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ARILD:

> And several responses have been mentioning storys about the 1972, the 1976
> and the 1988 games, but noone has mentioned the story conserning the
> 1994-Lillehammer games(D93287) ? (..or did I fail to read someone mentioning
> this?)

After my reminiscing about past Olympic Games-related stories, I finished
by asking Don whether he would consider doing a story for the 2004 even if
it might violate his timeline for the Ducks. I was saving "From Duckburg
to Lillehammer" as an argument for the case where the answer might be
no. (I would assume that Donald would be past his skiing days in 1994!)

In any case, I hope that Don's answer will be "yes"!
--
Kriton (e-mail: (Email removed))
(WWW: http://dias.cti.gr/~kyrimis
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In a message dated 97-09-20 16:14:19 EDT, Merlin wrote:

<< The first Mighty Mouse cartoon was "The Mouse of Tomorrow"
(the title being a takeoff on the phrase "The Man of Tomorrow" which was
used for Superman in the early stories) in 1942. The character was
originally called "Super Mouse" tying in to the "Super" theme (super
market, super cheese, super soup, etc.) but was changed NOT due to
pressure from DC's lawyers, as you would expect, but because a
Terrytoons employee (Steven Rowe will know who, I bet) had taken the
concept with him to Standard Comics where he had drawn a story in
Coo-Coo Comics called Super Mouse that came out at the same time as
the cartoon.>>

The creator of the comics SuperMouse was later mystery writer Kin Platt. I
have no
idea if he actually worked for Terrytoons at the time. The comic book came
out first by 3 or 4 months (but both could have had similar lead times).

Don M: Super Mouse's comic book series ran from 1942 to 1959; extremly
respectable run.

Mighty Mouse's comicbook started with Timely; edited by Vince Fago, I
believe. When he went to St. John and Standard (publishers of Super-Mouse);
they used creators of Terrytoon cartoons- including Jim Tyer, Connie R., Paul
Somer, etc. In the late50s, Mighty was done by Dell - at Dell's east coast
offices. It went from Dell to Gold Key, back to Dell, back to Gold Key;
ending in the late 21970s with the end of Gold Key-Whitman. A small scompany
named Spotlight did a few issues for the newstand - using fandom greats like
Mike Tiefenbacher (and I think Jim Engel). I see that Marvel has the
Terrytoon/'s cartoon Mighty Heroes coming out in November - could Mighty
Mouse be far behind?

Gold Key's artists include Frank Carin, John Costanza, etc.

Steven Rowe

In a message dated 97-09-18 10:01:27 EDT, Poul writes:

<< DON ROSA and STEVEN ROWE:

What struck me the most was not what happened or didn=B4t happen those =
many years ago, but that both of you seemed pretty annoyed that Thomas =
Lauritsen had printed his mysterious mail here in this ML (Right?).
I don=B4t know Thomas personally, but feel that I must defend his decision =
about passing on that mail. Remember: this time you (Rosa) got to know =
about a rumour and could respond to it. What about rumours that everyone =
but you know about? Aren=B4t they worse? If this message was sent to =
Thomas that Davenport didn=B4t know at all it could be send to anyone (and =
may have been?).
That said I understand fully that it is pretty annoying to be confronted =
with that sort of gossip, but I think you are both shooting the messenger =
boy.>>

While I appreciate being tied in with Don here, and while I even more
appreciate his warm words ((sorry Don, I can't appreciate the cold words
<-note: joke)); Don and I are not close friends. We've never met in
person, and I'm sure Don has zero idea of what I look like. On the other
hand, we are fandom survivors who have been around over 25 years in fandom...

I think I objected stronger than Don to this, as I hope I would object
to any harmful gossip to any member of this group. I'm glad Don was
able to clear this up, but what if the guy hadn't responded - would we wonder
if Don was a thief?

I still feel that harmful gossip should be either ignored, or sent to the
gossiped about...
However I'm rather sorry than that no one asked me about gossip
about the members I mentioned; because I would have pulled out:

DON MARKSTEIN used to drink red cream soda! And was unhappy when red dye
#6 (was that the #?) was banned! (I hope you don't mind my sharing that
peice of 25 year old news with the group Don). If you do, have your lawyer
contact my lawyer.

Steven Rowe

HARRY:
The illustrations that I plan to do for PICSOU (France) will be all-new
scenes just for Pascal Pierrey, the very nice editor of that magazine. He
wants me to do something special just for PICSOU. I can't/shouldn't do
covers since it's been determined that PICSOU sells best with covers
featuring very simplified (but good!) scenes with Donald. So I'll try doing
"interior covers"... a full-page scene from one of the stories in the
issue, I assume a Barks or Rosa story, normally. Now, Disney policies being
what they are (referenced in my last message), Pascal really can't prevent
these scenes from later appearing in any other Disney comic anywhere on the
planet. But since the scenes will be like "pin-up" pages and not
necessarilly laid out to be suitable as actual covers, perhaps no one else
will see a use for them. Also, other publishers need to be aware of stuff
in order to order photostats, and they might not even notice something
appearing in PICSOU which normally is all reprints from Egmont or the other
producers of most of the Disney stories. Anyway... if a completist like
yourself wants these scenes, you might need to find a way to get aholt of
each issue of PICSOU from now on.

DIDIER:
Who will be in Lucca in November? Moi! Yeah, I found that I was finishing
up my German tour on Oct. 31, so I will try (at Lucca's invitation, of
course) to get to Lucca as soon as I can. However, I doubt that I can reach
the Fair before the final day of Sunday. I think I'll be in town by
Saturday evening, and perhaps I can find you and we can have another
gathering with the same gang as at that nice restaurant in Rome!

PER:
Now that I've brought up this subject of my travels, I recall that I
sometimes get "scolded" because I don't tell enough about where I'll be in
the future. I have a hard time getting myself into that sort of
self-promotional mode... but here is a few words about my travels for the
rest of 1997 in case you want to make a note of them somewhere on your vast
whizbang website.
I still figure I'll be in Porto, Portugal, for their comics fair on its
first weekend of September 27/28, and I'll probably be there during part of
the following week. But no definite travel dates yet. (Do we have a single
Portuguese member on this List?)
My main trip will be in late October - early November. First I'll go to
Germany for my annual signing tour for Ehapa, this time for their boxed-set
of "Lo$" albums. And just today they faxed me a list of the towns I'll be
visiting. In each of these towns I'll be doing a signing at a comic shop or
large book store, but I don't know those details. So, what good this info
is for hunting me down, I'm not sure. I doubt if it would be worthwhile to
go to these towns and roam the streets aimlessly hoping to bump into me.
Maybe Ehapa will answer queries concerning exact locales. But here is the
travel schedule: (and I hope I don't misspell anything!)
Oct. 26 -- Frankfurt
Oct. 27 -- Geissen
Oct. 28 -- Mainz and Wurzburg
Oct. 29 -- Heidelburg and Heilbonn
Oct. 30 -- Karlsruhe and Pforzheim
Oct. 31 -- Ulm and Augsburg

On Nov. 1 I'll try to reach Lucca as soon as I can. I'll then spend most of
the first week of November in Italy, and List memeber Fabio Gadducci is
arranging some travel ideas and appearances that might involve Milan and
Naples and Genoa. I'll mention plans when they become definite.

Then, sometime during that week I'll go to Helsinki for some appearances,
and conclude the trip at the Helsinki Comic Fair on Nov. 7-9.

Somewhere in those 2 weeks I expected to be visiting Oslo and Copenhagen,
but I still haven't heard any further info from those folks, and my time
seems to be pretty much already filled up. And two weeks is already too
long to leave my poor, lonely wife at home alone, so back I'll need to
hurry (also to get back to work!).

can u send me some pictures of any cartoons?
email me at: (Email removed)

> If you're overwhelmed by time paradoxes ("paradoxen"? "Paradice"?) when
it
> comes to the Ducks, the above is the reason to go for the Peter Pan
theory.
>
Augie,

Hmm. I kind of like the idea that we are caught in a time warp with the
Ducks where none of us grow older, ducks nor humans. Maybe the Ducks
staying about the same age has a certain appeal to us as we age and refuse
to grow up (give up fantasy).

Of course I have always believed that Donald went through 3 ages: 1) A
wild and unruly prankster (pre Barks); 2) About 20 years old and still
immature when he receives HD&L (who are also very young, unruly, and
immature); 3) An "adult" as adult as Donald will ever get, and of course
about that time HD&L have matured a little and are usually the sensible
ones instead of always pranksters themselves. Uncle $crooge himself almost
seems to get younger after the first two stories he appears in, but I
figure that is due to the influence of the younger ducks, Donald and HD&L
and the whole process of opening up his life to the world around him as he
did when he sent for the Ducks in the first place.

Kathy

CHRIS asked:

>While we're on the subject of sports-based Disney comics,
>have there been any memorable European Disney stories
>based on the World Cup? How free are the
>companies to use World Cup insignia, etc.?

Which <World Cup>?
In case you mean the **soccer** World Cup, I remember only one "special"
issue devoted to it (CWD 54b of May 1974), reprinted at least once (CD 65 of
May 1982).
This was a <fat> book like the ones for the Olympic games, and it was
interesting because of a long Duck story partly drawn by Marco Rota.
This story was clearly a "reprise" of an old story by Lius Destuet (El Pato
Donald 249-277 from Argentina (1949 !!!) which I remember had baffled me in
my youth for its non-standard
situation of Donald playing soccer with a co-hero ("Angelino") who never
starred any more.
Moreover, the artist of that old story (whose name I only recently learned
to be Destuet) had never any more re-appeared on "Topolino"! (Although I
last year found out that some of his work had been published in the "Albi
D'Oro")

At least two stories on the soccer world cup have appeared on "Topolino".

I TL 1584-A (Topolino e il mistero del "Mundial")
I TL 2014-1 (La coppa racconta: Amelia e le magie azzurre), script by Bruno
Sarda, art by Silvia Ziche, where Magica uses her spells to try and help the
Italian soccer team win the 1994 World Cup - so we know why she never
manages to get hold of the Dime! ;-)

plus a special series expecially dedicated to the event:
"Mundial Story" (TL 1585 to TL 1592).

There are probably others. And what in the "Egmont" countries?

Marco

STEVEN ROWE:
>Just got a complaint about my listing the contents of the Acclaim and
> Disney Adventures comics...

I certainly don't speak for all List Members, but I don't mind the
UPDATES you give. If it wasn't for you (and David Gerstein)
mentioning that "Quack Pack" was being featured in "Disney
Adventures Magazine" this month I probably would have snubbed it
since I had concluded that magazine was no longer printing Disney
tales based on the animated series from The Disney Afternoon.
Unlike Gladstone's upcoming comics which can be checked out
at their website, I don't know of any computer-based means of
checking out what is coming up in DAM (Disney Adventures
Magazine) or Acclaim Comics. There doesn't seem to be a page
at Acclaim's website devoted to Disney Comics. Not that I could
find anyhow (other than "PREVIEWS" catalogue).
So..thanx...

>I was wondering if anyone in the world was publishing Talespin
>comics...

Aside from the ones you mentioned from Disney (itself) and Marvel,
I know most of the TaleSpin stories printed in "Disney's Colossal
Comics Collection (digest-sized format) were reprints, but since I
don't own every issue of "Disney Adventures Magazine" I'm not
certain they were ALL reprints... some may have been new (at least
to us in the USA). However there were only 10 issues (with a
promise of an 11th which never materialized).

I'm another fan of "The Disney Afternoon" (TDA) and, I guess the
new format would be, "One Saturday Morning*" (OSM) cartoons
that would love to see all-new comicbook tales based on those shows.
I'm not particularly interested in seeing comics based on DOUG,
PEPPER ANN, NIGHTMARE NED or RECESS, but all of the
"furry" cartoons would be nice to see (including new GARGOYLES
stories). I even liked the comics based on the Disney/Henson
"DINOSAURS" (featuring the "Sinclair Family"). I have a strong
suspicion that European and South American Disney Comics still
feature RESCUE RANGER, DUCKTALES and other comics in
their digest books. I find it immensely crazy that Disney comics in
France could produce a lengthy run of stories based on "The Black
Cauldron" (in Journal de Mickey) which is a feature film we can't
even get Disney to put on video (so those of us who were not in the
country when it was released in 1985 can finally get to see it). :-(

* [I realize "Disney's One Saturday Morning" is a showcase for
some of the programs I excluded, but 101 DALMATIANS is
periferrally called a "One Saturday Morning" program, and I am
retroactively including all "Saturday Only" Disney animated
series that did not appear in "The Disney Afternoon" M-F time
period, like MARSUPILAMI and THE LITTLE MERMAID. Of
course some programs like GARGOYLES and ALADDIN had
both TDA & OSM shows, which I think 101 DALMATIANS
does also, but in my area, they've stopped televising ANY
TDA progamming and we ONLY get the OSM shows now :-( ].

Though I realize this is inconsequential to some, others do seem
interested: Perhaps a new set of "universe" catagories is needed?

I submit:

DCF = "Disney Classic Films" - Comics based on the classic films
from SNOW WHITE to the JUNGLE BOOK (the period
which represents Wlat Disney's direct oversight before
his death).

DCC = "Disney Classic Cartoons" - Comics based on characters
from Silly Symphonies and other classic animation from
the Disney studios, which, of course would include
Mickey Mouse, Donald Duck, Uncle Scrooge and Goofy,
as well as the Three Little Pigs and Bucky Bug, and all
'spin-off' or original series like the Beagle Boys or Moby
Duck.

CDC = "Contemporary Disney Classics" - Comics based on modern
feature films beginning post-Walt with the ARISTOCATS
to MULAN, TARZAN and beyond.

TDA & OSM = "The Disney Afternoon" & "One Saturday Morning"
as mentioned above. Though, the line here obviously blurs
where the series showcased are sequels to CDCs such as
ALADDIN, HERCULES and others, which makes a
publisher like ACCLAIM the appropriate route.

-Rich (xephyr)
http://www.jps.net/xephyr/rich/disney.html