Keskustelujen arkisto

What I see is most folks don't mind my listings, and some folks like the
listing as it helps them to look at issues (if there is something mentioned
of interest).
So I will continue these listings. I waited on Disney Enchanting Stories #2-
and the new one came out earlier this week (so I'm told - I won't get mine
for another week and a half). So, I won't be listing #2 other than
mentioning it contained: Pocahontas, Beauty and the Beast, Hercules, Snow
White and 101 Dalmations.

Acclaim's Disney comics are available in comic shops, I have yet to see them
in book shops.
Dismey Adventures are not available in comic shops, but are available at most
newstands, grocery stores, and book stores.

Steven Rowe

I did NOT intend to post duplicate messages the other day. The
computer told me the first hadn't been sent. My fault for believing
it, I guess, but what're ya gonna do?

DON ROSA --
I guess I haven't really internalized the size of the Disney
comics market in Europe -- here, even the biggest comics aren't
enough to make tabloid victims of their creators. I can see where
being famous in the larger venue that I thought this wasn't (if that
clause isn't too convoluted) would inure you to the piddly little
thing you just went through -- but then, I can also see where it
might make you hypersensitive to such things. I'm glad you've taken
the less stressful point of view.
I think I did suggest, some time ago, that I might be
addressed as "Donald", if having two Dons would be too much. Now
that I'm looking at it, tho, it seems alien. I use it in dealing
with banks, insurance companies and other corporations (which is why
my CompuServe account uses that name), but the last actual human
being to call me that was a girlfriend who -- oh, but let's NOT get
into THAT... Another suggestion I made then was that the one who had
been using the name longer should get to keep it. (Just over half a
century for me. You?)
What the heck, tho, if that other Disney Donald can appear in
stories set in two or more universes, this group ought to be able to
accommodate two or more Dons.
(I do SOMETIMES use my full first name, plus middle initial,
as a byline, but only for Disney stuff. But the only reason I do
that is because once in awhile somebody will make the connection and
ask "Oh yeah? And what's the D stand for?")

BYRON ERICKSON --
Hooray! And congratulations on getting the policy changed. I
know it was an uphill battle.
Oh yes -- and also, thanks!

ROB GIBSON --
"... documentary explaining that Walt Disney went deeply into debt to
produce "Cinderella". ... perhaps it would help to explain the
bizarre appearance of 14th century french mice on a 20th century
american farm"
You figure they were moonlighting to help Uncle Walt meet his
expenses? I dunno. If they were stockholders, sure -- maybe even if
they were on a profit sharing plan. But my impression is, they were
just grunts. Can't see 'em knocking themselves out to keep the
studio solvent.
As I've said before, I flatly and simply have no problem with
it. I rolled my eyes worse when I saw the early descriptions of
TALE SPIN -- jungle animals who don't even wear clothing, and
suddenly they're flying airplanes?
While it would, indeed, be bizarre for 14th century French
mice to live on a 20th century American farm, there is nothing at
all bizarre about Disney characters who are mice in a fairy tale
setting moving in with a Disney character who is a duck in a rural
setting. For all we know, Cinderella's house might be just over the
hill from Grandma Duck's farm -- in THAT set of stories.

JONATHAN MARKOFF --
"Gus and Jaq at Grandma Duck's farm is my breaking point."
And yet, you accept Gus GOOSE as Grandma DUCK's nephew?

"If you mention Donald's uncle Scrooge to the average American,
you'll hear "Scrooge isn't a Disney character! He comes from a story
by Charles Dickens!" "
I think you're wrong. I think the average American knows
"our" Scrooge -- tho perhaps again, as you note for the others, more
as a merchandising icon than a character. A surprising number of
Americans of my generation remember him from their youth. (A few
months ago, I caught TV GUIDE using the phrase "out-smart the
smarties".) Even more know him from DUCK TALES -- if not from
watching the cartoon, then from the buzz that surrounded the
merchandising of it. In fact, I think it's likely MORE Americans
would think of McDuck first and Ebeneezer second when asked to
identify "Scrooge". (So why doesn't anybody buy the comics?)

MARCO BARLOTTI --
I read PINOCCHIO when I was in my 20s, and disliked it.
Possibly it's better in Italian, but it seemed less a story to me
than a series of quasi-connected warnings about what can happen to
bad little boys. The character didn't seem to grow in any plausibly
organic way, but just kept doing the same stupid things until, at
the end, he stopped. In this case, I like the Disney version better.

DWIGHT DECKER --
Re: that woman who claimed Disney was espousing Satanism (or
whatever) because Magica deSpell appeared in a story: There's nobody
more superstitious than a Christian fundamentalist. I have no
objection to her (or anyone else) protecting her children from what
they see as pernicious influences. The problems arise when they try
to "protect" MY children from what they see as pernicious influences.
As for the general objection to story characters doing
unsavory things like gamble and swear -- geez! If the bad guys
aren't allowed to do bad things, how are we going to KNOW they're
bad guys?

WILMER RIVERS --
"why do current-day Disney authors, who have no need to hype the
Cinderella movie, continue to use Gus and Jacques in their stories?"
Maybe they just LIKE the cute li'l fellers.

Quack, Don=

SOEREN:

> they are
> printing an ironic twopager about how a Disney comic is produced...
> Quite funny gags, idea Byron Erickson & Helge Barner, art by Vicar.

This is probably some material that was made for internal Egmont use,
which I think was part of the syllabus to the Egmont seminar of a few
weeks ago. Can anyone confirm that?

ANYONE:

The Dutch "DD Extra" of this month prints Don Rosa's "Hearts of the
Yukon". And guess what? Though they print it in one part, they used
the 3-part version (with splash panels on pages 9 and 17)...

--Harry.

On the subject of how Disney feature animation films are usually very
different from the original:

I am a collector and reader of novels written for children, and have been so
since my own childhood (I'm 46). I am also a lifelong Disney fan, and have
been since seeing Lady and the Tramp at a very young age. This has presented
many conflicts for me over the years, ranging from: "How could they have
gotten it so wrong?" (Bedknobs and Broomsticks), "Some nice moments from the
book, but they could have done much better" (The Sword in the Stone), "This
is nothing like the book, but is a wonderful film." (Mary Poppins), "Captures
the spirit of the book very well, despite being very Disney" (Bambi), "What
book did the Disney adapters read? Certainly not the one I have." (The Fox
and the Hound).
I have come to approach a Disney adaptation of a favorite book with both
avid curiosity and dread, and in some cases, even Disney seems to take that
approach, such as with The Black Cauldron, which I thought had some nice
moments, but as usual missed the point and spirit of the original for the
most part. Disney USA seems to want to forget they ever issued that one.
Overall, I am happier when they stick to original stories or adaptations of
classic myths and fairytales, though some of those can be equally
wrong-headed, Hercules being a good example.

Todd

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On Sep 27, 3:52pm, Tarjei Kidd Olsen wrote:

> Not only Christian fundamentalists are into witches though; I know/knew (he
> lives in either Iceland or Africa now) a guy when I lived in Ireland who
> claimed he was a "White witch"(I won't go into any more detail regarding all
> this)...He didn't seem like a complete crackpot or anything to me, and was
> highly technically skilled and intelligent. So not everyone would agree with
> your view that
>
> > witchcraft is just made-up
> >fairy-tale stuff,
>
> Not that I think he meant "witch" in the traditional way. But ofcourse this
> doesn't really have very much to do with Disney comics, I just couldn't
> resist mentioning it after seeing your very confident statement.
>
Just because some New-Agey types take the old nonsense seriously
doesn't mean they're any more right than the Christians who think
it's a threat. My take on it is that historically, such "witchcraft"
as was practiced in Europe was the pathetic remnants of old pagan
traditions that a few people practiced secretly despite official
Church disapproval. Maybe some folk remedies for minor diseases
got added to the mix, treatments that actually worked as a result
of centuries of trial and error by peasant farmers, but actual
magic? Calling up demons? All the really heavy-duty stuff witches
are supposed to be able to do? Just made-up fairy-tale stuff.

--Dwight Decker

At 15:52 27.09.97 +0200, Daniel wrote:
> witchcraft is just made-up
>fairy-tale stuff, and it was all in fun with a little imagination-
>stretching. (What I'm forgetting is that some Christian fundamentalists
>actually believe in the physical existence of demons and witchcraft,
>and that to talk about such things, even to jest about them, is to
>invite them in.

Could you define the term "fundamentalist" (in privat mail?)
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Vidar Svendsen http://home.sol.no/vsvends

One good thing about getting old is that people believe you when you say
"I don't remember"

Hello again,

As I said some back issues ago, I realized a small application to
realize a sort of international Disney survey, but I get no answers at
all, except from one person. Maybe you are not interested in it, but
(following Archontis? example) maybe that you need a little remaind:
first of all it is no more difficult to reach the site: the only
location you need to reach is:

http://www.confor.it:2222/disney

the you?ll have two choiches: the first link will take you to a simple
form with no mandatory fields where you can insert your preferences
about Disney comics (preferred charachter, artist, etc.). I changed the
page style deleteing all the entries referring to names or e-mail
addresses, but remember, you can fill in only the fields you want to
fill! When you'll see the form, there will be two fields for each of
these topics: preferred charachter, preferred author and preferred
artist. The first one allows to select an author (or a charachter or an
artist) from the ones already inserted in the database, the second one
allows to insert in the database the name of a new author (or a
charachter or an artist) not previously included in the DB.

The second link will take you to see the votation?s results updated with
your vote (no delays at all).

If these pages will have a little bit of success I'll surely have the
chance to realize some more interesting services on the web using the
Oracle database such as a page where everyone can post his announcements
about buy and/or selling comics, or any other idea I'll receive from you
all!!! (I *REALLY* hope to receive them)

Well, enough typing for today, see you soon!

p.s.: checking last answers, I discovered a very strange thing: there
was just *ONE* person who answered my questions, but there were *OVER
40* answers about the preferred story... and the greatest part of them
were votes for "The guardians of the lost library"... maybe something
didn?t worked out properly, and so I decided to reset those votes to
one.

CIAO,

Paolo Castagno alias Luna Storta
http://www.geocities.com/Paris/3088/index.html

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Dear Fran=E7ois,
thank you for your warm hello, for coming into this list.
The story you talked about, with Marco Barlotti, was made by Leonardo =

Gori and Andrea Sani (my friends and co-workers in sono books about =

comics), who had the basic idea to recreate (haw was it possible) the =

mood of the old Martina/Scarpa's story "Topolino e il doppio mistero =

di Macchia Nera". For this reason there was Macchia Nera and with him =

the Mad Hatter. But Scarpa didn't draw it, so... it looked a little =

bit different from our intentions, even if i drew a very detailed =

storyboard for each page (as I usually do, for all the stories of =

mine, which -I think- has some peculiarity, like the new discover of =

old, forgotten characters). =

For your information, I sent you the list of all the stories I wrote. =

Some of them are not included in the data base you know, because they =

were made to be included in books, sold in bookshops or "cartolerie". =

One of them, anyway, drawn by R. Santillo, was also reprinted in =

France, in "Le Journal de Mickey".
Here is the list (with title, number of pages, artist, code and =

date)...
1992
Walt Disney presenta Topolino, 3 (1/2+1+1/2+1), Giovan Battista Carpi; =

con l'assistenza di Andrea Freccero, Stefano Pach=EC e Leopoldo =

Barbarini (c), WDPT

Topolino e il mistero dell'Apprendista stregone, 17, Giovan Battista =

Carpi; Andrea Freccero, Stefano Pach=EC e Leopoldo Barbarini (c); storia =

dipinta; WDPT

Walt Disney presenta Qui Quo Qua, 2 e 1/2 (1+1/2+1), Giovan Battista =

Carpi; con l'assistenza di Andrea Antonucci e Sara Storino, WDPQQQ

Sta' in guardia dal Lago di Guarda, 16, Giovan Battista Carpi; (it's =

not a story written by me, only a "parziale adattamento di una =

sceneggiatura di Carl Barks"), WDPQQQ

1993
Walt Disney presenta Pippo, 3 (1/2+1+1/2+1), Roberto Santillo; WDPPI

Pippo in: Come si diventa detective, 17, Roberto Santillo; WDPPI

Walt Disney presenta Paperino, 3 (1/2+1+1/2+1), Giovan Battista Carpi; =

WDPP

Al=EC Paperino e la lampada in condominio, 16, Giovan Battista Carpi; =

Luciano Milano; WDPP

Topolino e il grande colpo di Macchia Nera, con Leonardo Gori e Andrea =

Sani; 54 (27+27), Tiberio Colantuoni, M2 442 =

60 anni insieme con Topolino (I episodio), 8, Andrea Freccero, TL1984 =

60 anni insieme con Topolino (II episodio), 8, Andrea Freccero, TL1985
=

60 anni insieme con Topolino (III episodio), 8, Fabio Celoni, TL1986

60 anni insieme con Topolino (IV episodio), 8, Alberto Lavoradori, =

TL1987

1994
60 anni insieme con Topolino (V episodio), 8, Claudio Panarese, TL1988

60 anni insieme con Topolino (VI episodio), 8, Stefano Mirone, TL1989

60 anni insieme con Topolino (VII episodio), 8, Andrea Ferraris, =

TL1990

60 anni insieme con Topolino (VIII episodio), 8, Paolo Mottura, TL1991

60 anni insieme con Topolino (IX episodio), 8, Alessandro Perina, =

TL1992

60 anni insieme con Topolino (X episodio), 8, Silvio Camboni, TL1993

60 anni insieme con Topolino (XI episodio), 8, Lucio Leoni, TL1994

1995
Pippo telespettatore all'ingrosso, 22, Romano Scarpa, TL
2072 (15/8)

1996
Pippo, Gancio e le fatiche domestiche, 24, Alessandro Perina, TL 2120 =

(16/7)

1997
Una baita per Ciccio, 24, Romano Scarpa, TL 2161 (29/4)

Sgrizzo reporter ma non troppo, 28, Andrea Freccero, TL 2169 (24/6)

Paperinik e la nefasta caricatura, 56, maybe Gigi Piras, TL next to =

come =

Gancio il dritto e il portentoso germogliorama, 31, Andrea Ferraris, =

TL next to come

That's all, for now!
Bye! Luca