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DOMINIK:
> When I went to my local Comic Store today and bought the new issue of the
Don
> Rosa Album in Germany, I noticed that they had different dates than the
ones
> that were published in Disney comics Digest V97 #190.
> Here are the dates I got:
> 28. October Mainz - Zap Comics at 10.30 am
> 30. October Koeln - Comic Power in the morning;
> Terminal Entertaiment in the afternoon
> 31. October Ulm - Comic Splash time unkown yet
> Maybe someone can comment on these dates.

May I? My comment is that all I know is what Ehapa told me and that I
reported. They are the folks who make the schedule. I don't know if the fax
they sent me was written later than the text you quote. You'll need to ask
Ehapa.

> By the way does anyone know if Don Rosa is only signing the new comic Box
from
> Ehapa or also all his other comics.

Not me. I sign whatever a Duckfan plops in front of me (as long as I have
work in it). Sometimes, at a convention when I'm at a Ehapa booth, somebody
there will insist that I only sign items just purchased from the booth.
Maybe one of thgese comic shops will have the same rule. As far as I'm
concerned, I'll sign anything you put in front of me since I don't get paid
royalties on German editions (or ANY editions), so I'm just trying to
please Duckfans. But I also seek to obey my hosts and do what they wish.
So, again, the answer to your question would need to come from Ehapa or one
of those comic stores. (And maybe you knew that, so that's why you weren't
asking ME, eh?)

> -Don Rosa: I am looking for a good map from Duckburg maybe you can help
me to
> find one. I need it for my new homepage.

Ah... finally, a question for *me*!
I would never try creating a map of Duckburg... but they just seemed to
have a nice one as a poster in several issues of the DD weeklies in
Scandanavia. I guess they didn't use that in Germany, eh? The German weekly
is currently the only one that seems to have totally different ideas about
everything than the other Egmont DD weeklies.

MICHAEL MANKUS & MATTIAS HALLIN: (re: HD&L's 1940 birthyear)
Thank you, Mattias, for answering Michael's question far better than I
could. Your message will show folks how I (we) put a great deal of thought
into even the tiniest aspects of that Duck Family Tree. I never used only
my own opinion on any of that, as you prove -- yes, you were the guy who
convinced me to change some birthdates around a bit. And you explain all
the inherent problems quite well. I still like all the birth-death dates I
decided on.
Two things to keep in mind: First, these birth-death dates were only in my
private notes... they will never be used in the comic stories... only
implied vaguely. Tarjei must have gotten the dates off a copy of my notes
that he and other people have. Secondly, don't get too bent out of shape
that some of us sit around and worry about the birth-death dates of these
fictitious characters. We do it all in fun... but we do it very *seriously*
all in fun. That's our job as fanboys.

STEVEN:
I have been reading all these messages about what crossovers people want to
see or think should be done or this that or the other in what they call the
Disney Universe. And I'm just trying to stay out of it.
But as it continues on, and you make statements like:
> I have no problem with the Cinderella mice in Grandma Duck's dresser.
Why
> not? If you can accept mice wearing clothes and living with a humanized
> duck, why not mice who used to live with cinderella?
> And hasn't Chip n Dale met with everyone from Scamp to Mad Madam Mim to
> Donald and Mickey? And someone said that that's just Western
> Publishing universe... but then so is Barks just part of the Western
> Publishing universe...

...I just feel compelled to say that this is all fun and a matter of
individual interpretation. But I hope you know that there are some of us...
at least ONE of us... who considers Barks' Universe quite distinct from any
other, even from any other Duck stories, even from other Duck stories he
drew but did not write. ...And also considers all other Disney comic
character universes quite distinct from every other, such that no character
from one animated feature could ever exist in the universe of another
feature... that the very notion is silly and pointlessly complicated. I
just wanted to make sure there are folks like that. They PREFER each
Universe separate. Now.... carry on...

FREDRIK:
> As I remember it U$ did NOT name HDL as his heirs; on the contrary he
> was very upset with them for beleiving in the old man. In the story
> Gladstone is named U$'s heir, but if U$ changed his mind after HDL's
> investment turned out to be a success, it was not shown in the story.

Maybe it wasn't shown in the version of the story that you saw in Finland,
but it was certainly shown in the original! It sounds like the version you
saw either mistranslated the dialogue in the final panels or ended a
half-a-page too early. At the end of the story it is clearly stated that
$crooge DID change his mind and he definitely DID name HD&L his sole heirs.

DOMINIK (again):
> Today I wanted to buy the new issue of the Micky Maus (Micky Mouse)
> I went from one comic store to another and it seemed that all issues wre
already
> sold. Finally I got to know that Ehapa didn't send any issues to freiburg
this
> week. I am not sure if they are availible outside of Freiburg. It is the
first
> time scince I am reding Disney Comics that they seem to some problems at
Ehapa.
> Mabe someone knows something about it! It would be moe than sad if i
could'nt
> get this issue, cause there is a Don Rosa story in it.

Hm. I didn't think one of my stories was supposed to be in print now. But
then, as I said earlier, the German weekly does things differently than the
other Egmont weeklies. Point of fact: I just received from a fan copies of
the German weekly's usage of "A Little Something Special" and I see they
forcefully broke that one-part story up into three parts (which it was
never designed as). This caused them to jumble all the pages in the middle
of the story (their "part 2") so that what I had intended as the top-halves
of pages became the BOTTOM halves of pages, and vice-versa. A great deal of
thought goes into how these pages are constructed, but they ignore that in
those German editions. They also messed up, for no reason I can see, the
intent of the banner on the Coot statue (which makes the story's closing
scene) that the other Egmont weeklies handled correctly. You can still see
that the coloring is correct, with a ghostly "50" where I had placed it...
and another "50" has been added in the wrong spot... so, they actually went
to *extra* effort to get it wrong. But... I see you again did not address
this question to me since you seem to sense that I have no control over any
of these things.

Rich:

All I know is what I've already said, that a Mickey TV series is in the
works. Just passing that along put my well-trained spies deep within the
Disney Skunk Works at serious risk to life, limb and legal liability.

Of course, I wouldn't be surprised if some folks on this ML probably
already know a lot more than I do about this, so if they wish to come
forth...

Gary

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A lot of great subjects the last few Digests!

Rich Bellacera wrote:

<<I can't currently think of any other NON-Mickey/Donald/Goofy related
characters that hold this same status as Gus & Jaq. I think we basically
accept that the reason Mickey and Donald don't run into eachother very often
is because Donald lives in Duckburg and Mickey lives in Mouseton.>>

Has it *ever* been established where Mickey lives? In his seminal
article on Gottfredson, Bill Blackbeard claimed he was said to live in
"Homeville" (but I've never seen that name in a story), and I've seen other
stories where he was said to live in Duckburg! (True, Flintheart Glomgold
sometimes lives in South Africa, sometimes in Scotland, and sometimes in
Duckburg, but I figure he's wealthy enough to own homes in all three places
and more (just as $crooge owns both his home and money bin in Duckburg and
his ancestral castle in Scotland). Mickey is moderately well off after all
those treasure hunts, but not *that* well off. (Though if any of you saw the
recent PEANUTS sequence, Snoopy's brothers Andy (?) and Olaf are *sure*
Mickey is rich, and with the help of their other brother Spike--who knows
him, or claims to--can get them jobs in Hollywood...)

<<Even so, meetings between them are still possible (it just a matter of
logical travelling). However, Gus & Jaq are an anomally in this apparent
universal moratarium (at least in the United States), since they rightfully
belong to the universe of Cinderella, but they have such a we established
existence as residents of Grandma Duck's farm (as does Lucifer the Cat, also
from "Cinderella," though less so). So in this new format which seems to
prevent crossovers, would Gus & Jaq still reside on Grandma Duck's farm,
despite their origin? Sure, it could be presumed that the mice and the cat
are no longer the original critters from "Cinderella," but rather some
alternate
universe dopplegangers, but then they could not longer be sub-titled "The
Cinderella Mice" as they are in most of their reprint stories (both where
they headline and where they co-star with Grandma Duck and Gus Goose). Or
can we expect that they will simply be dropped and treated as if they never
existed from any future "NEW" stories presented in the USA which involve
Grandma Duck's Farm?>>

I always thought that was a curious juxtaposition (especially with both
Grandma's farmhand/adoptive grandson and one of the mice being named Gus).
But I seem to recall Figaro (from "Pinocchio") living with one of the other
cartoon stars (Minnie Mouse, I think), and there was a time when Mad Madam
Mim (from "The Sword in the Stone" was teaming up regularly with the Beagle
Boys. The Li'l Bad Wolf stories often use the Uncle Remus/"Song of the South"
characters (Brer Bear especially), but they very rarely cross over with
Donald or Mickey.

<<Cleo was never clearly established as Minnie's pet Goldfish, she only
co-starred with Figaro in the short ""Figaro and Cleo" along with the very
un-PC character of "Mammy Twoshoes" (a.k.a. Aunt Delilah). But since Mammy
does show up in at least one Pluto short it might be assumed that since
Figaro IS clearly established as Minnie's, Cleo might be.>>

Unless you place that cartoon in the home of Geppetto, who demonstrably
*did* at least once own them both? (Mammy could as easily have worked for him
as for Minnie...)

Wilmer Rivers wrote:

<<One possibility: did Benjamin Franklin (of the animated "Ben and Me") ever
meet Paul Revere or any of the other patriots (well, "patriots" in the USA,
"traitors/rebels" in the UK, I suppose!) of the live-action feature "Johnnie
Tremayne" (sp.?)? It's been **way** too long since I read those comics to
remember whether Ben even showed up at all much less whether he had a mouse
in his hat when he did...>>

Well, real people (like Franklin), and even famous characters of myth
and legend (e.g., Santa Claus, most assuredly real in the Duck/Mouse
universe; has he ever "really" appeared in a live Disney movie? Did Disney do
THE SANTA CLAUSE?) are a special case. I'm sure some of the real-life
characters Don Rosa used in "The Life and Times of $crooge McDuck" (like P.T.
Barnum) were in some Disney movie or other. (Didn't Don use Samuel
Clemens/Mark Twain in the riverboat chapter? He was also in the live Disney
movie MARK TWAIN AND ME, based on the real-life experiences of young Dorothy
Quick.) But that doesn't establish the universes as the same any more than
the historical existence of Franklin and Twain means *we* live in the Disney
universe...

Dwight Decker wrote:

<<Ah well...I remember a back-up story in the '50s Lady & the Tramp Dell
Giant movie adaptation..."Lady in the Enchanted Forest." Within a few pages,
Lady met an astonishing number of characters from previous Disney animated
features, and the story ended with a cute bit of her flapping her ears in
order to fly like Dumbo. Can't do anything like that any more, I guess. (But
even then...I seem to remember that Lady only met characters from previous
Disney movies -- not Donald or Mickey-type characters. If I'm remembering
right, maybe there was a split between movie characters and animated
cartoon/comic-book characters even then?)>>

I doubt it. One of the first Disney comics I ever owned (and still do!
Came across it while housecleaning last year...) was a CHIP & DALE whose lead
story had the chipmunks meeting Dumbo (with the Wicked Queen/Witch from SNOW
WHITE as the villain!). The final story of the same issue had them
interacting with Donald Duck, just as in the cartoons (though no Huey, Dewey
or Louie were in sight).

Mattias Hallin wrote:

<<I sort of assume that your question was to Don Rosa, but I will
nevertheless take the liberty of giving you (and the list) some of my views
on the problem of figuring the HD&L birthdate (and some other related
age-of-certain-ducks problems). The following is two rather long excerpts
from two even longer letters I wrote to Don back in 1992, in which I
(eventually) argue the 1940 birthdate.>>

Barks himself was always vague about their age, and seemed to delight
in throwing in totally contradictory clues as to their age. In one story they
were referred to as being in "kindergarten" (for American kids roughly 5-6),
but the classroom had calculus equations on the board, something I didn't
study till I was 15 (and I was very advanced; most American kids don't learn
it till college, if then). I suspect this was deliberate on his part (keeping
the age vague made it easier for kids of any age to identify with them), but
the Junior Woodchucks themselves probably provide the clearest clue. Often
seen as a riff on the Boy Scouts (boys of--then--12-16), Barks claimed they
were actually based on the Cub Scouts (younger boys aged 8-11); both roughly
the age the Ducklings most often seem to be...

Rich Morrissey

Hi!

This time I'm sending no HTML codes, so it should be readable ;-)

Today a guy named Gary Davenport signed my guest book. He seems to have (or
have had) some relationship to Don Rosa. I don't know if he's on this list.
This is what he wrote:

---- QUOTE -------

Your page is just fine but there is a shadowed side to the man you honor.
He is a noteworthy artist, but his methods of acquiring certain items is
questionable.

Answer the following question or atleast make note of it.
What accredited cartoonist with an overwhelming addiction to The Duck, and
while hosting his own mini-comic-convention at his residence twenty -odd
years ago in Louisville, Kentucky, affluent Eastside) underhandedly
acquired a vintage-Duck Table Lamp (with extreme sentimental value to me,
and to which I have never forgotten) failed to return it and obviously
avoided my periodical attempts of contact for its return??
Could the initials D.R. stand for one or all of the following:

Downright Risktaker
Doublecrossing Rogue
Duck Relish
Duplicit Rabble
or perhaps just plain...
Don Rosa???

`Tis a shame he is a person of talent in more ways than one.
As said...Gone, but not forgotten....my lamp, that is.

---- UNQUOTE -------

Obviously he tried to contact Don to get his beloved lamp back. But
directly to call Don a thief... I'm sure there's a just reason why you,
Don, didn't return it. Then the reason for him contacting me I don't see...
Maybe for others to read his message

Thomas

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Thomas Lauritsen - [(Email removed)]
[http://home6.inet.tele.dk/tpl/]
[http://www.geocities.com/TimesSquare/Realm/1740]

JESS & GARY-

Despite you inability to expound upon any *possible* (wink-wink)
Mickey Mouse series in the works, just know that this is one Mouse
Fan who is tickled Pink (green, lavender or whatever color means
happy) at such a prospect. I just fear that I won't know for a certainty
until sometime next millenium (that is unless the Apocalyse doesn't
happen first ---with all this B.C.E....A.D. talk one never knows... ;-)
Thank you anyhow, and perhaps when time grows nearer and the
mouse no longer resides in the bag we can have an open forum on
the subject.

BTW, Gary, I really appreciate your input and your answers to my
whines about Mickey Mouse... they really help me understand what
is going on... and just how powerless One fan can be. :-( However,
It (and others) have helped me find sources for many of the older
Mickey Mouse tales (especially many of the banned ones)... I have
found stuff that would make the average Mouse fan green with envy
within just the past month!!!! I'm very happy for now, but I'm also
quite hopeful for the Mickey of tomarrow. Reading many of these
older tales makes me aware of why some (though not all) might be
banned from future reprint, especially the WWII stuff, and the
blatantly un-PC references to Black people during the 1940s. I
have, however, run across a curious little fellow named Metropolis
who worked for Goofy's Uncle Giddy's newpaper. He appears in
a small handful of stories, and I think with proper handling he could
be revived in Modern Disney stories. I relly think the name Metropolis
is cool as well.

DON ROSA:

>... At the end of the story it is clearly stated that $crooge
> DID change his mind and he definitely DID name HD&L his sole heirs.

And that was how I read it as well, however, I can't recall where I read it
now. Do you have a Book and issue number I can check. I think I
read it originally in WDC&S, though it may have been a DD or U$....
I dunno.

RICH M:
> Has it *ever* been established where Mickey lives? In his seminal
>article on Gottfredson, Bill Blackbeard claimed he was said to live in
>"Homeville" ...

Someone may be able to anser this better, but it is my understanding that
because of heroic deeds Mickey performed (namely saving his town from
destruction) the town, whatever it was called, was renamed "Mouseton"
in his honor. This, I believe, ocurred while Disney was handling the
publishing of "Mickey Mouse Adventures." Whether this is still true
or not I dunno, but I think David Gerstein has mentioned that it is still
called "Mouseton" in the tales he writes for Egmont. Is it David?

>Unless you place that cartoon in the home of Geppetto, who demonstrably
>*did* at least once own them both? (Mammy could as easily have worked
>for him as for Minnie...)

Except for the fact that she appears with Pluto in "Pantry Pirate."
Mammy/Aunt Delilah is really such a nebulous character, and generally
seemed to have been included into the Pluto, Figaro, and Three Orphan
Kittens cartoons more for comic relief, as fodder for the pets. I suspect
Mammy was not a "dogface" character like the Beagle Boys since a little
"white" girl is present in one of the Three Orphan Kittens tales (perhaps
"More Kittens"). But since only her legs were ever shown, she could
easily be retroactively made into a "furry." But this is all probably moot
since I don't think Mammy could pass P.C. muster these days (despite
the fact that her cartoons still run on the Disney Channel). As a human
she definitely fits into Gepetto's world better than Mickey's. But since
she is caring for Pluto in "Pantry Pirate" and Figaro does qualify as a
legitimate resident of Mouseton (at least as far as I'm concerned), the
line is definitely blurred where she is concerned. We'll probably never
see her again anyhow.

-Rich (xephyr)
http://www.jps.net/xephyr/rich/disney.html

CHRISTOPHER BARAT:

> Then, too, the Southern-accented P.A.'s are simply so bizarre that
> one would REALLY have to have a lot of free time and unused indignation on
> one's hands to be offended by them.

Not really: this bizarre behavior can only imply that the Plain
Awfultonians' culture was either worthless or non-existent, so that any
foreign element that they encountered would be immediately embraced by
them to the exclusion of all else. I would think that this assessment
of the P.A.'s culture, and by extension of that of other native South
Americans living isolated from western civilization, is pretty offensive.

As an aside, is this behavior really bizarre? There are too many nations
that have replaced their native culture with the western one. These days,
it is hard to find a place without a McDonalds, e.g. As for the speed of
the change, stranger things have happened in real life. Just the other
day, I saw a segment of a documentary, referring to the westernization
of Turkey. It appears that to ensure that people would learn to use the
western alphabet in record time, the government would conduct surprise
tests in public places, asking people to read something written in the new
alphabet, with prison sentences waiting those who would flunk the test.
To an outsider, the switch to the new alphabet must have appeared almost
instantaneous, similar to the P.A.'s wearing sailor suits one one day,
and the next day wearing spats and top hats, as in Don's "Return to Plain
Awful".

(The sudden abundance of building stones, enough to build a money bin at
the end of this story can probably be explained by the P.A.'s adopting
a similar drastic approach for changing their culture overnight: the
stones were probably cut by P.A.'s sentenced to the rock quarry for
failing to shed off their sailor suits in time!!!)

> I too am glad that Athens has finally received the Games once again, but I
> have to object to the description of the Atlanta Games as a "fiasco." One
> nutcase's bomb should not be allowed to obscure the overall success of the
> event.

I don't think that Archontis was referring to the bombing, as such
things are beyond the organizers' control, even though they might have
claimed otherwise at some point. "Fiasco" may be too harsh a term,
and I certainly cannot be objective in my judgment on this subject, but
the Atlanta games appeared to me to have been too commercialized, and
far from the success in organization that one would have expected from a
country like the US. If I remember correctly, at the end of the Atlanta
Games, the president of the Olympic committee, addressing these issues,
refrained from his traditional stating that the games had been the best
ever, and recommended that in the future the Olympic Games should be held
only in countries where the state would have at least some participation
(which I gather means almost anywhere but the US).

Again, I point out that I cannot be objective in my judgment, and that
I may be blowing up out of proportion what may only be minor points.

> If the Greek organizers are concerned about running the Games in the red

I'm not sure that we are *concerned* about this. Although we'll do our
best to avoid such an eventuality, Greeks do not consider the Olympics
to be just a big show, with making a profit, or at least balancing the
books, an issue. We still view them in the romantic way that Pierre
de Coubertin had viewed them back in the 19th century, and would
not hesitate to host the Games even if we knew for certain that they
would be a financial loss. If you recall, back in the early 80s, when
the Olympics were having a crisis, with one boycott following another,
Greece had offered to host the Games permanently, knowing full well that
this would have ruined the country financially.

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To justify all this talk on this off-topic subject, I'd like to talk about
Disney comics written for the Olympic Games.

Back in 1968, I remember reading a fat, digest-size comic that had the
ducks having an adventure in Mexico during the Olympics. Although I
remember clearly that I enjoyed that story tremendously, I remember few
details about it. It started with Scrooge trying to figure out what to
sell during that year's Olympics (there is that commercial treatment of
the games, again), reminiscing about stuff he had sold in previous games,
like the "Olympic periscope", a periscope you could use to see above the
heads of a standing crowd in the stadium, and it involved Donald jumping
or having to jump off the cliff in Acapulco at some point. (This is the
first time I ever heard of that place).

Then, in 1972, I read a Mickey story that took place during the 1972
Olympics. This time, while vacationing in Greece, Mickey and Goofy
stumble upon an archaeologist who had just found a beheaded statue
of the ancient Greek athlete Goofion who, apart from the missing
head, had a remarkable resemblance to Goofy. Along with the statue,
the archaeologist had discovered a pair of greaves belonging to the
athlete. Thinking himself as a remote descendant of Goofion, Goofy
put them on, and was transformed to a super-athlete. Trying his new
powers, he was spotted by the president of the Olympic committee, and
was encouraged to participate in the Olympic games, in a new game, to
be created just for him, the hecatontathlon (i.e., "a hundred games",
just as decathlon means "ten games"). Black Pete tried to exploit Goofy,
attempting to become his manager. After several adventures, Mickey and
Goofy discovered the head of the statue, which did not resemble Goofy.
Goofy, disappointed, decided not to take part in the games after
all. Mickey and Goofy decided to go to Munich to watch the games as
spectators, but their adventures had delayed them so much that the games
were over, and they barely managed to watch the closing ceremony on TV.

In 1976, the fat comic book contained a short, forgettable, duck story
about the Montreal Games, along with other unrelated stuff, and this is
the last time I am aware of a special Olympics issue in Greece, though
I suppose there must have been others.

And so, we come to the big question:

DON:

I know that 2004 is a long way away, and that your established timeline
would make it rather difficult for Scrooge to attend the Games, but
would you consider writing a special story for the Athens Olympics,
something that the kids who read it will remember fondly thirty years
later, just like I remember that story about the Mexico Olympics?

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DON (again):

> TARJEI:
> (moooooaaaaaaaaannnnnnnn...)
> Yet you just told the entire plot, including all plot
> twists, and even included the surprise ending!

I'ts a good thing I chose to skip reading that timeline then. Thus,
there is at least one list member who is still ignorant of the plot and
its twists, and is looking forward to finding out what the ending of
the story will be.

All is not lost!
--
Kriton (e-mail: (Email removed))
(WWW: http://dias.cti.gr/~kyrimis
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"There's coffee in that nebula!"
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Don Rosa: Thank you for answering all my questions. I finally got the Micky Maus
issue I was looking for and could read part two of your story (great). Well,
sorry I didn't ask my questions to you but I wanted to give everybody the chance
to answer. You said, that the story wasn't ment to be splited in three parts. Do
you or anybody else know where to get a better version of it?
Thats interesting, that ehapa chnged the last panel of your story for U$ 50.
birthday. i'll have to try to get another version.
I am looking forward seeing you in Germany (I've got alot of unsigned comics
scince I met you in Freiburg);-)

Everybody (Including Don Rosa):
Don Rosa told me that there is a map of Duckburg in some Egmont comics. Where
can I get an copy of that?

Dominik Altevogt
Keltenring 190
79199 Kirchzarten
(Email removed)

Hi,
Regarding the Kentucky Derby in my timeline; they actually have a web
site: www.kentuckyderby.com !!

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