Keskustelujen arkisto

I actually saw the funny Erickson/Barner/Vicar story on Egmont's homepage
a few days ago (a shame most of the gifs appear to be corrupted!).
Though they have links to us, I couldn't find any links to Egmont on
Per's pages, so I might mention that it's "www.ecn.dk".

There's also a brand new thing on "www.eon.dk", but I can't get the
necessary cookie-ware downloaded right now, so I'm not sure what it is.

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> Subject: "How to Answer a Queston the Byron Way"

Some additional information for german readers:
When we found this great story "How to make a Disney Comic the Egmont
way" in our inhouse magazine for Egmont employees, we decided to
translate it into German and published it as a 4-page-folder in one of
our press kits.
Now, some months later, it was published once more in the new issue of
"Tock Tock", the Egmont Ehapa Customer Magazine.
Feel free to email me, and I will send you a copy of Tock Tock (no
costs).
Best regards
Marion Egenberger
Egmont Ehapa Public Relations
email: (Email removed)
Web-Site: http://www.ehapa.de

Hi,

I experienced a major email failure yesterday and was expecting some very=

important messages from some of you (of course, that was bound to happen
:-). Could anyone who tried to contact me resend his/her message today ?

Thanks in advance and sorry for this off topic communication.

Didier Ghez

Probably one reason that we discuss William Van Horn's less than we do
those of some other Disney creators is that his stories tend to be
mainly just a long string of gags. Now there's nothing intrinsically
wrong with that; it's a valid approach to funnybooks, and the gags
usually **are** quite funny ones. However, that doesn't give you
much to talk about, on a "discussion" list like this one. About all
you can say is, "Wasn't that funny, what happened to Donald next!"
Again, I don't object to stories which are just one gag after another;
that style of humor certainly has an important place within the wide
world of Disney comics. It's just that there's not too much to say
about it, in comparison with the more "substantive" stories of Barks
or Rosa.

One thing about which you **can** comment, of course, is the artwork.
I didn't like WVH's art at first, and I still don't especially care
for his renderings of the Ducks, especially HD&L. However, overall
his art has improved greatly in the last several years, IMHO. I really
liked his backgrounds in the "cave" and "swamp" stories. Perhaps he's
been taking some pointers from Barks and turning to back issues of
"National Geographic" for inspiration! In any case, I must admit that
I like his art a lot more now than I did at first. Maybe it just takes
some getting used to. (BTW, Rosa's art does, too! When I first saw
a Rosa story, I just glanced at it and said, "Oh no, this is all
wrong. This looks like a Harvey Kurtzman parody of a Duck comic, not
the real thing. What a sad trick to play on the Ducks." Then I sat
down and **read** the thing, realized that it was not at all a parody
but a legitimate Duck story written and drawn by someone who obviously
had a real fondness for the characters, and my opinion changed right
away. Now I **like** Don's "cluttered" art style, although much of
the detail gets lost somewhere inside my middle-aged eyeballs. After
squinting at the last several issues of WDC, I now realize that it is
finally time to break down and get a pair of reading glasses! I must
say that I do appreciate the "simpler" style of WVH as a relief from
the eyestrain I suffer after reading a Rosa tale!)

Another aspect of WVH's work which does sometimes inspire comments on
this List is of course his wordplay, which adds considerable verbal
cleverness to the visual slapstick fun of his stories. Of course, I
suppose most of those linguistic twists are lost in the non-English
versions of his stories...

Wilmer Rivers

SHAUN:
>The four most common [Beagle] numbers that stick in my mind are:
>176 671
>176 167
>176 176
>176 716
At Egmont, the "leader" of the three-member Beagle team they
usually show is 176-167, with 176-671 the eccentric and 176-761 the gourmet
with a weakness for prunes. On the other hand, Barks himself gave 167 the
prune fetish. I'm unsure when Egmont changed it... anyway, in some stories
they *all* like prunes, so who knows?

DAVE F:
>1) I have noticed almost no discussion on this list on the work of William
>van Horn. Why is that? Do people here not like him, or is it because we
>just have more Rosa fans, or what? I greatly enjoy his frenetic style and
>absurd sense of style. His work has a greater sense of chaos. Don's is
>more ordered.
I love Van Horn's stories. I do think that perhaps Rosa's actually
being on the list means that more talk of his stuff tends to come up,
because people want his reactions to it. On another level, I think that
you'll find extra-large dollops of Rosa-talk here because Rosa's stories
deal in a lot of cross-references and contain a continuity that he actively
seeks out fans' responses and contributions to. As a result, you're seeing
those fans talking a lot about that stuff.
I've got fine things to say about Van Horn's work, particularly his
Neighbor Jones stories, and maybe I ought to let it show a little more. I
enjoy Rumpus tremendously, and I'm looking forward to seeing the him grow
and develop depth. It seems likely that Rumpus will eventually become a
continuing character in *many* creators' stories. I've thought about using
him myself, but want to wait until Van Horn has determined many more things
about him -- remember those non-Barks Scrooge stories from 1950-51, done
before Scrooge's character was finalized, and how out-of-character they
seem now? I don't want to "intrude" on Rumpus the same way, so early in
his development!

>2) I must confess that I don't enjoy many of the stories by "other" artists
>as much as I do the big 3 (Rosa, Barks, van Horn)? Regarding recent
>Gladstone comics, the two recent Rosa epics "LO$ - Vigilante of Pizen
>Bluff" and "The Ten Avatars" were great, but many of the issues on sale
>this month, and in months past, seem sub-standard. Some of the stories by
>other artists are OK, but once read are soon forgotten.
Actually, I found last month's Daniel Branca "Taking a Gander" (in
UNCLE SCROOGE ADVENTURES) to be a very memorable tale. I like Byron's
"Secret of the Incas" this month. IMHO, though, the best non-Rosa,
non-Van-Horn Duck material from both Egmont and GP tends to be Donald gag
stories -- and due to the formats of DONALD DUCK (almost all-reprint as a
rule) and DONALD DUCK ADVENTURES (mostly adventure stories), there is
little room for those stories to appear in the USA. John Clark has
informed me, though, that DD will soon have a much larger number of new
stories, so I may eat my words! (Pass the salt?)
I'm also pleased by some of the new Mickey stories that Gladstone
has used. "Plastic Mickey" and "The Return of Phantom Bob" were both good,
and while I'm not the guy to judge my own stories that followed those, I'm
looking forward to some by Pat McGreal and John Lustig that are coming up.

>5) A suggestion: why not produce an Uncle Scrooge/DD that contains ONLY
>Rosa stories. Give the man his own book!
Ummm... maybe Gary will have answered you by the time you read
this, but Rosa doesn't do enough material for a regularly-published comic
to contain it and it alone. What's more, since Rosa's stuff sells well,
it's a good idea to scatter his most recent work over numerous titles (as
Gladstone is doing). Anyway, aren't the current albums basically what you
want?

Finally, I MYSELF SAID of a new Disney Channel show that:
>The cartoons were all shown uncut
[snip]
To my everlasting disgrace ;-) I discover that I've given
inaccurate information... while "gross" gags that are cut elsewhere seem to
remain in the cartoons on "The Ink and Paint Club," I *did* find that two
"gunplay" gags were still cut from MICKEY'S ORPHANS. The scenes snipped
involved showing the little kids using popguns and a BB gun to break
bottles and plates. A scene where the BB gun is used on Pluto was left in,
though, as well as scenes where knives, axes, and saws were used on both
the plates and a piano's legs. Eh?
Still, the cartoons are less censored on the show than they've been
anywhere else on the Disney Channel in quite a while... I *still* maintain
it's a good time to have the VCRs rolling. (That's Monday at 5 AM.)

Running for it while he's ahead,
David Gerstein

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