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At 21:06 09.05.01 -0400, RMorris306 at aol.com wrote:
>
> Odin, for instance, is the Scandinavian
>name of the god known as Wotan in Germany and as Woden in Britain, where he
>gave his name to Wednesday.

Interesting! In Norway Odin also gave his name to Onsdag (Wednesday).
And Thor gave Torsdag (Thursday), Freja gave Fredag (Friday)......

Halsten

Hey everyone:

>I seem to remember they've talked about the margarine factory at least
>since the eighties, possibly longer.

I've done some research here at Egmont:
WDC 165's skunk oil factory became a margarine factory for the first
time in Denmark in 1955. Other countries apparently got it from Denmark.
This DCML debate has taken us to a revelation here within Egmont: this fact
that in the 1950s, our Scandinavian comics were translated from each other
rather than from Barks' originals. Our old records never said anything about
it, which is why I didn't bother to do a comparison and find out before.
Moving on to how the margarine factory became a standard, my Egmont
cohort Lars Bergstr?m tells me more: in 1979 he and fellow editor J?rgen
Fogedby decided to give Donald a "standard" workplace when he wasn't working
for Scrooge. They picked the margarine factory, thinking it Barks' idea; at
the time, they had no access to the English version, but since Lars (a
Swede) and J?rgen (a Dane) both remembered it from their own countries'
versions, it seemed like it must be in the original, too.
More recently, finding it wasn't, the Egmont editors have - as
people have noticed - brought back the skunk oil factory, along with other
boring-but-funny jobs. Still, there is quite a tradition here of Donald
making margarine, as well as now and then flooding the city with the
slippery stuff.

David

Hi,
I am completing this week an article of Disney Comic Magazines before the war in Europe for Tomart's Disneyana. I just realised however, that I am missing a few crucial illustrations for the part about Italy.
I am wondering if any of the Italian members could send me good quality scans of three things :
1. Front page one issue of the magazine "I Tre Porcelini"
2. Front page of one issue of the magazine "Paperino e Altre Avventure"
3. Front page of one issue of the magazine Topolino from the war featuring Tuffolino
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The talk about the blood relationship distance of Gladstone to Scrooge
brought to my mind some inconsistencies and contradictions even within
Barks' own work.

In 1949 "Race to the South Seas" Barks defines that relationship as
follows: Uncle Scrooge is "Gladstone's Mother's Brother's Brother-in-Law".
That is not even a distant BLOOD relationship. That is a very distant
relationship by marriage. There is No nation on this DCML that would
recognise or award an inheritance for such a weak relationship. He would
have the same right of claim (none) as anyone off the street. he could
only inherit through specific instructions (will or testament) of Scrooge.

Yet, in WDC 155, Barks has Scrooge disgusted with the fact that Donald,
Huey, Dewey, Louie and GLADSTONE are his NEAREST RELATIVES. Therefore,
Scrooge's parents, sisters and brothers, nieces and nephews and all other
cousins must have died (as must have Donald's parents). I also remember
Huey, Dewey and Louie reminding Donald that they are orphans in one or two
Taliaferro strips; and Donald and all three Boys reminding Scrooge that
they are ALL orphans in a Jack Bradbury drawn long Donald Duck story in
1953 (can't remember which - but it was so Scrooge would be shamed into
letting them enjoy his fancy estate (including swimming pool).

So, perhaps all this talk of Scrooge's sisters being alive at the same time
as Huey, Dewey,and louie are old enough to talk, is inaccurate. Or,
perhaps it is best to leave the "Magic World of Barks' canon open to any
story situations which do not provide MAJOR contradictions (which not even
CASUAL Fans could stomache), and not try to tie down the history and
relationhips so tightly that current writers cannot be as innovative as
posible.

Donald's parents must have died. I assume Donald's sister Della (Dumbella)
also died (as must the Boys' father) - else why would the Boys have stayed
with Donald after visiting him (as almost strangers) when she WAS alive?
As Don Rosa implied, there are contradictions in Barks; so, in order to
derive a coherent history, one must discard some of the information. It is
clear that once some Barksian information is thrown away, the non-
scientific derivation of a history is therefore tainted. It is therefore
only good for interest and amusement, but cannot be considered "gospel".

Cheers, Rob klein

Ah, good ol' David G. at Egmont clearing everything up for us! I was hoping
you would, since you are so close to the margarine... or at least its
source! David's account confirms what I always thought had happened,
although I didn't know the exact time and names of the people involved.
Also, I didn't realize until some years ago that Scandinavian translations
were so dependent of each other. I used to believe that the margarine was a
pure Swedish invention. (Hmm, at least the Duckburg margarine.)

Thank you, David!

Let me add that this issue is discussed on the Swedish Donaldist mailing
list as well. People have remarked that they do find the word "margarine"
somewhat funny, especially in conjunction with a factory, even if the
actual product isn't very exciting. I also like Halsten Aastebol's point
(made recently on this list) that the idea of a factory specializing on
just this one type of product can be funny in itself.

Let me also relate a very interesting post from the Swedish list by Lars
Petrus, who reminds us that many people were suspicious when margarine
first was introduced some 50 years ago. It was regarded somewhat unnatural,
maybe like some people think today of food that has been manipulated
genetically. Lars says that margarine even had to be colored blue in
Sweden, lest some unsuspecting customer might confuse it with real butter!
This is something I've never heard before, and I'll agree with Lars that it
might have added some comedy to the mentioning of the substance in 1955.

Stefan Dios
Malmo, Sweden

>> > A margarine factory? I don't get it. Barks' "skunk oil" factory
sounds
>> > funny... You're right, it isn't particularly funny. I guess they
just
>>wanted to
>>think of a factory that was as boring as possible,

>Maybe the danish translator, Sonia Rindom perhaps (?), was thinking
that as
>there is no such thing as skunk oil, it should be changed. (?) And
that
>translation came to other Skandinavian Disney-books too.
I checked my versions of the story (two reprints - I don't know if the
dialogue is changed). At least in the reprints he does not talk about
margarine whatsoever.

>She changed the
>Screaming Cowboy to Crying Sailor also.. And that change was seen in
all
>Skandinavian weeklies. Easy to see that they were translated from
danish
>then..
The song of the Crying Sailor is a classic in Denmark. a singer made
it, a girl tried to claim she made it, and a mayopr newspaper made a
cotnast in 1999 telling people to make some more verses for it. They
sing it on the tune of Home on the range. (ranch?) - In Sweden the
founders of Nafs(k) travelled to Calisota and found the lyrics for it.

AC

Timo

A. C. Sivebaek
acsive at mail.mira.dk

ANDERS SIVEBAEK to OLAF SOLSTRAND, 06-05-2001:

>> [story idea] - Scrooge and the nephews go to Oak Island, Donald finds
>> a record store where they sell "The screaming cowboy". He buys it and
>> it turns out it has a very special effect on the waves on the ocean...

> This Oak Island have confused me. I don't hink I will be able to look
> it up in a danish encyclopedia, could one of you danes here help me?

Searching for "+oak +island" at "http://www.altavista.com", this is one
of the sites I found as a result:

A Critical Analysis of the Oak Island Legend
"http://www.people.fas.harvard.edu/~joltes/oakisland/oak.html"

Best wishes,

--- Daniel