in *private* mail. But whenever
I send you a message, I don't get no answer whatsoever. And this has been
going on since... *January*??! Didn't you receive any? Please send me a
message, since it seems I can't get through to *you*...

HARALD:

> PS: Just received and read Asterix XXX - not bad! (= surprise)...

Whuzzat? A new Asterix-album?

MIKE P. (also Don):

> And come to think of this story, if Donald and HDL would really like
> to surprise him they'd probably give him a trip to Alaska as a gift with
> going to his old gold mine once more and living the life Scrooge always liked.
> This would give a chance of featuring at least Goldie, Soapy and the Peeweegahs
> in Alaska, several family members coming along from Duckburg, several villains
> suspecting Scrooge was up to something that's bring him lots of money and
> following him there, and lots of goodies from the same places coming after
> the baddies to stop them, but ending up stopping somebody else. And all the
> time Scrooge would be totally unknowing of all this just trying to re-live
> his youth.

Why not send $crooge on a around-the-world trip, to recall memories from his
youth? The Beagle Boys think there's something neat going on, following the
Ducks, getting stopped doing harming stuff to the Ducks by Terries/Fermies,
Atlantishabitants, and a number of other "Barks-tribes"? Or did he meet those
after his 50s? Probably, eh? Heck, it'd make a great story anyhow... ;-)

MIKKO:

> I have the Finnish 'lost library' cover (it came with the book,
> amazing!) and also a poster of it on my wall. If I remember,
> I try to ask if my comic-shop has any posters left anymore.

I'm also interested in such a poster! Let me know if there's anyone left
for me too! :-D

> You're a bit late with this one...

Well, *I'm* not! I already have the book! ;-) (thanks to the Trekkie)

HARALD:

> ASTERIX
[...]
> All in all not a classic, but worth the money.

I saw this one in a bookstore today. You say it's good? Well, I'll go buy
it then.

There's actually no obvious reason for why I *shouldn't* anyway, since I
already have the others... ;-)

Maybe it's just that I'm too sceptical against "new classics"...

JONATHAN:

> GLADSTONE:
> Will you insert a square-egg-maker with the next reprint of a Plain Awful story?

Is Gladstone a member of the club? This name seems to appear in apparently
every digest nowadays! Still (I believe) most people must mean Gary (?)...

Or am I wrong?

Gary might even be nicknamed Gladstone, what do I know?

GARY:

> The e-mail addresses on my signature were informational, letting everyone
> know that they can now send mail to Gladstone that can be flagged for
> specific titles. [...]

I came to think (of something Augie might've asked already, which I've forgot),
is it possible to send letters to the Gazette by E-mail? If so, what's the
address?

TORSTEN:

[...]
> If not, I think a variation on Don Rosa's recent anniversary cover, with the
> floating heads, would look very nice, and be somewhat affordable.

What's this? I don't remember hearing of such a cover (and definetely didn't
see it yet - due to the slow work of Greger and the guys at NAFS(k). R U still
there, Greger?), so what exactly is it?

> I would like to see, if possible, small asterices located next to the panels,
> noting entries in Rosa's bibliography. Also, the family tree could serve as
> endpapers, with a special section at the end containing the covers, the two
> "extra" chapters which appeared after the series, and a "making of" essay
> written by Don Rosa. Cover it in leather (or acceptable alternative) and
> stamp it with the McDuck family crest. Add a signature plate, and sell it
> for $50.

I'd *definitely* buy it! Whatever the price would be!

Hmm.. maybe not *any price*, but...

Heck! ;-)

DAVID JOHNSON:

> Hey come on you guys. I need more than two messages a day.

"Need"??

> People in my
> 6th grade class are getting two hundred to four hundred messages a day.
> Can't you do better than two messages a day?

Well, this ain't a mailinglist on "How to make people drown in E-mail", but
I'm now working on my final answers... ;-)

Btw, I believe you're subscribed to the Digest, aintcha? So if you want more
messages from this place, just re-subscribe to the other one, which gives
you every message directly, and singlely (!). Ask Per for details...

HARALD:

> DONALD'S MIDDLE NAME
> According to a guy who writes about Disney-stuff in a local network,
> Donald's middle name is "Fauntleroy".
> I very much doubted this info, but he cites a short called "Donald
> gets drafted" as source. There, on an official paper the name is
> shown. Now, is this true?

Sure.

> And if it is, is it "canon"?

I suppose it is (?).

> Generally the shorts seem to be slightly off the comics: like in the
> name of HDL's mother: Della in the comics, Dumbella in the shorts...

Wasn't it the other way around? I remember Donald reading "Cousin Della"
on the postcard from his sister in "Donald's Nephews" (1937). Of course,
I could be wrong, I haven't watched this cartoon for a while. However,
"Della" is the nickname of Dumbella Duck.

> Donald F. Duck? Doesn't really have a ring to it...

In Sweden he's called Karl Magnus "Kalle" Anka (not *only* mentioned on the
Family-tree, but also in other places). Karl and Magnus are Royal Swedish
names, if you get what I mean, and together they sound perty' cool. And - I
don't find it Donald Fauntleroy Duck wrong either...

See ya!
---

Greetings from J a k o b

On Oct 19, 1:31am, Kriton Kyrimis wrote:
> Subject: Copyright status of Barks' characters
> I had a strange thought the other day: If I'm not very mistaken, most
of
> our beloved characters (Scrooge, the Beagle Boys, Gladstone, Gyro,
Glomgold,
> to name but a few) were created by Barks while he was freelancing,
and *not
> working for Disney*. I was wondering therefore, why are these
characters the
> property of Disney, and not of Carl Barks? It somehow doesn't sound
right
> that simply because the characters appeared with Disney-owned
characters,
> like Donald, they would automatically become the property of Disney.
>
The simple answer is the legal concept of "work for hire." Anything
Barks created while working for Disney on Disney characters became
the property of Disney. There's probably a written agreement to that
effect that Barks signed. This applies to freelancers working for
Disney licensees as well as to salaried employees working in
Burbank for the Big D itself. Even as a lowly translator, I've had
to sign such an agreement several times over the years. I'm sure
that long ago, Barks signed away every claim he might have had to
anything he ever created for Disney, and probably more than once.

Now, in recent years, "work for hire" has been controversial among
the creative types, and different companies have different
arrangements. In Denmark, Freddy Milton has retained ownership
of his "Hans Vik" character even while using it in Woody Woodpecker
stories, apparently by special agreement with the Walter Lantz
company. In Belgium, Franquin has managed to acquire ownership of
the Marsupilami and license it separately to Disney, even though
he created it while working on the Spirou strip for Dupuis. Disney,
however, is pretty jealous of its rights as far as its core
characters go. You sign the paper as a condition of working for
Disney, and you accept the fact that you can't claim ownership of
anything you create for Disney. Your eyes were open and you knew
what you were getting into when you signed the paper, after all,
There are different opinions on whether Disney _should_ demand
all rights like that, but that's where it stands.

--Dwight Decker

Hiya!
Phew! Now I'm finished with answers to *10* digests! And -- actually I'm
grateful to all of you - that you didn't write *more* during this time! ;-)

Well, heh! See ya!
---

Greetings from an exhausted D o n a l d i s t

--------------------------------
End of Disney comics Digest V96 Issue #228
******************************************

DWIGHT:
I liked your modern-art-museum gag. I agree. The entire contents of
"collectibes" dealers' stores would also disappear. No more Disney "sericels"!

JAKOB
>), and give a book collecting all the lovely Taliaferro-strips in a deluxe hard-cover
>series? The Al Taliaferro Library in Color, eh? *I* like the idea, but I
>think the guys at Gladstone doesn't... (Gary?)

There is a Taliaferro-Sunday-page collection in German. It's nice
BUT...! I recently found out that the format's all wrong: in the
original the sundays were two (three?) very long strips of panels
(newpapers are broad). Now in the albums (album-sized) the panels are
re-arranged to fit the page (4 (5?) strips now). And this completely
ruins the art! Taliaferro played a lot with stuff like round boarders
etc. all this is lost in the boring new layout. But, well, at least WE can
get them AT ALL! ;-)

>Wasn't it the other way around? I remember Donald reading "Cousin Della"
>on the postcard from his sister in "Donald's Nephews" (1937). Of course,
>I could be wrong, I haven't watched this cartoon for a while. However,
>"Della" is the nickname of Dumbella Duck.

Nonononono... you see "Della" was a real relative of Al Taliaferro
(his sister methinks, maybe sister-in-law, but I would have to look
that up), that's why he named HDL's mother Della. He always included
his real life and relatives in the strips. When the short came out,
years later, the animation guy "funny-ized" the original name to
"Dumbella" just for laughs... (haha)

MM#43
...featured an Egmont "Super-Duck"-story (D-93159), which was VERY
Batman ("Bat-Signal" and all) - it even had a Penguin as villain!
I didn't know Egmont did Super-Ducks, however, it followed the
(old) italian continuity. (BTW Donald even flies, though unwillingly,
outside earth's atmosphere with a rocket belt...)

CHARACTER-CARDS
Well, I decided to include the infos here weekly. If somebody
dislikes them, he can always scroll by.
MM #43 featured Madame Mim and Clarabella Cow.
C's star-sign is given as Gemini (same as Minnie), known relative is a
nephew ("Bertram"), among her friends there is a hen called
"Henriette Huhn" - now, might this be the one and only "Little Red
Hen? - the source of Donaldism itself?!? But in the picture she's
white... (First German appearence C.: 1956)
Madam Mim is supposed to be Pisces, there are no relatives named,
but April, May, June and lots of other children in Duckburgh are
given as her closest friends. Her role model is Merlin. (FGA: 1965)

One thing I found VERY interesting: the cover of her card features
APJ playing on a wonderful meadow in front of a nice house, besides a
small creek with happy fish - above flies Madame Mim. But observing
it closer you can see that the rolly-polly environment is just MM's
magic! Behin a magic cloud you find industry, pollution, destroyed
houses, dead trees and in the, here polluted, creek even a dead(!) fish,
swimming belly upwards... In one word VERY DEPRESSING! (Ok, two
words...)
Now this is daring stuff for Disney - wouldn't you agree?

Harald

"Delirant isti romani!" - Obelix

--- (Harald Havas) (Email removed)

Hi, again!
I hope it worked now?
/Jakob