Keskustelujen arkisto

Hi my friends!
(With some few extra ingredients to the subject we can start to bake a
cake!! :-)

I believe I wrote the other day of the factory Eggmont, that i saw in
an easter story. Looking for Barks stories in my foreign issues, I
found it in a french Journal de Mickey. The code is D 95144 and
the title means something like chase for the easter eggs.
The factory is on page two, and I remember it being called ?gmont in
danish- which gives me a clue that the original said Eggmont.
The french translator wrote Au bell oeuf (of good eggs) -
but I will leave it to you french people there to explain the logic -
remember my misinterpretations of the french version of the Coin... ?
wow...

Don Markstein
>By the way, I can only recall the name of
>one of the grungy characters who
>worked there. The "inside man at the skonk works"
>was Big Barnsmell. Can't
>remember the name of the "outside man".
>Anybody know that one offhand?
Me, I remember this story. The guy had a brother
on the distant island Donald went to. And he was
just as tuff a boss. I will try to look up the
story soon

The subject of margarine with different colors that swedes and Dan are
wiriting about makes me think of something my grandma once told:
That in the days were the product skimmed milk (low-fat or very
low-fat?)
came out, it would also sometimes be blue or have a blue shade to it.
This can be because of the same thing, that people should be able to
differ from it and the original milk.

Timo
>>The song of the Crying Sailor is a classic in Denmark. a singer made
>>it, a girl tried to claim she made it, and a mayopr newspaper made a
>>contest in 1999 telling people to make some more verses for it.
>Could you tell more about this? Who sung it?
a danish singer, Otto Brandenburg. Any dane who can tell if this is
true or false, please tell - I only remember I heard it once.

>>They
>>sing it on the tune of Home on the range. (ranch?) - In Sweden the
>>founders of Nafs(k) travelled to Calisota and found the lyrics for
it.

>And what is this? Are these lyrics available somewhere in the net?
I should be able to find them in one of the first swedish fanzines from
the donaldist club upthere.

A. C. Sivebaek
acsive at mail.mira.dk

Op 12-05-2001 12:01 schreef dcml-request at stp.ling.uu.se
<dcml-request at stp.ling.uu.se>:

> From: "Daniel van Eijmeren" <dve at kabelfoon.nl>
> Subject: Question on Duck paintings (with the style of Breughel, etc.)
>
> In private email someone asked me about the (non-Barks) Duck paintings
> which have the style of Breughel and Whistler, etc.

A lot of these were made by Harry Balm, when he worked for the dutch Donald
Duck weekly. He did Duck-versions of famous paintings (like Rembrandts
Nachtwacht), historical portraits and classic books.
I haven't seen examples of them on the internet, but they are mentioned on
the INDUCKS-page.

<http://stp.ling.uu.se/cgi-bin/starback/dcml/fs?creator=Hba>
<http://www.lambiek.net/balm.htm>

P

This painting talk reminds me of a cartoon I watched the other day.
It's called Donald's diary (maybe only in danish), and showed how
Donald was hung and then met Daisy. Before he starts to have a
nightmare dreaming of marriage, he meets Daisy's crazy family. We see
here that HDL often acted as actors in those cartoons, as they work as
Daisy's smaller brothers in this cartoon. The mother sits in a chair
with a hearing device in exactly the same way as whistlers mother -
whoever painted that painting? (I remember much of the movie Bean was
about that painting) - The dad is somewhat crazy too, reminding me
quite a lot of an early fethry Duck or something. He's cutting some
line of dancing people in paper.

A. C. Sivebaek
acsive at mail.mira.dk

ROB

>Winsor McCay strip with a strange title having to do with eating before
>going to sleep and then having nightmares. I cannot remember the title;
>but, I believe it could be paraphrased as: "Rarebit Madness"? or "Rarebit
>Nightmares"? or "Tales of Rarebit Madness"?
>
>Can anyone tell us what the actual title was?

"Dreams of a Rarebit Fiend", a series McCay did under the pseudonym
of "Silas", it started about one year before Little Nemo.

It's a rather funny coincidence that we discussed this series
only a few days ago, among Italian friends... :-)

Cheers

Eta Beta

About "Den suckande sj?mannen" (Swedish version of Donald Duck's great hit
"The Screaming Cowboy"):

> >>They
> >>sing it on the tune of Home on the range. (ranch?) - In Sweden the
> >>founders of Nafs(k) travelled to Calisota and found the lyrics for
>it.

I was very much involved in this project... I seem to remember writing at
length about it on this list a couple of years ago. Maybe someone who knows
how to dig it out can find that message, in case anyone is interested. But
I will say right now that our version doesn't use any previously known
tune. It was composed... I mean, we found it exclusively for this song.

> >And what is this? Are these lyrics available somewhere in the net?

>I should be able to find them in one of the first swedish fanzines from
>the donaldist club upthere.

That would be "NAFS(k)uriren" #4, December 1978. I think that "Der
Hamburger Donaldist" also published the full Swedish lyrics around that
time, taken from that source. I don't think they asked our permission, but
I also don't think we minded very much.

NAFS(k) will celebrate its silver anniversary (25 years) in a few months'
time. Maybe we shouldn't speculate, but perhaps that would be a fitting
time to let the full song be heard again... let's hope there isn't any snow
in Stockholm in September...

Stefan Dios
Malmo, Sweden

Stefan wrote:

> I was very much involved in this project... I seem to
> remember writing at
> length about it on this list a couple of years ago. Maybe
> someone who knows
> how to dig it out can find that message, in case anyone is
> interested.

Maybe no-one is interested, but here's that message anyway (is that almost 3
years ago already?):

------------------------------
Date: Sat, 11 Jul 1998 03:14:40 +0200 (MET DST)
From: Stefan Di?s
Subject: Swedish Screaming-Sighing Cowboy-Sailor

As to Anders Chr. Sivebaek's inquiry about "The Screaming Cowboy", I feel
compelled (and, as we shall see, uniquely qualified) to add something about
the Swedish version.

The Swedish text is very similar to the Danish (about a sailor rather than a
cowboy), another indication that Swedish and Danish translators over the
years glanced at each other more than they might want to admit. Remarkably,
even when the story was reprinted with new dialog in 1970 (after first
having been published in 1952), the song was still about a sailor. And quite
similar to the older version, too.

Just like in Denmark, the given lyrics are well known by Donaldists of most
generations, even though preferences may vary between the older and newer
text versions. Personally, having grown up around that time, I find the 1970
lyrics closest to my heart. Without reservation, I regard this as the
authentic and correct version of the song. Isn't it natural that Donald, the
song's author, would want to improve on his text for later publication?

In fact, this song has a very special place in Swedish Donaldistic history.
In 1978, while still at high school in Bromma, Stockholm, some young
Donaldists actually set out on an expedition to Duckburg in order to find
the music and the full lyrics to this musical masterpiece. After many heroic
adventures, they became the first known humans to return alive from
Calisota. And indeed, they had been able to retrieve the sought-after
treasure: the complete "Screaming Cowboy"... or rather, "Den suckande
sjomannen", with Donald Duck's own musical score and Swedish lyrics for all
three stanzas.

Shortly thereafter, the ballad was performed in Nya Elementar Senior High
School as a Musical History project. The orchestration included piano,
cornet, guitar, harmonica, and, of course, vocals. According to spectators,
the performance was "very sad, a real tragedy". Quite appropriate, since the
song is nothing if not melancholic.

Soon, the newly founded Donaldist association NAFS(k) adopted "Den suckande
sjomannen" as its national anthem. To this day, it is still sung at
ceremonious occasions within the club, although one should note that we
rarely find an occasion quite so ceremonious as to justify such an
extremity. And we never, never execute the song close to any overhanging
masses of snow.

Music and lyrics were published in NAFS(k)uriren #4 (1978), and I seem to
recall that the lyrics were reprinted in Der Hamburger Donaldist. I hope
they delighted all German Donaldists who could read Swedish; or those who
couldn't.

Let me also reveal the identities of those famous adventurers who hunted
down the fabled treasure back in '78: The incommensurable Greger N?ss?n
found most of the music, while my own humble self found most of the text.
Without any doubt, this feat will forever remain the single most momentous
and prominent piece of research in Donaldistic history.

That should cover everything anyone needs to know about this subject.

Stefan Dios, H.O.T.A. (Hero Of The Anthem)
Malmo, Sweden

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--Harry, H.O.T.A. (Hero Of The Archive)
Leidschendam, the Netherlands

Hi, Anders Christian Sivebaek!
>

> This painting talk reminds me of a cartoon I watched the other day.
> It's called Donald's diary (maybe only in danish)

No, no. It's its original title. A very funny cartoon, that I quote in the
chapter of the Disney book ("Walt Disney presenta Paperina e le altre") that
I wrote some seven years ago or so and that Armando translated for all the
members some days ago.
Ciao!

Luca

Hey Harry!

>> the Germans have hardly
>> produced *anything* in almost half a century, and the French have
>> discontinued doing so, because of their conversion to Barks and Rosa.
>> This is rather sad, as their own artists made very charming work.
>
>Is this a fact? Did the French officially decide to cut on their
>producktion?

PICSOU no longer prints (much) new French material, that's true, due
to the "conversion to Barks and Rosa". Personally, while I like the works of
Barks and Rosa, I do think this has as a result become an extremely
restrictive magazine that passes over, by rule, on a lot of good stories.
Anyway, back to topic - LE JOURNAL DE MICKEY still prints *lots* of
new French stories. I have heard of no decision to cut production, official
or otherwise. And Egmont still presents a lot of the new French material in
its monthly extra.

David