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From: "Anders Christian Siveb¾k" <anders_sivebaek at nns.dk>
>>>As we tell on the duckhunt page on upcoming stories we're proud that our
friend and fellow duckhunter Sigvald gave Don the idea for this story.

Awk! When I added a note about that story to yesterday's ML submission, one
reason I did so was to again remind folks of Sigvald Gr?sfjeld's
contribution to that story. Sorry! Yes, it was his idea to combine the
"Christmas for Shacktown" sequel with the "Gyro's 50th" story, and his idea
to... well, as to what "Gyro's First Success" was and how it would fit into
the plot.

From: "Francesco Spreafico" <frspreaf at tin.it>
>>>After the conference there was antoher sketch session, this time (On
Don's "orders" we've been told) with no "pre-sale" tickets... tickets
were given at the begininning of the session, so it worked out much
better and I got my sketch after a while

Yeah, the people manning that booth made several errors in how to handle the
lines, and they've done this before so I'm puzzled as to why they still
didn't know how to run such things. Want an insight into how I've learned to
operate after 15 years of fan drawings?
When I do drawings for a crowd, doing the drawings is the *easy* part... my
adrenaline will keep me going for 3 or 4 hours nonstop as we did at each
session in Torino, and even much longer such as I've done elsewhere. The
trick is how to make sure everyone gets *something* and how to be fair to
everyone in the process. At Torino they gave numbered tickets to people,
which is very good since they don't need to stand in line thereafter, and
can either form a "loose mob" to see what's going on, or just go off and
come back later. Nothing worries me like seeing a long queue in front of me
waiting in discomfort while I draw as fast as my lil' fingers will move. I
estimated how many drawings I could do in the time I had, then they'd give
out that many tickets... I would never have time to do the number of
drawings I'd estimated, but I could always stay until I'd get them done by
extending the session for another hour or so since, well, that's the reason
I'm there... not to go sightseeing. (And anyone left over at the end when
time is running out gets autographs, as many as they wish.)
But the first day after they stopped giving out tickets I noticed one of the
booth people making a list of names and I asked what she was doing -- turns
out she was giving out tickets for the NEXT day's session! This is obviously
grossly unfair to the people who won't even show up until the next day! She
would have filled the next day's entire list! I stopped it, but I was
naturally obligated to still start the next day's session with those people
to whom she had already promised drawings (since to refuse what they had
been promised would also be unfair to them as it wasn't their error).
Then the next day they started giving out the tickets 15-20 minutes BEFORE
the session was scheduled, and the 40 or 50 tickets were gone instantly.
This is obviously unfair to the people who did not show up until when the
session was scheduled. So I stopped that method as well.
I say this to express how the main difficulty is how to be fair to
everyone... but it's really impossible. When so many nice people want
drawings, and when I'm only human, I can't do as many drawings as people
want even if I wish I could. I can only find the way to be the least UNfair.
Another way I deal with it is to also only do sessions during the last 3 or
4 hours of the show each day... that way I can keep doing drawings as long
as people want them until they are chased out by the convention center
guards. I just don't have the courage to stop doing drawings as long as
someone still wants one, so I let the clock be my savior.

From: "Fernando Ventura" <fernandopventura at uol.com.br>
>>>Ok, and Don did the Fethry's he's asked to do or not? ;-)
I presume he didn't!!!

You presume wrong. I would first make sure that the person knew that Fethry
did not exist in my "Universe" and that I would need a reference to know how
to draw him, but if the person still wanted a Fethry, I would give it a
shot. I think I drew the second and third Fethry's I've ever drawn there in
Torino (the first was on that Duck Family Tree poster 10+ years ago).
The only time I refuse ("decline") to do a drawing for someone is when they
want Donald or $crooge or someone "dressed as Wolverine" or "dressed as a
Green Bay Packer football player" (this sort of @#$&% only happens at
American shows, of course). I'll simply tell the person that I'm there to
draw pictures for Donald Duck or Uncle Scrooge fans, not Wolverine fans or
Green Bay Packer fans, and that if they want a drawing, they'll get Donald
as Donald or Scrooge as Scrooge or nothing. And then there are the Americans
who think "it's all about THEM", and that everything is unfair just to THEM.
But I can always refuse to draw for these types just because I don't like
their attitude... after all, I'm no one's slave or even employee, I can do
whatever I wish.

>>>>If I was there probably I'll ask a Jos? Carioca! :-)

That would have been fun!
What I dread are the people who ask for Magica because of all that jet black
hair! That takes time, slows me down! But it's a fair choice and that's what
they get if that's what they want.
My favorite drawings to do? Surely you know! Runner up is $crooge in the
Yukon. But my favorite is Glittering Goldie! (Who, by the way, is in the
story I should be completing and sending off in just a few days... in that
story I create an "alternate version" of what could have happened at the end
of "Hearts of the Yukon".)

For Kriton: Barks, himself, showed a diagram of the Money Bin, in which,
several levels contained different items. To wit: cash money, diamonds, star
sapphires. I imagine that there were separate rooms for money sacks and piles
of paper money, gold bullion (bars of ingots), coins of varying nations. Do you
think he mixed the coins from all nations up into one room? (That is also
possible). I think the famous Balonian nickel may have come from the general
purpose upper level (money diving room) with the large piles of coins and few
bills. Let us not forget WDC Nr. 138, which showed the top level of the Bin
(which was entered from his office and was the normal view of the "Money Bin"
which we were able to see) was only Scrooge's petty cash safe (room).
The "real" bin coin and currency area was below.

Not being held to any ONE of Barks' varied scenarios on this subject, nor
Rosa's, nor MINE, nor anyone else's, I assume(for the least defined
definition), that there were several different layers, or rooms in the Bin,
which contained different species of monetary items. I believe there were
probably some stray gold coins in the "petty cash room", before sorting
occurred (probably by that inneficiant slacker, Donald); and, that some stray
gold coins found their way (through Donald's incompetence) into the main coin
Bin section. But, I believe that Scrooge got the allergic reaction to the gold
dust from swimming in his gold coin room. However, if this is assumed, I then
have another problem. Scrooge did say that the situation of the allergy was a
disaster because he couldn't swim in his "money" any more. That implies that
his coins were all in ONE room. If the non-gold coins were separatedfrom the
gold, he could still swim in the former. It must be that at least some of the
gold coins are mixed in with the others; and, possibly, much gold dust is
swimming around with them, having been scraped off the many stray gold coins
which have been in that room at various times. all coin rooms should have some
gold dust. I'll be interested to read what Don has to say. I am shocked that
I am taking time away from my endless work to write in such detail about such a
minor point.

Rob Klein

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Well...

> Maybe Don can answer this, or another artist who might be on the list:
>
> How do you feel when you see a drawing you have done for a "fan" end up on
> EBAY selling for $$$ ?

Not so "confortable", for what concern myself. When in Torino Comics (Don
doesn't know it), both me and Luciano Gatto found two drawings by us (mine
was made in Aug. 1988, I still remember when and where) sold at a stand in
the Fair. Since we gave both 'em to friends for nothing,il looks a little
bit strange to see that the retailer wish to sell them for a lot of euros...
And I can't do a thing for having mine back!

Luca

Hi, everybody!

I have finally done what I probably should have done
years ago, I have joined the DCML! I now look very
much forward to be a part of this great "community"
for Disney Comics fans!

And now my first question in here:
In Scandinavia the original $ on the wall of Scrooges
Money Bin is replaced with the letters KR (a
shortening for kroner/kronor = NOK, DKK and SEK) and
kroner/kronor is the the currency in Andeby/Ankeborg.
How is this in countries (like Germany, France, Italy,
Netherlands, Finland, Greece and Spain) which changed
their currency into Euro from January 1st 2002, has
the Eurosign now replaced the old symbol/shortening on
the wall of Scrooges Money Bin as well? And is Euro
now currency in Entenhausen, Donaldville, Paperopoli,
Duckstad, Ankkalinna, etc.?

Best regards from
Sigvald Gr?sfjeld jr. (Norway)

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ROB:

> I am shocked that I am taking time
> away from my endless work to write in such detail about such a minor point.

Isn't this part of the fun of being a DCML member?

Kriton (e-mail: kyrimis at cti.gr)
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On Sat, 4 May 2002, Apostolis Trikourakis wrote:

> Well, in Greece, Duckburg (Limnoupoli in Greek) is
> situated in Calisota, USA. So, Duckburgians are still
> using the dollar as their currency. They never used
> Drachma or Euro.
> The sign of the Bin in Greece is the dollar $, not

Funny, although I've been a member of DCML for ~3 years now, I only
recently learned this and other facts about Greek Disney-comics. They seem
to be somewhat special among European publications - the only ones(?) that
are not even partly localized. Also the names of the characters seem
almost funny, the way they are translated to sound like their English
equivalents.
This leads me to a question: who reads the Greek comics?-) I mean, are
they profiled towards an older audience than for example the Scandinavian
magazines are? Dollars, English names etc. would lead me to think so :)

-jussi
--
. jussi mantere
. http://www.iki.fi/obs/
. mister, i ain't no boy, no i'm a man
.. and i believe in the promised land

Hi all

Jussi wrote:

> Funny, although I've been a member of DCML for ~3
> years now, I only
> recently learned this and other facts about Greek
> Disney-comics. They seem
> to be somewhat special among European publications -
> the only ones(?) that
> are not even partly localized.

Well, yes, Disney comics are not localized here in
Greece. Only a few names have been translated into
Greek, like Duckburg (Limnoupoli). All the other names
are exactly the same. And that's better, in my
opinion. Donald is named Donald, not Paperino or
Anders for example. Why we have to change his name?
And Scrooge is living in USA, not Greece or somewhere
in Europe. So, he's using dollars, not Euros.

Disney Comics are very popular here. The word "Mickey
Mouse" is linked with the word "comics"! The Greeks
are often saying "are you reading Mickey Mouse",
meaning "are you reading comics?". The weekly Mickey
Mouse magazine is the oldest Greek magazine, since
'66! And there is no Greek who hasn't read a disney
magazine, at least once! Mickey and Donald are very
popular. The Greek "Disney Club" TV show is also very
popular, reaching the 10 years on air :-)

And also don't forget that the best Disney magazine in
the world is the Greek Komix, a very special
collective magazine mostly for adults because of the
very special articles and stories.

> This leads me to a question: who reads the Greek
> comics?-)

All kind of ages are reading Disney comics, from the
age of 4-5 to 60+! :-)
The kids are learning how to read mostly from the
Disney comics! Even me! My mother was reading me the
stories and I learned how to read from the age of 4!
Best Wishes

=====
Apostolis Trikourakis, Athens, Greece
E-mail: komixgreekpage at yahoo.com
Web Site: http://www.geocities.com/komixgreekpage

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> From: bi442 at lafn.org (Rob Klein)
> I'll be interested to read what Don has to say.

About the color of the coins in $crooge's Bin?! Oh, please, I've said all I
can say about that subject the other two or three times it has come up.

> From: jgarvin <jgarvin at bendcable.com>
> Maybe Don can answer this, or another artist who might be on the list:
> How do you feel when you see a drawing you have done for a "fan" end up on
EBAY selling for $$$ ?

Well, I see every single item that appears on eBay that has my name anywhere
in the title or auction item description... and of all the many many
hundreds of drawings I've done for fans for the past 15 years, very few are
sold on eBay, relatively speaking. Virtually none that I do for Europeans
ever appear on eBay.... now and then just a few go on sale from Germany, but
not many.
The ones I have done at American conventions I have always charged a modest
amount for. Well, not at first, I did them for free at first back around
1988... but America is a totally different culture than Europe. Americans
take too great an advantage of "free", and I also noticed that I irritated
the other American artists who always charged for their drawings. So I
started charging a modest amount but I wanted to make sure I did an extra
good job if I was getting paid, so I would take time and do the drawings in
full color. (Besides, I'd have extra time since not that many Americans are
interested in what I do.) And most of the $ would go to a wildlife charity
(though I would certainly buy dinner at the hotel with a bit of it!). So, I
could have no real objection if someone decided to sell what I sold to them.
After all, I realized that in America many of the people asking for a
drawing had no idea who I was or what I did, but they wanted a drawing
because they knew that a Di$ney drawing was "collectible"!
But, yeah, when I first got onto eBay and saw that some of these people were
taking the drawings that I did for them for $30 and *immediately* putting
them on eBay and getting a quick $400-800, that seemed a *bit* disturbing to
me. *I* could use that kind of money... working on Disney comics is not a
high paying livelihood. "How I felt" was that I was done drawing pictures at
American conventions... the few bad apples ruin it for everyone... but I
would continue to do free drawings at European conventions where I can
virtually always be sure that everyone who requests a drawing does so
because they know and love the characters and know my work. When I'm at a
European convention, it's like being at an American comic convention of
1968... a whole different philosophy of life! Americans would just get
autographs. Yes, they put those on eBay for sale, too... but they wouldn't
get so much, and it was not a matter of giving them a huge profit at the
expense of my 30-45 minutes of pretty intense effort (drawing is not
something that comes really easy to me, as the stiffness of my work can
attest).
I mean, let me give you an idea about Americans and eBay... when I attended
American conventions, I would carry with me stacks of new Egmont comics that
the publishers send me (Norway, Sweden, Denmark, etc.) and give them away
free to kiddies. When I started getting on eBay, I saw that right after such
conventions, people were putting those brand new Egmont weeklies onto eBay
for $5-10 each (!!!), not to mention taking the free toys out of the bags
and selling those on eBay separately for a similar amount.