GARY LEACH wrote:
<<But then, was putting Gus & Jaq into the Grandma Duck featurettes, just on
the face of it, loony? I think it was pretty cagy, myself. It got 'em into
those popular duck books, after all.>>
But wouldn't there have been more logical ways to do it than to shoehorn
these characters into a completely inappropriate, anachronistic scenario?
Why not simply give them a feature all their own, as was done with such
"second-line" Disney characters as Li'l Bad Wolf, Bucky Bug, Little Hiawatha,
etc.? It would have accomplished the supposed "business purpose" of getting
the mice into a popular comic book ("the best-selling comic book of all
time," no less) and would not have crossed the two universes so clumsily.
-- Christopher E. Barat
(Email removed)
http://members.aol.com/cebarat/home.htm
"AYE-AYE, CAPTAIN GREED!" -- Nephew to Scrooge, "DuckTales" episode "Too Much
of a Gold Thing"
Author
Topic: 199709
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Cebarat
Disney Comics Digest V97 #203
Message 241 -
1997-09-22 at 06:03:15
Don Rosa
Disney comics Digest V97 #204
Message 242 -
1997-09-22 at 08:53:54
KRITON:
Would I do a story about the Greek Olympic games because I already did a
story about the 1994 Norwegian Winter Olympics? Well, no... that was an
"accident". I didn't choose to do that other story... exactly. My good
friend, the Norwegian DD weekly editor, wanted me to do a story about the
Winter Olympics in Oslo. So, I thought, I couldn't do that because my
stories are not set in the present, but in some jumbled 1950s time period.
But then I realized, hey, I can stick to my self-imposed time frame AND
help my Norwegian friend by doing a story set in the *1952* Norwegian
Olympics! And that's what I did! Ha! But LATER the editor decided he wanted
me to show the Lillehammer ski jump. Ouch. I was stuck. My script dealt
with the 1952 Olympics, but the view of the ski-jump was 1994
Lillehammer... and the title changed to reflect that.
My World Almanac isn't in reach. Was there an Olympics in Greece in the
50s? (I think not.)
By the way... the 100th Olympics should have been in Greece. Sorry we had
them in Atlanta.
DONALD AND STEVEN:
You seem to wonder why I wasn't very bothered by the false accusations
being posted by the Gary Davenport guy who I met once in 1973. And Donald
says that it's lucky I'm not more famous in a vaster venue or I'd have to
put up with more. Well, maybe that's why this little incident didn't bother
me -- I do seem to BE famous in a vaster venue... Europe. In Europe there
has been at least one libelous article about me planted in a tabloid
newspaper by people whose intent was far more malicious than Davenport's
and who knew I am financially unable and too far removed to fight back
about such things. In Europe I am so well known (they tell me) that someone
can actually interest a "National Enquirer" type tabloid in a phony
"expose" article about me, like I was a third-rate movie or rock star.
That's the sorta stuff I put up with normally, and am less able to deal
with as quickly as I did this triviality with Davenport. Fortunately, such
attempts to discredit me in tabloids are futile -- the people who know me
and know some of the background personalities involved all know that stuff
is lies... and the people who don't know me and don't read funnybooks and
who *might* believe the stuff... they don't CARE. So, no harm done.
Harry was wondering what Davenport was trying to do with that strange
23-year-old accusation. I can only guess: I met him one time when he
attended one of those mini-conventions I useta give at my home (my parent's
home). Did you notice his message contained a seemingly pointless comment
about my living in the swanky side of town. I grew up in a rahthuh NICE
house... terrazzo floors throughout, gigantic Italian marble bathrooms with
sunken tubs, a 20 ft. Ming Tree tile mural in the stairwell... the house
was a "showplace" that would be featured in the Sunday roto-graveure
newspaper sections... built by the $$$ from that 85-year-old family
construction company that I liquidated to become a cartoonist.
Maybe Davenport saw me as a rich college kid, and he wasn't. And Davenport
was also an aspiring cartoonist, as I recall.
23 years later -- he stumbles onto several of those "Don Rosa websites"
where some of the nice folks on this ML treat me a little *too* nicely.
Then he went further and started reading those "guest logs" with callers
leaving even NICER comments about my work. I seemed to be successful (he
can't see my bank account). Maybe this pissed him off because he didn't
like me 23 years ago...? So, thinking I was existing off in some Ivory
Tower, he decided to try to blacken my image in front of these "Rosa
zombies" by sending those messages to the webmasters of several of those
sites. I'm guessing that he never dreamt I was in daily contact with all
these folks and they would tell me about it instantly ... and I can imagine
he was rattled when he got a message from me asking "what the heck are you
talking about?" in less than 24 hours. I don't think he had any specific
intention... I think he'd simply had a knee-jerk reaction to seeing me
praised too highly on the Internet. Why, those websites are all so
over-nice to me that when I read them, sometimes *I* even start to resent
me.
I'd still like to know if I do have his old lamp and why I was supposed to
return it to him. But after sending me his retractions, he won't answer my
further inquiries into what the basis for his gripe was, and he has me
curious now.
Anyway, I thought I already said "that's that"... but I'm still yammering.
That's another that.
Would I do a story about the Greek Olympic games because I already did a
story about the 1994 Norwegian Winter Olympics? Well, no... that was an
"accident". I didn't choose to do that other story... exactly. My good
friend, the Norwegian DD weekly editor, wanted me to do a story about the
Winter Olympics in Oslo. So, I thought, I couldn't do that because my
stories are not set in the present, but in some jumbled 1950s time period.
But then I realized, hey, I can stick to my self-imposed time frame AND
help my Norwegian friend by doing a story set in the *1952* Norwegian
Olympics! And that's what I did! Ha! But LATER the editor decided he wanted
me to show the Lillehammer ski jump. Ouch. I was stuck. My script dealt
with the 1952 Olympics, but the view of the ski-jump was 1994
Lillehammer... and the title changed to reflect that.
My World Almanac isn't in reach. Was there an Olympics in Greece in the
50s? (I think not.)
By the way... the 100th Olympics should have been in Greece. Sorry we had
them in Atlanta.
DONALD AND STEVEN:
You seem to wonder why I wasn't very bothered by the false accusations
being posted by the Gary Davenport guy who I met once in 1973. And Donald
says that it's lucky I'm not more famous in a vaster venue or I'd have to
put up with more. Well, maybe that's why this little incident didn't bother
me -- I do seem to BE famous in a vaster venue... Europe. In Europe there
has been at least one libelous article about me planted in a tabloid
newspaper by people whose intent was far more malicious than Davenport's
and who knew I am financially unable and too far removed to fight back
about such things. In Europe I am so well known (they tell me) that someone
can actually interest a "National Enquirer" type tabloid in a phony
"expose" article about me, like I was a third-rate movie or rock star.
That's the sorta stuff I put up with normally, and am less able to deal
with as quickly as I did this triviality with Davenport. Fortunately, such
attempts to discredit me in tabloids are futile -- the people who know me
and know some of the background personalities involved all know that stuff
is lies... and the people who don't know me and don't read funnybooks and
who *might* believe the stuff... they don't CARE. So, no harm done.
Harry was wondering what Davenport was trying to do with that strange
23-year-old accusation. I can only guess: I met him one time when he
attended one of those mini-conventions I useta give at my home (my parent's
home). Did you notice his message contained a seemingly pointless comment
about my living in the swanky side of town. I grew up in a rahthuh NICE
house... terrazzo floors throughout, gigantic Italian marble bathrooms with
sunken tubs, a 20 ft. Ming Tree tile mural in the stairwell... the house
was a "showplace" that would be featured in the Sunday roto-graveure
newspaper sections... built by the $$$ from that 85-year-old family
construction company that I liquidated to become a cartoonist.
Maybe Davenport saw me as a rich college kid, and he wasn't. And Davenport
was also an aspiring cartoonist, as I recall.
23 years later -- he stumbles onto several of those "Don Rosa websites"
where some of the nice folks on this ML treat me a little *too* nicely.
Then he went further and started reading those "guest logs" with callers
leaving even NICER comments about my work. I seemed to be successful (he
can't see my bank account). Maybe this pissed him off because he didn't
like me 23 years ago...? So, thinking I was existing off in some Ivory
Tower, he decided to try to blacken my image in front of these "Rosa
zombies" by sending those messages to the webmasters of several of those
sites. I'm guessing that he never dreamt I was in daily contact with all
these folks and they would tell me about it instantly ... and I can imagine
he was rattled when he got a message from me asking "what the heck are you
talking about?" in less than 24 hours. I don't think he had any specific
intention... I think he'd simply had a knee-jerk reaction to seeing me
praised too highly on the Internet. Why, those websites are all so
over-nice to me that when I read them, sometimes *I* even start to resent
me.
I'd still like to know if I do have his old lamp and why I was supposed to
return it to him. But after sending me his retractions, he won't answer my
further inquiries into what the basis for his gripe was, and he has me
curious now.
Anyway, I thought I already said "that's that"... but I'm still yammering.
That's another that.
Dr. Archontis Pantsios
DON ROSA SURVEY: AN UPDATE
Message 243 -
1997-09-22 at 12:04:08
Fellow Duckfans:
I'm now done with compiling the results of the Rosa survey; while the whole
process was a bit time consuming (I had expected that, of course) and it
took me the entire weekend to do it (I double-counted the votes to make sure
I didn't overlook something), I must admit that it was GREAT fun!
I will present the results of the Survey in two parts: Part I will cover the
first three categories, with Part II the remaining four.
But you'll have to show a bit more patience; I asked Don to also fill out
the survey (following the advice of some respondents) and send it to the
List prior to me posting the survey's results. Don enthusiasticaly agreed to
do just that before he leaves on his Portugease tour.
Till then,
sitting snugly on the Survey's results,
Archontis
I'm now done with compiling the results of the Rosa survey; while the whole
process was a bit time consuming (I had expected that, of course) and it
took me the entire weekend to do it (I double-counted the votes to make sure
I didn't overlook something), I must admit that it was GREAT fun!
I will present the results of the Survey in two parts: Part I will cover the
first three categories, with Part II the remaining four.
But you'll have to show a bit more patience; I asked Don to also fill out
the survey (following the advice of some respondents) and send it to the
List prior to me posting the survey's results. Don enthusiasticaly agreed to
do just that before he leaves on his Portugease tour.
Till then,
sitting snugly on the Survey's results,
Archontis
Tarjei Kidd Olsen
Disney comics Digest V97 #204
Message 244 -
1997-09-22 at 15:45:43
>I didn't answer the first time, because I know for sure that at least a
>couple of the authors are on this mailing list and I thought they'd be the
>ones interested in advertising their creature ;-)
Maybe they think that if it's really hard to get hold of the book, I'll want
it EVEN MORE!! ;)
>Just one thing puzzles me: what will you do with the book?
Well, I'll stare at the pictures, stare at them some more, *try* to guess
the meanings of some of the words and finally resort to the dictionary (not
that I actually have an Italian dictionary, but that's what the library is
for I guess :)if there's something I *really* want to read ;)
EVERYONE:
Was anyone here at the comic-meeting at Studentersamfundet in Trondheim("Den
niende kunstart")? If so, was it any good?
|| <<<<Tarjei Kidd Olsen>>>> ||
||___________________________||
|| http://home.sol.no/~kidd/ ||
|| (Email removed) ||
>couple of the authors are on this mailing list and I thought they'd be the
>ones interested in advertising their creature ;-)
Maybe they think that if it's really hard to get hold of the book, I'll want
it EVEN MORE!! ;)
>Just one thing puzzles me: what will you do with the book?
Well, I'll stare at the pictures, stare at them some more, *try* to guess
the meanings of some of the words and finally resort to the dictionary (not
that I actually have an Italian dictionary, but that's what the library is
for I guess :)if there's something I *really* want to read ;)
EVERYONE:
Was anyone here at the comic-meeting at Studentersamfundet in Trondheim("Den
niende kunstart")? If so, was it any good?
|| <<<<Tarjei Kidd Olsen>>>> ||
||___________________________||
|| http://home.sol.no/~kidd/ ||
|| (Email removed) ||
Harry Fluks
Dutch Life-of-Scrooge album
Message 245 -
1997-09-22 at 19:21:17
Last week, the 5th Dutch Lo$ album was released. It contains
chapters 11 and 12. Some interesting notes:
They still used the 3-part version of chapter 11. So again, two almost
identical Titanic splash panels next to each other.
A nice copy of Don's cover drawing for U$ 300 was included.
They printed the very first Lo$ page as an extra in the back of the
album, with the following comment:
"Don Rosa calls these twelve stories D.U.C.K.-stories: Dedicated
to Unca Carl from Keno. Halfway the drawing, he decided to make
a separate opening page, because the series, which already was being
published in European magazines, suddenly was issued in the United
States."
(D.U.C.K.-stories? The first page was the first page of chapter 1, which
the Dutch didn't print originally because they started with chapter 3! NOT
because Don decided to draw this extra page for the USA.
Note that the pages in chapter 12 that Don *did* draw especially for
the USA, are not in this album...)
The next album will be called "Life of Scrooge, episode 6", and will contain
"Of Ducks and Dimes and Destinies" and "Last Sled to Dawson".
The cover is shown in this album, and it is a detail from the cover Don made
for the French Picsou 300! Even the "300" is clearly visible on the Woodchuck
flags; the editors apparently didn't notice that!
--Harry.
"Hey! That tickles! Cut it out! Cut it - cut - cut it OUT!"
"He sounds more like a chicken than the HEN does!"
(Mickey and a villain in 1936)
chapters 11 and 12. Some interesting notes:
They still used the 3-part version of chapter 11. So again, two almost
identical Titanic splash panels next to each other.
A nice copy of Don's cover drawing for U$ 300 was included.
They printed the very first Lo$ page as an extra in the back of the
album, with the following comment:
"Don Rosa calls these twelve stories D.U.C.K.-stories: Dedicated
to Unca Carl from Keno. Halfway the drawing, he decided to make
a separate opening page, because the series, which already was being
published in European magazines, suddenly was issued in the United
States."
(D.U.C.K.-stories? The first page was the first page of chapter 1, which
the Dutch didn't print originally because they started with chapter 3! NOT
because Don decided to draw this extra page for the USA.
Note that the pages in chapter 12 that Don *did* draw especially for
the USA, are not in this album...)
The next album will be called "Life of Scrooge, episode 6", and will contain
"Of Ducks and Dimes and Destinies" and "Last Sled to Dawson".
The cover is shown in this album, and it is a detail from the cover Don made
for the French Picsou 300! Even the "300" is clearly visible on the Woodchuck
flags; the editors apparently didn't notice that!
--Harry.
"Hey! That tickles! Cut it out! Cut it - cut - cut it OUT!"
"He sounds more like a chicken than the HEN does!"
(Mickey and a villain in 1936)
Juergen Gebhardt
Be True To APA-I
Message 246 -
1997-09-23 at 00:05:02
STEVEN ROWE:
> Just got a complaint about my listing the contents of the Acclaim and Disney
> Adventures comics...
> If nobody's interested; I'll drop it...
Well, for what it's worth, I'm interested in your contents lists
of Disney Adventures. You can just never know when something
interesting might turn up.
Juergen
> Just got a complaint about my listing the contents of the Acclaim and Disney
> Adventures comics...
> If nobody's interested; I'll drop it...
Well, for what it's worth, I'm interested in your contents lists
of Disney Adventures. You can just never know when something
interesting might turn up.
Juergen
Donald D. Markstein
Disney comics Digest V97 #203
Message 247 -
1997-09-23 at 00:31:30
GARY LEACH --
" Gus & Jaq... some chit-chat about they're being from the wrong
"period" ... might have occurred during a coffee break, but it would
not have usefully informed a serious business decision."
It probably doesn't inform most of the kids, either. I was of
an age to read some of the Grandma/mice stories as they were coming
out, and it didn't bother me. I was aware of how they were used in
CINDERELLA before I came to know them through the comic book (I was
probably taken to see the movie before I could read); and young as
I was, I was aware that their role in the comics conflicted with
this -- even very young children know fairy tales happened long ago
and far away -- but it didn't bother me. Same characters. Different
setting. Big deal.
I've seen the "Archie" characters in a cave-man setting. I've
seen Pinky & the Brain living in H.G. Wells's house instead of Acme
Labs. I've seen Batman set in 19th century Transylvania. For
heaven's sake, look at TALE SPIN.
One of the things I find off-putting about superhero
universes is the compulsive insistence that there must be exactly
one underlying reality behind all the stories told with a given set
of characters. Geez -- there are inconsistencies in the universe WE
live in -- look at your own feelings toward Disney, if you don't
believe me -- so why should a vast body of stories created by a wide
variety of writers and artists all use the same backdrop?
STEVEN ROWE --
I'm sorry to hear you've had a complaint about keeping us up
to date on what Acclaim and the Adventure Digest are doing. You
certainly wouldn't get anything of that sort from me. I'm following
them, even if I don't often have anything to say about it. I'll try
to remember to mention that once in awhile.
My goodness, I scarcely even remembered that "Red Drink"
business! It was mostly local, tho some of it spilled out into
fandom. It was in the grand tradition of CAPA-alpha's letter
campaign to give the Rabbit a taste of Trix, or the later one
demanding blue M&Ms -- making a big deal over something really,
REALLY trivial. I guess the humor probably doesn't hold up... (I'm
sure our non-American readers are scratching their heads right now --
never mind, guys, it's just somebody else's popculch.)
Quack, Don=
" Gus & Jaq... some chit-chat about they're being from the wrong
"period" ... might have occurred during a coffee break, but it would
not have usefully informed a serious business decision."
It probably doesn't inform most of the kids, either. I was of
an age to read some of the Grandma/mice stories as they were coming
out, and it didn't bother me. I was aware of how they were used in
CINDERELLA before I came to know them through the comic book (I was
probably taken to see the movie before I could read); and young as
I was, I was aware that their role in the comics conflicted with
this -- even very young children know fairy tales happened long ago
and far away -- but it didn't bother me. Same characters. Different
setting. Big deal.
I've seen the "Archie" characters in a cave-man setting. I've
seen Pinky & the Brain living in H.G. Wells's house instead of Acme
Labs. I've seen Batman set in 19th century Transylvania. For
heaven's sake, look at TALE SPIN.
One of the things I find off-putting about superhero
universes is the compulsive insistence that there must be exactly
one underlying reality behind all the stories told with a given set
of characters. Geez -- there are inconsistencies in the universe WE
live in -- look at your own feelings toward Disney, if you don't
believe me -- so why should a vast body of stories created by a wide
variety of writers and artists all use the same backdrop?
STEVEN ROWE --
I'm sorry to hear you've had a complaint about keeping us up
to date on what Acclaim and the Adventure Digest are doing. You
certainly wouldn't get anything of that sort from me. I'm following
them, even if I don't often have anything to say about it. I'll try
to remember to mention that once in awhile.
My goodness, I scarcely even remembered that "Red Drink"
business! It was mostly local, tho some of it spilled out into
fandom. It was in the grand tradition of CAPA-alpha's letter
campaign to give the Rabbit a taste of Trix, or the later one
demanding blue M&Ms -- making a big deal over something really,
REALLY trivial. I guess the humor probably doesn't hold up... (I'm
sure our non-American readers are scratching their heads right now --
never mind, guys, it's just somebody else's popculch.)
Quack, Don=
Donald D. Markstein
Junkville Journal
Message 248 -
1997-09-23 at 00:32:19
GARY LEACH --
" Gus & Jaq... some chit-chat about they're being from the wrong
"period" ... might have occurred during a coffee break, but it would
not have usefully informed a serious business decision."
It probably doesn't inform most of the kids, either. I was of
an age to read some of the Grandma/mice stories as they were coming
out, and it didn't bother me. I was aware of how they were used in
CINDERELLA before I came to know them through the comic book (I was
probably taken to see the movie before I could read); and young as
I was, I was aware that their role in the comics conflicted with
this -- even very young children know fairy tales happened long ago
and far away -- but it didn't bother me. Same characters. Different
setting. Big deal.
I've seen the "Archie" characters in a cave-man setting. I've
seen Pinky & the Brain living in H.G. Wells's house instead of Acme
Labs. I've seen Batman set in 19th century Transylvania. For
heaven's sake, look at TALE SPIN.
One of the things I find off-putting about superhero
universes is the compulsive insistence that there must be exactly
one underlying reality behind all the stories told with a given set
of characters. Geez -- there are inconsistencies in the universe WE
live in -- look at your own feelings toward Disney, if you don't
believe me -- so why should a vast body of stories created by a wide
variety of writers and artists all use the same backdrop?
STEVEN ROWE --
I'm sorry to hear you've had a complaint about keeping us up
to date on what Acclaim and the Adventure Digest are doing. You
certainly wouldn't get anything of that sort from me. I'm following
them, even if I don't often have anything to say about it. I'll try
to remember to mention that once in awhile.
My goodness, I scarcely even remembered that "Red Drink"
business! It was mostly local, tho some of it spilled out into
fandom. It was in the grand tradition of CAPA-alpha's letter
campaign to give the Rabbit a taste of Trix, or the later one
demanding blue M&Ms -- making a big deal over something really,
REALLY trivial. I guess the humor probably doesn't hold up... (I'm
sure our non-American readers are scratching their heads right now --
never mind, guys, it's just somebody else's popculch.)
Quack, Don=
" Gus & Jaq... some chit-chat about they're being from the wrong
"period" ... might have occurred during a coffee break, but it would
not have usefully informed a serious business decision."
It probably doesn't inform most of the kids, either. I was of
an age to read some of the Grandma/mice stories as they were coming
out, and it didn't bother me. I was aware of how they were used in
CINDERELLA before I came to know them through the comic book (I was
probably taken to see the movie before I could read); and young as
I was, I was aware that their role in the comics conflicted with
this -- even very young children know fairy tales happened long ago
and far away -- but it didn't bother me. Same characters. Different
setting. Big deal.
I've seen the "Archie" characters in a cave-man setting. I've
seen Pinky & the Brain living in H.G. Wells's house instead of Acme
Labs. I've seen Batman set in 19th century Transylvania. For
heaven's sake, look at TALE SPIN.
One of the things I find off-putting about superhero
universes is the compulsive insistence that there must be exactly
one underlying reality behind all the stories told with a given set
of characters. Geez -- there are inconsistencies in the universe WE
live in -- look at your own feelings toward Disney, if you don't
believe me -- so why should a vast body of stories created by a wide
variety of writers and artists all use the same backdrop?
STEVEN ROWE --
I'm sorry to hear you've had a complaint about keeping us up
to date on what Acclaim and the Adventure Digest are doing. You
certainly wouldn't get anything of that sort from me. I'm following
them, even if I don't often have anything to say about it. I'll try
to remember to mention that once in awhile.
My goodness, I scarcely even remembered that "Red Drink"
business! It was mostly local, tho some of it spilled out into
fandom. It was in the grand tradition of CAPA-alpha's letter
campaign to give the Rabbit a taste of Trix, or the later one
demanding blue M&Ms -- making a big deal over something really,
REALLY trivial. I guess the humor probably doesn't hold up... (I'm
sure our non-American readers are scratching their heads right now --
never mind, guys, it's just somebody else's popculch.)
Quack, Don=
Dominik
Don Rosa Comiclist
Message 249 -
1997-09-23 at 01:22:00
Hi,
after a long time I have finally finished the version two of the Don Rosa
Comiclist for the PC. Everybody who is intersted in a copy of the beta version
can get it for 'free', just send me an E-Mail. You certainly will also get the
first Update to the full version free too. At the moment I can only offer the
German Version, the English one is in production and will be available in about
two weeks. In the beta version the Comiclist won't be up to date. This will be
changed with the first update.
Dominik Altevogt
Keltenring 190
79199 Kirchzarten
(Email removed)
--------------------------------
End of Disney comics Digest V97 Issue #205
******************************************
after a long time I have finally finished the version two of the Don Rosa
Comiclist for the PC. Everybody who is intersted in a copy of the beta version
can get it for 'free', just send me an E-Mail. You certainly will also get the
first Update to the full version free too. At the moment I can only offer the
German Version, the English one is in production and will be available in about
two weeks. In the beta version the Comiclist won't be up to date. This will be
changed with the first update.
Dominik Altevogt
Keltenring 190
79199 Kirchzarten
(Email removed)
--------------------------------
End of Disney comics Digest V97 Issue #205
******************************************
Bhc
Disney comics Digest V97 #203
Message 250 -
1997-09-23 at 02:59:47
Don M.:
> Personally, I think any attempt to split things up into separate
> "universes", each of which makes complete sense on its own terms, is
> futile. I have no problem with a crossover if it makes a good story;
> and as soon as the story is over, I'm quite willing to forget
> there's any connection between the characters.
Tell it, brother. Since the universe in which we actually live rarely (if
ever) makes complete sense, and discontinuities abound, how much can we
really expect of our fictional ones?
> (I just had an unpleasant conversation with a superhero fan on the
> meaning of the word "mainstream", which is understood in the
> American comics community in a way that our overseas colleagues
> WOULD NOT BELIEVE!)
I've had the same conversation myself, several times. In the early ones,
*I* was the superhero fan; today I can hardly believe the stuff I got
worked up about! Back when Gladstone first started, we waged a major
campaign to keep from being labeled "independent," since we had newsstand
distribution (silly us, we thought that's what mattered), but back then the
comics industry, cradled in the nurturing bosom of the superhero-fan
dominated direct market, just didn't want to acknowledge any publisher
outside of DC or Marvel as being "mainstream." (Archie had it just as
tough, which shows the height of absurdity this attitude had reached!) The
situation has not materially changed, since your diehard superhero fan
still feels that anything non-superhero is beneath contempt, and said fans
continue hold the direct market field.
By the by, I had just turned 21 when we met in 1978. Working for IguanaCon
actually knocked a lot of the obnoxious superhero fannishness out of me,
and played its part in my being where I am today. Susan Daigle even
attended that convention, though she was living in Pennsylvania at the
time...
Gary
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> Personally, I think any attempt to split things up into separate
> "universes", each of which makes complete sense on its own terms, is
> futile. I have no problem with a crossover if it makes a good story;
> and as soon as the story is over, I'm quite willing to forget
> there's any connection between the characters.
Tell it, brother. Since the universe in which we actually live rarely (if
ever) makes complete sense, and discontinuities abound, how much can we
really expect of our fictional ones?
> (I just had an unpleasant conversation with a superhero fan on the
> meaning of the word "mainstream", which is understood in the
> American comics community in a way that our overseas colleagues
> WOULD NOT BELIEVE!)
I've had the same conversation myself, several times. In the early ones,
*I* was the superhero fan; today I can hardly believe the stuff I got
worked up about! Back when Gladstone first started, we waged a major
campaign to keep from being labeled "independent," since we had newsstand
distribution (silly us, we thought that's what mattered), but back then the
comics industry, cradled in the nurturing bosom of the superhero-fan
dominated direct market, just didn't want to acknowledge any publisher
outside of DC or Marvel as being "mainstream." (Archie had it just as
tough, which shows the height of absurdity this attitude had reached!) The
situation has not materially changed, since your diehard superhero fan
still feels that anything non-superhero is beneath contempt, and said fans
continue hold the direct market field.
By the by, I had just turned 21 when we met in 1978. Working for IguanaCon
actually knocked a lot of the obnoxious superhero fannishness out of me,
and played its part in my being where I am today. Susan Daigle even
attended that convention, though she was living in Pennsylvania at the
time...
Gary
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Bhc
Disney comics Digest V97 #205
Message 251 -
1997-09-23 at 03:27:15
Christopher:
>But wouldn't there have been more logical ways to do it than to shoehorn
>these characters into a completely inappropriate, anachronistic scenario?
> Why not simply give them a feature all their own, as was done with such
>"second-line" Disney characters as Li'l Bad Wolf, Bucky Bug, Little Hiawatha,
>etc.?
I think you have to look at it from the perspective of where Gus & Jaq
wound up: supporting characters in a "second-line" feature (sorry, Grandma
Duck fans, but that's as high as she rated). Suggest anything to you? Like,
Western said, "Well, they're not really strong enough to carry their own
feature...." Loony Executive: "Can you throw 'em in with something else?"
Western: "Well, there's Grandma Duck, she's got a farm, and..." LE: "Would
that get 'em in there with Donald Duck?" Western: "Sorta." LE: "Great.
That'll do fine." Western: "You got it."
I wasn't there, of course, but I've sat through hundreds of business
discussions just like this. Y'see, Western was not obliged to use the
characters of Gus & Jaq at all if they didn't want to, and what seems
logical is not necessarily going to be what's regarded as workable.
Gary
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>But wouldn't there have been more logical ways to do it than to shoehorn
>these characters into a completely inappropriate, anachronistic scenario?
> Why not simply give them a feature all their own, as was done with such
>"second-line" Disney characters as Li'l Bad Wolf, Bucky Bug, Little Hiawatha,
>etc.?
I think you have to look at it from the perspective of where Gus & Jaq
wound up: supporting characters in a "second-line" feature (sorry, Grandma
Duck fans, but that's as high as she rated). Suggest anything to you? Like,
Western said, "Well, they're not really strong enough to carry their own
feature...." Loony Executive: "Can you throw 'em in with something else?"
Western: "Well, there's Grandma Duck, she's got a farm, and..." LE: "Would
that get 'em in there with Donald Duck?" Western: "Sorta." LE: "Great.
That'll do fine." Western: "You got it."
I wasn't there, of course, but I've sat through hundreds of business
discussions just like this. Y'see, Western was not obliged to use the
characters of Gus & Jaq at all if they didn't want to, and what seems
logical is not necessarily going to be what's regarded as workable.
Gary
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Don Rosa
Disney comics Digest V97 #205
Message 252 -
1997-09-23 at 08:35:56
KRITON:
Uh... I meant the 100th "Olympiad"... or 100th "anniversary" Olympics. Not
100th Olympic games, of course.
EVERYONE:
In case there aren't anymore Digests for a few days, or in case no one
happens to ask me a question in the next Digest... I don't want it to seem
like I'm being rude if I don't reply to questions for the next week... but
tomorrow (Wednesday) I leave for a week in Portugal, for the Oporto Comics
Convention. I'll be back on Oct. 2.
Uh... I meant the 100th "Olympiad"... or 100th "anniversary" Olympics. Not
100th Olympic games, of course.
EVERYONE:
In case there aren't anymore Digests for a few days, or in case no one
happens to ask me a question in the next Digest... I don't want it to seem
like I'm being rude if I don't reply to questions for the next week... but
tomorrow (Wednesday) I leave for a week in Portugal, for the Oporto Comics
Convention. I'll be back on Oct. 2.
Ole R. Nielsen
C'era multi volti... in Norway
Message 253 -
1997-09-23 at 11:17:12
TARJEI:
> "C'era una volta... in America"
>Thank's for answering my question regarding that story, but could you or
>someone tell me in which pocketbooks (or whatever) they were published in
>Norway? I couldn't find any references to the norwegian #'s in Per and
>Harry's database. I can unfortunately not read Italian ;-)
Five chapters were published in the Danish "Jumbobog" pocket books,
equivalent to the Norwegian "Donald Pocket":
1. I TL 1996-A = dk:JB 161 = no:DP 162?
3. I TL 2015-1 = dk:JB 165 = no:DP 166?
4. I TL 2025-1 = dk:JB 168 = no:DP 169?
5. I TL 2055-1 = dk:JB 177 = no:DP 178?
6. I TL 2059-1 = dk:JB 178 = no:DP 179?
At this point of the series I suspect that the Norwegian numbers
are one higher, but that is based on Norwegian nr. 155, i.e. a year
before the first of the above. What number was the recent "Inca
treasure" story?
I don't read Italian either, but I got very good at guessing it. :-)
oLe e-mail <(Email removed)> or <roc.person.dk>
U
> "C'era una volta... in America"
>Thank's for answering my question regarding that story, but could you or
>someone tell me in which pocketbooks (or whatever) they were published in
>Norway? I couldn't find any references to the norwegian #'s in Per and
>Harry's database. I can unfortunately not read Italian ;-)
Five chapters were published in the Danish "Jumbobog" pocket books,
equivalent to the Norwegian "Donald Pocket":
1. I TL 1996-A = dk:JB 161 = no:DP 162?
3. I TL 2015-1 = dk:JB 165 = no:DP 166?
4. I TL 2025-1 = dk:JB 168 = no:DP 169?
5. I TL 2055-1 = dk:JB 177 = no:DP 178?
6. I TL 2059-1 = dk:JB 178 = no:DP 179?
At this point of the series I suspect that the Norwegian numbers
are one higher, but that is based on Norwegian nr. 155, i.e. a year
before the first of the above. What number was the recent "Inca
treasure" story?
I don't read Italian either, but I got very good at guessing it. :-)
oLe e-mail <(Email removed)> or <roc.person.dk>
U
Eirik Krogh Visted
Barks' coloring notes
Message 254 -
1997-09-23 at 16:57:01
I just saw an interview with Carl Barks, where he said that he sometimes
had put coloring notes in his scripts when there were some especially
important color details, but that the colorists had usually just ignored
them. Did Gladstone use these notes while preparing the CBLiC-series ?
Eirik Krogh Visted
had put coloring notes in his scripts when there were some especially
important color details, but that the colorists had usually just ignored
them. Did Gladstone use these notes while preparing the CBLiC-series ?
Eirik Krogh Visted
Antônio Henrique Seligman
Brazilian Collection
Message 255 -
1997-09-23 at 17:44:46
Hello,
My name is Henrique, and I'm an brazilian ex-comic collector.
As I'm living now on a small apartment so don't have sufficient space, I
have to sell my
entire Disney (+others) comics collection.The Disney stuff is from the
late 50's to the
early 80's.
To see a list of what's available, please go to
http://sites.uol.com.br/pem/
and email me privately if you're interested in something
Thanks for reading,
Henrique
--
Antonio Henrique Seligman - Queen Collector
Universal Internet Number: 3259941
e-Mail: (Email removed)
Queenland Home Page: http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Studio/1054
My name is Henrique, and I'm an brazilian ex-comic collector.
As I'm living now on a small apartment so don't have sufficient space, I
have to sell my
entire Disney (+others) comics collection.The Disney stuff is from the
late 50's to the
early 80's.
To see a list of what's available, please go to
http://sites.uol.com.br/pem/
and email me privately if you're interested in something
Thanks for reading,
Henrique
--
Antonio Henrique Seligman - Queen Collector
Universal Internet Number: 3259941
e-Mail: (Email removed)
Queenland Home Page: http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Studio/1054