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I think it was Brix Lichtenberg who asked this (a couple digests ago)
"In the 50's there was a terrific Mickey/Donald parody in MAD by Bill
Elder. It was reprinted in a MAD pocket book ("Inside Mad"). Does
anybody know the number of the original issue? I'd like to know because
DC is reprinting the classic MAD issues."

"Mickey Rodent" (name of that parody) was first published in MAD #19 - jan.1955.
It seems that it will be reprinted in the 7th issue of the new Mad-EC Reprints
series somewhere late 1998 or early 1999. But that story has already been reprinted
in color some 20 years ago in the one of the first MAD Super Specials -- back then
they inserted a fac-simile color MAD in some issues.

As for now public domain toons:
Some digests ago I started to ask about banned toons. The discussion led to some
copyright info in subsequent digests.
Mark Mayerson said that some of the now public domain Warner toons went into
public domain because momebody at Warner legal department didn't renew the
copyright for such cartoons as "Corny Concerto" and such.
Well - if the pre-1948 Warner toons have been sold to AAP for TV distribution, I
think the fault was AAP's, not Warner's since by that time they didn't think in
commercializing that batch of cartoons no more, but AAP's. Anyway, present-time
owner of those toons, Turner (now Warner) still presents them in Cartoon Network.
Turner also banned a series of toons (that's the list I want to get somewhere)
because of racism or politicaly uncorrect stuff.
Many toons from that period appear in those U$ 3.00 or less cheap anthologies you
buy at the drugstore along with material from defunct studios like Uberks'or Van
Buren's, and Paramount ones (Famous Studios) are commonly found on those
anthologies.
But the subject is Disney so let's concentrate in it. I've seen some Disney toons
on those anthologies (with titles like 'Donald and Friend"or such).
One was that famous uncopyrighted I.R.S. toon.
The other one was that one about a car - a Disney adaptation of a children book. I
forgot the title but I have seen it in one of those cheap anthologies some time
ago. I think someone at Disney's Legal Department forgot to renew that one too.
Please if someone has more info, tell me!

ota
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Dwight Decker said:
<<"Bugs Bunny Nips the Nips" isn't in that collection, but was in
Volume I of MGM's series of boxed laserdisc sets of Warner toons.
I've heard that the cartoon was omitted from a subsequent reissue
of the collection, supposedly due to Turner policy, and the first
edition has acquired collectible status and high prices on the
secondary market as a result.>>

Maybe so, but as of just a few months ago, the Laser Disc set was still in
print, and still available (from folks like Ken Crane) at regular retail
with Nips the Nips still on it.
There is no (as of yet)set without it.
Steven Rowe

At 1:13 AM -0700 9/9/97, Ota wrote:

>The other one was that one about a car - a Disney adaptation of a children
>book. I
>forgot the title but I have seen it in one of those cheap anthologies some
>time
>ago. I think someone at Disney's Legal Department forgot to renew that one
>too.
>Please if someone has more info, tell me!

The title was "Suzie, the Little Blue Coupe". I've heard tell that a
diecast Suzie was released a couple of years back; don't know where or
when. Anyone?

-MMM-

KALEVALA:

It's odd to see so many "foreigners" discussing Kalevala. :)
Anyway, Uncle $crooge trying to find the legendary Sampo
would propably work as a concept for U$ adventure in Finland.
(As Mikko Pohjola earlier mentioned.)

Don Rosa wrote:
> about an announcement of an interesting (!) policy change that Egmont will
> soon begin

That's VERY good news indeed.

/Mikko

About the how-much-money-does-Scrooge-really-have discussion:

I just read the story "The second richest duck" by Carl Barks and noticed
that on page 2 panel 5 Scrooge says that he has 8100 cubic metres of money.

Jo

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Nils Helge Karstad wrote:

>The first (probably an OS) about Donald and the nephews on camping in a
>forest.

This is Vacation Time (vacation Parade 1)
In Norway it is called Teltturen, published 4 times:
Walt Disneys serier 7/54
Walt Disneys m?nedshefte 6/67
Godbiter 40 (1982)
DD 22/93

>The second one is a WDC.
>It starts with Donald yelling at the nephews who plays cowboys in his
>vegetable garden (wrong word ?).

This is Child Psycologist (WDC 92)
In Norway it is called Barnepsykologen/Barnas venn,
published 3 times:
DD 9/49
DD 19/77
DD for 30 ?r siden: 11/79 (opptrykk av 9/49)

PS! There is a Norwegian Barks-index published by Donaldistene.
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One good thing about getting old is that people believe you when you say
"I don't remember"

NILS LID HJORT --
"Barks proved in U.S. #18 that such a thing can be successfully
carried out! "
Mmmmm... yes and no. He did a REASONABLY good job of it, but
my standards for scansion are very high. (I'm not even 100% pleased
with what I did here a few days ago, tho thanx for liking it.) There
were many cases of the word "the" getting a heavy beat. This may be
inevitable when you've got a tribe with a three-syllable name,
accent on the second, but all that indicates is that Barks should
have named them a little bit differently. His ear for language is
very nearly impeccable, but on that particular piece, I can't give
him more than an A-minus in that department (tho the story itself,
of course, is splendid).
Four-beat iambic verse... I'm up to my ears in that right
now, trying to compose a Bucky Bug script for WDC&S. They're short,
but each page takes a LOT of composition!

ON THE RELATIVE EXPRESSIVENESS OF DUCK VS. MOUSE FACES --
(Who was it who first mentioned that a couple of days ago?)
I happened to see a Mouse cartoon go by on The Disney Channel
the other day -- had to be early '30s, both because of what he was
wearing and because it looked like colorized b&w rather than
original color -- where Mickey gave a big, toothy grin in 3/4 view.
And he looked just like Uncle Sid from the comic strip ERNIE. (For
anyone not familiar with this character, his grin, accompanied with
the caption "would you buy a used car from this man?", would get a
laugh anywhere in the world. And he came by his grin honestly --
Sid is a member in good standing of the Piranha Club.)
If that's the best they can do with his face from that angle,
you're right -- the Mouse face is not nearly as expressive as the
Duck face.

RICH BELLACERA --
Does the "unique position" you refer to for Gus and Jaq have
to do with their being feature characters who crossed over into the
"world" of the series-cartoon folks? If so, Jiminy Cricket also made
that transition -- and more thoroughly, as he's guest-starred with
quite a few characters. If it's the fact that they became regular
supporting characters, then Madame Mim, from THE SWORD IN THE STONE,
pretty much qualifies, since she shared a book with the Beagle Boys
in the '60s. And Figaro, from PINOCCHIO, was for a brief time, at
least in cartoons, Minnie Mouse's cat.
Back then, a Disney character was pretty much just a Disney
character. They crossed over back and forth, features to Silly
Symphonies to series characters, even more freely (to say nothing of
years earlier) than Marvel superheroes. (Did You Know -- The Big Bad
Wolf was on Mickey Mouse's polo team...)

GARY LEACH --
I've been meaning to ask -- just where is the line drawn
between "traditional" Disney characters and "modern" ones? I mean,
I'm so old I think of Madame Mim as a newcomer, and even Scamp is
borderline -- and such newfangles as Winnie the Pooh are just about
beyond the pale. So -- if the bird and worm from THE FOX AND THE
HOUND suddenly, for whatever reason, become a hot property, would
you or Acclaim be the ones with the rights?

NILS HELGE KARSTAD --
I don't have story codes, but if it helps, the first story
you ask about originally appeared in WALT DISNEY VACATION PARADE #1
(1950) and the second in WDC&S #92 (May, 1948).

Quack, Don=