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Marco Barlotti
OLE:

>I know of six chapters of the "Once Upon a Time in America" series.
>
> "C'era una volta... in America"
>1. I TL 1996-A "Topolino e il tesoro della Mayflower" Pezzin/MdV 34 p.

[...]

Ole doesn't know of three more chapters which have appeared until now,
because I haven't published as yet my update of the FSB database on

http://marcobar.cce.unifi.it/DisneyIndex ...

So here they are, for whoever might be interested:

7. I TL 2156-1 "Topolino e la battaglia di Alamo" Pezzin/Petrossi 33 pages
8. I TL 2162-1 "Topolino e la via dell'Oregon" Pezzin/MdV 40 pages
9. I TL 2177-1 "Topolino e la febbre dell'oro" Pezzin/MdV 34 pages

DON ROSA:

>I spoke to poor, overworked Byron yesterday, and he said he'll eventually
>get caught up and post a message to this forum... but that he does hope
>that we'll allow HIM to make the first announcement of the Egmont policy
>change since he fought for it since the first day he went to work for
>Egmont 6 years back. So, patience. In the meantime, don't let your
>imaginations build it up to being something even more important than it
>actually is, lest you'll be disappointed.
>

Oh... I was thinking he'd announce that you'll start making Mickey Mouse
stories! ;-)

Marco
Rich Bellacera
DON ROSA:
>RICH:
>> Should read: "In fact I would say that the clear line you have drawn in
>the
>> Duck universe might even be the new benchmark the other Disney
>> Universes are NOW adhering to." (...not "are NOT adhering to.")
>
>Oh? I thought it read just fine the way you mistyped it. In fact, it read
>better. I see no evidence that anything in my "Lo$" or other stories is
>being treated as any sort of new "official" history. And I sorta hope it
>isn't because that would take the teeth out of the few (misguided) critics
>who accuse me of purposely trying to recreate Duck comics (even though I
>*thought* I was simply trying to reshape them more tightly to Barks'
>original ideas). But perhaps what they really meant was that I would limit
>other writers' abilities to tell whatever sorts of stories they wished,
>which I would certainly never seek to do, and as long as other writers
>don't use my framework as their limitations, I can safely say that I never
>did that, even unintentionally.

Actually all I meant to imply was that, at least as far as Disney Comics
that are published in the USA, you seem to be a "trend-setter." This is
neither good nor bad. If other writers feel pressured to adhere to your
tastes instead of following their own sensibilities it can hardly be your
fault. Your style and sense of continuity, as oppose to the seemingly
haphazard cross-overs and inconsistancies of past stories would certainly
rate as a (relatively) NEW trend for Disney comics. Perhaps the sense
of order you've applied is part of what has made YOUR vision of the
Ducks so popular. [I know that your "Duck Family Tree" is a cherished
part of my collection, so much so I had to purchase TWO copies of
that issue just so I could remove the Tree and have it readily available
in my copy of the hardbound special edition "Donald Duck: 50 Years of
Happy Frustration" to go along with the Van Horn print of his own
version of the Duck Family Tree. Obviously there are some basic
differences in interpretation between the two of you (i.e., he includes
Magica, Gyro, and Glomgold... as well as Daisy, the Nieces and
Ludwig von Drake... the later three which I've read that you actually do
consider part of the Family even if not on your published Tree)].

With relation to Disney Comics in the US, after listening to the posts
from those outside the US, or those preparing comics for publication
outside of the US, it would seem that we in the US exist in a pocket
Disney Universe where there are all kinds of restrictions on what can
and cannot appear in a Disney Comic. While outside of the US it is
basically restriction free (within reasonable *good taste*, I'm sure).

-Rich (xephyr)
http://www.jps.net/xephyr/rich/disney.html
Harry Fluks
RICH and CHRIS:

Could you please minimise the quotes in your message? Usually, 4 lines
of a quoted message is enough to remind us of the subject that is
discussed. Less quotes means smaller messages, which can be read a lot
faster and easier.

Thanks.
--Harry.
Benoit Moulin
hello from Paris,

I want to know where can I find all the characters of disney.
I need a list of all the characters that have been created since the first
one...
if somebody has some information about this please answer me by E-mail at
(Email removed)
thanks
Kriton Kyrimis
MARCO:

Thanks for the information on the Olympic Games stories. From what little
I've seen of Scarpa's work, I'd never have guessed that the Munich story
was by him--I agree it's not one of his best.

> There exist two versions; Kryton has read the first one, while in the second
> one (published eight, or maybe twelve years later) an aftersequel of roughly
> 16 pages was added, again by Scarpa.

This story was reprinted in Greece several years later, with all
references to the Munich Olympics changed to something else, even though
the Munich Olympic stadium was certainly recognizable. I've no idea if
this was the story with the extra pages, though.

> I don't believe it was ever reprinted as a whole in Italy (which is why
> Kriton didn't see it, since probably most non-Italian editions come not from
> the original printing but from the "Classici" reprints...).

The main reason I didn't see it is that in 1986 I switched to the
Gladstones, so if the story was printed in Greece, I wouldn't know about
it. Most Greek titles, apart from KOMIX, get lots of stuff from Italy,
so they might have gotten the 1988 Olympics story as well.

EVERYONE:

Regarding the name of Mickey's City, I'd like to mention that Greek comics
have always called it just that: "Mickey City". I rather like the name,
even if it is not canonical.
--
Kriton (e-mail: (Email removed))
(WWW: http://dias.cti.gr/~kyrimis
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"Oh, it's quite all right, Jamie. The planet is quite safe. There's just
going to be a localised volcanic eruption. It'll only affect the island."
"Maybe so. But we happen to be *on* the island!"
"Oh, my WORD!"
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David Gerstein
RICH:
[Re: Gus and Jaq]
>But if interesting and believable stories can be written to
>justify their continued existence in Duckburg, then so-be-it. I guess
>the one thing that should stop, would be the sub-titling where they
>are referred to as "The Cinderella Mice."
Actually, that sub-titling stopped in 1952, I think.
[Re: Wolves]
>I guess the one real way things might be affected with the cessation of
>crossovers would be the whole notion of the Three Little Pigs and Li'l Bad as
>JUNIOR WOODCHUCKS and therefore interacting with HD&L.
I've only ever seen them as Woodchucks in ONE story (a D-coded one,
published in Disney Comics' JUNIOR WOODCHUCKS miniseries #4). Are there
more?
>I like the Wolfs and the Pigs as members of the Duck & Mouse Universe.
I don't, IMHO. The Wolf & Rabbit Universe (or whatever we want to
call it ;-) is a more elemental, primitive, anthropomorphic community, in
which the characters' animal species is still important and some ground
rules of nature (atavism) remain heavily in play. Since, by contrast, the
Ducks and Mice tend to be treated as humans, the juxtaposition seems
awkward.
>> [Regarding Mim and Magica as roommates]
>In these Brazillian tales, does Magica's niece live with them, or is she just
>an ocassional visitor?
Minima is just a visitor as far as I can tell.
[Re: Quack Pack]
>I think Daisy's new persona is awesome and would love to see her that way in
>the comics, which brings up another thought: Who has the rights to "Quack
>Pack" for comics? If it's Acclaim, they're not using them .... I don't recall
>even seeing a "Quack Pack" comic in DISNEY ADVENTURES.
There's a 4-page QUACK PACK in DA this month, and much to their
credit, while it uses the new costumes for the characters, it reads like a
fairly normal Donald story (albeit one where Daisy is shown quite
favorably, natch).
[Re: Acclaim titles]
>The emphasis of the two books is different as the titles indicate, so the
>stories in ACTION CLUB are more adventuresome & physical whereas
>the ones appearing in ENCHANTING STORIES seem to be of a
>more emotional and interpersonal nature.
This is because they're purposely trying to aim the former title at
boys and the latter one at girls. I figure I'm going out on a limb here,
but it says something about this country's notions of what kids of each
gender are "supposed" to grow up thinking about, no?
Of course, I know few fans of one Acclaim comic who aren't buying
the other, but just the same...

MARCO:
>Now that David made me recall this thing, is there some nice guy who can
>tell me something about this <Mighty Mouse>?
"Mighty Mouse" was your garden-variety cartoon series (produced
1942-1961, again in the mid-1970s, and then in the mid-1980s) about a
super-powered mouse. The size of a real mouse, living in what passed for a
mouse community under the feet of humans, although these mice are fully
humanized themselves. Mighty was usually fighting (A) fairy-tale-type
villains who were out to destroy some cuddly little innocents; (B) a
natural disaster, or (C) the evil Oil Can Harry, a top-hatted cat who had
designs on Mighty's girlfriend Pearl Pureheart and usually vied with Mighty
in a series of exaggerated opera parodies.
"Mighty Mouse", a production of the comparatively uninspired Paul
Terry animation studio, was successful enough in its day and was rerun on
television through the mid-1980s. Then John Kricfalusi (later the creator
of REN AND STIMPY) was assigned to do a new version for Ralph Bakshi's
studio. This new version was very creative and had a lot of edgy, racy
humor in it. But rather tellingly, it was largely a *satire* of the
original "Mighty Mouse", and most modern viewers seem to have preferred it
to its inspiration. I guess the original series dates pretty badly (not a
big fan of it, I'm really not the one to judge, I think).
The MIGHTY MOUSE comic (published at various times by Marvel
(1940s, 1980s), Pines (1950s) and Western (1960s-1970s) has had a fairly
checkered shelf life, but it hasn't been published since around 1990.

MARK:
>I really liked the latest Mickey story of yours that Gladstone just
>printed in WDC&S
Thanks! "The Cavern in the Shifting Sands" (WDC&S 617) was
inspired by my actual trip to the sand dunes shown in the story. Travel is
not merely educational, it's profitable ;-)
>I sure hope that Gladstone is going to keep printing your Mickey stories ...
>do you think it would be possible to update us about any U.S printings
>of your Mickey stories that are coming up?
As of now, I know that my earlier "The Egg Collector" -- another
story with Butch -- is also slated to be published, but an issue hasn't
been decided on (it was to have gone into #619, but has been bumped ahead a
couple of issues).
Gladstone does have a fair number of my more recent Mickey stories
in hand, ready to use ("The Timber Topper" with Eega Beeva among them), but
I think they're waiting for reader response to my first two, before they
schedule any of the others.
>[Worlds of Westfield] don't seem to always give writer notice unless it's
>Barks
>or Rosa...
By this token, you'll want to note that the Mickey story Westfield
lists as "Hocus Pocus" (in WDC&S 620) is actually "Hocus Pocus Hypnosis" by
John Lustig and Noel Van Horn, or so John Clark told me yesterday.

DON:
> A couple of weeks ago, I was at MacFrugal's, a chain of
> stores selling factory remainders
A certain rich, top-hatted duck is bothering me now to find out
from you what states those stores are located in.
The rubber action figures you mention are all from the PERILS OF
MICKEY series, issued in 1993. There is a "Mail Pilot" subseries, too,
with a Sylvester Shyster figure I'd love to get if I could find one. The
figure has him in his royal robes... it's a pity that there's never been a
figure of him in his normal top-hat and broadcloth coat. Oh, well.

David Gerstein

<(Email removed)>
Also <(Email removed)>
Fabrizio
Kryton and Marco wrote:

> >To justify all this talk on this off-topic subject, I'd like to talk about
> >Disney comics written for the Olympic Games.
> >
>
> Most of these were probably produced in Italy, so I feel I should be able to
> give a hand in tracing them down. However I immediately got stuck with the
> 1972 Mexico story quoted by Kryton: I vaguely remember it, but nothing more.
> But:
>
> >
> >Then, in 1972, I read a Mickey story that took place during the 1972
> >Olympics. This time, while vacationing in Greece, Mickey and Goofy
> >stumble upon an archaeologist who had just found a beheaded statue
> >of the ancient Greek athlete Goofion who, apart from the missing
> >head, had a remarkable resemblance to Goofy.
>
> This is certainly "Pippo e i parastinchi di Olimpia", written and drawn by
> Romano Scarpa. Not certainly one of his best, but, given the period,
> certainly not among his worst.

I do not agree here.
IMVHO it IS one his best stories. Let's say "I
parastinchi di Olimpia" is within his 20 best stories. As for the
art; well, I consider that period as his BEST, although plots are not
so good as those he wrote during the 50es and 60ies.

> There exist two versions; Kryton has read the first one, while in the second
> one (published eight, or maybe twelve years later) an aftersequel of roughly
> 16 pages was added, again by Scarpa.
>
> >
> >In 1976, the fat comic book contained a short, forgettable, duck story
> >about the Montreal Games, along with other unrelated stuff, and this is
> >the last time I am aware of a special Olympics issue in Greece, though
> >I suppose there must have been others.

That must be a story by Giancarlo Gatti published on the "Classico"
n. 68 (first series) called "Paperolimpiadi" (note that the title is
almost - apart from the missing article "Le"- the same as Scarpa's
1988 story). I agree 100% that it's a bad story. That issue was
the last "sport-oriented" of the first run of "I classici".

>
> To which Christpher added:
>
> >One such story that I have never seen discussed anywhere was the story
> >in several 1988 issues of TOPOLINO revolving around the Summer Olympic
> >Games in Seoul.
>
> This again was written and drawn by Romano Scarpa. The original name of the
> story is "Paperolimpiadi" (Duck Olympics) and it appeared from issue 1705 to
> issue 1712 of "Topolino". In this story Scarpa managed to insert almost
> every Disneyan character he had (up to then) created.

If I am not wrong, the only remarkable missing character is Atomino
bip-bip.

> I don't believe it was ever reprinted as a whole in Italy

Ah, ah ! You are not right here. It WAS reprinted in the summer
1996 during the Atlanta Olympic games, on a one-shot special issue
of "I Classici" called "Disney Olimpiadi" or so.
Sorry I cannot be more specific, but I just could not find that issue
in my collection right now.

Best regards,

Fabrizio Cellerini
Thomas Lauritsen
Don Rosa wrote in #200:
> Okay, here's the retraction sent to me by Gary Davenport. With his
> permission, I post it here so we can be done with the matter and move
on...

Gary Davenport wrote a retraction to me too:

> Mr. Lauitsen:
>
> Due to my impulsiveness, I made personal and critical remarks that were
best
> left unsaid about one Don Rosa. In thinking aloud, I was out of line and
> followed the wrong avenue to express them. The item in question is in the
> best hands and no due obligation by Rosa is warranted.
>
> I offer my apologies to you and this includes any embarrasment I have
caused.
>
> Gary Davenport

Thomas

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Thomas Lauritsen - [(Email removed)]
[http://home6.inet.tele.dk/tpl/]
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Bhc
Marco:

To spin wildly - though not absolutely positively - off topic, I was a
besotted Mighty Mouse fanatic when I was a young sprat. I watched the
cartoons with a religious fervor, and grabbed everything Mighty Mouse that
I could find: coloring books, children's storybooks, bubblebath, you name
it. But one thing I hardly ever saw was a Mighty Mouse comic book. I've
always thought that rather strange, but as my interest in the character
pretty much burned out by the time I was eight, I've never seriously looked
into the matter.

This I do recollect: Mighty Mouse first appeared in a TerryToons cartoon (I
don't remember the title, though "Mighty Mouse" doesn't seem unlikely) as a
rather generic animated mouse who, harrassed by a cat, finds momentary
refuge in a supermarket, where he consumes such items as Super Soup and
Super Celery to become Mighty Mouse, complete with a red and *blue*
costume. I suppose this could have been meant as a cross between Mickey
Mouse and Superman, but the overall design of the production suggests it
was a one-off poke at Superman specifically.

Gary

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Poul S. Frøkjær
Partly off topic, but here goes...

I just (as well as the rest of you, I guess) read the saga of the lost =
duck lamp.

DON ROSA and STEVEN ROWE:

What struck me the most was not what happened or didn=B4t happen those =
many years ago, but that both of you seemed pretty annoyed that Thomas =
Lauritsen had printed his mysterious mail here in this ML (Right?).

I don=B4t know Thomas personally, but feel that I must defend his decision =
about passing on that mail. Remember: this time you (Rosa) got to know =
about a rumour and could respond to it. What about rumours that everyone =
but you know about? Aren=B4t they worse? If this message was sent to =
Thomas that Davenport didn=B4t know at all it could be send to anyone (and =
may have been?).

That said I understand fully that it is pretty annoying to be confronted =
with that sort of gossip, but I think you are both shooting the messenger =
boy.

Poul Frokjar

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End of Disney comics Digest V97 Issue #201
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Junebug97
Please do not send me anymore

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Fluks, H.W.
POUL:

>> Remember: this time you (Rosa) got to know about a rumour and could
>> respond to it. What about rumours that everyone but you know about?

The best thing the "messenger boy" could have done, was check with Don
first, in private mail (in stead of through this *very* public mailing
list).
BTW, I still don't understand what mr. Davenport wanted to accomplish
with his
mail in the first place...

--Harry.
>((Email removed))
Shaun M. Knowler
Sorry for interrupting the regularily scheduled digest, but...
LAURENT LEHMANN! Contact me in e-mail! I lost your address!
Ok, now back to stuff that you might care about!
-Shaun
Arild
Kriton wrote:
>To justify all this talk on this off-topic subject, I'd like to talk about
>Disney comics written for the Olympic Games.

And several responses have been mentioning storys about the 1972, the 1976
and the 1988 games, but noone has mentioned the story conserning the
1994-Lillehammer games(D93287) ? (..or did I fail to read someone mentioning
this?)

The story itself is not directly about the Olympics itself (though it
certainly has references), but it is drawn by our beloved Don Rosa!! That
makes it more than special enough to be mentioned. ..to me at least. It was
really cool to see Norwegian scenery drawn by Don!

And DON:
Its been to long since I've said this: I absolutely love your work!

_____________________________________________________
Arild - (Email removed)
--Check out the FIFA-ranking. Norway are number 8!!--
Alexander Gruenke
I haven't had the time to read the last digests so if this was still
mentioned... Here are the official locations for Don Rosas visit in
Germany which I've found on the Ehapa Homepage a few seconds ago:

Gieáen, 27.10.1997
12 bis 14 Uhr: Karstadt
16 bis 18 Uhr: Bahnhofsbuchhandlung Wissner

Mainz, 28.10.1997
10.30 Uhr bis 13 Uhr: Zapp-Comics

Wrzburg, 28.10.1997
16 bis 18 Uhr: Hermkes Bcherstube

Mannheim, 29.10.1997
12 bis 14 Uhr: Comicothek

Heilbronn, 29.10.1997
16 bis 18 Uhr: Comic-Zentrum

Karlsruhe, 30.10.1997
11 bis 13 Uhr: Comic Power
16 bis 18 Uhr: Terminal Entertainment

Ulm, 31.10.1997
11 bis 13 Uhr: Comic Splash

Mnchen, 31.10.1997
16 bis 18 Uhr: Jrgens Comic Shop

Greetings - Alexander
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