Hi,
First, the on topic message :
www.ebay.disney.com is now selling a big range of original Disney comic book art from Brazil. Full stories are on sale till next week if anyone is interested.
Now for the off topic subject :
Alessandro : Thanks for your congratulations on the publication of my book about Disneyland Paris. I know some of you are also fans of Disney parks, so if you want more information on this art book about the Creation of Disneyland Paris, you can check www.dlpbook.com
Apologies for this shamefull self-promotion but I was not the one who started it :-)
Didier
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Didier Ghez
On-topic and off-topic
Message 286 -
2002-05-31 at 15:53:30
H.W.Fluks
Dutch [rather OT]
Message 287 -
2002-05-31 at 17:48:49
Robert Gibson:
> 1. So why are people called "Dutch" who are from "Holland" /
> "The Netherlands"? Why are they
> not called "Hollanders" or "Netherlanders"
Blame the English for that. We call ourselves Hollanders or Nederlanders.
The English decided to call us Dutch, which (like "Deutsch") actually just
means "people". Very confusing (see terms like "The Lost Dutchman's Mine"
and "Pennsylvania Dutch", both referring to *Germans*, not Dutch).
Apparently, peoples call other peoples by a name they like. The Germans, who
call themselves Deutsch, are called Allemand by the French. And the Italians
call them Tedeschi (as I experienced this week, when someone in Rome thought
I was a German).
To go even more off-topic: the European Union has a law (or recommendation)
that all countries should refer to cities in other countries in a way that
the country itself does. For instance on road signs: 10 kilometers from
Amsterdam, you find a sign telling the distance to "London" and "Paris" (not
"Londen"/"Parijs" as we call these cities in Holland). And another sign
shows "K?benhavn" and "Berlin".
If everyone would follow that rule, there would be much less confusion...
(When we flew from Amsterdam to Rome this week, the Italian hostess
announced that we flew over Monaco. It took me some time before I realised
that Monaco is the Italian name for M?nchen [Munich]. I wonder how the
Italians call the country Monaco, on the south border of France?)
Back to the mice and ducks...
--Harry.
(Try finding out the real names of: Aix-la-Chapelle, Rijssel, Mailand,
Flushing, Pressburg, Genf, Apenrade, Tr?ves, Rz?m, L?ttich, etc. etc...)
> 1. So why are people called "Dutch" who are from "Holland" /
> "The Netherlands"? Why are they
> not called "Hollanders" or "Netherlanders"
Blame the English for that. We call ourselves Hollanders or Nederlanders.
The English decided to call us Dutch, which (like "Deutsch") actually just
means "people". Very confusing (see terms like "The Lost Dutchman's Mine"
and "Pennsylvania Dutch", both referring to *Germans*, not Dutch).
Apparently, peoples call other peoples by a name they like. The Germans, who
call themselves Deutsch, are called Allemand by the French. And the Italians
call them Tedeschi (as I experienced this week, when someone in Rome thought
I was a German).
To go even more off-topic: the European Union has a law (or recommendation)
that all countries should refer to cities in other countries in a way that
the country itself does. For instance on road signs: 10 kilometers from
Amsterdam, you find a sign telling the distance to "London" and "Paris" (not
"Londen"/"Parijs" as we call these cities in Holland). And another sign
shows "K?benhavn" and "Berlin".
If everyone would follow that rule, there would be much less confusion...
(When we flew from Amsterdam to Rome this week, the Italian hostess
announced that we flew over Monaco. It took me some time before I realised
that Monaco is the Italian name for M?nchen [Munich]. I wonder how the
Italians call the country Monaco, on the south border of France?)
Back to the mice and ducks...
--Harry.
(Try finding out the real names of: Aix-la-Chapelle, Rijssel, Mailand,
Flushing, Pressburg, Genf, Apenrade, Tr?ves, Rz?m, L?ttich, etc. etc...)
Arne Voigtmann
Cover of "Vacation Parade 2"
Message 288 -
2002-05-31 at 20:34:14
Claudio Eckert schrieb am Donnerstag, 30. Mai 2002 um 16:44:
> Frank Bubacz wrote:
>>I've come across the cover of VP2 recently, which can be
>>seen here: http://eega.net/covers/pag_us/pp.html
>>I am sure that I saw this drawing a long time ago,
>>when I was a kid.
> I finally found it!!!
> Well, not exactly the same picture but a redrawn version. (Strange, why
> didn't they used the original?)
> It was published in German Micky Maus No. 51 and 52 / 1976 in two parts. One
> issue later (No. 1 / 1977) there was a new "Schnipp-Liste" (things you cold
> order after having collected some "schnipp"-coupons). The poster was
> awaylable for 6 coupons then.
> I've made some scans. Look at -> http://www.seite42.de/parade.htm
> (might take a time to load the pictures)
> Claudio
I am 100 % sure that I have seen a black and white version of this
cover somewhere else in a German Disney magazine, but I still cannot
remember when and where.
--
Arne Voigtmann
> Frank Bubacz wrote:
>>I've come across the cover of VP2 recently, which can be
>>seen here: http://eega.net/covers/pag_us/pp.html
>>I am sure that I saw this drawing a long time ago,
>>when I was a kid.
> I finally found it!!!
> Well, not exactly the same picture but a redrawn version. (Strange, why
> didn't they used the original?)
> It was published in German Micky Maus No. 51 and 52 / 1976 in two parts. One
> issue later (No. 1 / 1977) there was a new "Schnipp-Liste" (things you cold
> order after having collected some "schnipp"-coupons). The poster was
> awaylable for 6 coupons then.
> I've made some scans. Look at -> http://www.seite42.de/parade.htm
> (might take a time to load the pictures)
> Claudio
I am 100 % sure that I have seen a black and white version of this
cover somewhere else in a German Disney magazine, but I still cannot
remember when and where.
--
Arne Voigtmann
UNDBKB
In Dutch
Message 289 -
2002-05-31 at 20:34:38
>
> >> In a panel Donald
>> says "Oh-boy-oh-boy! Am I in Dutch with uncle Amos?". This sentence really
>> puzzled me; what does it means?
>
> "In Dutch" is what an American would call an idiom.
> an idiom is a phrase when taken literally really does not make much sense.
>
> This phrase basically means "I am in trouble" with Uncle Amos.
> Other such phrases could be "in the dog house" or "in hot water"
> all 3 really mean "in trouble"
> The word Dutch is also used in other American idioms. The example that
> comes to mind is when 2 people go to a restaurant and each pays for their
> own meal
> its is called "going Dutch" I do not know the origin of these phrases, but
> I could find out if you are interested.
> There are many such phrases in the English language and they are common to
> Americans, but always confusing to Second language learners.
> I know Don Rosa tries to avoid them in stories because they do not usually
> translate well.
> I hope this Helps.
> Barry Branvold
> >> In a panel Donald
>> says "Oh-boy-oh-boy! Am I in Dutch with uncle Amos?". This sentence really
>> puzzled me; what does it means?
>
> "In Dutch" is what an American would call an idiom.
> an idiom is a phrase when taken literally really does not make much sense.
>
> This phrase basically means "I am in trouble" with Uncle Amos.
> Other such phrases could be "in the dog house" or "in hot water"
> all 3 really mean "in trouble"
> The word Dutch is also used in other American idioms. The example that
> comes to mind is when 2 people go to a restaurant and each pays for their
> own meal
> its is called "going Dutch" I do not know the origin of these phrases, but
> I could find out if you are interested.
> There are many such phrases in the English language and they are common to
> Americans, but always confusing to Second language learners.
> I know Don Rosa tries to avoid them in stories because they do not usually
> translate well.
> I hope this Helps.
> Barry Branvold
Michael Schartau
In Dutch
Message 290 -
2002-05-31 at 21:06:28
>The word Dutch is also used in other American idioms. The example that
comes to mind is when 2 people go to a restaurant >and each pays for their
own meal
>its is called "going Dutch" I do not know the origin of these phrases, but
I could find out if you are interested.
I think it is called Dutch treat in English English.
Michael
comes to mind is when 2 people go to a restaurant >and each pays for their
own meal
>its is called "going Dutch" I do not know the origin of these phrases, but
I could find out if you are interested.
I think it is called Dutch treat in English English.
Michael
Frank Bubacz
Always that VP2 Cover
Message 291 -
2002-05-31 at 21:40:49
To Claudio
Interesting discovery, clearly influenced by the VP2 cover, but still not
what I'm loking for! BTW Your new site http://www.seite42.de
is cute! I hope you'll have that Mississippi-Dampfer/steamer complete
soon... As a child it was too complicated to build for me and I got quite
frustrated. Maybe I get the chance now to try it again...
To Arne
To which of the two covers/posters/drawings are you referring? I myself am
sure that a coloured version of the "original version" has been published in
Germany in any Disney mag (MM being the best guess). I can exactly remember
Ede (Zeke) Wolf trying to grab that ugly duckling in colour. In the other
version he's playing the tuba or whatever it is.
Greetings, Frank
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Interesting discovery, clearly influenced by the VP2 cover, but still not
what I'm loking for! BTW Your new site http://www.seite42.de
is cute! I hope you'll have that Mississippi-Dampfer/steamer complete
soon... As a child it was too complicated to build for me and I got quite
frustrated. Maybe I get the chance now to try it again...
To Arne
To which of the two covers/posters/drawings are you referring? I myself am
sure that a coloured version of the "original version" has been published in
Germany in any Disney mag (MM being the best guess). I can exactly remember
Ede (Zeke) Wolf trying to grab that ugly duckling in colour. In the other
version he's playing the tuba or whatever it is.
Greetings, Frank
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