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From: "Don Rosa" <donrosa at iglou.com>
> (Yes,folks, "HorizonHse at aol.com" is the guy who, while I
> was off in Norway, told the tall-tale here on the ML of
> me refusing to speak to or autograph anything for any
> fans at Oakland's WonderCon a year ago, after I declined
> to bow to his demands that I draw him full-color
> illustrations on the spot.)

Not that I really think you believe Mr. Horizon is ME, but I met you at
last year's Oakland WonderCon, and I can vouch for the fact that you DO
indeed autograph... in fact you autographed two prints that I picked up
at your table (one of which proudly hangs in my Office at work), and you
signed the DUCK FAMILY TREE inside the comic, which you thought was odd,
if I recall correctly. :-) It was nice to meet you and thanks for the
signing my comic!

TO: Everyone/Anyonw who knows:
Concerning another item recently mentioned:

Pardon my ignorance, but I recall briefly seeing something about renewed
negotiations concerning the return of Disney Comics to the US. I don't
know what issue of the Mailing List it was on, so if someone wouldn't
mind recapping exactly what the outcome of said negotiations are?
Please. Will we have comics soon? Will they be all NEW, foreign
reprints, or more of the same old re-re-re-reprinted stories I don't
think I have enough copies of yet?

I really wish to see some of the new stuff, such as Rosa's "Three
Caballeros Ride Again!" and some of the David Gerstein Mickey Mouse
stories.... all in ENGLISH! ;-) I don't mind a few reprints mixed in
with new stuff, but I really want NEW stuff..... (at least new to the
US, whether it be from Italy, Brazil, France, or any place else where
Disney comics have been publish over the decades never reaching the US
shores, or all-new, all-original never-before published anywhere Stories!!!).

"Nuff said!"

Rich Bellacera

Hi
Dani?l this adress thing is funny!
You mention Donals's adress in US 5 is 1313 Webfoot Walk - I think that
became a rather steady fact. Like in Denmark where Donald usually lives
at Paradise apple (know those fruits??) road no. 111.

I don't think Scrooge and Donald would live on the same street - Barks
might have just used Quack street as one great fun gag-name. Scrooge
would either live in the Bin or in his big mansion, Donald would live
on a street where other middle class people live, such as webfoot (down
on the ground..)

In Denmark, in the begnning of the 90'
es when the weekly was enlarged with 8 pages, they started telling of
the charecters when they had birthdays, and a series in 1993 set spot
on a chrecter everytime. From these pages we eg. learned that Gyro
lives in Genius street, Gladstone live in the Fortuna-Parc-road and so
on. Mickey lives at Mouse Road, Minnie at Mouse Track (Remember we
haven't got the term Mouseton in Denmark) - Goofy at Muzzle road, which
calls for an explanation : In danish Goofy's is called Fedtmule,
referring to the fact that his not very slim (fat) and he has quite a
big nose/mouth, a muzzle (I think that's the explanation- correct me if
I'm wrong).
Scrooge lives at road of big wealth. ON my map of Duckburg, I can see
more of these names. The bad thing is, that every charecter lives on a
road called after him or herself, and that makes the streets very
short. a bit unrealistic, but anyway, many new stories of Duckburg are
too.
I don't think we ever leanred Scrooge's phone-number in DK. We did
learn Donald's once, but that was a real recording machine at the
publishers were kids would call from 9am to 3 pm on weekdays and tell
if they liked the weekly to have this or that kind of stories and so.

A. C. Sivebaek
acsive at mail.mira.dk

From: "Olaf Solstrand" <harryklein at hotmail.com>
>>>Hi there! I've just read the "new" Don Rosa story, the one where the
Beagle
Boys finds an architect drawing and tries to break into the Bin. Excellent
work, Don Rosa! It couldn't have been easy making that drawing of the Bin?
Really excellent work!

I just sent the finished "Crown of the Crusader Kings" off to Copenhagen,
so
I'll reply:
Those very authentic looking Money Bin blueprints were created by DAN SHANE
by computer. I gave him my sketches and described what I wanted, then he
went to work, adding his own ideas, and sending me numerous (!!!) versions
by e-mail until we revised it ad nauseum, and came out with what you see
there. Our original English version took a *long* time to create. I imagine
the flat-page-rate pay (which I shared with Dan) came out to about 30 cents
per hour. (And I'm not kidding! The Money Bin blueprints were a project
done for fun.)
But there are other interesting points -- the original computer file of the
blueprints is, of course, in English. I was very worried that the
blueprints would not appear correctly, especially if all of our labels
would be translated and then added to the drawings by Egmont branches. Even
if they didn't miss lots of them, the font would *not* be the lovely
simulated architect-hand-lettering that Dan had on the original. And worst
of all, the Money Bin emblem would be added to the facade in the usual
"child-with-a-black-marker scrawl" as it always appears in Egmont
editions -- this would have been hideous, spoiling all Dan's careful work!
So I arranged for Dan to create *special* versions exclusively for the main
Egmont publishers in Denmark, Sweden and Norway! We obtained translations
of all the hundreds of labels from folks like ML member and Egmont
translator Stefan Dios, and Dan carefully created *three more* entire sets
of blueprints, including the addition of carefully designed Bin emblems for
each publisher. We also did this for Finland. We sent the drawings to each
publisher via e-mail, and I described to each publisher how the blueprints
should be printed (converted from black lines on white to white on blue)
with the blue "bled" off the paper edge.
I have only seen the Swedish version thus far, but it was printed
*perfectly* in KALLE ANKA! Exactly as we envisioned it! I'm so pleased,
after all of our work! I only hope that the other 3 versions come out as
well!
I did not offer to do a version for Iceland since I've seen their editions
and I knew how little care goes into their presentation -- my fervent hope
is that they don't use the story in Iceland at all, or if they do, I pray
they leave OUT the blueprints (the story is purposely designed such that a
publisher can omit those pages if they wish).
And I've been told that Germany will do just that. They were not interested
in the blueprints.
Another interesting aspect is to note that those pages represent a few
firsts in the history of 50+ years of Egmont comics -- there is only ONE
color of ink on those two pages (blue)... nothing else! And every single
line that you see there is the work of a single guy, Dan Shane, since he
created the "art" and even installed the lettering. He even did the
coloring, in a sense, since all the publisher did was hit a button and
convert what Dan had "colored" black and white into white and blue. He even
*created from scratch* some of the lettering (since we don't have some of
those wacky Scandinavian characters on our keyboards or font programs).

>>>>Pretty tough to find the D.U.C.K. - I've browsed it for at least half
an
hour, and still not found it. But I'll keep trying as a good reader!

You mean in the splash panel. It's not on the blueprints.

>>>This story also confirmed one of my oldest theories; that Scrooge LIVES
in
the Money Bin. I knew it!

Egmont did not agree with this, but I have always figured that's the only
logical place he'd live and I knew I would put his living quarters in the
Bin. We agreed that he would also have some apartment (in a cheap hotel?)
somewhere in downtown Duckburg for various reasons -- so Egmont assumes his
downtown apartment is his main home, while I decide that the Money Bin is
his main home. No problem.

>>>Still, one question occurs in my head;
It is an old, well-used Disney gag that all the Beagle Boys numbers are
"176-" followed by the numbers 1, 6 and 7 in some order. My faculty
knowledge tells me that that should be 6 possible numbers:
I also notice that this number is never shown - in
scenarios where all seven of them are shown, Don Rosa always covers one of
the signs with a Beagle Boy arm, a loose wire etc.

Heh heh. Every single move I make is planned.

>>> Do any of you have any
ideas about what the seventh number is?
If it's possible to find an answer
somewhere, I guess the place must be "Life of Scrooge part 12" or that
Scrooge 50 years-story (both Don Rosa).

Don't waste your time looking. My every move has *always* been planned.

>>>Does any of you Norwegians out there have a good, Norwegian translation
for
the Number One Dime? What I've always read is "Lykketi?ringen", but that is
a silly name, since it does not bring luck,

I questioned one translator, it might have been Norway, about their word
for the "#1 Dime" when the word looked like it might say "lucky", and
calling that Dime "lucky" is one misconception that I won't tolerate in one
of my own stories. But he explained that it does not mean "lucky"... it
means "happy", as it is his favorite coin that makes him happy. This made
sense because frequently when I'm doing sketches for fans in Europe (not
just Norway but in several countries/languages) the fan will ask me to draw
a "Lucky Donald". And I'll say "how can I draw someone who *looks* lucky?"
But I have finally realized that they mean "happy" and there's some problem
between these words for "lucky" and "happy" that makes a clear distinction
difficult. But if I and Dan have been lead to write "lucky" coin in those
blueprint translations in any edition, please let me know!

>>>Speaking of translations, the Norwegian name of Gladstone Gander has
always
been "Anton Duck". I'm SOOOO confused - his name CAN'T be "Duck"! His
father
was a goose, wasn't he? How many gooses have the name "Duck"?

On one of my first trips to Norway 10 years ago, I was discussing something
with the Norwegian editors and I referred to Gladstone as being a goose.
And they looked shocked and said, no, he's a duck! And I explained that his
original name is "Gander" which is a goose, and Barks originally drew him
differently than the Ducks, taller, different eyes, different beak,
different neck. I guess this is an error committed decades ago by the
original translator in Norway (and elsewhere?) and now it's better that
they just stick with it (as with those gold coins in the Bin) and not screw
up their own tradition -- even errors can become traditions.

Daniel van Eijmeren said:
His address is Scrooge McDuck, 1313 Quack Street.
It's mentioned in panel 1.4 of "The Interplanetary Postman" (US 53).

Not to be mistaken for Stooge McDock, 1313 Quick Street,
mentioned in the previous panel.

Donald's address is
Mr. Donald Duck, 13 Quack Street, Duckburg.
Do not mistake Donald Duck's address for
Mr. Donald Dock, 1113 Quack Street...
According to the old fox story (US 6), panel 9.6, the address
of Scrooge's *house* is 33 B Street.

In the atlantis story (US 5), Donald's address is 1313 Webfoot Walk.

And then there's the license plate of Donald's car, 313.

So, does anyone who knew Barks know why he seemed to like 13's and 3's,
other than the obvious one of 13 supposedly being an unlucky number?
(Is Scrooge's B Street address a little Sherlock Holmes Baker Street
reference?)

(Sorry: hit the wring key & sent the message...)

Olaf:
I seem to remember a discussion about the missing Beagle number...
Here's a little more pondering on the Beagle Boys, inc. I posted this
on March 28 but it didn't seem to inspire any comments. Sorry for this
re-run, but I'd like to know your (everyone) opinion.

Why *would* the Beagle Boys call themselves in such away (numbers)?

0/ Yes, I remember Don Rosa's "Master of the Mississippi and the
dialogue p 20 panel 5:
($) "*Wait! Look!!* These are the awful *Beagle Boys*!" (panel 3)
(BB 1-- no numbers yet) "" 'The Beagle Boys'! Catchy! simple, yet elegant!"
(BB 2) "Not bad! Rolls off the tongue!"

1/ They do have a name: Beagle.

2/ We know their grandfather's first name: Blackheart.
Or is it rather a nickname? Sounds more like it.

3/ They surely must have first names, but perhaps got to calling each other
by their numbers because dishonesty runs in the family and they all go to prison:
a/ the number becomes a natural nickname
b/ or rather (that's what I think) it is a proud proof of their being true
Beagles, who live on that side of the law; the first stretch in jail would then
be sort of a coming-of-age ritual
c/ or maybe they were sent to jail so early in their lives and heard
themselves called that way so often (that is, always) it seemed like their numbers
were their natural / true names

4/ Or might they have been given numbers for names from the start?

5/ We don't a have a clue as regards their mother either.
Could they have been born in prison? I wonder if that was possible at the time.
The only reference to a female Beagle character I know of is in L&T chapter 10
("The invader of Fort Duckburg"), p 7 panel 7:
"Ma-- if'na *posse* comes by, tell 'em you don't know nuthin' about no missing
*cattle herd*!"
"You think they'll *believe* me?"

6/ What do the "Mrs Beagle Boy"s do?
a/ stay at home (as in the example above)?
b/ have a gang of their own ("The Beagle Girls")? : )

6/ Dishonesty and robbery is the family's way of life.
Can you imagine the possibility of there being a Li'l Bad Wolf kind of Beagle Boy
that's honest?

Best wishes,

Olivier

PS # 1:
Working on Daniel's new quiz.
I know it, I know it, I know it-- but I can't place it!...

PS # 2: New quizes

1/ Quiz # 5a (Easy)
"GCKFPT !"

2/ Quiz #5b (Easy?)
"There's been dirty work at the woodpile!"

I finally remembered the story with Donald's house on Oak Street. It was
the Barks story in WDC &S Nr. 64, January 1946. The story is about
Donald's New Year's resolution to not lose his temper (get angry). The
final panel shows the local beat policeman making his rounds and saying
"All quiet on Oak Street, except donald Duck's house - which is as usual!"
The house is pictured from the outside as having only one level (story),
but from the inside, it shows a tall stairway leading up to a large attic
(or small second floor). It is an older style house than those on Quack
Street or Webfoot Walk.

I had also forgotten to mention Donald's house that is adjacent to
Frozenbear Lake. That house is only a one-story bungalow.

In WDC & S Nr. 190, the backyard of his house lies adjacent to a creek.
This is also true of several stories during 1954 - 1959. I assume most of
those houses are on Quack Street (both 1313 and 13 Quack street), and
Webfoot Walk, on the South Side of Duckburg. Donald lives in a suburban
area, so it must be 13 East Quack Street , and 1313 East, as West on Quack
Street would be nearer the City Centre (business district). The creek
might be called Tulebug Creek, which I consider to be a tributary of the
Tulebug River; which I assume to descend from the high mountains of the
Eagleclaw Wilderness, flowing east/southeast through the foothills above
Goosetown, then a bit south, and then west/southwest past Swanville and
towards the southern parts of Duckburg, and then west to the Pacific Ocean.
The Duckburg River is larger. It descends from high mountains in
Northeast Calisota, flowing through boreal forested foothills and valleys,
southwest into spreading valleys of farms through Tuleville, Catville and
Hentown, and more southwest into the northern portion of Duckburg, and west
into Duckburg Bay (and the Pacific Ocean).

Donald's Houses:

Two- story (Wood frame stucco walls)(WDC & S 38, 63 - 1st & 2nd Jones
wars, WDC 43)
One- story on shore of Duckburg River (WDC
House on shore of Beavertail Lake (WDC 62)
Bungalow on Webfoot Walk (WDC 201) (may have back on shore of creek or
Tulebug River)
House in Genteel District (WDC 178)
Two - story house near farms (Wood plank) (DD 26)
One story (brick?) on Frozenbear Lake (WDC 88)
One story bungalow brick & stucco - odd-shaped roof (WDC159)
House near Dizzydrop Hill (WDC 100, WDC 184, WDC 208) Hilly area (perhaps
also WDC 213near Breakneck Hill)
Most other 1-story bungalow houses South Side suburban area 913 or 1313
Quack Street or Webfoot Walk)

I'll be curious to see other comments on this subject. - Rob Klein

long time comics fan, professional, historian,
and member of this list;
Rich Morrissery died of a heart attack yesterday afternoon.
There's not much one can say about one's friends who die much too soon...

Steven Rowe

Hi all,

Gary wrote:
One of the notable issues in the license negotiations
between Diamond
and
Disney has been fulfillment of outstanding Gladstone
subscriptions. It
doubtless goes too far to say that it's what has kept
Disney at the
negotiating table, but it is an issue Disney, as
licensor, would like
to see
resolved. And if that's helped even in a small way to
keep the ball
rolling,
I have to think that's a good thing.

The bottom line: if Gemstone/Diamond secures a
license, it will also
secure
Gladstone's subscriber list. Maintaining it will then
be
Gemstone/Diamond's
business, and they'll have every reason to want to
keep every
subscriber
possible on board, happy, and most of all, informed.

Ah, this is reassuring news. I had just resubscribed
way back when and have about $100 tied up in seeing
new US Disney comics. Not that that means much in the
larger picture,but I suppose every bit helps! ;-)

Chuck

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