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Stefan:
>The Swedish cover was cut so that the K and part of the
>C in that dedication were lost. Is it fully readable in the other versions?

In Finnish version it is. After 'K' there would still be space for
two letters.

--
Ari Seppi (ari.seppi at iki.fi)
http://www.iki.fi/mani/
Winnie the Pooh is my great guru.

"Fluks, H.W." <H.W.Fluks at kpn.com> skrev:

>> Well people still distinguish between serious
>> politicians, scientists, historians, etc. and
>> other people without insulting anyone.
>
> But your distinction is different. Saying "Most
> serious Donaldists only consider Barks (and Rosa)"
> is at the same level as "Most serious literature
> analysts do not consider comics".

You're right. It often seems that literature have to
be a bit boring to be considered by "serious"
literature analysts. Why do you think Astrid Lindgren
never got a Nobel Literature Price? It was beacause
she wrote for children. Anyway even "experts" doesn't
have monopoly on the truth so you don't need to agree
with them to be seen as serious.

> If you want to define a term like "serious
> Donaldist", I want to be called a serious
> Donaldist.

Of course you are, you're the man behind the great
Bolderbast pages!

>> In the cover of the last DD&Co (19/2000)
>
> Did they stop 2 years ago? 8-)

Oh sorry! I meant 2002...

>>> But please don't tell other people that
>>> that's the *only* "serious" (?) way to go.
>>
>> And I didn't do that...
>
> Technically, no. But writing "most serious
> Donaldists do X" strongly suggests "anyone
> not doing X is not a serious Donaldist".
>
> My only point is that there's more in Disney
> comics than just Barks and Rosa.

I have no problems with that. I've got all 256 Donald
Duck Pockets published in Norway so far, and that's
Italian stuff, off various quality.

Best regards from
Sigvald :-)

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I, too, had planned to write a report about Torino Comics and Don's meeting
with his fans. However, I'm too busy these days, so I'm afraid I'll have to
give up... there's one question I'd like to ask, anyway.

Here it goes: Don, when you were asked whether you preferred writing long
adventure stories or short "gag" ones, your answer went something like
"Gag-basedstories are very difficult to build; you need a very good basic
idea, from which you must obtain a continuous flow of gags for 10 - 12 pages
in a row. I myself feel I've managed to do that in a satisfactory way only
three times so far". (The lady didn't translate the part about the three
stories, so correct me if I've understood wrong!)

The obvious question is: which are those three stories? We've had a bit of
guessing on the Italian mailing list, and we're curious to see if your
personal taste coincides with ours ;-)

Ciao,
Armando

In a message dated 5/10/02 12:51:23 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
dcml-request at stp.ling.uu.se writes:

> I just found this out on ebay and was wondering if anyone has an idea of =
> what those amazing pages could be :
>
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3D2101993493

without more information about the two pages, it's a little difficult to say
for certain, but one possibility is that they are pages done by a colorist as
part of the production of a comic book or comic magazine. the artist draws
the original pages in black and white, which are then photocopied and colored
before being sent to the printer.

like much other original comic book work, hand coloring is going the way of
hand lettering, being done with a computer instead.

don't know if this is correct, but it's one possibility to explain what the
pages are.

regards.

Didier wrote:
> I just found this out on ebay and was wondering if anyone has an idea of
what those amazing pages could be:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3D2101993493
Have they been printed in one of the Mickey Mouse Annuals ?

The first four Mickey Mouse Annuals (1930 - 1933) have been very carefully
indexed by David Gerstein, and the two items shown on eBay do not appear
there; however, the one titled "Surprising!" has been reprinted in Italy, in
issue #147 of "Topolino Giornale". TG 147 was published on October 20, 1935,
so the item might have been originally included in the 1934 Annual - but
that's just a guess, of course...

Ciao,
Armando

> It's funny, that those three persons are always mentioned, considering
> that we have plenty of newer and IMO more skilled artists around. I
> think it was Ole, who once asked why Barks is called "Den Gode Tegner"
> (=the good drawer) in Denmark. He certainly--in his drawings--is
> surpassed by another CB, namely Carl Buettner. And in fact, I find e.g.
> Strobl's art in the 60s much more interesting and dynamic than Barks'
> art during that same period.
I think, that Barks' art is very different in each story - for example "Chirstmas on Bearmountain" is very different from "Statue spechifi... (i don't know, how to write that word! =))" - and "The lives and times of Scrooge McDuck" is drawn in a totally other style than "Gyro's first invention"! I think that Barks?stories was best in the beginning of the 50s - some will not agree in that, and THAT will just confirm, that the is a so big style-diffence is his (and many others) drawings - THAT thing will do, that the "m?lgruppe" will be larger, and i think thats why there is so many that likes him - because of that, and because of his GREAT, and i mean GREAT, stories! =)

> As for Don, he certainly is a splendid story teller spiced up with so
> much humour, a bit too strict and conscise in certain places, but
> that's his style apparently. However, the art itself...hmmm...can't say
> I dislike it, but clearly it doesn't come fluently and as natural as
> with
I like Rosa's drawings in "The lives and times of Scrooge McDuck" but not in the new story, "Gyro's first invention" - the drawings in "Gyro's first invention" looks so poor to me!

> What I notice, while reading less good stories, is that most artists
> seem to have left the original cartoon background completely. A duck is
> now a character with both feet safely placed on the ground, perhaps one
> arm is lifted a little bit to show a gesture or whatever, the eyes may
> show a bit of anger etc..., but hey, where is the dynamic?! Who can
> draw a duck that runs (and I really mean RUN) nowadays? Who can draw a
> Donald sighing over his greedy uncle, without making him look like
> Garfield not having his morning coffee served properly? Nah.
Agreed!!!!

/Jacob Berget
http://www.donaldisten.dk

----- Original Message -----
From: "S?ren Krarup Olesen" <sko at acoustics.dk>
To: "Disney Comics Mailing List" <dcml at stp.ling.uu.se>
Sent: Saturday, May 11, 2002 1:15 AM
Subject: Re: Why are you so popular ?

> On Friday 10 May 2002 21:07, 99E wrote:
>
> > -And I agree. No doubt, Don Rosa is a great storyteller. As long as
> > it comes to longer adventurestories - Barks, Rosa and Rota are, IMHO,
> > the greatest tellers... Lots of other folk write great scripts for
> > shorter stories - but not as consistently as the three mentioned
> > above.
>
> It's funny, that those three persons are always mentioned, considering
> that we have plenty of newer and IMO more skilled artists around. I
> think it was Ole, who once asked why Barks is called "Den Gode Tegner"
> (=the good drawer) in Denmark. He certainly--in his drawings--is
> surpassed by another CB, namely Carl Buettner. And in fact, I find e.g.
> Strobl's art in the 60s much more interesting and dynamic than Barks'
> art during that same period.
>
> As for Don, he certainly is a splendid story teller spiced up with so
> much humour, a bit too strict and conscise in certain places, but
> that's his style apparently. However, the art itself...hmmm...can't say
> I dislike it, but clearly it doesn't come fluently and as natural as
> with
>
> Rota, who is (in comparison to other Italians) a "mid-range" artist but
> nevertheless with a very personal style, that fits the universe
> perfectly. Still, I've often wondered why Rota would go be so popular.
> His stories are not *that* interesting (not in comparison with Don's
> anyway). Most of Rota's panels are sort of isolated "events" - each of
> them being brilliantly drawn, but that doesn't necessarily make a
> "fluent" (yes, that word again) story.
>
> What I notice, while reading less good stories, is that most artists
> seem to have left the original cartoon background completely. A duck is
> now a character with both feet safely placed on the ground, perhaps one
> arm is lifted a little bit to show a gesture or whatever, the eyes may
> show a bit of anger etc..., but hey, where is the dynamic?! Who can
> draw a duck that runs (and I really mean RUN) nowadays? Who can draw a
> Donald sighing over his greedy uncle, without making him look like
> Garfield not having his morning coffee served properly? Nah.
>
> S?ren
>
>
>

This month seems to be a Dutch Rosa-month. An overview:

1. DONALD DUCK EXTRA number 5 has the "BB versus the money bin" story. Below
both circles in the opening panel the text "Made up by Carl Barks" is shown.
I'm not sure that everyone will understand that not the *story*, but the
*main characters* were made up by Barks.

As I wrote before, they *do* use the two blueprint pages, to my surprise. I
saw a few minor mistakes ("F.J.Drake" on one page, "F.L. Drake" on the
other), but apart from the big euro-sign, the translations seems to be OK.
It includes "Dr. D. Shane" and "Keno Rosa BV, Louisville".

Page 13 has the text "Footnote: this intersection drawing is not completely
worked out, for the overview (but mainly because the artist was too LAZY for
it)". Does this reflect the original text? (To me it looks like an apology
that the panel does not match with the blueprints...)

2. A new album in the series OOM DAGOBERT, number 67. This time its title is
"The life story of US" again, like in the first Rosa albums. That's because
they reprint the "Hearts of the Yukon" story (D 95044).

This is the first time that a Dutch "Life of Scrooge" album was not backed
up with LoS stories. The backup stories are normal Duck stories (but still
by Rosa, so some people might object to the word "normal" 8-).

Between page 8 and 9 of the Yukon story, there is a page with an explanation
that Rosa continues to make LoS stories. The page also has a photograph of
Jack London.

And then there's another editorial page, where the Dutch try to put all the
LoS stories in the right order. This is their order:
Chapter 1
Chapter 1-B, Ducks and Dimes and Destinies (they apparently didn't like the
term "chapter 0")
Chapter 2
Chapter 3
Chapter 3-B, Cutty Sark
Chapter 4
Chapter 5
Chapter 6
Chapter 6-B, the Buffalo Bill story (will appear in the next OOM DAGOBERT
album)
Chapter 6-C, Lost Dutchman's mine
Chapter 7
Chapter 8
Chapter 8-B, Hearts of the Yukon
Chapter 8-C, Last Sled to Dawson
Chapter 9
Chapter 10
Chapter 11
Chapter 12

3. Yet again, there will be a "mini-album" in the Dutch weekly DONALD DUCK.
It contains the Crusader King story, in 2 parts. First part is next week
(week 21). Too bad that the printing will be smaller than normal again, just
like the Cutty Sark story. But maybe they'll reprint it later in an OOM
DAGOBERT album...

--Harry.