I wrote this before:
>Does anyone here know anything about a Disney-character I just re[a]d about
>called (at least in norwegian) "Filo Filur"?
Paolo Castagno replyed:
I suppose he is Filo Sganga, from the great Maestro Romano
Scarpa, take a look at
http://digilander.iol.it/inducks
to check if they are the same character (look up on the right
corner)
And I reply:
Yes, it´s him... Does Sganga mean anything special in Italien?
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Message 346 -
2001-05-30 at 21:54:53
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Message 347 -
2001-05-30 at 22:28:28
In case Tom Andrae doesn't (can't) provide DCML with the sales statistics of
WDC & Stories from Malcom Willits' article, any list member who currently has
contact with John Nichols can contact him. John should still have file copies
of all "Barks Collector" issues, and should remember which one had the article.
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Sigvald Grøsfjeld
Norway trip and Duckhunter meeting
Message 348 -
2001-05-31 at 00:56:42
Hello everyone at DCML!
Just a few comments to ACs wonderful description of his trip to my home
city Stavanger:
>Then we drove to the city, Stavanger in Sigvald's father's car.
>In Stavanger we firstly spend some ours at L?v?s, a second-hand shop.
>The issues there were sorted very nicely in years, and it was easy to
>find the issues that I wanted for me and my dutch completist-friend.
>(The ones they had at least). I also got a look at other things in the
>store, big books, collections, american Gladstone's and many
>pocketbooks. They even had dansih comic albums!
We even found an issue of the Danish Anders And & Co (32/2000) which
included Don Rosa's "class schedule". So I bought it instead of Anders who
off course looked for the Norwegian edition of that one.
>Hereafter we went to see the place were Sigvald's father grew up, In
>Pedersgaten (Peter's Street approximately). The family had a wellknown
>butcher-store here for many years. Even our host family knew about the
>place. Sigvald's Uncle was the last owner, and is now retired.
L?v?s is also in Pedersgaten, at the same side of the road, located some 50
meters closer to the senter of the City.
>We visitted Stavanger Dome (head church). We have around 9 in Denmark,
>don't we?) where there was some choir-session going on, but we went
>around and it was really a nice place, with ornaments and those colored
>windows I like so much.
The church Anders is mentioning is "Stavanger Domkirke".
>Then we went around this big lake in the middle of city.
Everything is relative... You can easily walk around "Breiavatnet" in 10
minutes.
>We drove to the university were Sigvald went 20 years ago. In 1980 he
>first got experience with computers in a certain room at this place
>which he showed me.
Not 100% correct. It didn't start my studies at "H?gskolen" before August
1987. However, I knew that place well before that, because my father worked
there for many years. So it was my father who let me use one of their
computers in the early 1980's.
>We drove past Hafrsfjord were Norway was made into one kingdom by
>Harald H?rfagre (he had much hair I suppose)
Correct! The saga says that he let his hair grow until the had conquered
the whole nation. The batle at Hafrsfjord is said to have taken place in
the year 872. But some Norwegian historians says that it's possible that it
actually took place some years after.
>Then we drove to Sigvald's house, said hi to his father and went down
>in the basement where Sigvald lives. Sigvald had the old computergame
>"Summergames" and played the national anthems of Denmark and Norway!
Yes, as many others I had a Commodore 64 in the 1980s. Later on I got a
Commodore 128D - which I use to set in C-64 mode.
>At around 5-30 pm Geir arrived. we said hello and talked about
>different things. Eg. Barks-indexes that look alike.
Yes, and Geir concluded that the Danish Barks Indeks was based upon the
Norwegian one that he has made together with Erik H?rthe and perhaps some
other people.
>As told, Sigvald's head subject is history - he ends it with his head
>reporrt (I'd call it a doctor disputatis or something). It's really
>heavy, on 230 pages! About property right in the beginning of the 16th
>centruy in a certain community (Ry) in Norway.
Actually it's 231!!! pages. And it's about how the local courts in Ryfylke
(the area north of Stavanger, in the south west of Norway) worked in the
period 1616-1642. I have been consentrating about cases consering real
estates, such as conflicts about borders, ownership, various taxes conected
to real estates, hereditary rights, etc. The only thing left before I am
finnished with my studies is two exams in June.
>The day after Sigvald had phoned and I called back. I had brought with
>me the dansih weekly which was actually for Sigvald. I'm very
>forgetfull you see.
To be honest - it seems that both of us were a bit forgetfull those days.
But it ended well!
>So Sigvald fecthed it as his father and him were going somewhere.
To my fathers sister and her husband to be exact.
And to conclude Anders' report I can ensure everyone that it was very nice
to have him visiting me. From my point of view the meeting was very
successfull, and I am very happy that it seems that my friends seems to
agree with me.
Best regards from
Sigvald :-)
Just a few comments to ACs wonderful description of his trip to my home
city Stavanger:
>Then we drove to the city, Stavanger in Sigvald's father's car.
>In Stavanger we firstly spend some ours at L?v?s, a second-hand shop.
>The issues there were sorted very nicely in years, and it was easy to
>find the issues that I wanted for me and my dutch completist-friend.
>(The ones they had at least). I also got a look at other things in the
>store, big books, collections, american Gladstone's and many
>pocketbooks. They even had dansih comic albums!
We even found an issue of the Danish Anders And & Co (32/2000) which
included Don Rosa's "class schedule". So I bought it instead of Anders who
off course looked for the Norwegian edition of that one.
>Hereafter we went to see the place were Sigvald's father grew up, In
>Pedersgaten (Peter's Street approximately). The family had a wellknown
>butcher-store here for many years. Even our host family knew about the
>place. Sigvald's Uncle was the last owner, and is now retired.
L?v?s is also in Pedersgaten, at the same side of the road, located some 50
meters closer to the senter of the City.
>We visitted Stavanger Dome (head church). We have around 9 in Denmark,
>don't we?) where there was some choir-session going on, but we went
>around and it was really a nice place, with ornaments and those colored
>windows I like so much.
The church Anders is mentioning is "Stavanger Domkirke".
>Then we went around this big lake in the middle of city.
Everything is relative... You can easily walk around "Breiavatnet" in 10
minutes.
>We drove to the university were Sigvald went 20 years ago. In 1980 he
>first got experience with computers in a certain room at this place
>which he showed me.
Not 100% correct. It didn't start my studies at "H?gskolen" before August
1987. However, I knew that place well before that, because my father worked
there for many years. So it was my father who let me use one of their
computers in the early 1980's.
>We drove past Hafrsfjord were Norway was made into one kingdom by
>Harald H?rfagre (he had much hair I suppose)
Correct! The saga says that he let his hair grow until the had conquered
the whole nation. The batle at Hafrsfjord is said to have taken place in
the year 872. But some Norwegian historians says that it's possible that it
actually took place some years after.
>Then we drove to Sigvald's house, said hi to his father and went down
>in the basement where Sigvald lives. Sigvald had the old computergame
>"Summergames" and played the national anthems of Denmark and Norway!
Yes, as many others I had a Commodore 64 in the 1980s. Later on I got a
Commodore 128D - which I use to set in C-64 mode.
>At around 5-30 pm Geir arrived. we said hello and talked about
>different things. Eg. Barks-indexes that look alike.
Yes, and Geir concluded that the Danish Barks Indeks was based upon the
Norwegian one that he has made together with Erik H?rthe and perhaps some
other people.
>As told, Sigvald's head subject is history - he ends it with his head
>reporrt (I'd call it a doctor disputatis or something). It's really
>heavy, on 230 pages! About property right in the beginning of the 16th
>centruy in a certain community (Ry) in Norway.
Actually it's 231!!! pages. And it's about how the local courts in Ryfylke
(the area north of Stavanger, in the south west of Norway) worked in the
period 1616-1642. I have been consentrating about cases consering real
estates, such as conflicts about borders, ownership, various taxes conected
to real estates, hereditary rights, etc. The only thing left before I am
finnished with my studies is two exams in June.
>The day after Sigvald had phoned and I called back. I had brought with
>me the dansih weekly which was actually for Sigvald. I'm very
>forgetfull you see.
To be honest - it seems that both of us were a bit forgetfull those days.
But it ended well!
>So Sigvald fecthed it as his father and him were going somewhere.
To my fathers sister and her husband to be exact.
And to conclude Anders' report I can ensure everyone that it was very nice
to have him visiting me. From my point of view the meeting was very
successfull, and I am very happy that it seems that my friends seems to
agree with me.
Best regards from
Sigvald :-)
Fabio Blanco
Boiled eggs
Message 349 -
2001-05-31 at 02:56:48
Hi duck people:
I wonder if you can help me to identify an
Grandma Duck story about a trial over some hard boiled eggs. (The source of
this history came for a tale about King Solomon). I'll give you more details
if I can...
Thanks.
Fabio Blanco
*********************
Bonvolu postu al: longtom at oeste.com.ar
I wonder if you can help me to identify an
Grandma Duck story about a trial over some hard boiled eggs. (The source of
this history came for a tale about King Solomon). I'll give you more details
if I can...
Thanks.
Fabio Blanco
*********************
Bonvolu postu al: longtom at oeste.com.ar
Rob Klein
WDC & S sales
Message 350 -
2001-05-31 at 10:09:15
For W.L. Lilly and others: I was informed by Tom Andrae, that Walt
Disney's Comics and Stories DID, indeed, SURPASS the 3 million sales figure
in the early 1950s; and was officially, the largest selling comic book of
all time. The Malcom Willits article did not have different figures for
each month in 1950; and thereby, it is not possible to compare sales of
Barks vs. non-Barks lead story issues in that year. In addition, it is
unfortunate that the actual number of subscriber letters of complaint to
Western Publishing is not available. It should be noted, however, that the
total was significant enough to place Mr. Barks back on his old schedule of
producing ALL 10-page lead stories in succeeding years. EVERYONE whom I
knew, in those days (INCLUDING casual readers), were dissappointed when
they came accross those non-Barks issues.
More information on specifics of circulation figures will be published in
Tom's upcoming book on Barks. I am sure he will want to inform DCML
members in proper time about its publication date.
Regarding Joe Torcivia's comments on the comic book cover notes announcing
Barks' stories inside:
I tend to agree more with W.L. Lilly, that lines such as "It's Spooky, it's
Kooky" sound much more like Western's editors than Carl Barks. Their idea
of the "mental age" of their readership was very different from that of Mr.
Barks. A few of these did seem "Barksish" enough to have been written by
him. But, knowing the way Western operated, I rather doubt that some of
them were provided by Barks, and some not. I can picture them asking him
to draw an additional small drawing for the cover, but not bothering him
for "advert lines" to entice readers to purchase the book. I believe the
editorial staff would have saved THAT function for themselves (one of the
small, fun riskless ways they could help justify their existence). It is a
very interesting question posed by Daniel van Eijmeren. It is too bad that
no one thought of it early enough to have asked Carl, himself, or Chase
Craig (unless Don Ault did recently).
Rob Klein
Disney's Comics and Stories DID, indeed, SURPASS the 3 million sales figure
in the early 1950s; and was officially, the largest selling comic book of
all time. The Malcom Willits article did not have different figures for
each month in 1950; and thereby, it is not possible to compare sales of
Barks vs. non-Barks lead story issues in that year. In addition, it is
unfortunate that the actual number of subscriber letters of complaint to
Western Publishing is not available. It should be noted, however, that the
total was significant enough to place Mr. Barks back on his old schedule of
producing ALL 10-page lead stories in succeeding years. EVERYONE whom I
knew, in those days (INCLUDING casual readers), were dissappointed when
they came accross those non-Barks issues.
More information on specifics of circulation figures will be published in
Tom's upcoming book on Barks. I am sure he will want to inform DCML
members in proper time about its publication date.
Regarding Joe Torcivia's comments on the comic book cover notes announcing
Barks' stories inside:
I tend to agree more with W.L. Lilly, that lines such as "It's Spooky, it's
Kooky" sound much more like Western's editors than Carl Barks. Their idea
of the "mental age" of their readership was very different from that of Mr.
Barks. A few of these did seem "Barksish" enough to have been written by
him. But, knowing the way Western operated, I rather doubt that some of
them were provided by Barks, and some not. I can picture them asking him
to draw an additional small drawing for the cover, but not bothering him
for "advert lines" to entice readers to purchase the book. I believe the
editorial staff would have saved THAT function for themselves (one of the
small, fun riskless ways they could help justify their existence). It is a
very interesting question posed by Daniel van Eijmeren. It is too bad that
no one thought of it early enough to have asked Carl, himself, or Chase
Craig (unless Don Ault did recently).
Rob Klein
SRoweCanoe
Wages
Message 351 -
2001-05-31 at 13:47:11
In a message dated 5/31/2001 6:05:39 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
dcml-request at stp.ling.uu.se writes:
> I had asked this before, but nobody seemed to know at that time: how
> much was 30 cents an hour when Barks was writing his stories? Was it a
> princely sum, minimum wages, or less than minimum wages? (And was this
> amount a princely sum when the Panama canal was being dug?)
>
so what year was this story ?
when the USA minimum wage started (in the 1930s?), it was 25 cents an hour.
Steven Rowe
dcml-request at stp.ling.uu.se writes:
> I had asked this before, but nobody seemed to know at that time: how
> much was 30 cents an hour when Barks was writing his stories? Was it a
> princely sum, minimum wages, or less than minimum wages? (And was this
> amount a princely sum when the Panama canal was being dug?)
>
so what year was this story ?
when the USA minimum wage started (in the 1930s?), it was 25 cents an hour.
Steven Rowe
JTorci3511
Cover Captions
Message 352 -
2001-05-31 at 13:53:08
Thanks to Rob Klien for his additional comments on Chase Craig, the Don Ault
interview, and the Gold Key cover captions.
Rob Writes:
<< "Regarding Joe Torcivia's comments on the comic book cover notes announcing
Barks' stories inside: I tend to agree more with W.L. Lilly, that lines such
as "It's Spooky, it's Kooky" sound much more like Western's editors than Carl
Barks. >>
You could certainly be correct, Rob. As I wrote earlier, so much of this
knowledge will simply die with men like Mr. Barks and Mr. Craig.
BUT, when we consider whether or not Barks may have contributed "It's Spooky,
it's Kooky", I think we ought to remember that this would have been the Barks
of "Interplanetary Postman", "The Great Wig Mystery", "The Heedless
Horseman", and "Hall of the Mermaid Queen" --- and NOT the Barks of "Old
California", "Ancient Persia", "Only a Poor Old Man", and "Back to the
Klondike"!
The Barks who produced the first grouping of stories I site, could very well
have dashed off "It's Spooky, it's Kooky", wouldn't you say?
Joe Torcivia.
interview, and the Gold Key cover captions.
Rob Writes:
<< "Regarding Joe Torcivia's comments on the comic book cover notes announcing
Barks' stories inside: I tend to agree more with W.L. Lilly, that lines such
as "It's Spooky, it's Kooky" sound much more like Western's editors than Carl
Barks. >>
You could certainly be correct, Rob. As I wrote earlier, so much of this
knowledge will simply die with men like Mr. Barks and Mr. Craig.
BUT, when we consider whether or not Barks may have contributed "It's Spooky,
it's Kooky", I think we ought to remember that this would have been the Barks
of "Interplanetary Postman", "The Great Wig Mystery", "The Heedless
Horseman", and "Hall of the Mermaid Queen" --- and NOT the Barks of "Old
California", "Ancient Persia", "Only a Poor Old Man", and "Back to the
Klondike"!
The Barks who produced the first grouping of stories I site, could very well
have dashed off "It's Spooky, it's Kooky", wouldn't you say?
Joe Torcivia.
Thierry Fernand
Andy Panda - rare Barks story scanned
Message 353 -
2001-05-31 at 14:58:14
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Last night I had the strangest dream...
Message 354 -
2001-05-31 at 15:31:14
Hi! I just want to tell you that tonight, I had a really weird dream. I
dreamed that the king of Norway made Dan Shane a royal knight. Quite odd,
since I don't know what Dan Shane looks like, but that was my dream. Ciao!
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Message 355 -
2001-05-31 at 16:01:17
From: Kriton Kyrimis <kyrimis at cti.gr>
>>>DON:
>>>In this story, when Scrooge hears that workers in the Panama canal may
earn up to 30 cents an hour, he exclaims that he is never going to pay
anyone such princely wages, especially a relative!
I had asked this before, but nobody seemed to know at that time: how
much was 30 cents an hour when Barks was writing his stories? Was it a
princely sum, minimum wages, or less than minimum wages?
In the 1950's, 30 cents per hour was a very LOW pay rate... but it was not
so low as to be unheard of! It was a *possible* pay rate for menial labor,
as opposed to today when nobody would work for less than about $4-5 for
even the easiest job regardless of their situation.
>>>>(And was this
amount a princely sum when the Panama canal was being dug?)
In 1906, yes, it was a princely sum! It was such a good pay rate that it
lured able-bodied Americans to the yellow-fever swamps of Panama for a
chance to be paid so well! And only the white Americans were paid this
much... black Americans and Panamanian workers earned less than 30 cents
per hour. It's when my research revealed that the pay was 30 cents per hour
that I knew I'd have to mention the fact in my story, though as always I
would imagine readers figured I was making it all up rather than basing
everything on fact.
(The only glaring inaccuracy I recall putting into that tale was that my
Bucyrus Steam Shovel was running around on tank treads. They were actually
moved on train cars. Tank treads were not invented until the necessity of
the Great War to End All Wars, still 10 years off.)
From: "Anders Christian Sivebaek" <acsive at mail.mira.dk>
>>>The german readers on www.comicforum.de btw are very frustrated they
wont see these blueprints.
Well, maybe they'll see them when that story is reprinted in the German
"Rosa Album" series.
Speaking a bit more on the blueprints, I've now seen all three of the "Big
Three" weekly versions of it, all of the versions that Dan Shane created on
his computer here in Louisville and which were printed directly from his
computer file into the Egmont comics. And each printing is different. All
are rather nice, but they're still different.
The Swedish version looks good, but the blue is a light turquoise. Still,
no problem.
The Danish is interesting in that each page is printed on a different
printing press! The two blueprint pages happened to fall on the break line
of the halves of ANDERS AND which are printed by vastly different printing
processes. Part of the Danish weekly, the core, is printed on an ancient
rotogravure press that has been part of Egmont (Gutenburghus) for a few
thousand years, and which they want to keep busy for tradition (printing
being the original function of the now vast Egmont company). But since that
printer is too small to handle the whole job, the rest of ANDERS AND is
printed by modern methods on slicker, better paper. Therefore the second
page of the blueprints look okay, not bad, just slightly out-of-focus...
but the *first* page is gorgeous! Crystal clear and razor sharp! Also, if
you look very closely, it seems that Denmark changed one thing in Dan's
title block -- they decided to use a different name than we had for the
architect. They did not have Dan's architectural font so they used a
calligraphy font. But it looks okay, as if the egotistical architect added
his own name in fancy handwriting.
Now the Norwegian version is quite clear and sharp... but their color blue
is so dark that the furniture and other fine-lined portions of the plans
are almost invisible. But not quite, it still looks good. The oddity in the
Norwegian version is the changes/omissions to the rest of the story. On the
first page the little cake-topper candy hangman's gallows on the top of
Grandpa's cake are missing. Also in that panel there is a scroll below the
circle that the Money Bin is in which is supposed to say "CREATED BY CARL
BARKS" to show that this story is part of the Barks series tribute and that
the Bin is the subject of this story (along with Barks' Beagles). But in
Norway that circle says "written and drawn by Don Rosa". That's certainly
flattering, but it almost gives me equal billing with Barks in his own
tribute series, which isn't proper. And it also leaves no explanation for
why I would draw that odd circle around the Money Bin in that panel. I hope
readers don't assume I gave myself that high billing.... do you think they
would?
Finally, in the panel where the Beagles emerge from the well in the
basement of the Bin, and they are supposed to be looking at a wall where a
disgruntled workman has scrawled nasty graffiti about Mr. McDuck, this
being how the Beagles know they are in the Bin. But in the Norwegian
version there is no graffiti! The wall is blank! How do they know where
they are?
Anyway, I am prouder of these Bin blueprints and Dan's work on them than of
anything else I've done since the "Lo$" series. This was great fun!
>>>DON:
>>>In this story, when Scrooge hears that workers in the Panama canal may
earn up to 30 cents an hour, he exclaims that he is never going to pay
anyone such princely wages, especially a relative!
I had asked this before, but nobody seemed to know at that time: how
much was 30 cents an hour when Barks was writing his stories? Was it a
princely sum, minimum wages, or less than minimum wages?
In the 1950's, 30 cents per hour was a very LOW pay rate... but it was not
so low as to be unheard of! It was a *possible* pay rate for menial labor,
as opposed to today when nobody would work for less than about $4-5 for
even the easiest job regardless of their situation.
>>>>(And was this
amount a princely sum when the Panama canal was being dug?)
In 1906, yes, it was a princely sum! It was such a good pay rate that it
lured able-bodied Americans to the yellow-fever swamps of Panama for a
chance to be paid so well! And only the white Americans were paid this
much... black Americans and Panamanian workers earned less than 30 cents
per hour. It's when my research revealed that the pay was 30 cents per hour
that I knew I'd have to mention the fact in my story, though as always I
would imagine readers figured I was making it all up rather than basing
everything on fact.
(The only glaring inaccuracy I recall putting into that tale was that my
Bucyrus Steam Shovel was running around on tank treads. They were actually
moved on train cars. Tank treads were not invented until the necessity of
the Great War to End All Wars, still 10 years off.)
From: "Anders Christian Sivebaek" <acsive at mail.mira.dk>
>>>The german readers on www.comicforum.de btw are very frustrated they
wont see these blueprints.
Well, maybe they'll see them when that story is reprinted in the German
"Rosa Album" series.
Speaking a bit more on the blueprints, I've now seen all three of the "Big
Three" weekly versions of it, all of the versions that Dan Shane created on
his computer here in Louisville and which were printed directly from his
computer file into the Egmont comics. And each printing is different. All
are rather nice, but they're still different.
The Swedish version looks good, but the blue is a light turquoise. Still,
no problem.
The Danish is interesting in that each page is printed on a different
printing press! The two blueprint pages happened to fall on the break line
of the halves of ANDERS AND which are printed by vastly different printing
processes. Part of the Danish weekly, the core, is printed on an ancient
rotogravure press that has been part of Egmont (Gutenburghus) for a few
thousand years, and which they want to keep busy for tradition (printing
being the original function of the now vast Egmont company). But since that
printer is too small to handle the whole job, the rest of ANDERS AND is
printed by modern methods on slicker, better paper. Therefore the second
page of the blueprints look okay, not bad, just slightly out-of-focus...
but the *first* page is gorgeous! Crystal clear and razor sharp! Also, if
you look very closely, it seems that Denmark changed one thing in Dan's
title block -- they decided to use a different name than we had for the
architect. They did not have Dan's architectural font so they used a
calligraphy font. But it looks okay, as if the egotistical architect added
his own name in fancy handwriting.
Now the Norwegian version is quite clear and sharp... but their color blue
is so dark that the furniture and other fine-lined portions of the plans
are almost invisible. But not quite, it still looks good. The oddity in the
Norwegian version is the changes/omissions to the rest of the story. On the
first page the little cake-topper candy hangman's gallows on the top of
Grandpa's cake are missing. Also in that panel there is a scroll below the
circle that the Money Bin is in which is supposed to say "CREATED BY CARL
BARKS" to show that this story is part of the Barks series tribute and that
the Bin is the subject of this story (along with Barks' Beagles). But in
Norway that circle says "written and drawn by Don Rosa". That's certainly
flattering, but it almost gives me equal billing with Barks in his own
tribute series, which isn't proper. And it also leaves no explanation for
why I would draw that odd circle around the Money Bin in that panel. I hope
readers don't assume I gave myself that high billing.... do you think they
would?
Finally, in the panel where the Beagles emerge from the well in the
basement of the Bin, and they are supposed to be looking at a wall where a
disgruntled workman has scrawled nasty graffiti about Mr. McDuck, this
being how the Beagles know they are in the Bin. But in the Norwegian
version there is no graffiti! The wall is blank! How do they know where
they are?
Anyway, I am prouder of these Bin blueprints and Dan's work on them than of
anything else I've done since the "Lo$" series. This was great fun!
Rob Klein
Panama Canal Wages
Message 356 -
2001-05-31 at 17:26:19
For Kriton: The engineers working on the Panama Canal in the first years
after 1904 were mostly US citizens, but most of the physical workers were
Panamanians. Thirty cents US for the latter at that time, to spend back in
Panama City or their other towns in Panama, would, INDEED, have been a
princely sum.
In the early 1950s, when Barks was writing his Uncle Scrooge stories, $0.30
per hour would not have been (to the best of my recollection) even a salary
for an adolescent, or an unskilled worker in USA. $100 per week was a good
salary for a breadwinner at that time. Many less fortunate or less skilled
people were getting by on $40 per week. 40 - 50 hours @ $ 0.30 = $12 - $15
per week. That would have been enough to live in a cheap hotel(flophouse)
in big city centres, among the drunkards, cheap prostitutes and
down-and-outers, but that wouldn't have been enough for most of the
"general population" at that time. It would have stretched farther in
small towns and the countryside, but still not enough.
It seems to me, that Scrooge's comment is used by Don Rosa as an ironic
presager of the ongoing (running) gag of Donald's (and the Boys') salary of
$0.30 per hour. He would NEVER pay such a PRINCELY sum (as it certainly
would have been to Panamanian ditchdiggers in 1904-1910) to ANYONE! Then,
ironically, Scrooge pays his own next of kin that same amount (never
adjusted for inflation); when it becomes a very poor salary in the 1950s,
and almost totally worthless (to the novice Worldwide reader - who may
think the stories take place in the year 2000!).
As I am just remembering from my childhood, and as a "visitor", I wouldn't
"bet the farm" on the accuracy of my numbers. I'm hoping that Don will
tell us exactly what he had in mind.
Rob Klein
after 1904 were mostly US citizens, but most of the physical workers were
Panamanians. Thirty cents US for the latter at that time, to spend back in
Panama City or their other towns in Panama, would, INDEED, have been a
princely sum.
In the early 1950s, when Barks was writing his Uncle Scrooge stories, $0.30
per hour would not have been (to the best of my recollection) even a salary
for an adolescent, or an unskilled worker in USA. $100 per week was a good
salary for a breadwinner at that time. Many less fortunate or less skilled
people were getting by on $40 per week. 40 - 50 hours @ $ 0.30 = $12 - $15
per week. That would have been enough to live in a cheap hotel(flophouse)
in big city centres, among the drunkards, cheap prostitutes and
down-and-outers, but that wouldn't have been enough for most of the
"general population" at that time. It would have stretched farther in
small towns and the countryside, but still not enough.
It seems to me, that Scrooge's comment is used by Don Rosa as an ironic
presager of the ongoing (running) gag of Donald's (and the Boys') salary of
$0.30 per hour. He would NEVER pay such a PRINCELY sum (as it certainly
would have been to Panamanian ditchdiggers in 1904-1910) to ANYONE! Then,
ironically, Scrooge pays his own next of kin that same amount (never
adjusted for inflation); when it becomes a very poor salary in the 1950s,
and almost totally worthless (to the novice Worldwide reader - who may
think the stories take place in the year 2000!).
As I am just remembering from my childhood, and as a "visitor", I wouldn't
"bet the farm" on the accuracy of my numbers. I'm hoping that Don will
tell us exactly what he had in mind.
Rob Klein
Daniel Van Eijmeren
Blueprints and CAD, a three-dimensional daydream
Message 357 -
2001-05-31 at 17:49:37
DAN SHANE to ANDERS SIVEBAEK, 29-05-2001:
> These days just about all technical drawings are created with the aid
> of Computer Aided Design programs (CAD), and are printed out as black
> lines on white paper.
Some (or all?) CAD-programs also make it possible to generate a
three-dimensional version of a design, which allows the user to see
the design from different angles.
Maybe this technique could be used for the money-bin and for a city-plan
of Duckburg?
If CAD-programmes also allow pictures being pasted over the design, like
parts of comic book panels, then it must be possible to build a virtual
three-dimensional moneybin and Duckburg, which will allow the user to
"walk" through them like a tourist.
I'm thinking of The Beatles' "Free As a Bird" videoclip as an example,
which is a virtual travel though the Beatles universe. (You can see
Eleanor Rigby's grave, the paperback writer, the street with the
Apple-building, etc.)
Another example is the BBC-series "Walking With Dinosaurs."
The appearances of the moneybin and Duckburg are inconsistent, but
still I can't help daydreaming about how far such a three-dimensional
project could go.
Best wishes,
--- Daniel
PS. One practical purpose of this imaginary project could be a
Duck Adventures video-game in which the player:
- has to avoid danger when leading the Micro-Ducks through Duckburg (US 65)
- has to hide for Daisy's club (WDC 101 nightmare story)
- has to avoid spies when bringing a serum to Codfish Cove (WDC 114)
- has to reach the surpressed desire party in an armor suit (WDC 198)
- etc. etc. etc.
If this game would get a mutliple player network-option, we could all
play this game together on internet. :-)
> These days just about all technical drawings are created with the aid
> of Computer Aided Design programs (CAD), and are printed out as black
> lines on white paper.
Some (or all?) CAD-programs also make it possible to generate a
three-dimensional version of a design, which allows the user to see
the design from different angles.
Maybe this technique could be used for the money-bin and for a city-plan
of Duckburg?
If CAD-programmes also allow pictures being pasted over the design, like
parts of comic book panels, then it must be possible to build a virtual
three-dimensional moneybin and Duckburg, which will allow the user to
"walk" through them like a tourist.
I'm thinking of The Beatles' "Free As a Bird" videoclip as an example,
which is a virtual travel though the Beatles universe. (You can see
Eleanor Rigby's grave, the paperback writer, the street with the
Apple-building, etc.)
Another example is the BBC-series "Walking With Dinosaurs."
The appearances of the moneybin and Duckburg are inconsistent, but
still I can't help daydreaming about how far such a three-dimensional
project could go.
Best wishes,
--- Daniel
PS. One practical purpose of this imaginary project could be a
Duck Adventures video-game in which the player:
- has to avoid danger when leading the Micro-Ducks through Duckburg (US 65)
- has to hide for Daisy's club (WDC 101 nightmare story)
- has to avoid spies when bringing a serum to Codfish Cove (WDC 114)
- has to reach the surpressed desire party in an armor suit (WDC 198)
- etc. etc. etc.
If this game would get a mutliple player network-option, we could all
play this game together on internet. :-)
Sigvald Grøsfjeld
Norway trip and Duckhunter meeting
Message 358 -
2001-05-31 at 19:44:13
>Delivered-To: sigvaldg at stud.ntnu.no
>From: "Anders Christian Sivebaek" <acsive at mail.mira.dk>
>To: <dcml at stp.ling.uu.se>
>Cc: <sigvaldg at stud.ntnu.no>
>Subject: Norway trip and Duckhunter meeting
>Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 16:55:09 +0200
>X-MSMail-Priority: Normal
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Just antoher corretion:
>Sigvald was in the marine at Madla, and we drove past that.
What Anders mean is that I served in the Royal Norwegian Navy ("marine" is
Scandinavian for "navy") from July 1986 to August 1987. I served all 13
months in "Madlaleiren" (=The Madla camp) 10 mins walk from home. The camp
is located some 100 meters from the 3 swords sculpture.
Best regards from
Sigvald :-)
>From: "Anders Christian Sivebaek" <acsive at mail.mira.dk>
>To: <dcml at stp.ling.uu.se>
>Cc: <sigvaldg at stud.ntnu.no>
>Subject: Norway trip and Duckhunter meeting
>Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 16:55:09 +0200
>X-MSMail-Priority: Normal
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>X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS perl-10
Just antoher corretion:
>Sigvald was in the marine at Madla, and we drove past that.
What Anders mean is that I served in the Royal Norwegian Navy ("marine" is
Scandinavian for "navy") from July 1986 to August 1987. I served all 13
months in "Madlaleiren" (=The Madla camp) 10 mins walk from home. The camp
is located some 100 meters from the 3 swords sculpture.
Best regards from
Sigvald :-)
Luca Faccioli
Answer from Luca Faccioli to Blasco Pisapia and Rob Klein.
Message 359 -
2001-05-31 at 20:03:17
Hallo, Blasco and Rob.
I have received your kind letters and I have tried to answer you but I had problems with my E-provider, so I 'm not sure to have send correctly my letters.
Please write me again (especially If you don't have received anything by my side! ) so I can try again to contact you!
Ciao, Luca.
I have received your kind letters and I have tried to answer you but I had problems with my E-provider, so I 'm not sure to have send correctly my letters.
Please write me again (especially If you don't have received anything by my side! ) so I can try again to contact you!
Ciao, Luca.
Gilles MAURICE
Mouse family Tree...
Message 360 -
2001-05-31 at 21:11:23
Hi!
I would want to know mere about this characters, and , if somebody have
those stories, some scans if you can...
In the story S63027, published in France in PM 42, I've heard about a uncle
Pickley (french name), who would be Mickey's uncle living in the north pole.
If somebody can tell me his original/english name, and if somebody could
send me scans of him, they would be welcome...
In france, in Mickey Parade#31, from july '82, is Minnie's uncle Topaze, who
works at the "Canard Soir" (scan and/or original name welcome)
In Rich's pages, I think in Uncle Mortimer's page, I have heard about a
Grandpa MOuse who would be both MM and Minnie's grandpa information and scan
welcome :-)
Could somebody scan me MInnie's parents, in "Mr Slicker and the Egg robber"
from 1930
In "The 'lectro box", (oct25, 1943-feb5, 1944), we can see Minnie's unnamed
aunt in a portrait. Scans welcome
Scans of Jonathan Tobias Mouse, Mickey's ancestor from 1763, and of his
birth certificate welcome.
Mickey's ancestors in a gag-a-day strip from oct1,1945 (long John, Dick and
Tex)
Ij rich's pages, I have heard about a Manfred, and a Maisie, could someone
provide scans?
Is Matilda Mouse Cousin Digger's daughter or Digger's niece?? (I saw this
character in Eta-Beta's old elatives section
In a mickey Poche (#151, from 1986) are two li'l strips from 1961 with a
li'l mouse girl raised at Mickey's is she Maisie or another (she has a hair)
I already have 50 other characters in the tree !!!
thanks, Gilles
I would want to know mere about this characters, and , if somebody have
those stories, some scans if you can...
In the story S63027, published in France in PM 42, I've heard about a uncle
Pickley (french name), who would be Mickey's uncle living in the north pole.
If somebody can tell me his original/english name, and if somebody could
send me scans of him, they would be welcome...
In france, in Mickey Parade#31, from july '82, is Minnie's uncle Topaze, who
works at the "Canard Soir" (scan and/or original name welcome)
In Rich's pages, I think in Uncle Mortimer's page, I have heard about a
Grandpa MOuse who would be both MM and Minnie's grandpa information and scan
welcome :-)
Could somebody scan me MInnie's parents, in "Mr Slicker and the Egg robber"
from 1930
In "The 'lectro box", (oct25, 1943-feb5, 1944), we can see Minnie's unnamed
aunt in a portrait. Scans welcome
Scans of Jonathan Tobias Mouse, Mickey's ancestor from 1763, and of his
birth certificate welcome.
Mickey's ancestors in a gag-a-day strip from oct1,1945 (long John, Dick and
Tex)
Ij rich's pages, I have heard about a Manfred, and a Maisie, could someone
provide scans?
Is Matilda Mouse Cousin Digger's daughter or Digger's niece?? (I saw this
character in Eta-Beta's old elatives section
In a mickey Poche (#151, from 1986) are two li'l strips from 1961 with a
li'l mouse girl raised at Mickey's is she Maisie or another (she has a hair)
I already have 50 other characters in the tree !!!
thanks, Gilles