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Georges Helm
I have sent the scans to Daniel.
Georges
Wolfsong
A few years ago, I attended an event for Walt Disney World castmembers
called "Goofy's Studio Mystery" a sort of scavenger hunt that involved
solving clues and answering trivia questions after hours at The Disney /
MGM studios. Somewhere in the trivia question packet was a multiple
choice question: Who was the creator of Scrooge McDuck? Well, of course
I knew the answer, but the only one that came close of the choices was
Carl Banks, so I chose that one and grumbled, and when the answers were
read out later by the DJ co-host of the event, I shouted out "Barks!"
which more or less went unnoticeds.
Last night, I attended the event again, (now renamed "Goofy's Mystery
Tour" and taking place at Animal Kingdom) and was shocked to see the
same question with the same misspelled answer. This time as the answers
were being read, I marched down to the foot of the stage and waved at
the lady who was the event's main organizer and she came over to me. I
stared by saying "You're going to think I'm the world's nit-pickiest
person, but ... " And as soon as I mentioned Carl Barks's name, she
slapped herself in the forehead, realizing she had already intended to
fix this error and forgotten. Still, she made up for this by walking
over to the DJ and noting the error on his list, so that when he got to
the question, this time he would read the correct answer.
Wolfsong
A few years ago, I attended an event for Walt Disney World cast members
called "Goofy's Studio Mystery" a sort of scavenger hunt that involved
solving clues and answering trivia questions after hours at The Disney /
MGM studios. Somewhere in the trivia question packet was a multiple
choice question: Who was the creator of Scrooge McDuck? Well, of course
I knew the answer, but the only one that came close of the choices was
Carl Banks, so I chose that one and grumbled, and when the answers were
read out later by the DJ co-host of the event, I shouted out "Barks!"
which more or less went unnoticed.
Last night, I attended the event again, (now renamed "Goofy's Mystery
Tour" and taking place at Animal Kingdom) and was shocked to see the
same question with the same misspelled answer. This time as the answers
were being read, I marched down to the foot of the stage and waved at
the lady who was the event's main organizer and she came over to me. I
stared by saying "You're going to think I'm the world's nit-pickiest
person, but ... " And as soon as I mentioned Carl Barks's name, she
slapped herself in the forehead, realizing she had already intended to
fix this error and forgotten. Still, she made up for this by walking
over to the DJ and noting the error on his list, so that when he got to
the question, this time he would read the correct answer.
Rob Klein
Regarding Don Markstein's "kinda seeing Barks thinking of Sadie Hawkins
Day":

Don, - Is that what you suspect? - Or did you hear of Carl, himself,
having referred to that?

He, told me several times ((when we discussed where his ideas came from (in
individual stories), that Al Capp's "Li'l Abner" was a big influence on
him. He mentioned specifically, that "Sadie Hawkins Day" was his
inspiration for "shenanigans" involving Daisy with Donald (please excuse my
own paraphrasing) in at least two individual WDC & S stories. I can no
longer recall which stories he referred to, as I am now middle- aged, and
the conversations took place in the late 1960s and beginning of the 1970s.
He mentioned Capp's strip most, but also "The Gumps" ((that Andy Gump's
rich Uncle was the inspiration for Uncle Scrooge) (at least in terms of the
fabulous wealth's ability to allow him to go anywhere and do anything he
wished)). Seeing the glow in his eyes when he mentioned "Li'l Abner, and
hearing him chuckle every time he spoke of it, I would venture to guess
that Capp's strip was one of his favourite strips (if not the very
favourite). He was not embarassed to say that he was influenced by other
cartoonists.

Carl also mentioned "The Katzenjammer Kids" and "Thimble
Theatre"(especially the earlier Segar) as others of his favourite strips
(but he did not say whether or not he may have been influences on him). He
also mentioned liking several other strips from the 1910s, 1920s and 1930s
that he liked, but I cannot remember which, as I knew little about U.S.
newspaper strips from those periods. It seems clear that the joy he
received in reading the newspaper cartoon strips in his young childhood
spurred him into his cartooning career. (But, I believe that has been said
many times in his various biographies?).

Cheers, Rob Klein
Gilles MAURICE
My duck family tree, which wasn't fully uploaded, is now, and I corrected
some mistakes in my site: http://goofy313g.free.fr/calisota_online/

Gilles
Olivier
Hi!

Rob:
>>He also mentioned liking several other strips from the 1910s, 1920s and 1930s
>>that he liked, but I cannot remember which

As you know, Donald Ault & Thomas Andrae conducted an interview of the Duck Man
on August 4, 1975, which was filmed.

The very first question (about 0:03:00, Donald Ault) is:
"Could you tell us what your largest and most important early influence is,
especially in terms of artists?"

And Barks answered:
"Why, it was reading the newspaper comics perhaps. And I can go back as far as Winsor McCay
as one of the influences. I would say Barney Google and Happy Hooligan and later on the Disney
comics of Mickey Mouse. I liked the Mickey Mouse stories because they had humour in them and...
When you look at my later stories in the comic books you'll see that I was kind of following the
format
Floyd Gotffredson established. You'd have Mickey and the other guys involved in funny situations; at
the
same time they were having serious problems, and they solved their serious problems by funny means;
some outrageous sort of thing would happen.. And I guess that was where I automatically found the
basis
for my own storywriting."

Winsor McCay drew highly imaginative strips, especially "Little Nemo" (1905-11, 1911-14, 1924-27).
Barney Google was created by Billy De Beck in 1919.
Happy Hooligan was created by Frederick Burr Opper in1899-- 1900 according to Don's Toonepedia,
which I believe to be much more trustworthy.

Olivier
WL Lilly
...Re: Dan's comments about margarine , my ( born
1924 ) father always told me of that regarding US
margarine as
well , thogh in less detail ( I also remember a
children's novel I read when I was young -
set in " pre-1960s " America , more or less - having a
detail of a young character mixing the coloring into
the family's new-from-the-grocery margarine . ) -
and he said that the law forcing margarine to be sold
that way was pushed through by congressmen from heavy
dairy-producing US states , to make it harder for the
competition ! And I believe many of the US's dairy
( Minnesota , etc. ) states were heavily settled by
immigrants from - Scandanavia ! Sounds like the apple
doesn't fall very far from
the tree ! BLUE margarine !...

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Henri Kunne
At Friday 11 May 2001, 13:56:41, Harry Fluks wrote:

> > i) Stories coming from HOLLAND are GREAT, SUPERIOR BY THEIR
> > QUALITY and really quite like something what Carl Barks used
> > to do. (RIGHT?!)
> > ii) Stories coming from DANMARK are DULL, BORING and totally
> > meaningless NONSENSE you don't need to account at all.
>This sentence looks like meaningless NONSENSE to me. 8-)
>How did you get the idea that this is "a quite general idea"?

Well, maybe because it is! There's such a thing as an average, and
a very large majority considers the Dutch average lots higher than
the Danish average - and has done so for years.

>Right. And maybe that's why they become so dull: there are so many of them.
>And they all look alike.

Well, Harry, it looks like you're completely agreeing with Simo, after all!

>(I'm generalising here, of course. Several Vicar stories are good or very
>good.)

Please give at least one example (with Dutch issue number) of a "very
good" Danish story. I cannot think of one; the highest rate I ever gave
one, is 'reasonable'.

> > - Dutch are not producing lot's of material for weeklies.
>Right. 5 times as few as the Danes, 9 times as few as the Italians. But
>still more than the French and the Germans.

But that's not a feat deserving any credit, as the Germans have hardly
produced *anything* in almost half a century, and the French have
discontinued doing so, because of their conversion to Barks and Rosa.
This is rather sad, as their own artists made very charming work.

Greetings, Henri
Timo Ronkainen
>In private email someone asked me about the (non-Barks) Duck paintings
>which have the style of Breughel and Whistler, etc.
>
>Are pictures of these paintings available on internet?

You must mean this:
http://www.oceanbunny.de/privat/duck/duck.htm

Did you got that scan of Mummy's Ring -panel? I could get that to you.

Best

Timo

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Daniel Van Eijmeren
Links to rare/original/unpublished Barks items. I don't have any
connection with the sellers or the sites. If you've seen other
rare/original/unpublished items, I hope you'll post them to the list
as well. Descriptions are by the sellers, except where noted ("DvE").

Items at Ebay (http://www.ebay.com):

#1144505634
carl barks original art. uncle scrooge 39
"http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1144505634"
Seller: uncle scrooge 39.... Original Carl Barks Art. premilary cover
sketch on paper ( a few light folds/creases ) page condition okay.
approx size 10"x 8". drawn by carl barks 1955. signed bottom, also
stamped walt disney production. used as cover for uncle scrooge
number 39. was office file copy.

[Contains a MUCH LARGER SCAN than the one I've mentioned here on
28 April 2001, plus a scan of the drawing's certificate.
This certificate mentions that the drawing came from the collection
of Lisa Hampton, "a long time friend of Carl and Gare Barks."
The certicate contains the name Mark Wilson and is dated April 5, 1999.
The drawing itself contains a penciled date, which is "Mar 25 1955 office".
I find this interesting because the art of the cover was submitted on
November 1, 1961, which is about *six* years later!
Does someone know more about this Lisa Hampton collection?
Does it contain more previously unknown material?
The seller is identified as "timetrapper". I haven't subscribed to Ebay,
so I can't see who it is. The certificate-scan refers to catalogues.
Does someone know these catalogues? DvE.]

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#1142989602
CARL BARKS ORIGINAL DONALD DUCK ARTWORK
"http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1142989602"
Seller: This wonderful piece is titled: "Airborne and Climbing"
On April 12, 1997, Walt Disney World celebrated Carl Barks' birthday
in a BIG WAY. Carl, along with 200 of his closest friends, celebrated his
96th birthday with a "Duck" party and great collectibles. Carl produced
75 original drawings for the shindig and all of these one-of-a-kind
original pieces sold out. [...] Image is approx. 9 3/4" x 12 3/4" and
comes framed in gold leafed molding sized at 12 1/2" x 18 1/2" with UV
Plexiglas as seen here. The back of the picture is sealed with a
Carl Barks Studio label. The item has been signed in Carl's block style
lettering on the corner of the drawing. The electronic scan of this
piece does not do justice to the magnificence of Carl Barks' craft at
96 years of age! I am still in awe...
[Is this art included in the "Barks Treasury" book? DvE.]

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#1144173771
Carl Barks Print: Home Are The Sailors
"http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1144173771"
Seller: Back in 1996 Disney asked Carl barks to create a number of color
pencil sketches to add dimension to his oil paintings - 40 of these were
reproduced in a limited number of 1,000 and sold together as the Carl
Barks treasury!!! Now I am selling these prints individually (8" X 10")
matted and ready for framing!!! This one is entittled: Home Are The
sailors, Home From The Sea!!! [Picture is made with a digital camera. DvE.]

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#1144174235
Carl Barks Print: Pursuit Of The Mummy's Ring
"http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1144174235"
Seller: This one is entittled: Pursuit Of The Mummy's Ring!!!
[Picture is made with a digital camera. DvE.]

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#1144174961
Carl Barks Print: No Peeking! Opening Date
"http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1144174961"
Seller: This one is entittled: No Peeking! Opening Date April 12th, 1997!!!
[Picture is made with a digital camera. DvE.]

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#1144175414
Carl Barks Print: Lost In The Andes
"http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1144175414"
[Picture is made with a digital camera. DvE.]

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#1144176049
Carl Barks Print: Fortune Blowing In The Wind
"http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1144176049"
[Picture is made with a digital camera. DvE.]

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#1143149508
Carl Barks Signed Donald & Daisy Drawing NR
"http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1143149508"
Seller: Dancing Ducks, Walt Disney / Original Drawing / Donald, Daisy /
Drawn and Signed by Carl Barks- Click here for more info on this person. /
Character Size : 8 x 7
[Mentioned link is: "http://www.animationcelection.com/legends.htm".
Does a finished version of this preliminary exist? DvE.]

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#1143412918
Carl Barks Original art 1970's
"http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1143412918"
Seller: This is a very "Rare" original Drawing for the "Xerzes" painting
that Carl did in the 1970's. Jeff Cain says these were the years that
"Carl did his Best work" I am trying to buy the original Oil, but the
seller will not sell it at any price. This is your chance to get one
of the best sexest female girl ducks Carl ever did. This is the exact
same size as the painting he did from it. It is signed by Carl.
[Pencil drawing of the duck female in the lower right corner of non-Disney
painting "Xerxes and Harem" (80-01). Note the "supersize picture" link,
which gives a larger scan than clicking on the thumbnail. DvE.]

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#1144404794
CARL BARKS Original Pencil Layout
"http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1144404794"
Seller: Here is the original CARL BARKS pencil layout for JUNIOR
WOODCHUCKS #10 "Maple Sugar Time", p.11, from 1971. The ink work was
completed by staff artists of Western Publishing. Pencil on heavyweight
paper, 12" x 9". Has several small pinpricks in the upper right corner
and has once been folded horizontally and vertically. Otherwise in very
good condition. Image #1 (slightly trimmed due to the size of my scanner
glass) shows the original you are bidding on, image #2 shows the published
page inked by Tony Strobl (this page is not for sale). A very nice page
with an unusual layout, featuring Scrooge in all six panels! Full
satisfaction guaranteed! From the collection of noted comic book historian
and Carl Barks Library co-editor Thomas Andrae, comes together with a
certificate of authenticity written by him. Please feel free to eMail
with any question and have a look at my other auctions!
[Note the "supersize picture" link, which gives a much larger scan than
clicking on the thumbnail. DvE.]

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Best wishes,

--- Daniel
Armando Botto
Daniel, Timo:
>> In private email someone asked me about the (non-Barks) Duck paintings
which have the style of Breughel and Whistler, etc.
Are pictures of these paintings available on internet? Are they mentioned in
the I.N.D.U.C.K.S. database?
> You must mean this:
http://www.oceanbunny.de/privat/duck/duck.htm

List member Luca Boschi wrote a very interesting essay about this subject
(published as the final chapter of the "Walt Disney presenta Paperina e le
altre" book, in 1994). I guess he won't mind if I give a very short summary
of the essay here:

During the production of the 1941 Disney movie "The Reluctant Dragon", a gag
was devised about a "Portrait of Madonna Duck". Disney animators liked the
idea a lot, and decided - just for the fun of it - to paint a series of
"classical" portraits. Seventeen portraits were produced, and later
published in the April 16th, 1945 issue of Life magazine.
Almost 50 years later, a similar effort was undertaken by Professor Eckhart
Bauer of the Fine Arts School of Brunswick, Germany. Prof. Bauer and his
students produced a few paintings and sculptures, which were assembled in
the "Duckomenta" exhibition (first shown in Grenoble in 1990). The paintings
were inspired to Van Gogh, Degas, Manet, and Toulouse-Lautrec (among
others), while one of the sculptures represented the famous Egyptian queen
Duckfertiti...

I can add that another similar project has been described in issue #8 of "I
Maestri Disney", devoted to G.B. Carpi. In 1997, the late Maestro taught a
course of "Pictorial Research", and his seven students painted a picture
each, re-inventing a few classics (Rembrandt, Klimt, Canova, Holbein,
Caravaggio, Bruegel, and Van Eyck) with Disney characters.

Ciao,
Armando
Armando Botto
Daniel:
> Does someone know where the Italian Barks paintings book series "Gli Oli
di Carl Barks" might be available, as well as current prices for it? Below
I've included all the information I have about these books. If you have
additional information, or corrections, please let me know.
[...]

I can only give you an additional piece of info:
<< In these editions, there are 94 of the 122 oils Barks made in the 1970s,
because for the other the material was not good for the printing >>
The oils which were not reproduced in books 3 and 4 are those that had been
reproduced in small format in the "Fine Art of W. Disney's Donald Duck"
book.

I have never seen the two Italian books, and I suspect they're quite costly.
I only hope that some publisher will think of a complete edition of all
Barks' paintings - possibly not another "very limited, exclusive,
leather-bound, gold-engraved, for real collectors only" one ;-)

Ciao,
Armando
Donald Markstein
Rob Klein --

What I said about Barks possibly having been inspired by Al Capp's Sadie
Hawkins Day was just the way it seems to me, not based on anything Barks
himself said. I was responding to an earlier observation of the same thing.
Just a guess, at least on my part. If Barks himself said it, then I suppose
it was a pretty good guess.

And yeah, I can certainly see that he'd have been influenced by Segar's
terrific funny adventure stories in Thimble Theatre. Never knew Andy Gump's
Uncle Bim had any influence on the creation of Scrooge, tho.

Quack, Don

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> 2. This one's for you Unca Carl (Wolfsong)
> 3. This one's for you Unca Carl (Wolfsong)
> 4. Li'l Abner & Barks (Rob Klein)
> 5. Col (Gilles MAURICE)
> 6. Barks & earlier cartoonists (Olivier)
> 7. Mo' Margarine !!!!!!!!!!! (WL Lilly)
> 8. Re: Dutch stories (Henri Kunne)
> 9. Re: Duck Paintings (Alte meister) (timo ronkainen)
> 10. Barks items, with larger scan of US 39 cover pencil (010512)
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Rob Klein
Thanks Olivier, for the information on Carl Barks' favourite early
newspaper strips (1910s and 1920s). Those that you mentioned (Little Nemo,
Barney Google and Happy Hooligan were three of the other strips he
mentioned to me - whose names I couldn't remember). Now that you have
perked up my memory, I remember two more: Mutt and Jeff , AND another
Winsor McCay strip with a strange title having to do with eating before
going to sleep and then having nightmares. I cannot remember the title;
but, I believe it could be paraphrased as: "Rarebit Madness"? or "Rarebit
Nightmares"? or "Tales of Rarebit Madness"?

Can anyone tell us what the actual title was? I seem to remember that a
few DCML members were quite knowledgeable (if not experts) on newspaper
comic strips. I even remember once navigating to a website about that
subject which had a plethora of information on that subject (worldwide
publications). I ended up arriving there from a link from a grouping of
Italian Disney Comic websites.

Can anyone provide the website addresses of any websites on historical
newspaper comic strips?

Thanks, Rob Klein
Olivier
Hi everyone!

I've moved my site ("Of Mouse and Ducks" / M&D) to a new url:
http://ob7.free.fr/mouse_ducks/
The great thing is that with this host there are no ads: no pop-ups,
(there weren't any on the previous url either ) and no immovable
frame that eats up space at the top of the page and ruins a carefully
designed layout (as was the case)!
Thanks for using this address as your bookmark or in your links rather
than the page it links to (the site itself) so that the visits are counted by
the-- er-- counter. Absolutely no profit; just the pleasure of seeing the
figure increase and knowing fellow fans like the site.
Oh, and I have updated it.
All my apologies to the many sites I haven't linked to yet.

Thanks a lot for the link to those great paintings, Timo!

For Rob and everybody, a few sites I have found on comcis:
http://homepage.mac.com/OldTimeComics/#D
http://www.kenpiercebooks.com/100years.htm
http://gographics.com/funnies/classic.htm
http://www.geocities.com/~teddyblue/nemo.html, which gives the name of
that other strip by McCay: "Dreams of the Rarebit Fiend"

Olivier
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