BYRON ERICKSON wrote:
<<Actually, there already is a "prod" to underachieving artists and writers.
It's called "editors." Just _try_ to get something substandard past the
Egmont editorial staff these days!>>
This is true enough, but that doesn't mean that artists and writers can't get
into
a "comfort zone" in which they coast for a while on gags and techniques that
have worked in the past. That was always my complaint with the weaker
Gutenberghus Group material that appeared in Gladstone comics in the 1980's;
it was always professionally done, but some of the stories just seemed to
be going through the motions. This is less of a problem now, but for any
creators who slip into NEW versions of "comfort zones," the inclusion of
credits may prove a useful motivating factor.
<<I always thought Magica was one of Barks's weaker villains:
too fantastic to take seriously, too much of an "anything-can-happen"
wild card in a series that needs a little more grounding in realism,
and the whole quest for the Number One Dime too contrived to be very
involving. Even Don Rosa seems to have to strain to make her work
since he can't believe Old Number One is really what she thinks it
is -- the magic talisman and good-luck charm that more than hard work
and brains is the key to Scrooge's fortune. (Though I do cherish the
"sideways gravity" story!)>>
Perhaps MDS is one of those characters who is only as effective as the
the plot or script in which she is embedded. Barks' later Old Number 1
Dime stories were indeed rather contrived, but the first one is still
very effective in my opinion. MDS seemed a lot more impressive to me
summoning the forces of nature in "For Old Dime's Sake" than running the
face-changing scam in "The Many Faces of MDS."
-- Christopher E. Barat
(Email removed)
http://members.aol.com/cebarat/home.htm
"HARP IS MINE NOW, SO STOP HARPING ABOUT IT!" -- Magica, "DuckTales"
episode "Raiders of the Lost Harp"
Author
Topic: 199709
(341 messages)
Cebarat
Disney Comics Digest V97 #208
Message 316 -
1997-09-29 at 05:35:49
Dave Rawson
Disney comics Digest V97 #209
Message 317 -
1997-09-29 at 07:51:15
Harry Fluks <(Email removed)>:
> SOEREN:
> > an ironic twopager about how a Disney comic is produced...
>
> This is probably some material that was made for internal Egmont use,
> which I think was part of the syllabus to the Egmont seminar of a few
> weeks ago. Can anyone confirm that?
These were posters presented at the seminar, yes, but with broader use
in mind, as I recall. Byron would have the best explanation, if he has
the time to put it forth.
--
riverrun past Eve's and Adam's from swerve of shore to bend of bay
(Email removed) -=*=- http://users.aol.com/dcrawson/home.htm
> SOEREN:
> > an ironic twopager about how a Disney comic is produced...
>
> This is probably some material that was made for internal Egmont use,
> which I think was part of the syllabus to the Egmont seminar of a few
> weeks ago. Can anyone confirm that?
These were posters presented at the seminar, yes, but with broader use
in mind, as I recall. Byron would have the best explanation, if he has
the time to put it forth.
--
riverrun past Eve's and Adam's from swerve of shore to bend of bay
(Email removed) -=*=- http://users.aol.com/dcrawson/home.htm
Dr. Archontis Pantsios
ROSA SURVEY: PART I
Message 318 -
1997-09-29 at 12:00:31
FELLOW DUCKFANS:
*PROLOGUE*
This survey originated in a rather spontaneous fashion: in late June-early
July a number of postings appeared in our List where people wrote in their
Rosa favorite stories. Hence I decided that summer would probably be more
fun if I contacted a Rosa survey asking people their Rosa favorites in a
number of categories. After extending the initial deadline of July 31 to
September 15, I lay back and saw the responses pouring in.
Before I proceed with the sample's description, let me announce the WINNER
of the Prize Drawing: THOMAS LAURITSEN won a copy of the Greek KOMIX with
Rosa's "Return to Xanadu". Thomas, please send me your snail mail address so
I can send you the comic book.
*SAMPLE'S DESCRIPTION*
I advertised the Survey mainly in our List, but I also sent the
Questionnaire to a few people off this List. Our List's Administrator, Per
Starback was also kind enough to advertize the Survey in his web-pages.
By September 15, I received a total of 35 replies. The mean age of the
respondents was 27 years while the median was 26. 10 respondents were in
their teens, 12 in their twenties, 8 in their thirties, and 5 in their
forties. 33 (94%) were male and only 2 female (6%). The distribution by
nationality was as follows:
USA: 7
NORWAY: 6
GERMANY: 4
SWEDEN: 4
NEW ZEALAND: 2
NETHERLANDS: 2
ITALY: 2
GREECE: 2
FINLAND: 2
DENMARK: 2
CANADA: 1
FRANCE: 1
TOTAL: 35
STATISTICAL RESULTS:
A) BEST COVER: (26 respondents)
1. SCROOGE McDUCK IN THE YUKON, WD Giant 1, 10 votes (38%)
2. KING OF THE KLONDIKE, US 292, 8 votes (31%)
3. GUARDIANS OF THE LOST LIBRARY, USA 27, 4 votes (15%)
4. Last Sled to Dawson, USA 5, 3 votes (11%)
Golden Fleecing, USA 30, 3 votes (11%)
Uncle Scrooge Poses With #1, US 300, 3 votes
The following covers received 2 votes each: "Super Snooper Strikes Again"
(DDDA #34), "Two in One" (USA #44), "Lentils From Babylon" (USA #31),
"Return to Xanadu" (US #261), "Treasury of Croesus" (WDC #602), "North of
the Yukon" (US #278), "Empire Builder From Calisota" (US #295), "Back to
Long Ago" (US #279), "Son of the Sun" (US #219), "Lost Charts of Colombus"
(DDA #43), "Terror of the Transvaal" (US 290), "The Duck Who Fell to Earth"
(DDDA #37).
A number of covers each received one vote, but for obvious reasons of time
and space I chose not to list them.
MY COMMENTS: It's interesting to note that the two top vote-getters in this
category seem to be variations on the same theme! That is, they both show a
young Scrooge as a gold prospector in the Yukon. Actually if you compare the
top vote-getter with #4 ("Last Sled to Dawson") they only differ by the
addition of Glittering Goldie. It's obvious that Duck fans love to see
Scrooge at his prime!
Also a number of respondents mentioned that Egmont publishes very few Rosa
covers so that many Europeans not having easy access to Gladstone haven't
seen a fair number of Rosa's covers.
B) BEST OPENING SPLASH PANEL (20 respondents)
1. "ATTACK OF THE HIDEOUS SPACE VARMINTS", D96203, 12 votes (60%) (The
scene shows Scrooge among the planets)
2. "HEARTS OF THE YUKON", D95044, 8 votes (40%) (The scene shows a young
prospector Scrooge nearing snowy Dawson city with the aurora borealis
dangling from the sky)
3. "TREASURY OF CROESUS", D94012, 5 votes (25%) (The scene shows the Money
Bin wethering yet another attack--this time a weird one from Magica)
4. "Return To Xanadu", D90314, 3 votes (15%) (The scene shows Scrooge and
his kin among a number of Scrooge's trophies)
"The Tenth Avatar", D95153, 3 votes (15%) (The scene shows Scrooge and
the kids on a river-boat with Indian scenery in the background)
5. The following received two votes each: "Richest Duck in the World"
(D93488), "The Once and Future Duck" (D95079), "A Matter of Some Gravity"
(D96001), "Lo$ Introduction" (D91308), "The Duck Who Never Was" (D93574)
MY COMMENTS: It seems that the opening splash of "Varmints" is really in a
class of its own--no real competition! And isn't interesting that we have in
the second place yet another depiction of a young Scrooge in the Yukon!
C) BEST INTERIOR SPLASH PANEL (21 respondents)
1. "HEARTS OF THE YUKON", pg. 20/1, D95044, 8 votes (38%) ("Fire scene in
the Blackjack Ballroom with Scrooge and Goldie")
2. "RETURN TO XANADU", pg. 10/5, D90314, 5 votes (24%) ("The Ducks View
Tralla-La")
3. "KING OF THE KLONDIKE", pg. 17/1, D92514, 4 votes (19%) ("Scrooge
Walking down the Main Street in Dawson--hell breaks loose around him")
4. "The Vigilante of Pizen Bluff", 3-parter, pg. 17/1, D96089, 3 votes (14%)
("The town of Pizen Bluff and blow-ups of where the main characters are
positioned therein"
"Treasure Under Glass", pg. 16/1, D90227, 3 votes (14%) ("Glass dome
bursts up from underwater")
The following received two votes each: "The Son of the Sun", pg. 22, AR102,
"Last Sled to Dawson", pg. 18, AR 113, "Billionaire of Dismal Downs", pg. 5,
D93121, "Last Sled to Dawson", last page, AR 113, "The Terror of the
Transvaal", pg. 6, D92273, "Incident at McDuck Tower", pg. 9, D90345
MY COMMENTS: Did you notice what topped the field?
RESPONDENTS' COMMENTS: A fellow wrote that "Nobody can draw real action into
a panel/splash panel like Don can--just look at all the Pertwillaby Papers
and Captain Kentucky. Nevertheless I've chosen three "quiet" splash panels
with moods or mystique..." And he added: "I wish that the panel on page 10
in 'Son of the Sun' with the plane's wingtips scratching the mountainsides
was a splash panel. Then that would have been my first choice as that image
really hooked me up on Don Rosa."
Well, that ends PART I--for the more juicy stuff (BEST STORIES, etc) stay
"tuned"!
Archontis
*PROLOGUE*
This survey originated in a rather spontaneous fashion: in late June-early
July a number of postings appeared in our List where people wrote in their
Rosa favorite stories. Hence I decided that summer would probably be more
fun if I contacted a Rosa survey asking people their Rosa favorites in a
number of categories. After extending the initial deadline of July 31 to
September 15, I lay back and saw the responses pouring in.
Before I proceed with the sample's description, let me announce the WINNER
of the Prize Drawing: THOMAS LAURITSEN won a copy of the Greek KOMIX with
Rosa's "Return to Xanadu". Thomas, please send me your snail mail address so
I can send you the comic book.
*SAMPLE'S DESCRIPTION*
I advertised the Survey mainly in our List, but I also sent the
Questionnaire to a few people off this List. Our List's Administrator, Per
Starback was also kind enough to advertize the Survey in his web-pages.
By September 15, I received a total of 35 replies. The mean age of the
respondents was 27 years while the median was 26. 10 respondents were in
their teens, 12 in their twenties, 8 in their thirties, and 5 in their
forties. 33 (94%) were male and only 2 female (6%). The distribution by
nationality was as follows:
USA: 7
NORWAY: 6
GERMANY: 4
SWEDEN: 4
NEW ZEALAND: 2
NETHERLANDS: 2
ITALY: 2
GREECE: 2
FINLAND: 2
DENMARK: 2
CANADA: 1
FRANCE: 1
TOTAL: 35
STATISTICAL RESULTS:
A) BEST COVER: (26 respondents)
1. SCROOGE McDUCK IN THE YUKON, WD Giant 1, 10 votes (38%)
2. KING OF THE KLONDIKE, US 292, 8 votes (31%)
3. GUARDIANS OF THE LOST LIBRARY, USA 27, 4 votes (15%)
4. Last Sled to Dawson, USA 5, 3 votes (11%)
Golden Fleecing, USA 30, 3 votes (11%)
Uncle Scrooge Poses With #1, US 300, 3 votes
The following covers received 2 votes each: "Super Snooper Strikes Again"
(DDDA #34), "Two in One" (USA #44), "Lentils From Babylon" (USA #31),
"Return to Xanadu" (US #261), "Treasury of Croesus" (WDC #602), "North of
the Yukon" (US #278), "Empire Builder From Calisota" (US #295), "Back to
Long Ago" (US #279), "Son of the Sun" (US #219), "Lost Charts of Colombus"
(DDA #43), "Terror of the Transvaal" (US 290), "The Duck Who Fell to Earth"
(DDDA #37).
A number of covers each received one vote, but for obvious reasons of time
and space I chose not to list them.
MY COMMENTS: It's interesting to note that the two top vote-getters in this
category seem to be variations on the same theme! That is, they both show a
young Scrooge as a gold prospector in the Yukon. Actually if you compare the
top vote-getter with #4 ("Last Sled to Dawson") they only differ by the
addition of Glittering Goldie. It's obvious that Duck fans love to see
Scrooge at his prime!
Also a number of respondents mentioned that Egmont publishes very few Rosa
covers so that many Europeans not having easy access to Gladstone haven't
seen a fair number of Rosa's covers.
B) BEST OPENING SPLASH PANEL (20 respondents)
1. "ATTACK OF THE HIDEOUS SPACE VARMINTS", D96203, 12 votes (60%) (The
scene shows Scrooge among the planets)
2. "HEARTS OF THE YUKON", D95044, 8 votes (40%) (The scene shows a young
prospector Scrooge nearing snowy Dawson city with the aurora borealis
dangling from the sky)
3. "TREASURY OF CROESUS", D94012, 5 votes (25%) (The scene shows the Money
Bin wethering yet another attack--this time a weird one from Magica)
4. "Return To Xanadu", D90314, 3 votes (15%) (The scene shows Scrooge and
his kin among a number of Scrooge's trophies)
"The Tenth Avatar", D95153, 3 votes (15%) (The scene shows Scrooge and
the kids on a river-boat with Indian scenery in the background)
5. The following received two votes each: "Richest Duck in the World"
(D93488), "The Once and Future Duck" (D95079), "A Matter of Some Gravity"
(D96001), "Lo$ Introduction" (D91308), "The Duck Who Never Was" (D93574)
MY COMMENTS: It seems that the opening splash of "Varmints" is really in a
class of its own--no real competition! And isn't interesting that we have in
the second place yet another depiction of a young Scrooge in the Yukon!
C) BEST INTERIOR SPLASH PANEL (21 respondents)
1. "HEARTS OF THE YUKON", pg. 20/1, D95044, 8 votes (38%) ("Fire scene in
the Blackjack Ballroom with Scrooge and Goldie")
2. "RETURN TO XANADU", pg. 10/5, D90314, 5 votes (24%) ("The Ducks View
Tralla-La")
3. "KING OF THE KLONDIKE", pg. 17/1, D92514, 4 votes (19%) ("Scrooge
Walking down the Main Street in Dawson--hell breaks loose around him")
4. "The Vigilante of Pizen Bluff", 3-parter, pg. 17/1, D96089, 3 votes (14%)
("The town of Pizen Bluff and blow-ups of where the main characters are
positioned therein"
"Treasure Under Glass", pg. 16/1, D90227, 3 votes (14%) ("Glass dome
bursts up from underwater")
The following received two votes each: "The Son of the Sun", pg. 22, AR102,
"Last Sled to Dawson", pg. 18, AR 113, "Billionaire of Dismal Downs", pg. 5,
D93121, "Last Sled to Dawson", last page, AR 113, "The Terror of the
Transvaal", pg. 6, D92273, "Incident at McDuck Tower", pg. 9, D90345
MY COMMENTS: Did you notice what topped the field?
RESPONDENTS' COMMENTS: A fellow wrote that "Nobody can draw real action into
a panel/splash panel like Don can--just look at all the Pertwillaby Papers
and Captain Kentucky. Nevertheless I've chosen three "quiet" splash panels
with moods or mystique..." And he added: "I wish that the panel on page 10
in 'Son of the Sun' with the plane's wingtips scratching the mountainsides
was a splash panel. Then that would have been my first choice as that image
really hooked me up on Don Rosa."
Well, that ends PART I--for the more juicy stuff (BEST STORIES, etc) stay
"tuned"!
Archontis
Dr. Archontis Pantsios
Greek KOMIX #112: A Letter by Bill Grandey...and more!
Message 319 -
1997-09-29 at 12:34:01
FELLOW QUACKERS:
In the most recent issue of KOMIX (#112, October 1997) an editorial feature
can be found on Barks at 96. Among the many nice pictrures it also contains
a letter that the Barks Studio sent Mr. Terzopoulos (KOMIX's publisher)
commenting on a number of items. Here's the translation of the letter signed
by Bill Grandey, Barks' manager:
"July 6 1997
Dear Christos (Terzopoulos):
We just received your letter...We enclose information on Carl Barks' current
activities. He just turned 96. HE COMPLETED A NEW STORY WITH DONALD FOR
EGMONT PUBLICATIONS. IT'S A 28-PAGE STORY. (My capitalization).
Carl is very happy that Uncle Scrooge continues to enjoy such a
popularity...HOWEVER HE'S VERY DISPLEASED BY THE ADDITION OF HOLLYWOOD
HEROES (My note: My gosh, if that isn't an indirect jab at Don Rosa, I don't
know what is!) and of other superheroes in some of the current Scrooge
stories. Some readers may like that but these stories end up looking
identical to all the others in the market. The original characterization
remains unique.
We appreciate your concern on Carl's welfare. We'll try to keep you informed
on any new developments.
Best wishes,
Bill Grandey"
Now isn't it interesting that whenever a chance is given the Barks Studio
launches an attack on Don Rosa? Why do they fell so threatened?
KOMIX also advertises a new gift to all new and old subscribers: a really
RARE book, Carl Bark's very FIRST effort in the comic book medium will be
sent free to all subscribers. This is the 51-page story "PLUTO SAVES THE
SHIP". I believe that not even Gladstone has published that extremely rare
story.
KOMIX offers international subscriptions at US$60 for an annual subsription
of 12 issues. (The annual subscription within Greece costs only $23 but I
guess they send the books air-mail to international subscribers). They
accept all major credit cards. Anyone interested can write to:
KOMIX Magazine
Fraggoklisias 7
GR-151 25 Marousi
GREECE
Tel: (30)1-689-6366
Fax: (30)1-680-6631
e-mail: (Email removed)
Signing out,
Archontis
--------------------------------
End of Disney comics Digest V97 Issue #210
******************************************
In the most recent issue of KOMIX (#112, October 1997) an editorial feature
can be found on Barks at 96. Among the many nice pictrures it also contains
a letter that the Barks Studio sent Mr. Terzopoulos (KOMIX's publisher)
commenting on a number of items. Here's the translation of the letter signed
by Bill Grandey, Barks' manager:
"July 6 1997
Dear Christos (Terzopoulos):
We just received your letter...We enclose information on Carl Barks' current
activities. He just turned 96. HE COMPLETED A NEW STORY WITH DONALD FOR
EGMONT PUBLICATIONS. IT'S A 28-PAGE STORY. (My capitalization).
Carl is very happy that Uncle Scrooge continues to enjoy such a
popularity...HOWEVER HE'S VERY DISPLEASED BY THE ADDITION OF HOLLYWOOD
HEROES (My note: My gosh, if that isn't an indirect jab at Don Rosa, I don't
know what is!) and of other superheroes in some of the current Scrooge
stories. Some readers may like that but these stories end up looking
identical to all the others in the market. The original characterization
remains unique.
We appreciate your concern on Carl's welfare. We'll try to keep you informed
on any new developments.
Best wishes,
Bill Grandey"
Now isn't it interesting that whenever a chance is given the Barks Studio
launches an attack on Don Rosa? Why do they fell so threatened?
KOMIX also advertises a new gift to all new and old subscribers: a really
RARE book, Carl Bark's very FIRST effort in the comic book medium will be
sent free to all subscribers. This is the 51-page story "PLUTO SAVES THE
SHIP". I believe that not even Gladstone has published that extremely rare
story.
KOMIX offers international subscriptions at US$60 for an annual subsription
of 12 issues. (The annual subscription within Greece costs only $23 but I
guess they send the books air-mail to international subscribers). They
accept all major credit cards. Anyone interested can write to:
KOMIX Magazine
Fraggoklisias 7
GR-151 25 Marousi
GREECE
Tel: (30)1-689-6366
Fax: (30)1-680-6631
e-mail: (Email removed)
Signing out,
Archontis
--------------------------------
End of Disney comics Digest V97 Issue #210
******************************************
Fluks, H.W.
Greek KOMIX #112
Message 320 -
1997-09-29 at 12:53:22
Archontis:
>This is the 51-page story "PLUTO SAVES THE
>SHIP". I believe that not even Gladstone has published that extremely rare
>story.
The story was reprinted in the Carl Barks Library (the b/w 30-book
set). But nowhere else, I think.
>--Harry.
>This is the 51-page story "PLUTO SAVES THE
>SHIP". I believe that not even Gladstone has published that extremely rare
>story.
The story was reprinted in the Carl Barks Library (the b/w 30-book
set). But nowhere else, I think.
>--Harry.
Håkon Malmedal
U$ in Norwegian newspaper.
Message 321 -
1997-09-29 at 14:25:08
Monday's edition of the Norwegian newspaper Verdens Gang has a list of
Norway's 500 richest people, and $crooge is of course on the front page:
http://www.vg.no/nyheter/dagens_vg/assets/images/970929.gif
Does anyone recognize where this picture is taken from?
--
________________________________________________________________________
Håkon Malmedal (Email removed)
http://www.stud.ntnu.no/~hakonma/
Norway's 500 richest people, and $crooge is of course on the front page:
http://www.vg.no/nyheter/dagens_vg/assets/images/970929.gif
Does anyone recognize where this picture is taken from?
--
________________________________________________________________________
Håkon Malmedal (Email removed)
http://www.stud.ntnu.no/~hakonma/
Luna Storta
Correction on Snow White
Message 322 -
1997-09-29 at 15:37:55
OOpps,
on my previous message about Snow White real ending I forgot to
translate two words between *.....
They must be read as "shoes on fire" (I'm not so sure about the real
translation, still).
Sorry for the inconvenience!
Ciao
Paolo Castagno
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on my previous message about Snow White real ending I forgot to
translate two words between *.....
They must be read as "shoes on fire" (I'm not so sure about the real
translation, still).
Sorry for the inconvenience!
Ciao
Paolo Castagno
______________________________________________________
Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com
Fluks, H.W.
U$ in Norwegian newspaper.
Message 323 -
1997-09-29 at 15:44:35
Haakon:
>Monday's edition of the Norwegian newspaper Verdens Gang [..]
>$crooge is of course on the front page:
>Does anyone recognize where this picture is taken from?
It's from the first page of the story in the first Uncle
Scrooge comic (Four color comic #386, or, in database notation:
W OS 386-02).
The layout, the background and the coins have been changed.
--Harry.
>"Free drugs in Holland, too?"
>Monday's edition of the Norwegian newspaper Verdens Gang [..]
>$crooge is of course on the front page:
>Does anyone recognize where this picture is taken from?
It's from the first page of the story in the first Uncle
Scrooge comic (Four color comic #386, or, in database notation:
W OS 386-02).
The layout, the background and the coins have been changed.
--Harry.
>"Free drugs in Holland, too?"
Leonardo Gori
Meeting at Lucca
Message 324 -
1997-09-29 at 16:44:44
Hi, all!
Im de-lurking for a while.
LUNA STORTA wrote:
>HARRY FLUKS:
>>Marco proposed to meet on sunday morning, which is OK with me. Is
>>anyone else from the List coming? Fabrizio or Paolo perhaps?
>Sure, Sunday is OK to me too, and I really hope to meet you all!!
Of course, I and Frank Stajano will be with you sunday morning!
Bye
Leonardo
Leonardo Gori
(Email removed)
(Email removed)
http://www.agora.stm.it/L.Gori/home.htm
Im de-lurking for a while.
LUNA STORTA wrote:
>HARRY FLUKS:
>>Marco proposed to meet on sunday morning, which is OK with me. Is
>>anyone else from the List coming? Fabrizio or Paolo perhaps?
>Sure, Sunday is OK to me too, and I really hope to meet you all!!
Of course, I and Frank Stajano will be with you sunday morning!
Bye
Leonardo
Leonardo Gori
(Email removed)
(Email removed)
http://www.agora.stm.it/L.Gori/home.htm
Byron Erickson
"How to Answer a Queston the Byron Way"
Message 325 -
1997-09-29 at 17:27:07
Which is to say, wait until someone else answers it for you.
But >sigh!< lots of people have mentioned the "How to Make a Disney
Comic the Egmont Way" feature, but no one's said *exactly* what it is
and why it was done.
"What it is" is an 18-panel comic strip explanation of the steps
involved in the production of a Disney comic book story at ECN. Each
panel has a caption explaining seriously one of the steps in the
production process. The drawings, on the other hand, are supposed to be
*funny* illustrations of the step, and they picture real ECN employees
as they go about their "work". (I say "supposed to be funny" because I
wrote all the gags and don't wan't to sound immodest. However, in my
more egotistical persona, I've been known to say that the jokes are
"----ing hilarious". (In my uncensored persona, I've even been known to
fill in those dashes with a naughty word.))
"Why it was done" was to have an interesting way to explain to business
types how a comic book is made. We got tired of trotting out the same
old boring overheads (complete with material flow charts and other even
more deadly dull graphics) everytime a new group of suits came to visit.
So we got Vicar to draw the thing, colored it up nicely, and made a
poster to pass out. At the same time, the feature was printed as the
center spread in an internal Egmont magazine. Later it was offered to
our various publishers to print as a feature in their comics (most
didn't). Later still it was put on the ECN homepage. Later eventually
I'll get really sick of the jokes.
We're sending copies of the poster version to all of our freelancers.
Anyone else interested in getting one? Too bad. They're not for sale.
(Unless, of course, you're willing to pay one of the aforementioned
freelancers a godawful amount of money for their copy.)
Or unless you want to sell ECN a copy of Set X of the Carl Barks Library
-- then I'll throw a poster in the deal as a freebie. Seriously, we need
that for our library, so if anyone knows of a source...
Finally, I never said what Christopher E. Barat said I said in Digest
#210. But I might have.
-- Byron "Come to think of it, those jokes aren't all that funny anyway"
Erickson
But >sigh!< lots of people have mentioned the "How to Make a Disney
Comic the Egmont Way" feature, but no one's said *exactly* what it is
and why it was done.
"What it is" is an 18-panel comic strip explanation of the steps
involved in the production of a Disney comic book story at ECN. Each
panel has a caption explaining seriously one of the steps in the
production process. The drawings, on the other hand, are supposed to be
*funny* illustrations of the step, and they picture real ECN employees
as they go about their "work". (I say "supposed to be funny" because I
wrote all the gags and don't wan't to sound immodest. However, in my
more egotistical persona, I've been known to say that the jokes are
"----ing hilarious". (In my uncensored persona, I've even been known to
fill in those dashes with a naughty word.))
"Why it was done" was to have an interesting way to explain to business
types how a comic book is made. We got tired of trotting out the same
old boring overheads (complete with material flow charts and other even
more deadly dull graphics) everytime a new group of suits came to visit.
So we got Vicar to draw the thing, colored it up nicely, and made a
poster to pass out. At the same time, the feature was printed as the
center spread in an internal Egmont magazine. Later it was offered to
our various publishers to print as a feature in their comics (most
didn't). Later still it was put on the ECN homepage. Later eventually
I'll get really sick of the jokes.
We're sending copies of the poster version to all of our freelancers.
Anyone else interested in getting one? Too bad. They're not for sale.
(Unless, of course, you're willing to pay one of the aforementioned
freelancers a godawful amount of money for their copy.)
Or unless you want to sell ECN a copy of Set X of the Carl Barks Library
-- then I'll throw a poster in the deal as a freebie. Seriously, we need
that for our library, so if anyone knows of a source...
Finally, I never said what Christopher E. Barat said I said in Digest
#210. But I might have.
-- Byron "Come to think of it, those jokes aren't all that funny anyway"
Erickson
David Gerstein
Disney Channel program of interest to us
Message 326 -
1997-09-29 at 19:52:53
Just thought I'd direct those of us who are interested to a new
show that started last night on the Disney Channel. Seems specifically
aimed at those who are really interested in the "classic" characters and
films.
The first episode contained STEAMBOAT WILLIE (1928), MICKEY'S
ORPHANS (1931), THE SIMPLE THINGS (1953), PLANE CRAZY (1928), THE KARNIVAL
KID (1929), THE POINTER (1939) and THE BAND CONCERT (1935) in that order.
The cartoons were all shown uncut (albeit for STEAMBOAT the 1953 re-release
print, which was already missing a scene) and in black and white even when
there were colorized versions available. This also marks the first time
the particularly rare KARNIVAL KID has *ever* been shown on TDC outside of
an old 1984 "Mickey Mouse Club" rerun, I believe.
The shows are organized around a theme, this one being "Mickey
Landmarks." An ad pointed out that "The Disney Cats" was one of the
upcoming shows, and a clip from 1929's WHEN THE CAT'S AWAY was shown, which
would make it the first airing that this one has had in many years. Anyone
who likes the vintage Gottfredson story "MM Vs. Kat Nipp" should wait for
it -- this is one of Nipp's THREE animated appearances.
The show, called "The Ink and Paint Club" is shown at 5 AM (!) on
Monday mornings. Nobody's awake then -- and that's their secret.
Obviously they figure they can show the uncensored shorts at that hour, and
no one will complain. All the more power to them! Set those VCRS...
David Gerstein
<(Email removed)>
show that started last night on the Disney Channel. Seems specifically
aimed at those who are really interested in the "classic" characters and
films.
The first episode contained STEAMBOAT WILLIE (1928), MICKEY'S
ORPHANS (1931), THE SIMPLE THINGS (1953), PLANE CRAZY (1928), THE KARNIVAL
KID (1929), THE POINTER (1939) and THE BAND CONCERT (1935) in that order.
The cartoons were all shown uncut (albeit for STEAMBOAT the 1953 re-release
print, which was already missing a scene) and in black and white even when
there were colorized versions available. This also marks the first time
the particularly rare KARNIVAL KID has *ever* been shown on TDC outside of
an old 1984 "Mickey Mouse Club" rerun, I believe.
The shows are organized around a theme, this one being "Mickey
Landmarks." An ad pointed out that "The Disney Cats" was one of the
upcoming shows, and a clip from 1929's WHEN THE CAT'S AWAY was shown, which
would make it the first airing that this one has had in many years. Anyone
who likes the vintage Gottfredson story "MM Vs. Kat Nipp" should wait for
it -- this is one of Nipp's THREE animated appearances.
The show, called "The Ink and Paint Club" is shown at 5 AM (!) on
Monday mornings. Nobody's awake then -- and that's their secret.
Obviously they figure they can show the uncensored shorts at that hour, and
no one will complain. All the more power to them! Set those VCRS...
David Gerstein
<(Email removed)>
Dave Rawson
Anders And & Co. Nr.39 25, September 1997
Message 327 -
1997-09-29 at 22:34:54
I just received my latest copy of the Danish weekly and in it I have two
stories back-to-back. For those who have a copy, you might find it an
interesting exercise to compare the two tales.
Each is a 6-page story. Each is written by me and edited by Byron
Erickson. D96284, THE LUNCHBREAK OF NOTRE DAME, was illustrated by
Rodriquez and D96207, LUCK OF THE DUCK, was illustrated by Massaroli.
Massaroli's art utilizes fuller figures, foreshortening (unusual for a
Disney comic), skewed angles and fairly frenetic art. Rodriquez is more
traditional. Each tells the story clearly (to my eye).
Remember, at Egmont we use full scripts, which means we indicate what is
to be drawn in each panel, as well as the dialog. For anyone who might
be so kind, I'm curious:
Is there anything to suggest these two stories were written by the same
person?
Do you find one story much superior to the other? If so, is it the
story-telling itself (understanding what's happening panel to panel), or
the art that disappoints? Or do you just find them different, rather
superior/inferior?
Are there any other reactions (pro or on) you have to these two stories
you might want to share?
Thanks for any feedback!
--
riverrun past Eve's and Adam's from swerve of shore to bend of bay
(Email removed) -=*=- http://users.aol.com/dcrawson/home.htm
stories back-to-back. For those who have a copy, you might find it an
interesting exercise to compare the two tales.
Each is a 6-page story. Each is written by me and edited by Byron
Erickson. D96284, THE LUNCHBREAK OF NOTRE DAME, was illustrated by
Rodriquez and D96207, LUCK OF THE DUCK, was illustrated by Massaroli.
Massaroli's art utilizes fuller figures, foreshortening (unusual for a
Disney comic), skewed angles and fairly frenetic art. Rodriquez is more
traditional. Each tells the story clearly (to my eye).
Remember, at Egmont we use full scripts, which means we indicate what is
to be drawn in each panel, as well as the dialog. For anyone who might
be so kind, I'm curious:
Is there anything to suggest these two stories were written by the same
person?
Do you find one story much superior to the other? If so, is it the
story-telling itself (understanding what's happening panel to panel), or
the art that disappoints? Or do you just find them different, rather
superior/inferior?
Are there any other reactions (pro or on) you have to these two stories
you might want to share?
Thanks for any feedback!
--
riverrun past Eve's and Adam's from swerve of shore to bend of bay
(Email removed) -=*=- http://users.aol.com/dcrawson/home.htm
Luna Storta
Disney pictures and I Classici
Message 328 -
1997-09-30 at 00:26:35
Hello,
Still about differences between Disney pictures and real tales:
The original version of Cinderella from Grimm Brothers is completely
different from Disney?s one: there isn?t a fairy, the shoe is in gold
not in crystal, and at the end two doves attack Cinderella?s evil
sisters and pick out their eyes(!). Definetively impossible to accept
for any Disney author!
LUCA BOSCHI (and the other italian readers):
Your last message about the stories you realized for Disney, reminded me
of a question: some years ago I Classici Disney was a really superb
publication with a main theme for each number, then suddenly they
started to publish stories with different charachters and with no more
title in front of them (just a generic "I classici Disney"). Now I think
it?s a very poor publication, and I have no interest in it. Maybe you
can do something for a kind of renovation for this publication? You
wrote the story about Mickey's 60 years... it would be nice to see it
published in a single number, the same for all those stories who have
something in common: I'm thinking about Il papero del mistero, or I
mercoledi' di Pippo, or (even better) the time machine adventures of
Mickey and Goofy)... What is your opinion?
Ciao!
Paolo Castagno alias Luna Storta
http://www.geocities.com/Paris/3088/index.html
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Still about differences between Disney pictures and real tales:
The original version of Cinderella from Grimm Brothers is completely
different from Disney?s one: there isn?t a fairy, the shoe is in gold
not in crystal, and at the end two doves attack Cinderella?s evil
sisters and pick out their eyes(!). Definetively impossible to accept
for any Disney author!
LUCA BOSCHI (and the other italian readers):
Your last message about the stories you realized for Disney, reminded me
of a question: some years ago I Classici Disney was a really superb
publication with a main theme for each number, then suddenly they
started to publish stories with different charachters and with no more
title in front of them (just a generic "I classici Disney"). Now I think
it?s a very poor publication, and I have no interest in it. Maybe you
can do something for a kind of renovation for this publication? You
wrote the story about Mickey's 60 years... it would be nice to see it
published in a single number, the same for all those stories who have
something in common: I'm thinking about Il papero del mistero, or I
mercoledi' di Pippo, or (even better) the time machine adventures of
Mickey and Goofy)... What is your opinion?
Ciao!
Paolo Castagno alias Luna Storta
http://www.geocities.com/Paris/3088/index.html
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Bhc
Disney comics Digest V97 #208
Message 329 -
1997-09-30 at 00:47:52
Christopher:
>Add to the above, that "group" decisions often seem to meander towards what
>is "workable," with common sense and insight often getting shoved aside. :-
Couldn't be righter. Were you that fly on the wall I kept noticing...?
Gary
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>Add to the above, that "group" decisions often seem to meander towards what
>is "workable," with common sense and insight often getting shoved aside. :-
Couldn't be righter. Were you that fly on the wall I kept noticing...?
Gary
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David B. Fenske
Some Musings on Gladstone Comics
Message 330 -
1997-09-30 at 10:29:04
Greetings!
I've only posted one brief note to this list, so let me introduce myself.
My name is Dave Fenske, and I've been buying and reading both Disney and
Gladstone comics for the past 5 or 6 years. I'm a scientist by profession
(Biochemist, to be precise), am about 38 years of age, and have something
like 4 children. I live near Vancouver in British Columbia (that's the
Westernmost province of Canada), which I believe is where William Van Horn
resides. I have quite a collection of Disney comics from my youth, but had
completely lost track of the comic world until sometime in 1991 when
curiosity led me to thumb through several comics at a supermarket magazine
stand. I was shocked at the price ($1.95 CDN or $1.50 US), but a few weeks
later broke down and bought a Donald Duck for my son, who was ill. It was
the issue with "Ghost of Kamikaze Ridge" by van Horn, and I was quite
impressed with the artwork, story, and the improvement in colour (this was
a Disney comic - I had missed the first run of Gladstone). The next one
was an Uncle Scrooge, part 1 of "Return to Xanadu," a story which impressed
me greatly, particularly in the details of plot and art. I had met Don
Rosa, and I was hooked.
It wasn't long before I was buying the Barks and van Horn stories for my
kids, and the Rosa stories for me (of course, I still let them read them,
carefully, but not while eating ice cream!). I enjoy classic Barks, and
van Horn, but I really think Rosa has been the most successful at creating
a believable and interesting Duck universe. One that is very fun to look at.
Which brings me to a few musings on Ducks & Gladstone comics:
1) I have noticed almost no discussion on this list on the work of William
van Horn. Why is that? Do people here not like him, or is it because we
just have more Rosa fans, or what? I greatly enjoy his frenetic style and
absurd sense of style. His work has a greater sense of chaos. Don's is
more ordered.
2) I must confess that I don't enjoy many of the stories by "other" artists
as much as I do the big 3 (Rosa, Barks, van Horn)? Regarding recent
Gladstone comics, the two recent Rosa epics "LO$ - Vigilante of Pizen
Bluff" and "The Ten Avatars" were great, but many of the issues on sale
this month, and in months past, seem sub-standard. Some of the stories by
other artists are OK, but once read are soon forgotten. The reason I'm
mentioning this - and being less gracious than I would usually be - is that
the current price here in Canada ($2.75) makes each issue too expensive to
buy unless it is superb. Of course I know that new artists need exposure.
3) And while on pricing, I must say I *like* the new C&S. It looks and
feels great. I just *don't* like the price, which again, is $9.95 up here.
I know, it's not bad for the quality of the comic. When it was $8.75
bi-monthly, I could justify it, but $10 every month is a bit much. Still,
I have bought it so far, but ONLY because of the new Rosa and van Horn, and
the Gottfredson MM. But I really think it's pricey. Couldn't Gladstone
produce a soft-cover regular edition for about $5? I take it they must be
selling well.
4) I really don't like the old DD strips running in DD (sorry - the artists
name eludes me - Talifierro?). They're not funny. Consequently, I haven't
bought more than one or two issues since they started the current run.
Will they be ending soon? Seems like overkill to me, doing them for so long.
5) A suggestion: why not produce an Uncle Scrooge/DD that contains ONLY
Rosa stories. Give the man his own book!
6) Finally, so that I don't finish off complaining, could someone explain
something to me? In a recent letter by Dr. Archontis Pantsios, he wrote:
<snip into a letter being quoted>
>Carl is very happy that Uncle Scrooge continues to enjoy such a
>popularity...HOWEVER HE'S VERY DISPLEASED BY THE ADDITION OF HOLLYWOOD
>HEROES (My note: My gosh, if that isn't an indirect jab at Don Rosa, I don't
>know what is!) and of other superheroes in some of the current Scrooge
>stories.
>Now isn't it interesting that whenever a chance is given the Barks Studio
>launches an attack on Don Rosa? Why do they fell so threatened?
OK, I don't get the connection between Hollywood Heroes and Rosa. And have
the Barks studio attacked Rosa's work in the past? If so, what don't they
like about it?
Dave Fenske
I've only posted one brief note to this list, so let me introduce myself.
My name is Dave Fenske, and I've been buying and reading both Disney and
Gladstone comics for the past 5 or 6 years. I'm a scientist by profession
(Biochemist, to be precise), am about 38 years of age, and have something
like 4 children. I live near Vancouver in British Columbia (that's the
Westernmost province of Canada), which I believe is where William Van Horn
resides. I have quite a collection of Disney comics from my youth, but had
completely lost track of the comic world until sometime in 1991 when
curiosity led me to thumb through several comics at a supermarket magazine
stand. I was shocked at the price ($1.95 CDN or $1.50 US), but a few weeks
later broke down and bought a Donald Duck for my son, who was ill. It was
the issue with "Ghost of Kamikaze Ridge" by van Horn, and I was quite
impressed with the artwork, story, and the improvement in colour (this was
a Disney comic - I had missed the first run of Gladstone). The next one
was an Uncle Scrooge, part 1 of "Return to Xanadu," a story which impressed
me greatly, particularly in the details of plot and art. I had met Don
Rosa, and I was hooked.
It wasn't long before I was buying the Barks and van Horn stories for my
kids, and the Rosa stories for me (of course, I still let them read them,
carefully, but not while eating ice cream!). I enjoy classic Barks, and
van Horn, but I really think Rosa has been the most successful at creating
a believable and interesting Duck universe. One that is very fun to look at.
Which brings me to a few musings on Ducks & Gladstone comics:
1) I have noticed almost no discussion on this list on the work of William
van Horn. Why is that? Do people here not like him, or is it because we
just have more Rosa fans, or what? I greatly enjoy his frenetic style and
absurd sense of style. His work has a greater sense of chaos. Don's is
more ordered.
2) I must confess that I don't enjoy many of the stories by "other" artists
as much as I do the big 3 (Rosa, Barks, van Horn)? Regarding recent
Gladstone comics, the two recent Rosa epics "LO$ - Vigilante of Pizen
Bluff" and "The Ten Avatars" were great, but many of the issues on sale
this month, and in months past, seem sub-standard. Some of the stories by
other artists are OK, but once read are soon forgotten. The reason I'm
mentioning this - and being less gracious than I would usually be - is that
the current price here in Canada ($2.75) makes each issue too expensive to
buy unless it is superb. Of course I know that new artists need exposure.
3) And while on pricing, I must say I *like* the new C&S. It looks and
feels great. I just *don't* like the price, which again, is $9.95 up here.
I know, it's not bad for the quality of the comic. When it was $8.75
bi-monthly, I could justify it, but $10 every month is a bit much. Still,
I have bought it so far, but ONLY because of the new Rosa and van Horn, and
the Gottfredson MM. But I really think it's pricey. Couldn't Gladstone
produce a soft-cover regular edition for about $5? I take it they must be
selling well.
4) I really don't like the old DD strips running in DD (sorry - the artists
name eludes me - Talifierro?). They're not funny. Consequently, I haven't
bought more than one or two issues since they started the current run.
Will they be ending soon? Seems like overkill to me, doing them for so long.
5) A suggestion: why not produce an Uncle Scrooge/DD that contains ONLY
Rosa stories. Give the man his own book!
6) Finally, so that I don't finish off complaining, could someone explain
something to me? In a recent letter by Dr. Archontis Pantsios, he wrote:
<snip into a letter being quoted>
>Carl is very happy that Uncle Scrooge continues to enjoy such a
>popularity...HOWEVER HE'S VERY DISPLEASED BY THE ADDITION OF HOLLYWOOD
>HEROES (My note: My gosh, if that isn't an indirect jab at Don Rosa, I don't
>know what is!) and of other superheroes in some of the current Scrooge
>stories.
>Now isn't it interesting that whenever a chance is given the Barks Studio
>launches an attack on Don Rosa? Why do they fell so threatened?
OK, I don't get the connection between Hollywood Heroes and Rosa. And have
the Barks studio attacked Rosa's work in the past? If so, what don't they
like about it?
Dave Fenske