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> > The term "Norse" doesn't refer specifically to Norway. It's a term
> > used for the ancient cultures of the Scandinavian countries
> > (and Iceland).

> Does this mean that references to Norse gods in "Mythtic
> Mystery" (US 34) are in fact references to "gods of ancient cultures of
the
> Scandinavian countries and Iceland"?

Yes. And btw. Iceland is usually regarded as a "Scandinavian" country.
Political struggle forced people from Northern Norway to colonize iceland,
and from there they migrated to Greenland and even North America..

The Viking Helmet that Donald discovers in a certain famous Barks comic
is surely northern Norwegian or Icelandic in origin.

> Or did the Scandinavian countries have different gods at that time,
> meaning that the Norse gods really are gods from only the ancient
> culture of Norway?

Not to _my_ knowledge. Btw. in that case it would be "Norwegian gods"
instead of "Norse gods".

The Norse pantheon of gods were spread fairly even throughout todays
scandinavia, everywhere where you could find Vikings and todays northern
Germany - even though there was big differences between the german kind
and the viking kind.

In northern Scandinavia (northern Norway, Sweden, Finland and Russia
actually)
there are the Sami people (formerly known to us outsiders as "Laplanders"
today
often a slightly derogatory term) with a completely different religion (more
like
native american indians religion than the Norse one.)

Well.. this is going waaaay off topic so I think I'll stop there.. :-)

If someone want's to know more I recommend a history book, or
private E-mail.. :-)

// Steamboat Willie

Hi all,
>From: "Olaf Solstrand" <harryklein at hotmail.com>
>I have a feeling that one of the most boring things in the world must be to
>finally finish a Disney story, a huge project you've been working on for
>weeks, and then suddenly have nothing to do... I feel a bit that way now. I
>wanna start on a new story, but I'm not sure what to write about... But I
>have lots of wild ideas... Here are some of them. (I would like comments):

>- Blackheart Beagle gets his hands on the "hypnotize gun" which Scrooge
used
>to get Donald charge a very strong man for some money (the story where
>Donald was hypnotized to be a gorilla) and manages to make it hypnotize
>everybody, not just them with low will-power... or whatever the word is...
>and he uses it in an attempt to finally get his revenge on Scrooge

the hypnogun story is one of Barks advance story-telling i've ever read
imho. That's simply because it's against all logical explanation. I suggest
you not to do the sequel to this story. You must be wandering why. It's
pretty simple, the hypnogun *is* actually a toy. How DD can be hypnotized by
it, it's beyond logic. In that story, we saw that DD tried to use it on US
but failed tho' US pretends that he was hypnotized. But once US tries to
show DD that DD is a sucker for believing such things, DD was indeed
hypnotized. DD then take the hypnogun and we again saw that DD tried to use
it on a huge guy but failed, but when the guy used it on DD, it worked. How
that toy gun can affect DD but not the others? I have my own theory. It is
becoz DD believes that the gun is for real that he thinks and act according
to it, too. We can see that DD though have been transformed into a
chicken(?, sorry i forget exactly), he still has parts of him thinking as a
bill collector, then when he was hypnotized as a gorilla, he still acts
partially as bill-collector and half-gorilla.
The original version stated that it works towards people with gullible mind.
But one thing for fact is, that hypnogun is nothing but a plastic toy, you
even have to use your own voice as sund-effect ("Bing") ;-) surely not a
mechanical toy of some sort.
Anyway that's only my opinion =)

>- One of the nephews have a date with a beautiful duck girl (probably
>Dewey)... this is just a small thought yet, I have no actually plot on what
>will happen...

maybe you can make it so the other nephews were fighting or trying to charm
themselves to get the attraction of the girl? ;)

Sorry i replied this one rather late, have been quite busy these weeks but i
really want to say my opinion about the hypnogun story simply cause i like
that story, too.

From: LordPres at aol.com
Subject: Disney comics in English?
To: <dcml at stp.ling.uu.se>

Just to verify, are there ANY countries that currently produce Disney comics
in the English language?

Mark Wright

In addition to what Harry Fluks have stated which are the Egmont India and
some Italian deluxe: there was a bilingual edition of Disney comics a few
years ago. the production of this lineup has been stopped due to "licensee
problem" Now where do we have heard that kind of things before? ;-)
Anyway, Indonesia still print some reprints of the bilingual editions in the
form of tradepaperback and is titled The Very Best of Donald Duck. Right now
just reached the 3rd edition. But there's nothing unique here sadly. Only
got a few barks ten-pager stories and no Rosa stories which is a sad thing.
I am still uncertain of Singaporean edition as i haven't check any of my
friends there.

there is rumor that Disney Indonesia is currently trying to renew the
license to produce the bilingual editions again.

Best,
Arie Fachrisal who has a gullible mind.

OLIVIER to me, 27-04-2001:

>> Again, it just depends on what one decides to believe. For me,
>> personally, Uncle Scrooge is still alive today.

> I never really thought about it. Don Rosa's "real-life" approach is fine.
> But somehow I rather not think about the Duck's (or the Mouse's) death.
> Sure, they risk trheir lives in many adventures. But thinking that
> Scrooge is dead-- or that HDL have grown up and married...
> It's probably due to some kind of sentimental attachment to the
> characters as we know them-- or some problem with the notion of death?

For me it's for sentimental reasons and for the lack of freedom the
ducks (or any other character) will have when being stuck in a certain
year in history.

I like reading stories with an intended 'classic' look, but I also like
stories which reflect the world of today. So, that's why I prefer looking
at the comics as being "timeless".

Best wishes,

--- Daniel

In France in 1956, "skunk oil" was first translated as
"codliver oil". I think names and expressions were
very often changed in those days. (Every time a name
would supposedly fit better for the French-Belgian
audience or better in general, it was used).

I like the "Margarine factory" idea very much though,
even if it's not Barks' original. I remember a great
story where Donald exchanges work with an aristocrat
(code must be D 8294).
Best wishes

Melanie

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At 12.24 09/05/2001 +0200, Halsten Aastebol wrote:
>At 11:38 09.05.01 +0200, Marco Barlotti wrote:
>
>>I've checked
>>http://www.geocities.com/maurepas0011/
>>and the version of "Lost in the Andes" they have there has some problems:
>>
>>page 7 is missing (you see page 13 instead)
>>page 18 is missing (you see page 24 instead)
>>page 27 is missing (you see page 30 instead)
>>page 28 is missing (you see page 31 instead)
>>page 33 is missing (you see nothing instead)
>
>Hmm? "Lost in the Andes" has only got 32 pages.
>

I'm sorry... I meant page 32 is missing!

Marco

http://marcobar.cce.unifi.it/Comics

Barks may have had Donald work at the Skunk Oil Factory, but another
possible explanation may involve another famous American cartoon which had a
couple of grungy characters who worked "down at the skonk works" -- see Al
Capp's strip "Li'l Abner." In fact, the workers at one American secret
research facility during World War II called their project "the skunk works"
as a humorous code phrase.

Don Markstein, help! Can you refer to your vast knowledge and files to shed
a little more light on this? Which came first, Al Capp's Skonk Works or
Donald's job?

BTW, non-native English speakers: "skonk works" is an intentionally wrong
spelling Al Capp used to indicate a regional pronunciation from the South --
specifically, the Ozarks, of which Arkansas is a part (where former Pres.
Bill Clinton was Governor before his election as President). The characters
are supposed to be uneducated low-class fellows.

OLIVIER, 29-04-2001:

> [Duckburg's location] And in WDC&S 49, commenting on WDC&S 280 (Jan '64):
> "In "Double Masquerade" I used the seashore of Duckburg-- not too out of
> place for Burbank, which is a half-hour drive from the ocean."

I looked up this quote and saw that Barks continued about the
U.S.A. surfing fashion of the 1960s:

"There was quite a fad for surfing at that time. The Beach Boys songs were
very popular on the radio. Please don't be disturbed by the antics of a
fictional surfing club. They 'kidnapped' their reluctant members in order
to put up a united front for a good surfing show. I used their strong-arm
methods as a menace to Donald's safety, a mere story gimmick."

As far as I know, The Beach Boys came from Soutern California and started
in 1961. Up to Barks' submission on July 15, 1963, most or all of their
hits were about surfing: "Surfin'" (1962), "Surfin' Safari" (1962); and
"Surfin' USA" (1963).

In Barks' story, the surfing club is called the "Sailin' Surfers" and
he seems to use a surf 'dialect' of that time:

- "Cowabunga! Dig those curlers, surfers!" /
"Real gassers for hot-dogging and shooting the tube!" (1.2)
- "Where's your surfboard, Ducko, old surfer?" (1.4)
- "We've got a spare one and some baggies in the woody!" (6.8)
- "Donald Duck is shooting the tube with a one-foot stand!" (8.7)
- "Now he's WALKIN' THE NOSE!" (8.8)
- "And HANGING THREE with a one foot stand!" /
"That Duck is the MOST!" (9.1)

In panel 5.7, Donald-as-Scrooge answers the Sailin' Surfers that he was
just "foolin'" (note the apostrophe). I guess that the real Scrooge would
have pronounced "fooling". Maybe Barks makes a gag here by showing Donald
unconsiciously using the surf dialect when seeing the Sailin' Surfers?

Best wishes,

--- Daniel