Seeing Ole mentioning Scarpa reminded me that I've noticed that it's
his 70th birthday tomorrow (September 27)!
/Per (with a particularly short message today)
Author
Topic: 199709
(341 messages)
Per Starback
Romano Scarpa 70 (Was: Egmont credits & pocket chaos)
Message 286 -
1997-09-26 at 16:15:17
Deckerd
Disney comics Digest V97 #206-207
Message 287 -
1997-09-26 at 18:31:09
On Sep 25, 10:33pm, (Email removed) wrote:
> It will be interesting to see how "giving
> credit where credit is due" will affect the quality of Egmont's output. Of
> course, Egmont's reputation for quality is excellent; I just want to see what
> kind of a "motivating factor" credits will be. As Brix Lichtenberg noted,
> the credits may serve as a "prod" to underachieving artists and writers to
> crank the quality of their work up a notch.
>
Actually, there already is a "prod" to underachieving artists and writers.
It's called "editors." Just _try_ to get something substandard past the
Egmont editorial staff these days!
> I remember that incident. I think that Byron handled that letter quite well,
> pointing out that Disney was not "condoning" anything and that Gottfredson
> saw to it that virtue ultimately triumphed in the end. It is difficult to
> understand how some people can equate the mere appearance of something in a
> story with a "condoning" of the principle, philosophy, or
> attitude it engenders.
>
Yep...I recall translating that "money ocean" story for Disney Comics
some years back, and waiting curiously to see what reader reaction
would be. Unfortunately, Disney Comics letter columns got a little
scrambled around then, so in the end only one letter ever appeared
in print concerning that story. It was from a young mother complaining
that the story condoned "witchcraft" -- apparently because of the
appearance of Magica de Spell. Editor David Seidman handled the
response diplomatically, I thought, but still... I'm not even
entirely unsympathetic in a general way to the woman's viewpoint:
she took her responsibility to her kids seriously, and she was sincere
in her concerns about the cultural environment and its effect on
her children. But golly...there are a lot worse things out there
than Disney Comics, Magica was a villain, witchcraft is just made-up
fairy-tale stuff, and it was all in fun with a little imagination-
stretching. (What I'm forgetting is that some Christian fundamentalists
actually believe in the physical existence of demons and witchcraft,
and that to talk about such things, even to jest about them, is to
invite them in. You should see the tract I once saw complaining about
a youth group at a more moderate church sponsoring a Halloween "spook
house" -- the fundamentalists were convinced that recruiting agents
for Satan would be waiting at the exit to sign up the kids stumbling
out the door who had been softened up inside by exposure to the
demonic representations.)
Oh well...I always thought Magica was one of Barks's weaker villains:
too fantastic to take seriously, too much of an "anything-can-happen"
wild card in a series that needs a little more grounding in realism,
and the whole quest for the Number One Dime too contrived to be very
involving. Even Don Rosa seems to have to strain to make her work
since he can't believe Old Number One is really what she thinks it
is -- the magic talisman and good-luck charm that more than hard work
and brains is the key to Scrooge's fortune. (Though I do cherish the
"sideways gravity" story!)
On Sep 25, 10:33pm, (Email removed) wrote:
> Subject: Re: Disney comics Digest V97 #206-207
> GARY LEACH responded to my Gus-Jaq comments thusly:
> <<I wasn't there, of course, but I've sat through hundreds of business
> discussions just like this. Y'see, Western was not obliged to use the
> characters of Gus & Jaq at all if they didn't want to, and what seems
> logical is not necessarily going to be what's regarded as workable.>>
>
> Add to the above, that "group" decisions often seem to meander towards what
> is "workable," with common sense and insight often getting shoved aside. :-(
>
>
>
> BYRON ERICKSON announced:
> <<The announcement is quite simply that Egmont Disney comics in the
> Scandinavian countries and Germany will now carry writer/artist credits.
> For every story. At the bottom of the first page of each story.>>
>
> Welcome news, to say the least! It will be interesting to see how "giving
> credit where credit is due" will affect the quality of Egmont's output. Of
> course, Egmont's reputation for quality is excellent; I just want to see what
> kind of a "motivating factor" credits will be. As Brix Lichtenberg noted,
> the credits may serve as a "prod" to underachieving artists and writers to
> crank the quality of their work up a notch.
>
>
> JONATHAN MARKOFF reminisced:
> <<I remember a letter in MICKEY MOUSE 240 from a parent who
> had purchased a Gladstone MM issue for a 4-year-old, and upon finding one of
> Gottfredson's milder "crime" stories, "Pluto the Racer," accused Disney of
> perverting children's minds by condoning "betting, cheating, drug using"
> etc. (I hate to think what would have happened if that letter-writer had
> picked up "The Phantom Blot"!)>>
>
> I remember that incident. I think that Byron handled that letter quite well,
> pointing out that Disney was not "condoning" anything and that Gottfredson
> saw to it that virtue ultimately triumphed in the end. It is difficult to
> understand how some people can equate the mere appearance of something in a
> story with a "condoning" of the principle, philosophy, or
> attitude it engenders.
>
>
> -- Christopher E. Barat
> (Email removed)
> http://members.aol.com/cebarat/home.htm
> "KEEP AWAY! KEEP AWAY! I'M TOO YOUNG TO DIE!!" -- Scrooge, "DuckTales"
> episode "Sweet Duck of Youth"
>
>
>
>-- End of excerpt from (Email removed)
> It will be interesting to see how "giving
> credit where credit is due" will affect the quality of Egmont's output. Of
> course, Egmont's reputation for quality is excellent; I just want to see what
> kind of a "motivating factor" credits will be. As Brix Lichtenberg noted,
> the credits may serve as a "prod" to underachieving artists and writers to
> crank the quality of their work up a notch.
>
Actually, there already is a "prod" to underachieving artists and writers.
It's called "editors." Just _try_ to get something substandard past the
Egmont editorial staff these days!
> I remember that incident. I think that Byron handled that letter quite well,
> pointing out that Disney was not "condoning" anything and that Gottfredson
> saw to it that virtue ultimately triumphed in the end. It is difficult to
> understand how some people can equate the mere appearance of something in a
> story with a "condoning" of the principle, philosophy, or
> attitude it engenders.
>
Yep...I recall translating that "money ocean" story for Disney Comics
some years back, and waiting curiously to see what reader reaction
would be. Unfortunately, Disney Comics letter columns got a little
scrambled around then, so in the end only one letter ever appeared
in print concerning that story. It was from a young mother complaining
that the story condoned "witchcraft" -- apparently because of the
appearance of Magica de Spell. Editor David Seidman handled the
response diplomatically, I thought, but still... I'm not even
entirely unsympathetic in a general way to the woman's viewpoint:
she took her responsibility to her kids seriously, and she was sincere
in her concerns about the cultural environment and its effect on
her children. But golly...there are a lot worse things out there
than Disney Comics, Magica was a villain, witchcraft is just made-up
fairy-tale stuff, and it was all in fun with a little imagination-
stretching. (What I'm forgetting is that some Christian fundamentalists
actually believe in the physical existence of demons and witchcraft,
and that to talk about such things, even to jest about them, is to
invite them in. You should see the tract I once saw complaining about
a youth group at a more moderate church sponsoring a Halloween "spook
house" -- the fundamentalists were convinced that recruiting agents
for Satan would be waiting at the exit to sign up the kids stumbling
out the door who had been softened up inside by exposure to the
demonic representations.)
Oh well...I always thought Magica was one of Barks's weaker villains:
too fantastic to take seriously, too much of an "anything-can-happen"
wild card in a series that needs a little more grounding in realism,
and the whole quest for the Number One Dime too contrived to be very
involving. Even Don Rosa seems to have to strain to make her work
since he can't believe Old Number One is really what she thinks it
is -- the magic talisman and good-luck charm that more than hard work
and brains is the key to Scrooge's fortune. (Though I do cherish the
"sideways gravity" story!)
On Sep 25, 10:33pm, (Email removed) wrote:
> Subject: Re: Disney comics Digest V97 #206-207
> GARY LEACH responded to my Gus-Jaq comments thusly:
> <<I wasn't there, of course, but I've sat through hundreds of business
> discussions just like this. Y'see, Western was not obliged to use the
> characters of Gus & Jaq at all if they didn't want to, and what seems
> logical is not necessarily going to be what's regarded as workable.>>
>
> Add to the above, that "group" decisions often seem to meander towards what
> is "workable," with common sense and insight often getting shoved aside. :-(
>
>
>
> BYRON ERICKSON announced:
> <<The announcement is quite simply that Egmont Disney comics in the
> Scandinavian countries and Germany will now carry writer/artist credits.
> For every story. At the bottom of the first page of each story.>>
>
> Welcome news, to say the least! It will be interesting to see how "giving
> credit where credit is due" will affect the quality of Egmont's output. Of
> course, Egmont's reputation for quality is excellent; I just want to see what
> kind of a "motivating factor" credits will be. As Brix Lichtenberg noted,
> the credits may serve as a "prod" to underachieving artists and writers to
> crank the quality of their work up a notch.
>
>
> JONATHAN MARKOFF reminisced:
> <<I remember a letter in MICKEY MOUSE 240 from a parent who
> had purchased a Gladstone MM issue for a 4-year-old, and upon finding one of
> Gottfredson's milder "crime" stories, "Pluto the Racer," accused Disney of
> perverting children's minds by condoning "betting, cheating, drug using"
> etc. (I hate to think what would have happened if that letter-writer had
> picked up "The Phantom Blot"!)>>
>
> I remember that incident. I think that Byron handled that letter quite well,
> pointing out that Disney was not "condoning" anything and that Gottfredson
> saw to it that virtue ultimately triumphed in the end. It is difficult to
> understand how some people can equate the mere appearance of something in a
> story with a "condoning" of the principle, philosophy, or
> attitude it engenders.
>
>
> -- Christopher E. Barat
> (Email removed)
> http://members.aol.com/cebarat/home.htm
> "KEEP AWAY! KEEP AWAY! I'M TOO YOUNG TO DIE!!" -- Scrooge, "DuckTales"
> episode "Sweet Duck of Youth"
>
>
>
>-- End of excerpt from (Email removed)
Nils Lid Hjort
What's wrong with the Rosa cards?
Message 288 -
1997-09-26 at 18:39:58
As we know the full sequence of CB Library albums comes equipped with
"collectors' collectible cards". These are quite nicely and tastefully done,
technically as well as theme- and design-wise. Hence I like them, although
I am not quite sure what we are supposed to do with them... That regular
buyers of the WDC&S sub-series here will get some duplicates and holes
instead of the full row is an irritating aspect that I will not dwell on here.
Let's focus instead on the few _Rosa cards_ that go with the Rosa albums. These
are the 4 + 3 = 7 albums that have been produced by Gladstone in the same
style and fashion as the many CB Library ones:
* The 4-issue "US Life and Times" [the contents of which we will all dupedly
re-buy once they are repackaged as a full book], _with_ cards,
and
* the 3-issue (so far) "US Adventures in Color by Don Rosa", _without_ cards.
The four Rosa cards depict Scrooge in the years 1882, 1887, 1897, 1947.
My problem and half-complaint with these is that when taken together, say
framed on the wall with the nearest photo-shop's $1.50 frame-with-glass,
they make a _terrible_ (albeit fully believable) life-prospect impression!
They show a man/duck whom we all occasionally admire and occasionally frown on,
as being appropriately young and energetic and full of zhizn' and zoe in his
youth, but ... being disencouragingly old and finished-with-real-life in 1947.
Yes, this corresponds to what we believe is the truth about our man. *But*
we also know that he somehow managed to bootstrap and muenchhausen himself
back into fuller, bolder, "younger", spirited, adventurous life, _after_ 1947!
Thus my complaint: the 1882, 1887, 1897, 1947 photo-sample is not statistically
representative for this unique person. Taken together this size 4 sample simply
does not provide us with a good inclination of the man as we know him.
We look at those four cards, on the wall or in an album, and
(a) know that this does not well convey the "life and times"
of our duck to us; and
(b) get rather distressed and depressed by the implicit gloomy
life-cycle-prospect: no fun after 60.
The productivity of a business firm or a university department could go down
if they made posters of these and placed them in their cantinas, and
governments could be toppled.
Hence we need more Rosa cards, to better fill in the picture. And it was a
disappointment that the three (so far) new Rosa albums didn't contain cards.
Nils Lid Hjort
"collectors' collectible cards". These are quite nicely and tastefully done,
technically as well as theme- and design-wise. Hence I like them, although
I am not quite sure what we are supposed to do with them... That regular
buyers of the WDC&S sub-series here will get some duplicates and holes
instead of the full row is an irritating aspect that I will not dwell on here.
Let's focus instead on the few _Rosa cards_ that go with the Rosa albums. These
are the 4 + 3 = 7 albums that have been produced by Gladstone in the same
style and fashion as the many CB Library ones:
* The 4-issue "US Life and Times" [the contents of which we will all dupedly
re-buy once they are repackaged as a full book], _with_ cards,
and
* the 3-issue (so far) "US Adventures in Color by Don Rosa", _without_ cards.
The four Rosa cards depict Scrooge in the years 1882, 1887, 1897, 1947.
My problem and half-complaint with these is that when taken together, say
framed on the wall with the nearest photo-shop's $1.50 frame-with-glass,
they make a _terrible_ (albeit fully believable) life-prospect impression!
They show a man/duck whom we all occasionally admire and occasionally frown on,
as being appropriately young and energetic and full of zhizn' and zoe in his
youth, but ... being disencouragingly old and finished-with-real-life in 1947.
Yes, this corresponds to what we believe is the truth about our man. *But*
we also know that he somehow managed to bootstrap and muenchhausen himself
back into fuller, bolder, "younger", spirited, adventurous life, _after_ 1947!
Thus my complaint: the 1882, 1887, 1897, 1947 photo-sample is not statistically
representative for this unique person. Taken together this size 4 sample simply
does not provide us with a good inclination of the man as we know him.
We look at those four cards, on the wall or in an album, and
(a) know that this does not well convey the "life and times"
of our duck to us; and
(b) get rather distressed and depressed by the implicit gloomy
life-cycle-prospect: no fun after 60.
The productivity of a business firm or a university department could go down
if they made posters of these and placed them in their cantinas, and
governments could be toppled.
Hence we need more Rosa cards, to better fill in the picture. And it was a
disappointment that the three (so far) new Rosa albums didn't contain cards.
Nils Lid Hjort
Søren Krarup Olesen
New pages/pictures on the net
Message 289 -
1997-09-26 at 18:57:40
Hi everyone.
I am new on the list, and I was told to wait two days - so I did...
For those of you who are able to decode the danish language I would like
to introduce my own page on the Danish Jumbobog. The "Jumbobog" is
some kind of greatest hits of the Italian Topolino magazine (anyway
Egmont decides what's great or not) as you might know. So feel free
to check out http://www.kom.auc.dk/~sko/jumbo/jumbo.html
The pages are of course influenced by my own opinions so don't get too
affended. It is meant for Danish "normal" readers only. I have put in
a complete list of the Jumbobog incl. JPG-images of all Jumbobog's.
I have also tried to fill some of the holes that exist in the library.
Take a look
at Jumbobog nr. 8 (corresponds to the swedish KAP nr. 8) for instance...
By the way; I am far from finished!!!
---
S=F8ren Krarup Olesen, Research assistant at Acoustics Laboratory, Aalbor=
g
University. Addr: Acoustics Laboratory, Fredrik Bajers Vej 7 B4, DK-9220
Aalborg =D8, Denmark (TEL: +45 96 35 87 07). Priv: Brettevillesgade 11, 1.
th., DK-9000 Aalborg, Denmark (TEL: +45 98 10 32 48).
mailto:(Email removed), URL: http://www.kom.auc.dk/~sko
I am new on the list, and I was told to wait two days - so I did...
For those of you who are able to decode the danish language I would like
to introduce my own page on the Danish Jumbobog. The "Jumbobog" is
some kind of greatest hits of the Italian Topolino magazine (anyway
Egmont decides what's great or not) as you might know. So feel free
to check out http://www.kom.auc.dk/~sko/jumbo/jumbo.html
The pages are of course influenced by my own opinions so don't get too
affended. It is meant for Danish "normal" readers only. I have put in
a complete list of the Jumbobog incl. JPG-images of all Jumbobog's.
I have also tried to fill some of the holes that exist in the library.
Take a look
at Jumbobog nr. 8 (corresponds to the swedish KAP nr. 8) for instance...
By the way; I am far from finished!!!
---
S=F8ren Krarup Olesen, Research assistant at Acoustics Laboratory, Aalbor=
g
University. Addr: Acoustics Laboratory, Fredrik Bajers Vej 7 B4, DK-9220
Aalborg =D8, Denmark (TEL: +45 96 35 87 07). Priv: Brettevillesgade 11, 1.
th., DK-9000 Aalborg, Denmark (TEL: +45 98 10 32 48).
mailto:(Email removed), URL: http://www.kom.auc.dk/~sko
Francois Willot
Mickey travels in time
Message 290 -
1997-09-26 at 19:13:36
Brix Lichtenberg:
The stories you saw were published in France, from 1952 to 1978. One
page were made for each Journal de Mickey issue (althought there was a
few occasional longer parts), from # 15 to 1362. If you call it a story,
that's probably the longest Disney comics production: 1329 pages!
"Mickey a travers les siecles" is THE big (and altmost only) French
production until 1980, before France started to create short stories
like Denmark or the Netherlands.
All the stories were drawn by Pierre Nicolas (pencil + ink). They were
written by Pierre Fallot until 1974, and then it was Jean-Michel le
Corfec (except on some cases, when it was Juliette Benzoni or Claude
Yelnick).
>The "pilot" to these stories never was published here, though.
He only appears in three instances: on the first and last pages, and a
few weeks before the end. The drug was administrated to Mickey by a
scientist that looks like prof. Einmug.
>I once saw one of these in an old Picsou Magazine.
Are you sure? I think no Mickey travels in time stories were published
in Picsou.
Francois
The stories you saw were published in France, from 1952 to 1978. One
page were made for each Journal de Mickey issue (althought there was a
few occasional longer parts), from # 15 to 1362. If you call it a story,
that's probably the longest Disney comics production: 1329 pages!
"Mickey a travers les siecles" is THE big (and altmost only) French
production until 1980, before France started to create short stories
like Denmark or the Netherlands.
All the stories were drawn by Pierre Nicolas (pencil + ink). They were
written by Pierre Fallot until 1974, and then it was Jean-Michel le
Corfec (except on some cases, when it was Juliette Benzoni or Claude
Yelnick).
>The "pilot" to these stories never was published here, though.
He only appears in three instances: on the first and last pages, and a
few weeks before the end. The drug was administrated to Mickey by a
scientist that looks like prof. Einmug.
>I once saw one of these in an old Picsou Magazine.
Are you sure? I think no Mickey travels in time stories were published
in Picsou.
Francois
Francois Willot
Luca Boschi
Message 291 -
1997-09-26 at 19:14:36
>I'm Luca Boschi, comic artist of characters created by me, storyman
>for Disney
Welcome, Mr. Luca Boschi! It's a great pleasure to heard of you on this
list. I have some of your articles, published in Italian books, and I
enjoyed them all. They are always well informed on the subject.
BTW: so you are an actual Disney comics author? I and Marco Barlotti
were just talking about a story in Mega 2000, credited to you (in part),
and we were not sure if the Italian credit was correct.
Francois Willot
>for Disney
Welcome, Mr. Luca Boschi! It's a great pleasure to heard of you on this
list. I have some of your articles, published in Italian books, and I
enjoyed them all. They are always well informed on the subject.
BTW: so you are an actual Disney comics author? I and Marco Barlotti
were just talking about a story in Mega 2000, credited to you (in part),
and we were not sure if the Italian credit was correct.
Francois Willot
Francois Willot
The end...
Message 292 -
1997-09-26 at 19:15:14
>I *LOVE* Scarpa's stories, can you tell me if it is possible to
>subscribe to Mickey Parade from Italy? Is there an address where I
>should write to?
There must be a way to order these issues from where you are, even if I
saw no indications for foreign subscriptions. But I don't understand why
you would want them, since you can find any Scarpa story in Italy.
>IMHO the real mutation in Mickey personality occourred in the story
>"The miracle master"
Mickey's personality changed a lot during these years. But I never read
the story you're talking about...
FABRIZIO CELLERINI wrote:
>If I am not wrong, the only remarkable missing character [in
>Paperolimpiadi] is Atomino bip-bip.
I did read that at a certain time, Romano Scarpa courageousely decided
(sic) to stop using the character in his stories.
STEVEN ROWE wrote:
>If nobody's interested; I'll drop it
I am interested. If a few people are not thrilled, that's not a big
deal: they can simply delete your messages. But are your informations
stored in the database?
DAVID GERSTEIN:
>gimme
Is that "give me"? Please, use words I can find in a dictionary...
MARCO:
>This story was clearly a "reprise" of an old story by Lius Destuet
>(El Pato Donald 249-277 from Argentina (1949 !!!) [...]
>Moreover, the artist of that old story (whose name I only recently
>learned to be Destuet) had never any more re-appeared on "Topolino"!
>(Although I last year found out that some of his work had been
>published in the "Albi D'Oro")
Two stories from Argentina were published here in "Super Picsou" in the
80s. Considering that this title was a "clone" of the Italian "Super
Almanacco Paperino", they probably were published in Italy too. They are
almost strange: the drawing is sometimes OK, sometimes very bad and the
stories reminds me of "Donald and the Secret of Mars" published by
Gladstone. It's the same "non-professional" style.
Fran?ois
>subscribe to Mickey Parade from Italy? Is there an address where I
>should write to?
There must be a way to order these issues from where you are, even if I
saw no indications for foreign subscriptions. But I don't understand why
you would want them, since you can find any Scarpa story in Italy.
>IMHO the real mutation in Mickey personality occourred in the story
>"The miracle master"
Mickey's personality changed a lot during these years. But I never read
the story you're talking about...
FABRIZIO CELLERINI wrote:
>If I am not wrong, the only remarkable missing character [in
>Paperolimpiadi] is Atomino bip-bip.
I did read that at a certain time, Romano Scarpa courageousely decided
(sic) to stop using the character in his stories.
STEVEN ROWE wrote:
>If nobody's interested; I'll drop it
I am interested. If a few people are not thrilled, that's not a big
deal: they can simply delete your messages. But are your informations
stored in the database?
DAVID GERSTEIN:
>gimme
Is that "give me"? Please, use words I can find in a dictionary...
MARCO:
>This story was clearly a "reprise" of an old story by Lius Destuet
>(El Pato Donald 249-277 from Argentina (1949 !!!) [...]
>Moreover, the artist of that old story (whose name I only recently
>learned to be Destuet) had never any more re-appeared on "Topolino"!
>(Although I last year found out that some of his work had been
>published in the "Albi D'Oro")
Two stories from Argentina were published here in "Super Picsou" in the
80s. Considering that this title was a "clone" of the Italian "Super
Almanacco Paperino", they probably were published in Italy too. They are
almost strange: the drawing is sometimes OK, sometimes very bad and the
stories reminds me of "Donald and the Secret of Mars" published by
Gladstone. It's the same "non-professional" style.
Fran?ois
Wilmer Rivers
Lists on the List; French mice
Message 293 -
1997-09-26 at 20:29:50
Steven Rowe wrote:
> Just got a complaint about my listing the contents of the Acclaim
> and Disney Adventures comics...
And Jonathan Markoff added:
> I wrote the complaint. I don't have any problem with discussions of
> these characters being on the list, although I have no interest in
> them. But I don't think the list is the place for indexes--that is,
> lists of all stories in an issue, along with their authors, page
> numbers, etc. That belongs on Harry's website, the Disney Comics
> Database. I have frequently sent long, tedious Gold Key/Whitman
> indexes, always in private mail, to Harry, for use there, since I
> know it would be pointless to clutter this forum with them. I was
> merely suggesting that Steve do the same.
I agree that long, tedious Gold Key/Whitman indexes belong in Harry's
database and not on the Mailing List. But I disagree about the lists
of contents of the Acclaim and Disney Adventures comics. The former
indexes are strictly reference data, whereas the latter lists of
contents are news about current comics, and this is after all a "news"
list. These postings alert readers about stories that are on the
supermarket shelves now (or soon will be), and people can rush out
and buy them, unlike most of the Gold Key/Whitman comics. I enjoy
learning what's available for purchase by reading the posts in this
list, and I would hate to have to go to the database page regularly
for the contents of all newly released issues. OK, I'm lazy - "push"
vs. "pull" Internet technology - but then hitting the "delete" key
to skip postings in which you're not interested doesn't require much
energy, either.
More on-topic to the List (as opposed to being **about** the List):
just why do current-day Disney authors, who have no need to hype
the Cinderella movie, continue to use Gus and Jacques in their stories?
Is it just to recycle old gags that they couldn't fit into scripts for
Chip and Dale?
Wilmer Rivers
> Just got a complaint about my listing the contents of the Acclaim
> and Disney Adventures comics...
And Jonathan Markoff added:
> I wrote the complaint. I don't have any problem with discussions of
> these characters being on the list, although I have no interest in
> them. But I don't think the list is the place for indexes--that is,
> lists of all stories in an issue, along with their authors, page
> numbers, etc. That belongs on Harry's website, the Disney Comics
> Database. I have frequently sent long, tedious Gold Key/Whitman
> indexes, always in private mail, to Harry, for use there, since I
> know it would be pointless to clutter this forum with them. I was
> merely suggesting that Steve do the same.
I agree that long, tedious Gold Key/Whitman indexes belong in Harry's
database and not on the Mailing List. But I disagree about the lists
of contents of the Acclaim and Disney Adventures comics. The former
indexes are strictly reference data, whereas the latter lists of
contents are news about current comics, and this is after all a "news"
list. These postings alert readers about stories that are on the
supermarket shelves now (or soon will be), and people can rush out
and buy them, unlike most of the Gold Key/Whitman comics. I enjoy
learning what's available for purchase by reading the posts in this
list, and I would hate to have to go to the database page regularly
for the contents of all newly released issues. OK, I'm lazy - "push"
vs. "pull" Internet technology - but then hitting the "delete" key
to skip postings in which you're not interested doesn't require much
energy, either.
More on-topic to the List (as opposed to being **about** the List):
just why do current-day Disney authors, who have no need to hype
the Cinderella movie, continue to use Gus and Jacques in their stories?
Is it just to recycle old gags that they couldn't fit into scripts for
Chip and Dale?
Wilmer Rivers
Harry Fluks
Luca, Brix, Soren, Francois, Wilmer
Message 294 -
1997-09-27 at 00:03:20
LUCA BOSCHI:
> for the first time I write some lines.
Welcome to the non-lurking society.
> I read in this list that
> also Marco Barlotti, Didier Ghez and Harry Flucks plan to come to
> Lucca for meeting all this people [..]
> maybe is possible to organize something on sunday
Francois Willot will also be there. A while ago, Marco proposed to
meet on sunday morning, which is OK with me.
Is anyone else from the List coming? Fabrizio or Paolo perhaps?
BRIX:
> "Mickys Reisen durch die Zeit" (Mickey's travels in time).
> Do you (or anyone) have information about these stories (creators, how
> many of them exist)? I didn't find anything in the database.
Francois already answered this. As to why you didn't find it in the
database: that's because noone has given me an index of those stories
yet.
SO/REN:
> I have put in
> a complete list of the Jumbobog incl. JPG-images of all Jumbobog's.
> I have also tried to fill some of the holes that exist in the library.
Please contact Ole Reichstein Nielsen about this; he'll be very interested.
Ole ((Email removed)) maintains the Danish info of the
Disney comics Database.
FRANC,OIS:
> DAVID GERSTEIN:
>>gimme
> Is that "give me"? Please, use words I can find in a dictionary...
Alternatively, you could buy a better dictionary... 8-)
The Swedish pop group ABBA had a hit in the 70s called
"Gimme gimme gimme"...
WILMER:
> I enjoy
> learning what's available for purchase by reading the posts in this
> list, and I would hate to have to go to the database page regularly
> for the contents of all newly released issues.
That wouldn't work anyway, since the Database is only updated
4 times a year... (The current version is from last July, the next update
is planned for October.)
--Harry.
--------------------------------
End of Disney comics Digest V97 Issue #208
******************************************
> for the first time I write some lines.
Welcome to the non-lurking society.
> I read in this list that
> also Marco Barlotti, Didier Ghez and Harry Flucks plan to come to
> Lucca for meeting all this people [..]
> maybe is possible to organize something on sunday
Francois Willot will also be there. A while ago, Marco proposed to
meet on sunday morning, which is OK with me.
Is anyone else from the List coming? Fabrizio or Paolo perhaps?
BRIX:
> "Mickys Reisen durch die Zeit" (Mickey's travels in time).
> Do you (or anyone) have information about these stories (creators, how
> many of them exist)? I didn't find anything in the database.
Francois already answered this. As to why you didn't find it in the
database: that's because noone has given me an index of those stories
yet.
SO/REN:
> I have put in
> a complete list of the Jumbobog incl. JPG-images of all Jumbobog's.
> I have also tried to fill some of the holes that exist in the library.
Please contact Ole Reichstein Nielsen about this; he'll be very interested.
Ole ((Email removed)) maintains the Danish info of the
Disney comics Database.
FRANC,OIS:
> DAVID GERSTEIN:
>>gimme
> Is that "give me"? Please, use words I can find in a dictionary...
Alternatively, you could buy a better dictionary... 8-)
The Swedish pop group ABBA had a hit in the 70s called
"Gimme gimme gimme"...
WILMER:
> I enjoy
> learning what's available for purchase by reading the posts in this
> list, and I would hate to have to go to the database page regularly
> for the contents of all newly released issues.
That wouldn't work anyway, since the Database is only updated
4 times a year... (The current version is from last July, the next update
is planned for October.)
--Harry.
--------------------------------
End of Disney comics Digest V97 Issue #208
******************************************
Fabrizio
Figaro
Message 295 -
1997-09-27 at 00:07:34
Jonathan:
> ... (BTW, is Figaro a character from Collodi's original novel, or an
> addition by Disney? My knowledge of Pinocchio is limited to Disney's 1940
> movie.)
He's definitely an addition by Disney.
Fabrizio.
> ... (BTW, is Figaro a character from Collodi's original novel, or an
> addition by Disney? My knowledge of Pinocchio is limited to Disney's 1940
> movie.)
He's definitely an addition by Disney.
Fabrizio.
Brix Lichtenberg
Mickey's travels in time
Message 296 -
1997-09-27 at 00:26:16
Hi!
HARRY (or anyone who knows):
In 1972/1973 german publisher Delphin (a company which did a lot of
children books with Disney characters at the time) published four comics
hardcovers with "Mickys Reisen durch die Zeit" (Mickey's travels in
time).
Mickey meets a lot of historical characters like Wilhelm Tell,
Nofretete, Merlin, Hercules and so on. The plot device connecting the
stories is that Mickey has drunk some kind of magical/scientific potion
and is sent into another era by a hit on the head he always gets at the
end of the story by some coincidence. The "pilot" to these stories never
was published here, though.
I suspect the stories to be of french origin because I once saw one of
these in an old Picsou Magazine. The art isn't bad and it's kind of
ununsual to see Mickey interact with "real" and more realistically drawn
people.
Do you (or anyone) have information about these stories (creators, how
many of them exist)? I didn't find anything in the database.
Brix
HARRY (or anyone who knows):
In 1972/1973 german publisher Delphin (a company which did a lot of
children books with Disney characters at the time) published four comics
hardcovers with "Mickys Reisen durch die Zeit" (Mickey's travels in
time).
Mickey meets a lot of historical characters like Wilhelm Tell,
Nofretete, Merlin, Hercules and so on. The plot device connecting the
stories is that Mickey has drunk some kind of magical/scientific potion
and is sent into another era by a hit on the head he always gets at the
end of the story by some coincidence. The "pilot" to these stories never
was published here, though.
I suspect the stories to be of french origin because I once saw one of
these in an old Picsou Magazine. The art isn't bad and it's kind of
ununsual to see Mickey interact with "real" and more realistically drawn
people.
Do you (or anyone) have information about these stories (creators, how
many of them exist)? I didn't find anything in the database.
Brix
Donald D. Markstein
Junkville Journal
Message 297 -
1997-09-27 at 02:21:19
I did NOT intend to post duplicate messages the other day. The computer
told me the first hadn't been sent. My fault for believing it, I guess, b=
ut
what're ya gonna do?
DON ROSA --
I guess I haven't really internalized the size of the Disney comi=
cs
market in Europe -- here, even the biggest comics aren't enough to make
tabloid victims of their creators. I can see where being famous in the
larger venue that I thought this wasn't (if that clause isn't too
convoluted) would inure you to the piddly little thing you just went
through -- but then, I can also see where it might make you hypersensitiv=
e
to such things. I'm glad you've taken the less stressful point of view.
I think I did suggest, some time ago, that I might be addressed a=
s
"Donald", if having two Dons would be too much. Now that I'm looking at i=
t,
tho, it seems alien. I use it in dealing with banks, insurance companies
and the like (which is why my CompuServe account uses that name), but the=
last actual human being to call me that was a girlfriend who -- oh, but
let's NOT get into THAT... Another suggestion I made then was that the on=
e
who had been using the name longer should get to keep it. (Just overt hal=
f
a century for me. You?)
What the heck, tho, if that other Disney Donald can appear in
stories set in two or more universes, this group ought to be able to
accommodate two or more Dons.
(I do SOMETIMES use my full first name, plus middle initial, as a=
byline, but only for Disney stuff. But the only reason I do that is becau=
se
once in awhile somebody will make the connection and ask "Oh yeah? And
what's the D stand for?")
BYRON ERICKSON --
Hooray! And congratulations on getting the policy changed. I know=
it was an uphill battle.
Oh yes -- and also, thanks!
ROB GIBSON --
"... documentary explaining that Walt Disney went deeply into debt to
produce "Cinderella". ... perhaps it would help to explain the bizarre
appearance of 14th century french mice on a 20th century american farm"
You figure they were moonlighting to help Uncle Walt meet his
expenses? I dunno. If they were stockholders, sure -- maybe even if they
were on a profit sharing plan. But my impression is, they were just grunt=
s.
Can't see 'em knocking themselves out to keep the studio solvent.
As I've said before, I flatly and simply have no problem with it.=
I
rolled my eyes worse when I saw the early descriptions of TALE SPIN --
jungle animals who don't even wear clothing, and suddenly they're flying
airplanes?
While it would, indeed, be bizarre for 14th century French mice t=
o
live on a 20th century American farm, there is nothing at all bizarre abo=
ut
Disney characters who are mice in a fairy tale setting moving in with a
Disney character who is a duck in a rural setting. For all we know,
Cinderella's house might be just over the hill from Grandma Duck's farm -=
-
in THAT set of stories.
JONATHAN MARKOFF --
"Gus and Jaq at Grandma Duck's farm is my breaking point."
And yet, you accept Gus Goose as Grandma Duck's nephew?
"If you mention Donald's uncle Scrooge to the average American, you'll he=
ar
"Scrooge isn't a Disney character! He comes from a story by Charles
Dickens!" "
I think you're wrong. I think the average American knows "our"
Scrooge -- tho perhaps again, as you note for the others, more as a
merchandising icon than a character. A surprising number of Americans of =
my
generation remember him from their youths. (A few months ago, I caught TV=
GUIDE using the phrase "out-smart the smarties".) Even more know him from=
DUCK TALES -- if not from watching the cartoon, then from the buzz that
surrounded the merchandising of it. In fact, I think it's likely MORE
Americans would think of McDuck first and Ebeneezer second when asked to
identify "Scrooge". (So why doesn't anybody buy the comics?)
told me the first hadn't been sent. My fault for believing it, I guess, b=
ut
what're ya gonna do?
DON ROSA --
I guess I haven't really internalized the size of the Disney comi=
cs
market in Europe -- here, even the biggest comics aren't enough to make
tabloid victims of their creators. I can see where being famous in the
larger venue that I thought this wasn't (if that clause isn't too
convoluted) would inure you to the piddly little thing you just went
through -- but then, I can also see where it might make you hypersensitiv=
e
to such things. I'm glad you've taken the less stressful point of view.
I think I did suggest, some time ago, that I might be addressed a=
s
"Donald", if having two Dons would be too much. Now that I'm looking at i=
t,
tho, it seems alien. I use it in dealing with banks, insurance companies
and the like (which is why my CompuServe account uses that name), but the=
last actual human being to call me that was a girlfriend who -- oh, but
let's NOT get into THAT... Another suggestion I made then was that the on=
e
who had been using the name longer should get to keep it. (Just overt hal=
f
a century for me. You?)
What the heck, tho, if that other Disney Donald can appear in
stories set in two or more universes, this group ought to be able to
accommodate two or more Dons.
(I do SOMETIMES use my full first name, plus middle initial, as a=
byline, but only for Disney stuff. But the only reason I do that is becau=
se
once in awhile somebody will make the connection and ask "Oh yeah? And
what's the D stand for?")
BYRON ERICKSON --
Hooray! And congratulations on getting the policy changed. I know=
it was an uphill battle.
Oh yes -- and also, thanks!
ROB GIBSON --
"... documentary explaining that Walt Disney went deeply into debt to
produce "Cinderella". ... perhaps it would help to explain the bizarre
appearance of 14th century french mice on a 20th century american farm"
You figure they were moonlighting to help Uncle Walt meet his
expenses? I dunno. If they were stockholders, sure -- maybe even if they
were on a profit sharing plan. But my impression is, they were just grunt=
s.
Can't see 'em knocking themselves out to keep the studio solvent.
As I've said before, I flatly and simply have no problem with it.=
I
rolled my eyes worse when I saw the early descriptions of TALE SPIN --
jungle animals who don't even wear clothing, and suddenly they're flying
airplanes?
While it would, indeed, be bizarre for 14th century French mice t=
o
live on a 20th century American farm, there is nothing at all bizarre abo=
ut
Disney characters who are mice in a fairy tale setting moving in with a
Disney character who is a duck in a rural setting. For all we know,
Cinderella's house might be just over the hill from Grandma Duck's farm -=
-
in THAT set of stories.
JONATHAN MARKOFF --
"Gus and Jaq at Grandma Duck's farm is my breaking point."
And yet, you accept Gus Goose as Grandma Duck's nephew?
"If you mention Donald's uncle Scrooge to the average American, you'll he=
ar
"Scrooge isn't a Disney character! He comes from a story by Charles
Dickens!" "
I think you're wrong. I think the average American knows "our"
Scrooge -- tho perhaps again, as you note for the others, more as a
merchandising icon than a character. A surprising number of Americans of =
my
generation remember him from their youths. (A few months ago, I caught TV=
GUIDE using the phrase "out-smart the smarties".) Even more know him from=
DUCK TALES -- if not from watching the cartoon, then from the buzz that
surrounded the merchandising of it. In fact, I think it's likely MORE
Americans would think of McDuck first and Ebeneezer second when asked to
identify "Scrooge". (So why doesn't anybody buy the comics?)
Luke Pryor
Hello everybody
Message 298 -
1997-09-27 at 04:20:43
hi everybody,
can anybody send me some awesome pictures of Hercules from the internet to
my email address?
Hey don , YOU SMELL!
send email to: (Email removed)
can anybody send me some awesome pictures of Hercules from the internet to
my email address?
Hey don , YOU SMELL!
send email to: (Email removed)
Brix Lichtenberg
Mickey's travels in time
Message 299 -
1997-09-27 at 12:25:32
FRANCOIS:
Thanks for the immediate response.
> Are you sure? I think no Mickey travels in time stories were published
> in Picsou.
You're right! I got it confused. It WAS a Journal de Mickey from the
70's.
(BTW, in the german edition there always was a written preface
explaining the drug as an experiment by Gyro Gearloose/Daniel
D=FCsentrieb)
HARRY:
> that's because noone has given me an index of those stories yet.
No problem with the 4 german hardcovers. I've got 'em all and will send
you the information I can derive from them in private e-mail. For
further information you'll have to rely on Francois though.
Brix
Thanks for the immediate response.
> Are you sure? I think no Mickey travels in time stories were published
> in Picsou.
You're right! I got it confused. It WAS a Journal de Mickey from the
70's.
(BTW, in the german edition there always was a written preface
explaining the drug as an experiment by Gyro Gearloose/Daniel
D=FCsentrieb)
HARRY:
> that's because noone has given me an index of those stories yet.
No problem with the 4 german hardcovers. I've got 'em all and will send
you the information I can derive from them in private e-mail. For
further information you'll have to rely on Francois though.
Brix
Tarjei Kidd Olsen
Disney comics Digest V97 #208
Message 300 -
1997-09-27 at 16:52:24
DANIEL:
> witchcraft is just made-up
>fairy-tale stuff, and it was all in fun with a little imagination-
>stretching. (What I'm forgetting is that some Christian fundamentalists
>actually believe in the physical existence of demons and witchcraft,
>and that to talk about such things, even to jest about them, is to
>invite them in.
Not only Christian fundamentalists are into witches though; I know/knew (he
lives in either Iceland or Africa now) a guy when I lived in Ireland who
claimed he was a "White witch"(I won't go into any more detail regarding all
this)...He didn't seem like a complete crackpot or anything to me, and was
highly technically skilled and intelligent. So not everyone would agree with
your view that
> witchcraft is just made-up
>fairy-tale stuff,
Not that I think he meant "witch" in the traditional way. But ofcourse this
doesn't really have very much to do with Disney comics, I just couldn't
resist mentioning it after seeing your very confident statement.
|| <<<<Tarjei Kidd Olsen>>>> ||
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|| http://home.sol.no/~kidd/ ||
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> witchcraft is just made-up
>fairy-tale stuff, and it was all in fun with a little imagination-
>stretching. (What I'm forgetting is that some Christian fundamentalists
>actually believe in the physical existence of demons and witchcraft,
>and that to talk about such things, even to jest about them, is to
>invite them in.
Not only Christian fundamentalists are into witches though; I know/knew (he
lives in either Iceland or Africa now) a guy when I lived in Ireland who
claimed he was a "White witch"(I won't go into any more detail regarding all
this)...He didn't seem like a complete crackpot or anything to me, and was
highly technically skilled and intelligent. So not everyone would agree with
your view that
> witchcraft is just made-up
>fairy-tale stuff,
Not that I think he meant "witch" in the traditional way. But ofcourse this
doesn't really have very much to do with Disney comics, I just couldn't
resist mentioning it after seeing your very confident statement.
|| <<<<Tarjei Kidd Olsen>>>> ||
||___________________________||
|| http://home.sol.no/~kidd/ ||
|| (Email removed) ||