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Anders Christian Sivebaek wrote:

> I'm very happy to find that the norwegian paper VG (tabloid or what
> would you call it?) printed an article with the blueprints of the Bin.
> Why is it call blueprints btw? They are of course blue in the story,
> but the normal drawings of houses that I've seen, eg. my fathers and
> the cantina going to be to build in our school, are white with black
> lines. any special reason for them to be blue?
>

And I reply:

These days just about all technical drawings are created with the aid of
Computer Aided Design programs (CAD), and are printed out as black lines on
white paper. But before personal computers all drawings were done by a
human being with a pencil in his hand. Imagine that! It baffles science!
(Yes, Don and I watch the same movies.)

After the drawing was complete, the only way to make copies of the drawing
for the builder to use was to create *blueprints*. The process involved
laying the original drawing under a piece of light sensitive paper, then
exposing the paper to bright light. The light would not pass through the
areas where the dark pencil lines and text were present. After exposure,
the light sensitive sheet would be immersed (sometimes in a simple glass
tube) in an ammonia gas that turned all exposed areas of the paper blue.
The areas that had been shielded from the light by the drawing would remain
white, the original color of the paper. This produced the cool looking
white lines on blue background. The builder would never work from the
original white sheet with the pencil lines, but from the copies, or
*blueprints*.

There is your explanation, Mr. Blandings.

Dan Shane
(danshane at bellsouth.net)

ANDERS CHRISTIAN:

> Why is it call blueprints btw? They are of course blue in the story,
> but the normal drawings of houses that I've seen, eg. my fathers and
> the cantina going to be to build in our school, are white with black
> lines. any special reason for them to be blue?

Before the age of photocopiers, plotters, and laser printers, engineering
drawings could be reproduced relatively inexpensively using a process
that would result in white drawings on a blue background. Blueprints
were called that way because they were actually blue!

I saw this discussed in Walter Miller Jr.'s "A Canticle for Leibowitz"
(highly recommended reading). The story takes place in the distant future,
after a nuclear holocaust, where the church had canonized an engineer from
the fifties. A group of monks was painstakingly copying all his writings,
including his blueprints, which they would copy by hand using blue ink!

Kriton (e-mail: kyrimis at cti.gr)
(WWW: http://dias.cti.gr/~kyrimis)
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H?vard Hesjevoll wrote:
>
> Does anyone here know anything about a Disney-character I
> just re[a]d about called (at least in norwegian) "Filo Filur"?

I suppose he is Filo Sganga, from the great Maestro Romano
Scarpa, take a look at

http://digilander.iol.it/inducks

to check if they are the same character (look up on the right
corner)

Ciao,

- Paolo

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'Ferma! Io sono Rebo... dittatore di Saturno...padre della
Patria, capo di tutte le forze armate, grande sciarpa d'oro dei
cavalieri di Saturno... eccetera, ecc...'
(Rebo in I TL 232-A)

...Re: Daniel's " promotional texts " posting - I
think
that you meant to say that they were on the cover of
the comic , no ????? - I sort of think that the term
" blurb " is best , but , I suppose that that may be
to much of an Americanism ?????????
" It's spooky ! It's kooky ! " Oooh , I just LOVE
that !!!!!!! It gave me another laugh , just tuping it
again ! Thanks ! Frankly , my first inclination would
be to doubt that C.B. wrote 'em...but , perhaps , in
some cases anyway , he did . Sort of difficult to
imagine him writing " It's Spooky ! It's Kooky ! " ,
however ! Hey , did G.K. have an " ADDAMS FAMILY "
comic ?
I actually should , more straightforward
information-wise , that Gold Key's comics of the early
60s often had these blurbs...Including ( Especially ?
) Gold Key's super-hero/war/" serious " comics , such
as " MAGNUS , ROBOT FIGHTER " , and " DCCTOR SOLAR ,
MAN OF THE ATOM "...their " more dignified " answer to
the word-baloons employed on DC ( especially )'s
covers then , I suppose . It's spooky ! It's kooky !
BBOYY , did I get ( by my standards ) LLAFF from that
one !
Thank You ! It's spooky ! It's kooky !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Dan:

The scenario, as I see it, is;

in the Norwegian Donald Duck & Co, the translation was correct. But in VG,
we could read the word "Guard Post" (I think it was on 2nd floor, 3.
etasje). That's the situation.

:)

From: "Dan Shane" <danshane at bellsouth.net>
To: <dcml at stp.ling.uu.se>
Subject: Re: Blueprints
Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 08:48:12 -0400

Olaf Solstrand wrote:

> ----- BLUEPRINTS -----
> The blueprints shown in VG was in Norwegian (except for one word,
actually -
> one place, the word "guard post" was used instead of "vaktpost"). They
was
> shown with black pen on white paper.
>

And I reply:

What?!!!

My turn to vent, Don Rosa style. I went to great pains to make sure every
instance of English text was carefully replace with its Norwegian
counterpart. And I just looked at the TIFF images I sent to Norway for
publication, and nowhere is the phrase "guard post" seen. I wonder if
Egmont supplied an older draft of the drawing that was not yet finished. I
surely hope the comic itself doesn't display the wrong word, even if it
means the same thing.

Okay all you Norwegians, what say you? Are my drawings all right? Please
say they're all right! I'll never get another shot at this.

Dan Shane
(danshane at bellsouth.net)

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Hi
Thanks for the explanation, Dan, Kriton and others.

That method reminds me of two things. I once got 4 sheets of blue
paper, and 4 negatives, as an extrea with the weekly. they worked just
about the same way. after the light they had to be fixated in water.

Also reminds me of the duplicator my dad told me they had on his
school. that's between the blueprints and the xeroxes we have today. It
could make color, but only blue red and yellow or so. In his
photo-album I saw some old tickets his pupils made for a play.

The german readers on www.comicforum.de btw are very frustrated they
wont see these blueprints.

A. C. Sivebaek
acsive at mail.mira.dk

Hi,
As many of my friends were looking for Singaporean Disney comics, i am
trying to get some for them. I got some friends who are staying in S'pore
for this month for educational reasons and i already asked em to get some
for me when they return. The only problem tho' is that they don't know where
to get it or even know it exists. So if there's any Singaporean persons
here, please email me on where or which book store to get the Disney comics,
and i want to know if the Disney publication still alive in S'pore. From
what i've heard from my friends there, it seemed that they haven't seen it
for a very long time which is a strong indication that S'porean too, have
discontinued their Disney comics publications.

Thanks in advance,
Arie Fachrisal

Hello listmembers

At least in Denmark we have a holiday around the time where Jesus is
said to have gone back to God.
This holiday was from thursday to sunday. My mother is a member of the
local folk-dance club, and they
have a friendship town in Norway - I was allowed to go with them on
their trip in this holiday.
When I told this to my good friend and duckhunter, Sigvald Gr?sfjeld
jr. we started to arrange for us to meet.
We also made it so that Geir J. Netland would meet with us later that
day.

We went there by bus, which takes an awfull lot of time. Allready on
the ferry I was able to buy two issues
of the norwegian weekly with the new Rosa-story (I had already read it
in danish earlier the same day, wednesday).
Really a nice issue.

Later I bought other comics, collections of stories from old weeklies
and monthlies.

Thursday evening, when we had arrived at our host families, after
dinner we went to a family
which were here 12 years ago. I never can avoid to get to talk about
Donald Duck, so we did that -
They of course all new him, and were a bit surprised at my knowledge...

On friday the host family, my mother and Jens, and old but very fresh
guy of 81 years drove to their holiday cottage, while I waited for
Sigvald who would pick me up at 11 am.
I remembered to lock the door, and to bring videos that we had made
appointments about.
Then we drove to the city, Stavanger in Sigvald's father's car.
In Stavanger we firstly spend some ours at L?v?s, a second-hand shop.
The issues there were sorted very nicely in years, and it was easy to
find the issues that I wanted for me and my dutch completist-friend.
(The ones they had at least). I also got a look at other things in the
store, big books, collections, american Gladstone's and many
pocketbooks. They even had dansih comic albums!
Hereafter we went to see the place were Sigvald's father grew up, In
Pedersgaten (Peter's Street approximately). The family had a wellknown
butcher-store here for many years. Even our host family knew about the
place. Sigvald's Uncle was the last owner, and is now retired.
We visitted Stavanger Dome (head church. we have around 9 in Denmark,
don't we?) where there was some choir-session going on, but we went
around and it was really a nice place, with ornaments and those colored
windows I like so much.
Then we went around this big lake in the middle of city. We passed
through some kiosks and two bookstores and found the monthly and no. 4
in the norwegian series of "meeting old friends" issuing Rockerduck
(had 3 nice panels from Rosa stories and mentioned that he was the only
source on young Rockerduck (However chaper 0 and 4 wasn't reprinted in
the book) . We were looking for the norwegian edition of Life and Times
of $crooge, but had no luck. apparantly one would have to visit Tronsmo
in Oslo (The place were Don signed the Pertwillaby/Captain Kaentucky
set) to find those books. They did have the new book with 13 comics by
Barks considered to be the best ones. I have that in danish though, and
prefered only to have it that way.
We drove to the university were Sigvald went 20 years ago. In 1980 he
first got experience with computers in a certain room at this place
which he showed me. (later he's been going to other universities to
take head subjects, ending with History in Trondheim which he's
finishing now - more about that later)
We drove past Hafrsfjord were Norway was made into one kingdom by
Harald H?rfagre (he had much hair I suppose)
at the shore we saw the sculpture of 3 swords.
Sigvald was in the marine at Madla, and we drove past that, looking
into the forum there, where the bookstore didn't have any Disney books.
We also went into a daily good's shop, looking at prices and buying
some extra sodapop - Sigvald chatted a bit with a class mate from
public shool.
Then we drove to Sigvald's house, said hi to his father and went down
in the basement where Sigvald lives.
Sigvald had the old computergame Summergames and played the national
anthems of Denmark and Norway !
I looked into Sigvald's collections. He has all the gold books with
Barks-stories, all the Duck-albums (with albums we haven't seen in
Denmark, such as the one with the Lemming with the Locket (off course -
it takes place in Norway) and Golden Helmet. He also has all those
white books with Barks, Gottfrddson and Murry. They're the ones were
the format isn't so friendly to Barks - but at the time when they came
out they were the only ones. Sigvald is a member of a tour club, that
is he walks trip every once in a while, and has done so for many years.
He has a see of medals, nicely placed on the wall, and many dilpomas of
how many thousands of kilometres and trips he's been on.
Sigvald has quite a fun collection of coins, placed in plastic boxes
and cake-boxes. He would open the boxes with 10-peces and throw them in
the air and let them hit him on the head. He hasn't yet got enough of
them to burrow trhrough them like a gopher and swim through like a
porpoise... :-)
At some point in the middle of the collection-watching we had a late
lunch with bacon and eggs.
At around 5-30 pm Geir arrived. we said hello and talked about
different things. Eg. Barks-indexes that look alike.
Sigvald had made a fight between nations, meaning that I and Geir had
to compete on who knew most about Don Rosas stories. In the middle of
the contest Sigvald's father came down and said that the barbecue was
getting ready so we went up and ate salad, bread and grilled sausages,
pork and the like.
When we finsiehd the great dinner we ended the contest. I won - whoa
:-) (7 to 4 It's possible that some of the questions were unfair - it
was a fact at least that we both hadn't been looking as much into
Sigvald's pages as we should have.)
Then we watched the interview tha F. E. Elliott made last year in
August. I got this interview in PAL-format thanks to Thomas and a local
friend who knows how to get such things done (It was NTCH before).
while watching the interview I read a bit of comics (as I've seen the
interview 3 times) and we had a nice time drinking soda and eating
chocolate
Geir had to pick someone up someplace, so we had to stop the video and
follow Geir out. I had brought my camera so I took a photo of my two
friends outside. (Sigvald's father had taken one of us all at dinner)
Sigvald and I watched the rest of the video, plus an interwied with
Barks made in 1994 in Denmark. At the same time we enjoyed some
icecream:-)
As told, Sigvald's head subject is history - he ends it with his head
reporrt (I'd call it a doctor disputatis or something). It's really
heavy, on 230 pages! About property right in the beginning of the 16th
centruy in a certain community (Ry) in Norway.
When I finished that I took photoes of Sigvald and his collection, we
made certain situation with Sigvald's having his fingers in coins and
such. We're both very fond of good music, and listened to the two
winners of the eurovision song contest that came from Norway: "La det
Swinge" and "Nocturne".
Hal?fway in Randaberg we got to talk about our fellow friend, and I
remembered some certain posters Sigvald had asked me to bring home with
me, and to our friend. Back to Sigvald again.
At the host family we talked a bit, and said bye.
The day after Sigvald had phoned and I called back. I had brought with
me the dansih weekly which was actually for Sigvald. I'm very
forgetfull you see. So Sigvald fecthed it as his father and him were
going somewhere.

I had a really nice day with Sigvald and later Geir. The day after I
was with the dancers in Randaberg to see them dance, I met people I
hadn't seen for 12 years, but they still remembered me. In the evening
we had a party at the host family, where my interest and visit at
Sigvald was also mentioned. They thought it was nice to have nice
friends because of an interest.

The family had had a nice day on friday too, driving to their holiday
cottage. Jens, the old guy was very touched by all the things he
experienced and thanked many times, during the days, for the great
hospitality of the family.

Yours
AC