Don Markstein wrote:
>>BUT -- when I read Barks aloud to children, I use the
accent. What's the "truth"?<<
I've always had to use the accent for Scrooge when I read to my children.
They grew up on DuckTales and there's no way to get around it. I'm not very
good, but I try. Thank God they don't make me read Donald and the newphews
words in the "duck" accent!
--your pal, Hoy
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HoyMurphy
Scrooge's Accent
Message 61 -
1997-09-07 at 15:45:10
Kriton Kyrimis
Disney comics Digest V97 #189
Message 62 -
1997-09-07 at 19:34:04
On 05-Sep-97, (Email removed) wrote:
> Secondly, I'm afraid that
> no one outside of Finland knows any details of THE KALEVALA if they've even
> heard of it (I hadn't)...
All the more reason to write that story, so that we may find out what
we're missing. Some of us might even follow it up by actually reading
(gasp!) the original epic. This won't be the first time someone will say
"I first read about it in a Disney comic book"!
--
Kriton (e-mail: (Email removed))
(WWW: http://dias.cti.gr/~kyrimis
-----
"I think I'll take this opportunity to remove my ears."
-----
> Secondly, I'm afraid that
> no one outside of Finland knows any details of THE KALEVALA if they've even
> heard of it (I hadn't)...
All the more reason to write that story, so that we may find out what
we're missing. Some of us might even follow it up by actually reading
(gasp!) the original epic. This won't be the first time someone will say
"I first read about it in a Disney comic book"!
--
Kriton (e-mail: (Email removed))
(WWW: http://dias.cti.gr/~kyrimis
-----
"I think I'll take this opportunity to remove my ears."
-----
Kriton Kyrimis
Various topics...
Message 63 -
1997-09-07 at 20:12:22
Here are a couple of observations I made after reading some recent
comics:
Did anyone notice that the Plain Awfultonians in Lost in the Andes /
Return to Plain Awful are *identical indians*? As the latter story was
just recently reprinted by Gladstone, does their being *south* American
natives somehow exclude them from Disney's ban?
Regarding the issue of Scrooge's hair color in Lo$ that we discussed
a while back, I think that despite what Don's original intentions
might have been, Suasn Daigle-Leach's treatment was an improvement,
and the way the color change was done was a stroke of genius. However,
I just noticed that in the very last page of the last chapter of Lo$,
where Scrooge is thinking about his adventures, young Scrooge's hair is
shown as blond (actually, yellow), even though in the main story it had
been brown. Was this intentional, or was it a mistake?
--
Kriton (e-mail: (Email removed))
(WWW: http://dias.cti.gr/~kyrimis
-----
"I think I'll take this opportunity to remove my ears."
-----
comics:
Did anyone notice that the Plain Awfultonians in Lost in the Andes /
Return to Plain Awful are *identical indians*? As the latter story was
just recently reprinted by Gladstone, does their being *south* American
natives somehow exclude them from Disney's ban?
Regarding the issue of Scrooge's hair color in Lo$ that we discussed
a while back, I think that despite what Don's original intentions
might have been, Suasn Daigle-Leach's treatment was an improvement,
and the way the color change was done was a stroke of genius. However,
I just noticed that in the very last page of the last chapter of Lo$,
where Scrooge is thinking about his adventures, young Scrooge's hair is
shown as blond (actually, yellow), even though in the main story it had
been brown. Was this intentional, or was it a mistake?
--
Kriton (e-mail: (Email removed))
(WWW: http://dias.cti.gr/~kyrimis
-----
"I think I'll take this opportunity to remove my ears."
-----
Nils Helge Karstad
Story-codes + TARJEI
Message 64 -
1997-09-07 at 21:30:18
Anybody:
I'm registrating all my Disney Comics and I have two Barks stories without
any storycodes.
The first (probably an OS) about Donald and the nephews on camping in a
forest.
Donald wants to take a photo of a red deer (?).
Another camper starts a fire and the forest burns down.
He blame it on Donald, but the kids had taken a photo of his unsecure fire
and he gets arrested.
The second one is a WDC.
It starts with Donald yelling at the nephews who plays cowboys in his
vegetable garden (wrong word ?).
A man stops him and says that he should let the kids play and do everything
they want to.
Donald buy all sorts of toys and instruments to the boys but they sell it
because they want to be bank-directors.
Donald takes two rockets and puts them under a chair and then he invites
the man (who told him to let the kids do everything).
When he sits on the chair, the nephews see the rockets and blow the man up.
He gets very angry and chases the nephews with a stick.
I also got an US-gag without story-code.
Scrooge goes to a fortune-teller who tells him that he's going to earn a
lot of money.
When Scrooge leaves he look up and says: "I wonder if it's going to rain".
Does anybody know the story-codes ?
Tarjei:
>1579 - June: Francis Drake establishes Fort Drakeborough on the hill which
>is destined to become Killmotor Hill.
I think you got it from D 92380 US Guardians of the Lost Library
DR/DR
>1675 - A Whiskerville dresses up as a giant monster dog and scares the
>McDucks away from castle McDuck.
From W US 29-04 US Hound of the Whiskervilles CB/CB
>1753 - ????? tricks Captain Seafoam McDuck into bringing a cargo of
>horseradish to Jamaica, but sinks the boat secretly and then blames
Seafoam
>for loosing his horseradish. Captain Seafoam is forced to give all his
>riches to ?????, except some gold teeth and a silver clock; both family
>heirlooms.(NOTE:could someone remind me where I got this from?)
You got it from W OS 495-02 US Horseradish treasure CB/CB
Somewhere between
>1889 - Scrooge leaves Africa and goes to Pizen Bluff in the USA
and
>1893 - Scrooge leaves Africa and goes to Kalgoorlie in Australia
Scrooge left his mine in Pizen Bluff because of the new gold rush 100 miles
north of Bluff
(*I* got this one from W US 26-04 US Return to Pizen Bluff CB/CB).
He got two maps (one of the maps showed a gold-mine the other one two bags
(?) with gold) from an old miner named Jacob.
I gess it's taken from W DD 52-02 DD The Lost Peg Leg Mine CB/CB
Then he went to The Will West Show somewhere and hunted the Dalton-brothers
and caught them in Pizen Bluff which now was a ghost town.
From D 96089 US The Vigilante of Pizen Bluff DR/DR
Then I think he went back to Africa.
>1898 - January: Scrooge goes to Dawson City to get parts for his
steam-boat
>rig. There he encounters Glittering Goldie, Colonel Samuel Benfield
>(superintendent of the northwest mounted police of the Yukon), Jack London
>and Cornelius Coots grandson Casey Coot. Scrooge returns to his claim in
>White Agony Creek. Scrooge pays the last of his dept to Soapy Slick.
Most of it is from D 95044 US Hearts of the Yukon DR/DR
>1908 - Scrooge buys Goldpolis and Boomcity railroad shares for 50 dollars
in
>Nevada. Copperhead McViper and his brothers try to steal them, but fail.
From W US 56-02 US Mystery of the Ghost Town Railroad CB/CB
>Does his first and last dishonest deed there.
Maybe his first but definitly not his last.
1952 - Scrooge's 50 years jubilee in Duckburg.
All the villains are co-operating against Scrooge.
From D 96325 US A Little Something Special DR/DR
>1967 - Scrooge McDuck dies?
**Definitly** a "Only-Don-Rosa-Fact" !
Jo
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I'm registrating all my Disney Comics and I have two Barks stories without
any storycodes.
The first (probably an OS) about Donald and the nephews on camping in a
forest.
Donald wants to take a photo of a red deer (?).
Another camper starts a fire and the forest burns down.
He blame it on Donald, but the kids had taken a photo of his unsecure fire
and he gets arrested.
The second one is a WDC.
It starts with Donald yelling at the nephews who plays cowboys in his
vegetable garden (wrong word ?).
A man stops him and says that he should let the kids play and do everything
they want to.
Donald buy all sorts of toys and instruments to the boys but they sell it
because they want to be bank-directors.
Donald takes two rockets and puts them under a chair and then he invites
the man (who told him to let the kids do everything).
When he sits on the chair, the nephews see the rockets and blow the man up.
He gets very angry and chases the nephews with a stick.
I also got an US-gag without story-code.
Scrooge goes to a fortune-teller who tells him that he's going to earn a
lot of money.
When Scrooge leaves he look up and says: "I wonder if it's going to rain".
Does anybody know the story-codes ?
Tarjei:
>1579 - June: Francis Drake establishes Fort Drakeborough on the hill which
>is destined to become Killmotor Hill.
I think you got it from D 92380 US Guardians of the Lost Library
DR/DR
>1675 - A Whiskerville dresses up as a giant monster dog and scares the
>McDucks away from castle McDuck.
From W US 29-04 US Hound of the Whiskervilles CB/CB
>1753 - ????? tricks Captain Seafoam McDuck into bringing a cargo of
>horseradish to Jamaica, but sinks the boat secretly and then blames
Seafoam
>for loosing his horseradish. Captain Seafoam is forced to give all his
>riches to ?????, except some gold teeth and a silver clock; both family
>heirlooms.(NOTE:could someone remind me where I got this from?)
You got it from W OS 495-02 US Horseradish treasure CB/CB
Somewhere between
>1889 - Scrooge leaves Africa and goes to Pizen Bluff in the USA
and
>1893 - Scrooge leaves Africa and goes to Kalgoorlie in Australia
Scrooge left his mine in Pizen Bluff because of the new gold rush 100 miles
north of Bluff
(*I* got this one from W US 26-04 US Return to Pizen Bluff CB/CB).
He got two maps (one of the maps showed a gold-mine the other one two bags
(?) with gold) from an old miner named Jacob.
I gess it's taken from W DD 52-02 DD The Lost Peg Leg Mine CB/CB
Then he went to The Will West Show somewhere and hunted the Dalton-brothers
and caught them in Pizen Bluff which now was a ghost town.
From D 96089 US The Vigilante of Pizen Bluff DR/DR
Then I think he went back to Africa.
>1898 - January: Scrooge goes to Dawson City to get parts for his
steam-boat
>rig. There he encounters Glittering Goldie, Colonel Samuel Benfield
>(superintendent of the northwest mounted police of the Yukon), Jack London
>and Cornelius Coots grandson Casey Coot. Scrooge returns to his claim in
>White Agony Creek. Scrooge pays the last of his dept to Soapy Slick.
Most of it is from D 95044 US Hearts of the Yukon DR/DR
>1908 - Scrooge buys Goldpolis and Boomcity railroad shares for 50 dollars
in
>Nevada. Copperhead McViper and his brothers try to steal them, but fail.
From W US 56-02 US Mystery of the Ghost Town Railroad CB/CB
>Does his first and last dishonest deed there.
Maybe his first but definitly not his last.
1952 - Scrooge's 50 years jubilee in Duckburg.
All the villains are co-operating against Scrooge.
From D 96325 US A Little Something Special DR/DR
>1967 - Scrooge McDuck dies?
**Definitly** a "Only-Don-Rosa-Fact" !
Jo
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Harry Fluks
Barks interview
Message 65 -
1997-09-07 at 21:32:18
TARJEI asked:
> Whatever happened to that Carl Barks interview someone was going
> to post?
I we are talking about the same interview, then last I heard of it is from a
mail from Harald Havas, 12 April 1996 (!) where he wrote:
"I sent the Barks-Interview to Per - everything else is up to him."
So, Per (or Harald)? What happened?
--Harry.
(Who has only read *one* Atomino story, in French, and I loved it)
> Whatever happened to that Carl Barks interview someone was going
> to post?
I we are talking about the same interview, then last I heard of it is from a
mail from Harald Havas, 12 April 1996 (!) where he wrote:
"I sent the Barks-Interview to Per - everything else is up to him."
So, Per (or Harald)? What happened?
--Harry.
(Who has only read *one* Atomino story, in French, and I loved it)
Nils Helge Karstad
Tarjei
Message 66 -
1997-09-07 at 22:24:25
Tarjei:
I found some more:
>1898 - January: Scrooge goes to Dawson City to get parts for his
steam-boat
>rig. There he encounters Glittering Goldie, Colonel Samuel Benfield
>(superintendent of the northwest mounted police of the Yukon), Jack London
>and Cornelius Coots grandson Casey Coot. Scrooge returns to his claim in
>White Agony Creek. Scrooge pays the last of his dept to Soapy Slick.
The date is from W OS 386-02 US Only A Poor Old Man CB/CB
It's in the same story that Scrooge tells that he found copper in Montana.
>1911 - Scrooge dives for treasure in the Caribbean on the Spanish Maine.
From the same story...
Between 1911 and 1920 he also tricked robbers in both Mongolia and Bagdad.
Guess which story...
Jo
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I found some more:
>1898 - January: Scrooge goes to Dawson City to get parts for his
steam-boat
>rig. There he encounters Glittering Goldie, Colonel Samuel Benfield
>(superintendent of the northwest mounted police of the Yukon), Jack London
>and Cornelius Coots grandson Casey Coot. Scrooge returns to his claim in
>White Agony Creek. Scrooge pays the last of his dept to Soapy Slick.
The date is from W OS 386-02 US Only A Poor Old Man CB/CB
It's in the same story that Scrooge tells that he found copper in Montana.
>1911 - Scrooge dives for treasure in the Caribbean on the Spanish Maine.
From the same story...
Between 1911 and 1920 he also tricked robbers in both Mongolia and Bagdad.
Guess which story...
Jo
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Shaun M. Knowler
Disney comics Digest V97 #191
Message 67 -
1997-09-08 at 09:57:04
SHAUN CRAILL about the Mickey vs. Donald topic:
I remember back when I was about four years old and my mother had given me
a Disney coloring book. I was introduced for the first time to Disney's
most famous cartoon characters, and of all of the characters I saw, the
one who appealed to me most was Donald Duck. I just, for some unknown
reason, liked him better than the likes of Mickey, Pluto, Goofy, Chip &
Dale, and all the others which were also featured in the book to become
fodder to my ungraceful crayon scribbles.
As the years went by, my appeal for the Duck became stronger and stronger,
until I had started to attempt to draw him on my second and third grade
school assignments and the such. Every now and then I would also draw
Mickey, primarily for classmates who'd request that I would draw him. I've
always found Mickey to be boring to draw, and now I think you've told me
why. I find him boring to draw because he *is* boring to draw! Donald's
been more fun because of his facial expressions, and also the fact that he
wears more clothes than Mickey does.
So, through all this pointless yammer, I'm pretty much saying that I agree
with your theories as to why Donald was more successful on the printed
page. Mickey's just #1 with merchandising because he never needs to
appear to have any other emotion than happy and cheerful drawn on his
big-eared face.
So, that's my opinion from a strictly design point of view.
-Shaun
I remember back when I was about four years old and my mother had given me
a Disney coloring book. I was introduced for the first time to Disney's
most famous cartoon characters, and of all of the characters I saw, the
one who appealed to me most was Donald Duck. I just, for some unknown
reason, liked him better than the likes of Mickey, Pluto, Goofy, Chip &
Dale, and all the others which were also featured in the book to become
fodder to my ungraceful crayon scribbles.
As the years went by, my appeal for the Duck became stronger and stronger,
until I had started to attempt to draw him on my second and third grade
school assignments and the such. Every now and then I would also draw
Mickey, primarily for classmates who'd request that I would draw him. I've
always found Mickey to be boring to draw, and now I think you've told me
why. I find him boring to draw because he *is* boring to draw! Donald's
been more fun because of his facial expressions, and also the fact that he
wears more clothes than Mickey does.
So, through all this pointless yammer, I'm pretty much saying that I agree
with your theories as to why Donald was more successful on the printed
page. Mickey's just #1 with merchandising because he never needs to
appear to have any other emotion than happy and cheerful drawn on his
big-eared face.
So, that's my opinion from a strictly design point of view.
-Shaun
Mikko Pohjola
The Kalevala
Message 68 -
1997-09-08 at 11:01:04
This message will be about the Finnish epic The Kalevala. If you're not
interested, please skip to the next message.
THE KALEVALA
The Kalevala is a collection of Finnish poetry and stories in verse. It
tells of the forming of the Earth, the peoples of Kaleva (the goodies) and
Pohjola (the baddies - no relation to me), heroic deeds, great monsters,
forbidden romances, magical artefacts and so on, and so on. Just like any
other book of ancient mythology ranging from "The Knights of the Round
Table" of the English to "The Bible" of the Jews and from "The
Silmarillion" of Tolkien's elves to the "Veta" books of the Hindu. So it's
not a consistent, continuing story, but rather a collection of different
stories sung by the Finnish and Karelian bards. There's no main story
line.
It would be hard if not impossible to make a good story (any kind of
story!) about the entire Kalevala, unless it was about the book itself
rather than it's contents - such as Search of the Lost Chapter of The
Kalevala etc. However, if one would take one individual story from the
book, such as the story about the money-making machine Sampo, or the one
about how Ilmarinen the demi-god smith of the Kaleva people made himself a
wife of gold and silver, or some such story, and maybe add one or two of
the legendary monsters of The Kalevala, THEN it would be possible to tell
a good story related to The Kalevala - or at least parts of it.
A few years ago I wrote such a story about the Ducks going to Finland in
order to find the Sampo, and then battling Magica over it. It was the
first Duck story I wrote, and the first comic story I ever wrote purely in
text form instead of scetching it on paper page by page, and it wasn't too
good. Also, I tried to include every noticable bit about Finland in that
story and the story-telling suffered from that. I sent the story to Egmont
about one-and-a-half year ago, and it wasn't accepted - although I'm still
waiting for the official announcement and some comments from Byron.
Anyways, I think it would be perfectly possible to write a good story
based on parts of The Kalevala - but hardly not the whole Kalevala. Don,
if you really feel up to it, I'm willing to write you a 5-10 page summary
about the Kalevala and then perhaps an abridged version of those parts you
feel most interested storywise.
That's all,
Mike - The Finnish Trekkie
interested, please skip to the next message.
THE KALEVALA
The Kalevala is a collection of Finnish poetry and stories in verse. It
tells of the forming of the Earth, the peoples of Kaleva (the goodies) and
Pohjola (the baddies - no relation to me), heroic deeds, great monsters,
forbidden romances, magical artefacts and so on, and so on. Just like any
other book of ancient mythology ranging from "The Knights of the Round
Table" of the English to "The Bible" of the Jews and from "The
Silmarillion" of Tolkien's elves to the "Veta" books of the Hindu. So it's
not a consistent, continuing story, but rather a collection of different
stories sung by the Finnish and Karelian bards. There's no main story
line.
It would be hard if not impossible to make a good story (any kind of
story!) about the entire Kalevala, unless it was about the book itself
rather than it's contents - such as Search of the Lost Chapter of The
Kalevala etc. However, if one would take one individual story from the
book, such as the story about the money-making machine Sampo, or the one
about how Ilmarinen the demi-god smith of the Kaleva people made himself a
wife of gold and silver, or some such story, and maybe add one or two of
the legendary monsters of The Kalevala, THEN it would be possible to tell
a good story related to The Kalevala - or at least parts of it.
A few years ago I wrote such a story about the Ducks going to Finland in
order to find the Sampo, and then battling Magica over it. It was the
first Duck story I wrote, and the first comic story I ever wrote purely in
text form instead of scetching it on paper page by page, and it wasn't too
good. Also, I tried to include every noticable bit about Finland in that
story and the story-telling suffered from that. I sent the story to Egmont
about one-and-a-half year ago, and it wasn't accepted - although I'm still
waiting for the official announcement and some comments from Byron.
Anyways, I think it would be perfectly possible to write a good story
based on parts of The Kalevala - but hardly not the whole Kalevala. Don,
if you really feel up to it, I'm willing to write you a 5-10 page summary
about the Kalevala and then perhaps an abridged version of those parts you
feel most interested storywise.
That's all,
Mike - The Finnish Trekkie
Ole R. Nielsen
WDC #616
Message 69 -
1997-09-08 at 12:20:28
Since you are not at Egmont, Don, your preview of the Scandihoovian
collection of your Lo$ doesn't fall in the category of customer service.
I'm sure however that there will be no problems with getting your pay-
checks from Byron in the future; that book should show up under a lot
of christmas trees, if there's any justice. This being the first print
(and only second reprint) of a Rosa story outside the ephemeral weeklies
should also help. Like Carl Barks, Don Rosa is so popular that he always
gets his name on the cover of a comic book with one of his stories - now
even every chapter of a serial. Not even Barks' stories had that. But
while Barks is re-printed again and again, in albums, hardcover books
and the weeklies, only one of Don's many stories, published in the
weeklies since 1990, has been reprinted. As a filler in... a supplement
to the weekly. The only way to read earlier stories is to rummage
through second hand shops with an index in hand. Not that I mind, but
a lot of potential readers would prefer to be able to find the stories
at a bookstore or a library. I wonder how long Egmont can wait with
The Don Rosa Library in Danish. But it _is_ technically a non-profit
foundation; maybe they just aren't allowed to make that much money? :-)
In WDC #616 there's a reference to the planet(?) of 'Kendoon'.
Is this a typo, or was the Danish translator for once the wiser one,
when he wrote "Kenodon"? Maybe he was a little bored, because there
is a rule against using dialects in the Danish issues, so he had
to make do with a few colloquialisms. Consequentially it isn't very
clear why the aliens don't understand the ducks - when they appear
to talk plain 'Duckburgian' too.
Now for a tricky linguistic problem; when Scrooge gets 'electrolyted'
he utters the words ">Mfl!< Hlp mf! Gbmfolblmf!" in the English version.
But in the Danish one he says ">Mfl!< Hjlp Mg! Gbmflbmlf!" Please
note the subtle differences and that the Danish version appears to
recognize that "Hlp mf" means "Help me" and translates that (leaving
out the vowels). My guess is that the last sentence means "Give me...
<o>lvmle" (?!). I know, I know... there are no hidden messages in
your stories, Don, and my brother was probably understating it when
called the story "a little silly", but...
Back to ol' #616, I have to congratulate David on his story
"Mickey Mouse Against the World". It's even better in English than
when I first read it (exactly a year ago; how time flies).
For instance I doubt the translator even _noticed_ the "baby-swap"
joke. But I'm still wondering how Mickey could give thirty bookshops
each a hundred books, and still have a couple of dozens left, when
there was only a thousand in print. But maybe that's just another
mystery from the American publishing business.
Ole (ROC) Reichstein Nielsen <ornils AT deepthought DOT aabc DOT dk>
collection of your Lo$ doesn't fall in the category of customer service.
I'm sure however that there will be no problems with getting your pay-
checks from Byron in the future; that book should show up under a lot
of christmas trees, if there's any justice. This being the first print
(and only second reprint) of a Rosa story outside the ephemeral weeklies
should also help. Like Carl Barks, Don Rosa is so popular that he always
gets his name on the cover of a comic book with one of his stories - now
even every chapter of a serial. Not even Barks' stories had that. But
while Barks is re-printed again and again, in albums, hardcover books
and the weeklies, only one of Don's many stories, published in the
weeklies since 1990, has been reprinted. As a filler in... a supplement
to the weekly. The only way to read earlier stories is to rummage
through second hand shops with an index in hand. Not that I mind, but
a lot of potential readers would prefer to be able to find the stories
at a bookstore or a library. I wonder how long Egmont can wait with
The Don Rosa Library in Danish. But it _is_ technically a non-profit
foundation; maybe they just aren't allowed to make that much money? :-)
In WDC #616 there's a reference to the planet(?) of 'Kendoon'.
Is this a typo, or was the Danish translator for once the wiser one,
when he wrote "Kenodon"? Maybe he was a little bored, because there
is a rule against using dialects in the Danish issues, so he had
to make do with a few colloquialisms. Consequentially it isn't very
clear why the aliens don't understand the ducks - when they appear
to talk plain 'Duckburgian' too.
Now for a tricky linguistic problem; when Scrooge gets 'electrolyted'
he utters the words ">Mfl!< Hlp mf! Gbmfolblmf!" in the English version.
But in the Danish one he says ">Mfl!< Hjlp Mg! Gbmflbmlf!" Please
note the subtle differences and that the Danish version appears to
recognize that "Hlp mf" means "Help me" and translates that (leaving
out the vowels). My guess is that the last sentence means "Give me...
<o>lvmle" (?!). I know, I know... there are no hidden messages in
your stories, Don, and my brother was probably understating it when
called the story "a little silly", but...
Back to ol' #616, I have to congratulate David on his story
"Mickey Mouse Against the World". It's even better in English than
when I first read it (exactly a year ago; how time flies).
For instance I doubt the translator even _noticed_ the "baby-swap"
joke. But I'm still wondering how Mickey could give thirty bookshops
each a hundred books, and still have a couple of dozens left, when
there was only a thousand in print. But maybe that's just another
mystery from the American publishing business.
Ole (ROC) Reichstein Nielsen <ornils AT deepthought DOT aabc DOT dk>
Dr. Archontis Pantsios
Disney comics Digest V97 #189
Message 70 -
1997-09-08 at 13:57:47
PER-ERIK:
>Congratulations to al of you in Greece, I hope you'll enjoy the olympics =
>in
>2004!!
Thanks!!! More than anything else, that decision last Friday of the
International Olympic Committee will be a major boost to the morale of the
Greek people. It seems that financially most Olympiads end up in the red,
but then why do so many cities vie for them every four years?
I hope that ATHENS 2004 shall serve as an excellent chance to revive the
tarnished Olympic spirit that suffered greatly in recent years (see the
boycotts of the Moscow and Los Angeles games and the fiasco of the Atlanta
Games). The Olympic Games have at last returned to their cradle. A very
poignant caricature was one appearing in a non-Greek journal after the
Friday decision, showing Pierre de Couberten (sp.?), with a victory sign
rising from his grave, and shouting "WE WON!".
Sorry for this off-topic interlude,
Archontis
>Congratulations to al of you in Greece, I hope you'll enjoy the olympics =
>in
>2004!!
Thanks!!! More than anything else, that decision last Friday of the
International Olympic Committee will be a major boost to the morale of the
Greek people. It seems that financially most Olympiads end up in the red,
but then why do so many cities vie for them every four years?
I hope that ATHENS 2004 shall serve as an excellent chance to revive the
tarnished Olympic spirit that suffered greatly in recent years (see the
boycotts of the Moscow and Los Angeles games and the fiasco of the Atlanta
Games). The Olympic Games have at last returned to their cradle. A very
poignant caricature was one appearing in a non-Greek journal after the
Friday decision, showing Pierre de Couberten (sp.?), with a victory sign
rising from his grave, and shouting "WE WON!".
Sorry for this off-topic interlude,
Archontis
Luna Storta
Disney stamps and stickers
Message 71 -
1997-09-08 at 14:47:31
Hello everybody!!
As at the same I didn't have enough time to read the newest digests
during last week, I did it on sunday, and so here there are my questions
(hope they aren't too much out of date!)
FRANCOIS WILLOT
>the "Mickey-Parade 1998 issues will be devoted to Romano Scarpa.
Wow! I *LOVE* Scarpa's stories, can you tell me if it is possible to
subscribe to Mickey Parade from Italy? Is there an address where I
should write to?
You said that Geoffrey Blum wrote a paper ("Walsh of tomorrow") about
the stories by Bill Walsh in a Gladstone Comic... do you remember where
exactly it was? I agree with you in considering the late '40 Mickey's
stories as the best ones of the saga, and IMHO the real mutation in
Mickey personality occourred in the story "The miracle master": it's a
very interesting story to analyze: Mickey has no more the enthusiasm of
his first adventures, and his attempts to do something good with the
lamp are frustrated by people: this story will inspire the well-known
movie by Frank Capra "La vita e' meravigliosa" (I don't remind the exact
original title...it should be "It's a wonderful life"), but has a bitter
taste: Mickey will have to destroy the city he built because of the
politicians of his town and so he became a looser: his dream weren't
realized.
CAREY M. FURLONG (about your sequel to "Island in the sky")
I liked your plot very much, and I hope someone will consider it for
realizing a story!
DAVID G.
You said in digest #183 that in the USA half of the Mickey stories from
1930 to 1942 are banned...very sad to hear it, but can you please tell
me if there is a list of those banned stories?
>IMHO, Horace, Eega Beeva, Minnie and Butch can be viewed as extentions
of Mickey's cockiness, creativity, temper and mischievousness, so it''s
possible to use them in that alter-ego manner. For me, Goofy does not
reflect an aspect of Mickey's character, so I can't do the alter-ego
with him.
100% agree!!
ALL THE DUTHC MEMBERS:
On the (wonderful) DcD I found in the Christmas Daily strips drawn by
Gottfredson a story entitled "Bambi kerstavontuur" can some of you tell
me what does kerstavontuur minds in english?
OTHER STUFF:
I know that it's a little bit out of topic, but I'd like to know if
there is someone who knows a site where can be found a list or a
description about Disney stamps (or if someone of you collects them): I
own San Marino series drawn by G.B. Carpi and another series from
Grenada; I know that there are a lot of other series, do you know which
are the best ones? is it true that there is a series from Carl Barks?
Another question I'd like to ask you is about the "That's Donald"
program: I bought the Panini stickers, but I was not very impressed by
their style: does someone knows who the author is? BTW I've got many
double stickers, and if someone is collecting them and still needs some
numbers can e-mail me in order to exchange them!
INTRODUCKTION:
It's now some months that I'm on this list, and sill I haven't posted my
introducKtion (hey, I *LOVE* this word!!), so here it is:
I'm Paolo Castagno, but on the web I use the nickname of Luna Storta,
I'm 28 years old and I live in Roma, Italy. Two years ago I gained my
degree in economics (discussing a thesis about editorial market and
bookshop selling in Italy); now I've got a computer-related job (Oracle,
html, tcp/ip and other boring things...).
I started collecting Disney comics when I was 12 (BTW I was already used
to read them), and I'm currently collecting all the most interesting
italian publications: i classici di Walt Disney (but their first numbers
are very hard to find), Topolino libretto (even harder), Almanacco
Topolino, Zio Paperone (of course) and many other minor pubblications:
PK, Topomistery, Paperino & Co. (is there someone who wnats to sell his
nr. 99?), Super almanacco Paperino, etc.
A couple of years ago I wrote a short guide to "Zio Paperone" and to the
Barks stories included in it; now I'm working on another short guide
about Gottfredson's Mickey Mouse (hopefully it will be published in
november).
Well, this time I've been very boring to you all, and so THANKS for
reading those line, and Bye to all of you!
p.s.: I hope to meet you all in Lucca next month!!!
Luna Storta alias Paolo Castagno
http://www.geocities.com/Paris/3088
Outside of a dog, a comic-book is man's best friend.
Inside of a dog it's too dark to read.
-- Groucho Marx
______________________________________________________
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As at the same I didn't have enough time to read the newest digests
during last week, I did it on sunday, and so here there are my questions
(hope they aren't too much out of date!)
FRANCOIS WILLOT
>the "Mickey-Parade 1998 issues will be devoted to Romano Scarpa.
Wow! I *LOVE* Scarpa's stories, can you tell me if it is possible to
subscribe to Mickey Parade from Italy? Is there an address where I
should write to?
You said that Geoffrey Blum wrote a paper ("Walsh of tomorrow") about
the stories by Bill Walsh in a Gladstone Comic... do you remember where
exactly it was? I agree with you in considering the late '40 Mickey's
stories as the best ones of the saga, and IMHO the real mutation in
Mickey personality occourred in the story "The miracle master": it's a
very interesting story to analyze: Mickey has no more the enthusiasm of
his first adventures, and his attempts to do something good with the
lamp are frustrated by people: this story will inspire the well-known
movie by Frank Capra "La vita e' meravigliosa" (I don't remind the exact
original title...it should be "It's a wonderful life"), but has a bitter
taste: Mickey will have to destroy the city he built because of the
politicians of his town and so he became a looser: his dream weren't
realized.
CAREY M. FURLONG (about your sequel to "Island in the sky")
I liked your plot very much, and I hope someone will consider it for
realizing a story!
DAVID G.
You said in digest #183 that in the USA half of the Mickey stories from
1930 to 1942 are banned...very sad to hear it, but can you please tell
me if there is a list of those banned stories?
>IMHO, Horace, Eega Beeva, Minnie and Butch can be viewed as extentions
of Mickey's cockiness, creativity, temper and mischievousness, so it''s
possible to use them in that alter-ego manner. For me, Goofy does not
reflect an aspect of Mickey's character, so I can't do the alter-ego
with him.
100% agree!!
ALL THE DUTHC MEMBERS:
On the (wonderful) DcD I found in the Christmas Daily strips drawn by
Gottfredson a story entitled "Bambi kerstavontuur" can some of you tell
me what does kerstavontuur minds in english?
OTHER STUFF:
I know that it's a little bit out of topic, but I'd like to know if
there is someone who knows a site where can be found a list or a
description about Disney stamps (or if someone of you collects them): I
own San Marino series drawn by G.B. Carpi and another series from
Grenada; I know that there are a lot of other series, do you know which
are the best ones? is it true that there is a series from Carl Barks?
Another question I'd like to ask you is about the "That's Donald"
program: I bought the Panini stickers, but I was not very impressed by
their style: does someone knows who the author is? BTW I've got many
double stickers, and if someone is collecting them and still needs some
numbers can e-mail me in order to exchange them!
INTRODUCKTION:
It's now some months that I'm on this list, and sill I haven't posted my
introducKtion (hey, I *LOVE* this word!!), so here it is:
I'm Paolo Castagno, but on the web I use the nickname of Luna Storta,
I'm 28 years old and I live in Roma, Italy. Two years ago I gained my
degree in economics (discussing a thesis about editorial market and
bookshop selling in Italy); now I've got a computer-related job (Oracle,
html, tcp/ip and other boring things...).
I started collecting Disney comics when I was 12 (BTW I was already used
to read them), and I'm currently collecting all the most interesting
italian publications: i classici di Walt Disney (but their first numbers
are very hard to find), Topolino libretto (even harder), Almanacco
Topolino, Zio Paperone (of course) and many other minor pubblications:
PK, Topomistery, Paperino & Co. (is there someone who wnats to sell his
nr. 99?), Super almanacco Paperino, etc.
A couple of years ago I wrote a short guide to "Zio Paperone" and to the
Barks stories included in it; now I'm working on another short guide
about Gottfredson's Mickey Mouse (hopefully it will be published in
november).
Well, this time I've been very boring to you all, and so THANKS for
reading those line, and Bye to all of you!
p.s.: I hope to meet you all in Lucca next month!!!
Luna Storta alias Paolo Castagno
http://www.geocities.com/Paris/3088
Outside of a dog, a comic-book is man's best friend.
Inside of a dog it's too dark to read.
-- Groucho Marx
______________________________________________________
Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com
Don Rosa
Disney comics Digest V97 #190
Message 72 -
1997-09-08 at 15:21:34
TARHJEI (asks):
> DON ROSA:
> Do you know a more exact date for when/where you'll be in Oslo
now?
MAYBE... Nov. 22 & 23. But not for sure yet.
PER-ERIK:
> OK, they get Disney comics in english from Gladstone, but isn't french
the
> most ordinary language in f.ex Montreal(?) ?
Oh, right... I imagine the French editions are allowed to be distributed in
that area only. But anywhere else in Canada they would not be allowed on a
normal newsstand due to licensing agreements. (That's an educated-guess.)
TARJEI again (as regards your timeline):
> 1880 - Scrooge leaves for America. He arrives in St.Louis, Kentucky
As someone pointed out, you mean Louisville.
> 1882 - Scrooge takes the train west from Kentucky. He plans to travel to
> Colorado but falls off the train 150KM from Wichita near the western
border
> of Missouri after having a brief encounter with Jesse James.
Not exactly. In 1882 he traveled NORTH from Kentucky to be with the Wabash
Railroad line, as stated in an old Barks story. This line runs along the
Wabash River in Indiana. I figured he was there VERY briefly (my only
choice to stay true to Barks' dates and facts) and THEN headed west.
> 1885 - Scrooge meets John Rockerducks father Howard Rockerduck. Scrooge
> attains the Anaconda coppermine thank's to the Law Of Apex of 1849.He is
> forced to sell it back to Marcus Daly
I'm splitting hairs, of course... but $crooge didn't actually gain
ownership of the Anaconda -- he gained a legal claim to try to gain
ownership, but Daly paid him off to drop the claim just to save short-term
profit losses -- he was sure he could overturn the claim in court. $crooge
gave in only because he was called home on an emergency. So he didn't "sell
it back", he made an "out of court settlement to drop his claim". This is
only important to me in the sense that I never intended that $crooge ever
became successful or rich in any sense until that single instant in time
when he found his Goode Egg Nugget in White Agony Creek.
> 1893 - Scrooge leaves Africa and goes to Kalgoorlie in Australia.
No, he leaves Arizona to go to Australia. (I think that's what you meant).
> 1898 - January: Scrooge goes to Dawson City to get parts for his
steam-boat
> rig.
Well, it was a steam-drill, not boat. I know, just another typo.
>There he encounters Glittering Goldie, Colonel Samuel Benfield
> (superintendent of the northwest mounted police of the Yukon),
You left out Sam's last name of Steele.
> 1899 - December:Scrooge has saved up his first million. Scrooge buys the
> deed to Killmotor hill from Casey Coot.
At that time it's still called "KillMULE Hill".
> 1947 - Donald meets his Uncle Scrooge for the second time in his life,
Huew,
> Dewey and Luey meet him for the first time. The Beagle Boys and Scrooge
meet
> for the first time in 45 years.
No, as I figured it, this is when $crooge first meets the *current* Beagle
Boys. I always figured that he had numerous run-ins with Blackheart and his
three sons in the years between 1902 and 1947... or at least up to 1935 or
so... and I might tell such tales in future "Lo$" episodes.
> 1954 - Scrooge, Donald and Huew, Dewey, Louie go to Dawson to search for
a
> sled Scrooge lost long ago. Scrooge meets Glittering Goldie and Soapy
Slick.
> 1955 - Captain "Porker" Hoggs nephew "Horseshoe" Hogg and Scrooge raise
> their uncles riverboats from the bottom of the misissippi and finish the
> race they started. Scrooge wins.
> 1967 - Scrooge McDuck dies?
Okay, two important comments about these last dates: After about 1950, my
idea of dates in these stories is very nebulous. I see all these "current"
adventures as happening in some wide time frame stretching through the 50s
and in no particular order. Even Barks stories that were published up till
1967 I see as happening back sometimes in the 50s. This is how I can do
things such as showing Flintheart and Magica as being $crooge enemies in "A
Little Something Special" which I see as taking place in 1952 (a specific
date is needed in that story), even though they were not introduced in
print until later.
Secondly, never fail to remember that that notion, along with ALL those
other dates, are all only *MY* personal view of all this. It should
certainly not be treated as any sort of "official" universal "truth" among
all the other Duck stories. I trust you keep that in mind.
> DON ROSA:
> Do you know a more exact date for when/where you'll be in Oslo
now?
MAYBE... Nov. 22 & 23. But not for sure yet.
PER-ERIK:
> OK, they get Disney comics in english from Gladstone, but isn't french
the
> most ordinary language in f.ex Montreal(?) ?
Oh, right... I imagine the French editions are allowed to be distributed in
that area only. But anywhere else in Canada they would not be allowed on a
normal newsstand due to licensing agreements. (That's an educated-guess.)
TARJEI again (as regards your timeline):
> 1880 - Scrooge leaves for America. He arrives in St.Louis, Kentucky
As someone pointed out, you mean Louisville.
> 1882 - Scrooge takes the train west from Kentucky. He plans to travel to
> Colorado but falls off the train 150KM from Wichita near the western
border
> of Missouri after having a brief encounter with Jesse James.
Not exactly. In 1882 he traveled NORTH from Kentucky to be with the Wabash
Railroad line, as stated in an old Barks story. This line runs along the
Wabash River in Indiana. I figured he was there VERY briefly (my only
choice to stay true to Barks' dates and facts) and THEN headed west.
> 1885 - Scrooge meets John Rockerducks father Howard Rockerduck. Scrooge
> attains the Anaconda coppermine thank's to the Law Of Apex of 1849.He is
> forced to sell it back to Marcus Daly
I'm splitting hairs, of course... but $crooge didn't actually gain
ownership of the Anaconda -- he gained a legal claim to try to gain
ownership, but Daly paid him off to drop the claim just to save short-term
profit losses -- he was sure he could overturn the claim in court. $crooge
gave in only because he was called home on an emergency. So he didn't "sell
it back", he made an "out of court settlement to drop his claim". This is
only important to me in the sense that I never intended that $crooge ever
became successful or rich in any sense until that single instant in time
when he found his Goode Egg Nugget in White Agony Creek.
> 1893 - Scrooge leaves Africa and goes to Kalgoorlie in Australia.
No, he leaves Arizona to go to Australia. (I think that's what you meant).
> 1898 - January: Scrooge goes to Dawson City to get parts for his
steam-boat
> rig.
Well, it was a steam-drill, not boat. I know, just another typo.
>There he encounters Glittering Goldie, Colonel Samuel Benfield
> (superintendent of the northwest mounted police of the Yukon),
You left out Sam's last name of Steele.
> 1899 - December:Scrooge has saved up his first million. Scrooge buys the
> deed to Killmotor hill from Casey Coot.
At that time it's still called "KillMULE Hill".
> 1947 - Donald meets his Uncle Scrooge for the second time in his life,
Huew,
> Dewey and Luey meet him for the first time. The Beagle Boys and Scrooge
meet
> for the first time in 45 years.
No, as I figured it, this is when $crooge first meets the *current* Beagle
Boys. I always figured that he had numerous run-ins with Blackheart and his
three sons in the years between 1902 and 1947... or at least up to 1935 or
so... and I might tell such tales in future "Lo$" episodes.
> 1954 - Scrooge, Donald and Huew, Dewey, Louie go to Dawson to search for
a
> sled Scrooge lost long ago. Scrooge meets Glittering Goldie and Soapy
Slick.
> 1955 - Captain "Porker" Hoggs nephew "Horseshoe" Hogg and Scrooge raise
> their uncles riverboats from the bottom of the misissippi and finish the
> race they started. Scrooge wins.
> 1967 - Scrooge McDuck dies?
Okay, two important comments about these last dates: After about 1950, my
idea of dates in these stories is very nebulous. I see all these "current"
adventures as happening in some wide time frame stretching through the 50s
and in no particular order. Even Barks stories that were published up till
1967 I see as happening back sometimes in the 50s. This is how I can do
things such as showing Flintheart and Magica as being $crooge enemies in "A
Little Something Special" which I see as taking place in 1952 (a specific
date is needed in that story), even though they were not introduced in
print until later.
Secondly, never fail to remember that that notion, along with ALL those
other dates, are all only *MY* personal view of all this. It should
certainly not be treated as any sort of "official" universal "truth" among
all the other Duck stories. I trust you keep that in mind.
Soeren Schridde
Cubic acre
Message 73 -
1997-09-08 at 15:48:30
Kriton:
(having read your explanations on dimensions)
OK, we lawyers ("in spe", of course) should leave physics to the
physicians ;-)
Soeren Schridde
(having read your explanations on dimensions)
OK, we lawyers ("in spe", of course) should leave physics to the
physicians ;-)
Soeren Schridde
Dan Shane
Disney comics Digest V97 #190
Message 74 -
1997-09-08 at 16:36:45
>1880 - Scrooge leaves for America. He arrives in St.Louis, Kentucky
sometime
>in may in time for the 6th Kentucky Derby. Cornelius Coot dies.
Wow! Don and I have moved to St. Louis, houses and all! We didn't even
have to pack!
We all know you meant to say Louisville, as St. Louis is in Missouri on the
Mississippi River. Louisville is our home town in Kentucky, on the Ohio
River.
sometime
>in may in time for the 6th Kentucky Derby. Cornelius Coot dies.
Wow! Don and I have moved to St. Louis, houses and all! We didn't even
have to pack!
We all know you meant to say Louisville, as St. Louis is in Missouri on the
Mississippi River. Louisville is our home town in Kentucky, on the Ohio
River.
Arthur De Wolf
Disney stamps and stickers
Message 75 -
1997-09-08 at 18:48:10
Hi!
LUNA STORTA:
> what does kerstavontuur minds in english?
"Kerstavontuur" is Dutch for "Christmas-adventure".
> You said that Geoffrey Blum wrote a paper
> ("Walsh of tomorrow") about the stories by Bill Walsh
> in a Gladstone Comic... do you remember where
> exactly it was?
That was in Walt Disney's Comics and Stories #588
Bye!
Arthur
http://www.pi.net/~wolfman
LUNA STORTA:
> what does kerstavontuur minds in english?
"Kerstavontuur" is Dutch for "Christmas-adventure".
> You said that Geoffrey Blum wrote a paper
> ("Walsh of tomorrow") about the stories by Bill Walsh
> in a Gladstone Comic... do you remember where
> exactly it was?
That was in Walt Disney's Comics and Stories #588
Bye!
Arthur
http://www.pi.net/~wolfman