Keskustelujen arkisto

While checking out the CNN Web site for that story on prospecting
in the asteroid belt, you might want to check out another story
there which should be dear to the hearts of Scrooge fans. It's
about the tourist season in Scagway and Dawson, where a throng
of travelers come to see the gold fields, and a sort of Disney-
land atmosphere has grown up to replace the "real thing". See
http://www.cnn.com/TRAVEL/NEWS/9709/10/tourist.rush.ap/

Wilmer Rivers

OTA:
>Now please someone tell me the name of that toon that is the story
>of two hats -- I think it was included in Melody Time or so. My
>memory is not so good as before!

It was called "Johnny Fedora and Alice Blue Bonnet" and a segment
from 1946's "Make Mine Music"... (a very good segment I might add).

>Well back to Disney -- just ask any child which characters belong to
>which universe ordimension and they will tell you...[snip]

I agree.

>Well... Cinderella's mice in Grandma Duck's farm is an invention of
>Western Printing. But Figaro and Cleo appearing as pets in the Mickey
>Universe was indeed an invention of the old Disney. If memory Figaro
>and Cleo doesn't betrays me again,. I think I saw a toon in which are
>pets of Minnie Mouse. Am I wrong?

Cleo was never clearly established as Minnie's pet Goldfish, she only
co-starred with Figaro in the short ""Figaro and Cleo" along with the
very un-PC character of "Mammy Twoshoes" (a.k.a. Aunt Delilah). But
since Mammy does show up in at least one Pluto short it might be
assumed that since Figaro IS clearly established as Minnie's, Cleo
might be. For some reason I don't think Figaro's presence in future
Disney comics "as Minnie's Pet" would pose as much of a complication
as "Gus & Jaq" do. The primary difference being that the cartoons
firmly established Figaro as residing with Minnie (Post-Pinocchio).
The question of Mim's situation seems to be only a fact in non-USA
comics, otherwise I would think she is relatively treated the same as
any guest appearance by a "movie" character (i.e., Cap'n Hook, Jiminy,
Tinker Bell, Smee, Pongo & Perdita, etc.).

DONALD MARKSTEIN:
> Does the "unique position" you refer to for Gus and Jaq have
> to do with their being feature characters who crossed over into the
> "world" of the series-cartoon folks? If so, Jiminy Cricket also made
> that transition -- and more thoroughly, as he's guest-starred with
> quite a few characters. If it's the fact that they became regular
> supporting characters, then Madame Mim, from THE SWORD IN
> THE STONE, pretty much qualifies, since she shared a book with
> the Beagle Boys in the '60s. And Figaro, from PINOCCHIO,
> was for a brief time, at least in cartoons, Minnie Mouse's cat.

I would disagree with Jiminy being unique. While he may have exceeded
any "movie" character in his comic book presence I would tend to think
he still only rated as a guest-star, having never really taken up residence
like Guc & Jaq did. Their situation is different. They didn't just guest
star, they actually became residents of Duckburg. I might agree with you
about Mim, though. Her presence was pretty blatant in the Gold Key
run of Beagle Boys books, though her connection to Magica in European
Disney is stronger, they LIVE together... hmmm. (You know, if they
did that in the USA the Southern Baptists would use it as ANOTHER
reason to BAN Disney... but I digress). Again with Figaro, I think
the five or six cartoons in which he starred with Minnie and Pluto I
would think firmly establish his residence as a legitimate resident of
Mouseton. His case is clearly different from Gus & Jaq's. The mice
never starred in a cartoon with anyone other than Cinderella. In my
opinion, Figaro isn't a problem, but Mim & the mice probably are,
despite their "pasts" in Duckburg. The rest were only guest-stars.

> Back then, a Disney character was pretty much just a Disney
> character. They crossed over back and forth, features to Silly
> Symphonies to series characters, even more freely (to say nothing of
> years earlier) than Marvel superheroes. (Did You Know -- The Big
> Bad Wolf was on Mickey Mouse's polo team...)

Yes I did, though BB Wolf and even Toby Tortoise and Max Hare are
from a time when cartoon universes at Disney were blurred, at least
where Silly Symphonies were concern, as in the case with "Mickey's
Polo Team." I hadn't really considered Big Bad and his son or Br'ers
Rabbit, Bear and Fox, since they might actually remain in a seperate
universe from Mickey and Donald without anyone ever noticing, and
Toby & Max have virtually disappeared anyway. Mim, too, could
disappear realatively easily without anyone noticing, but if we visit
Grandma Duck's farm and Jaq & Gus are suddenly gone, it might be
assumed that they have returned to the Cinderella Universe, but their
presence would be noticable. True, Grandma has appeared without
them in the past, but would they now be treated as if a Disney version
of D.C.'s "Zero Hour" occurred and now Gus & Jaq never existed in
Duckburg at all??

ALIPI asks:
>> And who inherit all his fortune? DD? GG? H,D,L?
DON ROSA replied:
>As stated in an old Barks story, $crooge named HD&L as his eventual
>heirs.

Are you referring to the tale where U$ gave Donald, Gladstone and the
Nephews each a thousand dollars to see what they would do with it? If I
remember, Donald squandered it, Gladstone hid it, and the Nephews
invested it in a treasure hunt and as a result of their faith in an old
codger's
dream, they multiplied thier money with their share of the treasure. To
which U$ vowed to name them the heirs to his fortune. I don't recall
the source for that tale. So this is still considered valid? Cool. ;-)

OLE R. NIELSEN:
>RICH taled about crossovers in Disney comics, and I just heard today
>that Egmont Denmark had bought out the only other major comic book
>company in Denmark, Semic-Interpresse. They were doing the super
>dooper comics from Marvel and DC, so now we might see Darkwing Duck
>team up with Batman, or Super-Goof in the showdown of the century
>against Superman (if he's still around). :-)

Well, maybe you'd get to see it, but us here in the USA wouldn't. Of that
I could bet Uncle $crooge's money bin. US license agreements and such
would ban the import of such a printed tale.

On the otherhand, I would settle for a team-up of Super Goof (& Gilly),
with the Red Bat (Fethry), Super Duck (Donald), Plastic Mickey, and
HD&L in their T-Squad personas. And INTRODUCING: Wonder Minnie
and Invisible Daisy.

DWIGHT DECKER:
>But what about today? Could Acclaim do, say, a story in which
>Ariel met Little Madison the Mermaid (seen at the beginning of
>Splash)?

Probably not with Madison, but I could see a meeting between Ariel
and "Bubbles the Water Baby." The Waterbabies from the Silly
Symphonies seemed to be part of the Disney reference material when
they set forth to create Ariel, as was evidenced by their inclusion in
the crowd scenes, and later in the Animated series, though it wasn't
clearly made evident, I think there was a strong inference, so I could
see that. Or why not a meeting between Ariel and the the ones from
Peter Pan's Mermaid Lagoon? Or with Saleen, the evil mermaid
from Aladdin. Now that would be great since Saleen's appearance
is based on the original designs for Ariel (resembling that of a lionfish).

I once wrote a cross-over story where Baby Mickey is visited by Baby
Pegasus from "Fantasia" and is whisked away to the Elysium Fields to
play with the satyrs, cupids and unicorns. A bit on the saccharin side,
but I was telling it to children anyhow. We don't get any of the Disney
Baby comics here in the States so I have to make them up, and
illustrate them myself (except for the ONE "Pete's Pacifier" which
appeared several years ago in WDC&S).

-Rich

-Rich (xephyr)
http://www.jps.net/xephyr/rich/disney.html

Well, I asked this question once before but didn't receive a reply. I
absolutely refuse to believe that nobody on this list has any idea about
this, so I'll try again: are the animated shorts Carl Barks worked on
available on video/laserdisc ?

Eirik Krogh Visted

KRITEN, SUSAN (GARY):
> I passed along your comment about resolving the "young Scrooge hair color"
> situation to Sue, who goes "aw, shucks!" As for your question...no one here
> has any idea. Sorry.

It's possible that young Scrooge normally had brown hair, but the
summer sun burned it golden yellow. That happens to me and now the
"surface" hair is blond but all the hair beneath is (light) brown.

DAN and ALL:
I'm sorry if I offended anyone by comparing modern-day holy
scriptures to fictional stories about the Silmarils and King Arthur court.
I personally think mythology is always based on truth (even the Kalevala,
although noticably less than say, the Bible) and can not say whether there
is some greater mind behind all this or not. Philosophers say that it
would be illogical not to believe in (a) God, because if there isn't one,
it won't harm you to believe in Him, but if there is one, it's a good idea
to be on His side. I hope I didn't offend any more people by this
apology and will try to be more "politically correct" in the future...

ALL:
Per-Erik said:
> Does anyone now WHY the names of the writer's and drawer's aren't

This really hasn't anything to do with Egmont policies, but rather
the word 'drawer'. Is it the correct name for an artist who pencils and
inks? "An artist" is a poor word as writing is an art as well, as is
coloring (hi, Sue!) and many others necessary to make a comic book story.
So, is it okay to call an artist "a drawer"? What about "a chair"?

SCROOGE'S WEALTH:
Isn't there a Barks story (about a magic hour glass) where Scrooge
says that if he keeps losing a billion every minute he'll go broke in 356
(?) years?

Mike - The Finnish Trekkie

Eirik writes that he was surprised that a re-run of the American
situation comedy "ALF" contained a reference to "Huey, Dewey, and
Louie", since he thought the Ducks are pretty much unknowns in the
USA these days. They are, but the catchy rhyming names tend to
stick in people's minds, even if they can't quite place their origin;
I suspect that ALF is not the only person who thinks they are the
names of some of Santa's reindeer! Another use of their names was
in the 1970s Science-Fiction movie "Silent Running" with Bruce
Dern as the sole human aboard a spacecraft with three little
androids (very much like R2D2, although earlier!) who were named
after the Duck triplets.

In a posting a while back, I mentioned that an episode of the
cops/lawyers drama show "Law and Order" also made a reference
to a Duckburg resident. A cop is making a cynical reference
to someone they're interviewing, a physics grad student who had
invented a lot of weird gadgets in the laboratory where the
investugation is being conducted. The cop calls the inventive
student "Gyro Gearloose". So at least a couple of TV screen-
writers have dipped back into their childhood memories of the
Ducks in order to punch up a script! I suspect that in fact a
lot of writers, of screenplays and much else, were first turned
on to the craft of writing by reading the stories of Carl Barks.

Wilmer Rivers

Dwight writes:
> Also, I was trying to think of instances in which
> Disney animated characters met Disney live-action characters
> in the comic books of the 1950s (like, did Captain Hook's ship
> ever run aground on Captain Nemo's submarine?), when the Disney
> Universe was a much smaller and tidier place, but I couldn't think
> of any.

One possibility: did Benjamin Franklin (of the animated "Ben and Me")
ever meet Paul Revere or any of the other patriots (well, "patriots"
in the USA, "traitors/rebels" in the UK, I suppose!) of the live-
action feature "Johnnie Tremayne" (sp.?)? It's been **way** too long
since I read those comics to remember whether Ben even showed up at all,
much less whether he had a mouse in his hat when he did...

Wilmer Rivers

TARJEI:
(moooooaaaaaaaaannnnnnnn...)
I guess you didn't realize that my "A Little Something Special" story has
only been used in Egmont countries, and that everyone on this ML who lives
outside of Scandanavia and Germany has yet to read it. I was pretty pleased
with that story. Yet you just told the entire plot, including all plot
twists, and even included the surprise ending! And I don't even know why
you bothered to do that in a simple time-line, where you should have simply
written "1952 -- $crooge celebrates 50 years in Duckburg", period. What
was the point in doing that? You've broken my poor lil' heart. (sob...)

HD&L first appeared in a Silly Symphonies Sunday on 10/17/37. If they were
born in 1940, was this particular Donald Duck comic strip set in the
future? Just wondering where you got when they were born.

Michael