DISCUSSION TOPIC --
The recent talk of universes, and splitting of licenses, and
what-about-non-Duck, etc., prompts a question --
What, exactly, is a Disney comic?
When what-about-non-Duck-comics? was being discussed, a
couple of weeks ago, a lot of people responded that sure, they like
The Mouse too. And my response to THAT was more-or-less "Oh yeah?
How's about The Bug? How's about The Wolf?"
It's no secret that I'm a big fan of Bucky Bug and Li'l Bad
Wolf, but my question is broader than that. Those two are firmly
grounded in the original Silly Symphonies of the 1930s. (Well,
Bucky, not so firmly -- but a good case can be made that he and
June are the main characters of BUGS IN LOVE, the last Silly
Symphony made in black and white.) There are Disney comics that
don't get even PERIPHERALLY discussed on this List.
I mentioned one of them a few weeks ago -- Alex Toth's lovely
art on ZORRO. Beautiful stuff! And in organizing my comics
collection, I put that one right in the same box with the movie
adaptation of 20,000 LEAGUES UNDER THE SEA, WD TRUE LIFE ADVENTURES,
that late '50s title with Swamp Fox and Elfego Baca, and many others
of that type -- all of which have the words "Walt Disney's"
prominently displayed above the title, and none of which have been
mentioned here in recent memory.
A week or two ago, somebody mentioned the DISNEY ADVENTURE
DIGEST's publication of DOUG, a TV cartoon that Disney recently
acquired the rights to. Apparently, that isn't considered an
authentic Disney comic, but why is that? Because it wasn't owned by
Disney at first? Hey -- before Disney started its ZORRO TV series,
Dell did at least a half-dozen non-Disney comics with that
character, but that doesn't stop ME from filing WALT DISNEY'S ZORRO
with the rest of the Disneys.
Speaking of DISNEY ADVENTURE DIGEST, a couple of years ago,
Heidi ("Ace") MacDonald, the editor of that magazine, complained
that the "Disney" panel at the San Diego Comics Con was in truth no
such thing -- it was a Gladstone/Egmont panel. Her branch of the
Disney comics field was completely ignored. Just as we VERY NEARLY
ignore it here.
What got me to thinking along these lines was the discussion
on splitting the licenses. Gladstone has this bunch, Acclaim has
that bunch, and maybe there's some gray area in between but those
are the poles toward which the various properties tend. But what
about the DIGEST? It publishes Disney-owned properties in comics
form, too. Where does it fit in?
Are you lurking here, Ace? What do you have to say on this
topic?
And what do others have to say? Just what IS a Disney comic?
Quack, Don=
Author
Topic: 199709
(341 messages)
Donald D. Markstein
Junkville Journal
Message 181 -
1997-09-15 at 21:24:27
Cebarat
Disney Comics Digest V97 #197-198
Message 182 -
1997-09-16 at 02:19:23
JESS WINFIELD wrote:
<<My name is Jess Winfield, I'm a playwright, a director, founding member
of a theater troupe called The Reduced Shakespeare Company, and am
presently an animation writer for Walt Disney Animated Television.
I've used my love of the old comix (which I keep in my office for
reference) extensively in writing for Disney. For the past year, I've
been working on the animated series of 101 Dalmatians, and most
recently, Hercules. When Hercules, the series, begins airing in fall of
1998, some of you will recognize an homage to The Prize of Pizarro
(US#26) in an episode entitled "Hercules and the Big Kiss."
I'm going to be working to bring some of the elements and characters
from the comic world into Disney TV and home video, including any
would-be Mickey Mouse series. (I'm limited by Disney's secrecy policy,
but someone already mentioned an in-the-works Mickey Mouse series. I
neither confirm nor deny that such a thing exists, but if it did, I'd
probably be working on it!)>>
Welcome aboard, Jess! I've heard of your company. Isn't that the group that
once interpreted TITUS ANDRONICUS as a cooking show of the Julia Child
variety? Or do I have your group confused with someone else?
Regarding your plans to bring elements of the comics into Disney TV and
home video writing, what else can I say but: go to it!
DON ROSA joined the discussion of "universes" to say:
<<...I just feel compelled to say that this is all fun and a matter of
individual interpretation. But I hope you know that there are some of us...
at least ONE of us... who considers Barks' Universe quite distinct from any
other, even from any other Duck stories, even from other Duck stories he
drew but did not write. ...And also considers all other Disney comic
character universes quite distinct from every other, such that no character
from one animated feature could ever exist in the universe of another
feature... that the very notion is silly and pointlessly complicated. I
just wanted to make sure there are folks like that. They PREFER each
Universe separate. Now.... carry on...>>
I can sympathize with Don's desire to keep the various Disney "universes"
separate. I've had great difficulty in trying to "explain" where QUACK
PACK fits into the matrix of Barks stories, non-Barks stories, and DUCK
TALES. I've finally taken the sensible alternative of regarding all QUACK
PACK stories as "speculative fiction." As in: WHAT IF the Ducks (1) lived
in a world of humans and (2) were reconstituted for the 90's? I took the
liberty of offering the QUACK PACK Daisy free transportation to the other
Duck "universes" if she ever decided to emigrate, but that was about the
limit of my generosity.
I think that one man in particular can be cited/blamed for the rash of wacky
team-ups in Disney comics: Vic Lockman. Lockman seemed to specialize in
such stories (if I'm not mistaken, it was he who wrote those stories that
Barks drew for GRANDMA DUCK'S FARM FRIENDS in which characters like the
Big Bad Wolf and Dumbo appeared). So if you really are bothered by them,
you can attribute their existence to the "unique visions of one man"
and move on from there.
GARY LEACH said, regarding a possible MICKEY MOUSE TV series:
<<All I know is what I've already said, that a Mickey TV series is in the
works. Just passing that along put my well-trained spies deep within the
Disney Skunk Works at serious risk to life, limb and legal liability.>>
Don't you mean "Skunk OIL Works?" Oh well, same difference... :-)
RICH BELLACERA queried:
<<Has it *ever* been established where Mickey lives? In his seminal
article on Gottfredson, Bill Blackbeard claimed he was said to live in
"Homeville" (but I've never seen that name in a story), and I've seen other
stories where he was said to live in Duckburg!...>>
As you may be aware, the new American-produced stories in the MICKEY
MOUSE ADVENTURES title established "Mouseton" as Mickey's home base.
Though that title no longer exists, I've continued to call Mickey's home
base "Mouseton" ever since. I know that several contemporary Disney
writers have done the same.
"Homeville" sounds a lot like "Corncob Corners," the town where Goofy,
Pete, Donald, HD&L, AND Scrooge were portrayed as living in an early-50s
story drawn by Paul Murry!
KRITON KYRIMIS asked about Disney comics relating to the Olympic Games.
One such story that I have never seen discussed anywhere was the story
in several 1988 issues of TOPOLINO revolving around the Summer Olympic
Games in Seoul. I don't have any of these issues any more, and would
appreciate a TOPOLINO scholar in the audience refreshing my memory.
I checked the "B.C.E." reference, and saw the abbreviation defined as
"Before the Common Era." But I know that I have also seen it defined
as "Before the Christian Era," Jesus' birth in "2 B.C." or no. Ah,
the vagaries of scholars... They kind of remind me of devoted Duck
fans who are about whether one should accept Gus and Jaq in a Grandma
Duck story. :-)
-- Christopher E. Barat
(Email removed)
http://members.aol.com/cebarat/home.htm
"IF I MELTED THIS DOWN, I COULD MAKE A NEW STATUE OF LIBERTY OUT OF
SOLID GOLD (hic!)! ONE FOR EVERY DAY OF THE WEEK!"
-- Scrooge McDuck, "DuckTales" episode "Too Much of a Gold Thing"
--------------------------------
End of Disney comics Digest V97 Issue #199
******************************************
<<My name is Jess Winfield, I'm a playwright, a director, founding member
of a theater troupe called The Reduced Shakespeare Company, and am
presently an animation writer for Walt Disney Animated Television.
I've used my love of the old comix (which I keep in my office for
reference) extensively in writing for Disney. For the past year, I've
been working on the animated series of 101 Dalmatians, and most
recently, Hercules. When Hercules, the series, begins airing in fall of
1998, some of you will recognize an homage to The Prize of Pizarro
(US#26) in an episode entitled "Hercules and the Big Kiss."
I'm going to be working to bring some of the elements and characters
from the comic world into Disney TV and home video, including any
would-be Mickey Mouse series. (I'm limited by Disney's secrecy policy,
but someone already mentioned an in-the-works Mickey Mouse series. I
neither confirm nor deny that such a thing exists, but if it did, I'd
probably be working on it!)>>
Welcome aboard, Jess! I've heard of your company. Isn't that the group that
once interpreted TITUS ANDRONICUS as a cooking show of the Julia Child
variety? Or do I have your group confused with someone else?
Regarding your plans to bring elements of the comics into Disney TV and
home video writing, what else can I say but: go to it!
DON ROSA joined the discussion of "universes" to say:
<<...I just feel compelled to say that this is all fun and a matter of
individual interpretation. But I hope you know that there are some of us...
at least ONE of us... who considers Barks' Universe quite distinct from any
other, even from any other Duck stories, even from other Duck stories he
drew but did not write. ...And also considers all other Disney comic
character universes quite distinct from every other, such that no character
from one animated feature could ever exist in the universe of another
feature... that the very notion is silly and pointlessly complicated. I
just wanted to make sure there are folks like that. They PREFER each
Universe separate. Now.... carry on...>>
I can sympathize with Don's desire to keep the various Disney "universes"
separate. I've had great difficulty in trying to "explain" where QUACK
PACK fits into the matrix of Barks stories, non-Barks stories, and DUCK
TALES. I've finally taken the sensible alternative of regarding all QUACK
PACK stories as "speculative fiction." As in: WHAT IF the Ducks (1) lived
in a world of humans and (2) were reconstituted for the 90's? I took the
liberty of offering the QUACK PACK Daisy free transportation to the other
Duck "universes" if she ever decided to emigrate, but that was about the
limit of my generosity.
I think that one man in particular can be cited/blamed for the rash of wacky
team-ups in Disney comics: Vic Lockman. Lockman seemed to specialize in
such stories (if I'm not mistaken, it was he who wrote those stories that
Barks drew for GRANDMA DUCK'S FARM FRIENDS in which characters like the
Big Bad Wolf and Dumbo appeared). So if you really are bothered by them,
you can attribute their existence to the "unique visions of one man"
and move on from there.
GARY LEACH said, regarding a possible MICKEY MOUSE TV series:
<<All I know is what I've already said, that a Mickey TV series is in the
works. Just passing that along put my well-trained spies deep within the
Disney Skunk Works at serious risk to life, limb and legal liability.>>
Don't you mean "Skunk OIL Works?" Oh well, same difference... :-)
RICH BELLACERA queried:
<<Has it *ever* been established where Mickey lives? In his seminal
article on Gottfredson, Bill Blackbeard claimed he was said to live in
"Homeville" (but I've never seen that name in a story), and I've seen other
stories where he was said to live in Duckburg!...>>
As you may be aware, the new American-produced stories in the MICKEY
MOUSE ADVENTURES title established "Mouseton" as Mickey's home base.
Though that title no longer exists, I've continued to call Mickey's home
base "Mouseton" ever since. I know that several contemporary Disney
writers have done the same.
"Homeville" sounds a lot like "Corncob Corners," the town where Goofy,
Pete, Donald, HD&L, AND Scrooge were portrayed as living in an early-50s
story drawn by Paul Murry!
KRITON KYRIMIS asked about Disney comics relating to the Olympic Games.
One such story that I have never seen discussed anywhere was the story
in several 1988 issues of TOPOLINO revolving around the Summer Olympic
Games in Seoul. I don't have any of these issues any more, and would
appreciate a TOPOLINO scholar in the audience refreshing my memory.
I checked the "B.C.E." reference, and saw the abbreviation defined as
"Before the Common Era." But I know that I have also seen it defined
as "Before the Christian Era," Jesus' birth in "2 B.C." or no. Ah,
the vagaries of scholars... They kind of remind me of devoted Duck
fans who are about whether one should accept Gus and Jaq in a Grandma
Duck story. :-)
-- Christopher E. Barat
(Email removed)
http://members.aol.com/cebarat/home.htm
"IF I MELTED THIS DOWN, I COULD MAKE A NEW STATUE OF LIBERTY OUT OF
SOLID GOLD (hic!)! ONE FOR EVERY DAY OF THE WEEK!"
-- Scrooge McDuck, "DuckTales" episode "Too Much of a Gold Thing"
--------------------------------
End of Disney comics Digest V97 Issue #199
******************************************
David B. Fenske
C.E./B.C.E.
Message 183 -
1997-09-16 at 08:25:57
At 11:42 AM 9/14/97 +-200, Harry Fluks wrote:
>STEVEN ROWE:
>> On the Duck timeline, modern schloars now use "BCE" rather than
>> "AD" (this is done to upset traditionalists )
>
>HARRY FLUKS:
>I heard about these abbreviations (CE and BCE) when I was in Israel.
>There it seems very logical to use them in stead of BC and AD. Anyway,
>they don't use it to upset traditionalists, but to NOT upset jews,
>muslims, hindus, atheists, etc.
>
>BTW, I don't think the "C" in "C.E." means "Christian". That would be wrong
>anyway, since at least the first 30 years A.D., there are no christians
>at all. In Israel, they said it was "Common Era" (which doesn't make sense
>either).
>
I first came across these abbreviations back about 1971, when I was in
grade 7 and reading James A. Michener's THE SOURCE. It is set in, and
tells the story of, Israel, from time immemorial to the present. And the
"C" stands for "common."
Not a bad book, bye the way.
Dave
>STEVEN ROWE:
>> On the Duck timeline, modern schloars now use "BCE" rather than
>> "AD" (this is done to upset traditionalists )
>
>HARRY FLUKS:
>I heard about these abbreviations (CE and BCE) when I was in Israel.
>There it seems very logical to use them in stead of BC and AD. Anyway,
>they don't use it to upset traditionalists, but to NOT upset jews,
>muslims, hindus, atheists, etc.
>
>BTW, I don't think the "C" in "C.E." means "Christian". That would be wrong
>anyway, since at least the first 30 years A.D., there are no christians
>at all. In Israel, they said it was "Common Era" (which doesn't make sense
>either).
>
I first came across these abbreviations back about 1971, when I was in
grade 7 and reading James A. Michener's THE SOURCE. It is set in, and
tells the story of, Israel, from time immemorial to the present. And the
"C" stands for "common."
Not a bad book, bye the way.
Dave
Rich Bellacera
Disney comics Digest V97 #199
Message 184 -
1997-09-16 at 09:56:47
FREDRIK SANDSTROM:
>In the Swedish translation I have the two last panels go something like this:
>
>Donald sees "another rainbow" and wonders if there's a new share of
>gold. HDL tells him to check it out, because they themselves have
>already got their treasure, and they don't care who becomes U$'s heir.
That's definitely different from the way it was presented in the US. This
discussion drove me nuts 'cause I knew I had recently read the story, so
I began going through my DD & U$ collection. Of course the original
tale is in WDC&S #155 (1953), but fortunately I also found it in U$ #281
(1993 - which happens to be Gladstone's premiere restart of U$). In this
version (both in U$ & WDC&S) the last two panels have Donald looking
to the sky and saying, "There's another rainbow in the sky, kids! I wonder
if it's possible there'd be a SECOND pot of gold there?" To which the
Nephews reply, "YOU go look! We don't NEED to -- Not since Unca
Scrooge named us SOLE HEIRS to his nine fantasicatillion four billion-
jillion, centrifugalillion dollars and sixteen cents." (EMPHASIS not mine).
While hunting, however, I came across at least two other stories involving
Donald, the Nephews and $crooge with a rainbow (U$ #38/reprint #280
"Seeing is Believing" and DD #105 "The Great Rainbow Race").
Curious: Does Donald's reference to "Another Rainbow" have anything to
do with the naming of AR (Another Rainbow)? I figure since Gladstone
Gander was the inspiration for Gladstone there might be a link to AR as
well.
DAVID GERSTEIN:
> [Regarding Figaro]
> [Regarding Gus and Jaq and others]
> On the other hand, the Wolf and Br'er Rabbit universes being one
>has been done since time immemorial -- even before Disney, Joel Chandler
>Harris himself pointed out that the "Br'er Wolf" in his 1880s stories
>chased the three pigs. Of all the "universe mixing" I've ever seen, this
>particular crossover has always been the one that struck me as perfectly
>natural.
Well, as far as Figaro is concerned I'm relieved to know that he's
considered a ligitimate pet of Minnie's (and I don't even mind if he's
considered a different cat from the one that appears in PINOCCHIO. In
my opinion, the later Figaro always seemed much more "cat-like" that
the cute-and-cuddley one in PINOCCHIO anyhow. I still like both
versions however. I hope to continue seeing Figaro in tales which involve
Minnie and Pluto in the Future. Of course there is that one strange story
in VACATION PARADE #2 which identifies Figaro as Daisy's cat (I
prefer to think of her as just cat-sitting for Minnie instead).
As for "Gus & Jaq", I'm inclined to agree with Don Rosa, that they can
go back to the Cinderella Universe, since, to me, they always seemed
out of place. But if interesting and believable stories can be written to
justify their continued existence in Duckburg, then so-be-it. I guess
the one thing that should stop, would be the sub-titling where they
are referred to as "The Cinderella Mice."
As for BB Wolf, the 3 Pigs & the Chandler Harris critters, I agree that
they seem to naturally belong in the same universe with eachother. Like
DONALD MARKSTEIN, I too like Li'l Bad Wolf and really enjoy
the whole dynamics of those tales. I guess the one real way things
might be affected with the cessation of crossovers would be the whole
notion of the Three Little Pigs and Li'l Bad as JUNIOR WOODCHUCKS
and therefore interacting with HD&L. I like them as Jr. Woodchucks
though, and I like the Wolfs and the Pigs as members of the Duck
& Mouse Universe.
> [Regarding Mim and Magica as roommates]
> They _still_ live together in the Brazilian stories.
In these Brazillian tales, does Magica's niece live with them, or is she just
an ocassional visitor? I would think that the idea of two spinsters
raising a little girl together would prevent those tales from being printed
in the USA (what would the neighbors say?) ;-) I think many of the Mim
tales that have been printed in the USA are quite fun, and I've never been
bothered by her presence in Duckburg either, but I would think her
disappearance wouldn't have any ramifications.
CHRISTOPHER BARAT:
>I can sympathize with Don's desire to keep the various Disney "universes"
>separate. I've had great difficulty in trying to "explain" where QUACK
>PACK fits into the matrix of Barks stories, non-Barks stories, and DUCK
>TALES. I've finally taken the sensible alternative of regarding all QUACK
>PACK stories as "speculative fiction." As in: WHAT IF the Ducks (1) lived
>in a world of humans and (2) were reconstituted for the 90's? I took the
>liberty of offering the QUACK PACK Daisy free transportation to the other
>Duck "universes" if she ever decided to emigrate, but that was about the
>limit of my generosity.
The few episodes I was fortunate enough to catch of QUACK PACK were
great... EXCEPT for the revamping of Duckburg to include "HUMANS."
That bugs me. I know the producers were trying to write to a modern
audience, but in doing so they've betrayed the loyalists who gladly accept
"dogfaces" where "human" is implied. I think Daisy's new persona is
awesome and would love to see her that way in the comics, which brings
up another thought: Who has the rights to "Quack Pack" for comics? If
it's Acclaim, they're not using them and seem to have no plans for the
future. I guess they're stuck in the "Nexus of Disney Universes" (that
nebulous zone where Disney comicbook and Cartoon characters simply
cease to exist, until or unless someone pulls them out of that great abyss).
In my area, The Disney Afternoon is gone, as are all the shows that
belonged to it (replaced by *ugh!* The Brady Bunch and *gasp!*
Sailor Moon, and a couple of lame live action teen-high school shows....
as Dr. Smith would say, "Oh the pain, the pain"). I don't recall even
seeing a "Quack Pack" comic in DISNEY ADVENTURES.
ACCLAIM COMICS:
While I'm on the subject of Acclaim's Disney comics, I noticed that the
History of Disney Comics section on Per Starback's web page was recently
updated for ACCLAIM. I don't know who is responsible for it's
maintenance, but I was wondering if the maintainer would like a little
info for it since the link to ACCLAIM doesn't provide any comics info
(they seem more interested in their gaming line).
ACCLAIM features two monthly digest format books each containing
several tales about characters from the feature films and some of the
televison animated shows.
1) DISNEY'S ENCHANTING STORIES regularly features:
HERCULES
HUNCHBACK OF NOTRE DAME
POCAHONTAS
BEAUTY & THE BEAST
SNOW WHITE & THE SEVEN DWARFS
101 DALMATIANS
and in November will add THE LITTLE MERMAID
2) DISNEY'S ACTION CLUB regularly features:
HERCULES
HUNCHBACK OF NOTRE DAME
THE LION KING
ALADDIN
TOY STORY
THE MIGHTY DUCKS
The emphasis of the two books is different as the titles indicate, so the
stories in ACTION CLUB are more adventuresome & physical whereas
the ones appearing in ENCHANTING STORIES seem to be of a
more emotional and interpersonal nature.
ACCLAIM also publishes ocassional "one shot" books (also in digest
size), as it did for "Hercules" (the movie adaptation), and will do for
a new tale for "101 Dalmatians," and one which will parallel the video
release of the sequel to "Beauty & the Beast: The Enchanted Christmas"
this Christmas Season. This new tale is called "Disney's Beauty and
the Beast Holiday Special" (also digest size). Another book will be
titled "Disney's The Little Mermaid: Underwater Engagements" which
is a flip-book featuring two original tales: one of Ariel and the other of
Prince Eric which take place before the Movie. Acclaim also publishes
an ocassional large-size hardbound edition of certain stories which
feature very nice painted illustrations. Acclaim seems to have the rights
to at least one pre-1985 film, namely "Snow White" (do they have the
rights to others as well?).
[Much of this information is derived from reading the tales themselves
and seeing the previews in the appropriately named catalogue
PREVIEWS. So if anyone has anything else to add or correct from my
information, please do. As you can see... no "Quack Pack"... no
"DuckTales"... no "DarkWing Duck" ... no "Gummi Bears" ... no
"Rescue Rangers" ... no "Gargoyles" ... no "Bonkers" ... no "Goof
Troop" ... no "TaleSpin" ... no "Wuzzles" ... no "Winnie the Pooh"
... and no "Roger Rabbit" or "Marsupilami." Personally I'm glad
there's no "Snookums & Meat" or "Pith Possum" or "Tex Tinstar,"
and as for "Timon & Pumbaa" they are ocassionally featured in
"The Lion King" tales. One thing I've noticed is that the tales, especially
the ones based on movie characters, tend to be both "sequels" and
"prequels]
-Rich (xephyr)
http://www.jps.net/xephyr/rich/disney.html
>In the Swedish translation I have the two last panels go something like this:
>
>Donald sees "another rainbow" and wonders if there's a new share of
>gold. HDL tells him to check it out, because they themselves have
>already got their treasure, and they don't care who becomes U$'s heir.
That's definitely different from the way it was presented in the US. This
discussion drove me nuts 'cause I knew I had recently read the story, so
I began going through my DD & U$ collection. Of course the original
tale is in WDC&S #155 (1953), but fortunately I also found it in U$ #281
(1993 - which happens to be Gladstone's premiere restart of U$). In this
version (both in U$ & WDC&S) the last two panels have Donald looking
to the sky and saying, "There's another rainbow in the sky, kids! I wonder
if it's possible there'd be a SECOND pot of gold there?" To which the
Nephews reply, "YOU go look! We don't NEED to -- Not since Unca
Scrooge named us SOLE HEIRS to his nine fantasicatillion four billion-
jillion, centrifugalillion dollars and sixteen cents." (EMPHASIS not mine).
While hunting, however, I came across at least two other stories involving
Donald, the Nephews and $crooge with a rainbow (U$ #38/reprint #280
"Seeing is Believing" and DD #105 "The Great Rainbow Race").
Curious: Does Donald's reference to "Another Rainbow" have anything to
do with the naming of AR (Another Rainbow)? I figure since Gladstone
Gander was the inspiration for Gladstone there might be a link to AR as
well.
DAVID GERSTEIN:
> [Regarding Figaro]
> [Regarding Gus and Jaq and others]
> On the other hand, the Wolf and Br'er Rabbit universes being one
>has been done since time immemorial -- even before Disney, Joel Chandler
>Harris himself pointed out that the "Br'er Wolf" in his 1880s stories
>chased the three pigs. Of all the "universe mixing" I've ever seen, this
>particular crossover has always been the one that struck me as perfectly
>natural.
Well, as far as Figaro is concerned I'm relieved to know that he's
considered a ligitimate pet of Minnie's (and I don't even mind if he's
considered a different cat from the one that appears in PINOCCHIO. In
my opinion, the later Figaro always seemed much more "cat-like" that
the cute-and-cuddley one in PINOCCHIO anyhow. I still like both
versions however. I hope to continue seeing Figaro in tales which involve
Minnie and Pluto in the Future. Of course there is that one strange story
in VACATION PARADE #2 which identifies Figaro as Daisy's cat (I
prefer to think of her as just cat-sitting for Minnie instead).
As for "Gus & Jaq", I'm inclined to agree with Don Rosa, that they can
go back to the Cinderella Universe, since, to me, they always seemed
out of place. But if interesting and believable stories can be written to
justify their continued existence in Duckburg, then so-be-it. I guess
the one thing that should stop, would be the sub-titling where they
are referred to as "The Cinderella Mice."
As for BB Wolf, the 3 Pigs & the Chandler Harris critters, I agree that
they seem to naturally belong in the same universe with eachother. Like
DONALD MARKSTEIN, I too like Li'l Bad Wolf and really enjoy
the whole dynamics of those tales. I guess the one real way things
might be affected with the cessation of crossovers would be the whole
notion of the Three Little Pigs and Li'l Bad as JUNIOR WOODCHUCKS
and therefore interacting with HD&L. I like them as Jr. Woodchucks
though, and I like the Wolfs and the Pigs as members of the Duck
& Mouse Universe.
> [Regarding Mim and Magica as roommates]
> They _still_ live together in the Brazilian stories.
In these Brazillian tales, does Magica's niece live with them, or is she just
an ocassional visitor? I would think that the idea of two spinsters
raising a little girl together would prevent those tales from being printed
in the USA (what would the neighbors say?) ;-) I think many of the Mim
tales that have been printed in the USA are quite fun, and I've never been
bothered by her presence in Duckburg either, but I would think her
disappearance wouldn't have any ramifications.
CHRISTOPHER BARAT:
>I can sympathize with Don's desire to keep the various Disney "universes"
>separate. I've had great difficulty in trying to "explain" where QUACK
>PACK fits into the matrix of Barks stories, non-Barks stories, and DUCK
>TALES. I've finally taken the sensible alternative of regarding all QUACK
>PACK stories as "speculative fiction." As in: WHAT IF the Ducks (1) lived
>in a world of humans and (2) were reconstituted for the 90's? I took the
>liberty of offering the QUACK PACK Daisy free transportation to the other
>Duck "universes" if she ever decided to emigrate, but that was about the
>limit of my generosity.
The few episodes I was fortunate enough to catch of QUACK PACK were
great... EXCEPT for the revamping of Duckburg to include "HUMANS."
That bugs me. I know the producers were trying to write to a modern
audience, but in doing so they've betrayed the loyalists who gladly accept
"dogfaces" where "human" is implied. I think Daisy's new persona is
awesome and would love to see her that way in the comics, which brings
up another thought: Who has the rights to "Quack Pack" for comics? If
it's Acclaim, they're not using them and seem to have no plans for the
future. I guess they're stuck in the "Nexus of Disney Universes" (that
nebulous zone where Disney comicbook and Cartoon characters simply
cease to exist, until or unless someone pulls them out of that great abyss).
In my area, The Disney Afternoon is gone, as are all the shows that
belonged to it (replaced by *ugh!* The Brady Bunch and *gasp!*
Sailor Moon, and a couple of lame live action teen-high school shows....
as Dr. Smith would say, "Oh the pain, the pain"). I don't recall even
seeing a "Quack Pack" comic in DISNEY ADVENTURES.
ACCLAIM COMICS:
While I'm on the subject of Acclaim's Disney comics, I noticed that the
History of Disney Comics section on Per Starback's web page was recently
updated for ACCLAIM. I don't know who is responsible for it's
maintenance, but I was wondering if the maintainer would like a little
info for it since the link to ACCLAIM doesn't provide any comics info
(they seem more interested in their gaming line).
ACCLAIM features two monthly digest format books each containing
several tales about characters from the feature films and some of the
televison animated shows.
1) DISNEY'S ENCHANTING STORIES regularly features:
HERCULES
HUNCHBACK OF NOTRE DAME
POCAHONTAS
BEAUTY & THE BEAST
SNOW WHITE & THE SEVEN DWARFS
101 DALMATIANS
and in November will add THE LITTLE MERMAID
2) DISNEY'S ACTION CLUB regularly features:
HERCULES
HUNCHBACK OF NOTRE DAME
THE LION KING
ALADDIN
TOY STORY
THE MIGHTY DUCKS
The emphasis of the two books is different as the titles indicate, so the
stories in ACTION CLUB are more adventuresome & physical whereas
the ones appearing in ENCHANTING STORIES seem to be of a
more emotional and interpersonal nature.
ACCLAIM also publishes ocassional "one shot" books (also in digest
size), as it did for "Hercules" (the movie adaptation), and will do for
a new tale for "101 Dalmatians," and one which will parallel the video
release of the sequel to "Beauty & the Beast: The Enchanted Christmas"
this Christmas Season. This new tale is called "Disney's Beauty and
the Beast Holiday Special" (also digest size). Another book will be
titled "Disney's The Little Mermaid: Underwater Engagements" which
is a flip-book featuring two original tales: one of Ariel and the other of
Prince Eric which take place before the Movie. Acclaim also publishes
an ocassional large-size hardbound edition of certain stories which
feature very nice painted illustrations. Acclaim seems to have the rights
to at least one pre-1985 film, namely "Snow White" (do they have the
rights to others as well?).
[Much of this information is derived from reading the tales themselves
and seeing the previews in the appropriately named catalogue
PREVIEWS. So if anyone has anything else to add or correct from my
information, please do. As you can see... no "Quack Pack"... no
"DuckTales"... no "DarkWing Duck" ... no "Gummi Bears" ... no
"Rescue Rangers" ... no "Gargoyles" ... no "Bonkers" ... no "Goof
Troop" ... no "TaleSpin" ... no "Wuzzles" ... no "Winnie the Pooh"
... and no "Roger Rabbit" or "Marsupilami." Personally I'm glad
there's no "Snookums & Meat" or "Pith Possum" or "Tex Tinstar,"
and as for "Timon & Pumbaa" they are ocassionally featured in
"The Lion King" tales. One thing I've noticed is that the tales, especially
the ones based on movie characters, tend to be both "sequels" and
"prequels]
-Rich (xephyr)
http://www.jps.net/xephyr/rich/disney.html
Marja Ritola
$crooge's heirs
Message 185 -
1997-09-16 at 10:12:54
> DON wrote:
> > At the end of the story it is clearly stated that
> > $crooge DID change his mind and he definitely DID name HD&L his sole heirs.
> FREDRIK wrote:
> In the Swedish translation I have the two last panels go something like this:
> Donald sees "another rainbow" and wonders if there's a new share of
> gold. HDL tells him to check it out, because they themselves have
> already got their treasure, and they don't care who becomes U$'s heir.
But, strangely enough, in the Finnish version which I have
read the nephews tell Donald to go and check the rainbow's
end because they don't need more gold: Uncle $crooge has
already named them as his heirs.
Unfortunately I can't check this right now, but
I think this is the only translation which have been
published in Finland (or at least, if any other version
exists, it is done by improving and modernizing the
old one, and so the new translator has been aware of it).
Marja
> > At the end of the story it is clearly stated that
> > $crooge DID change his mind and he definitely DID name HD&L his sole heirs.
> FREDRIK wrote:
> In the Swedish translation I have the two last panels go something like this:
> Donald sees "another rainbow" and wonders if there's a new share of
> gold. HDL tells him to check it out, because they themselves have
> already got their treasure, and they don't care who becomes U$'s heir.
But, strangely enough, in the Finnish version which I have
read the nephews tell Donald to go and check the rainbow's
end because they don't need more gold: Uncle $crooge has
already named them as his heirs.
Unfortunately I can't check this right now, but
I think this is the only translation which have been
published in Finland (or at least, if any other version
exists, it is done by improving and modernizing the
old one, and so the new translator has been aware of it).
Marja
Dr. Archontis Pantsios
ROSA SURVEY: AN UPDATE
Message 186 -
1997-09-16 at 12:31:57
FELLOW QUACKS: :-)
The deadline for sending in responses re: "The Rosa Survey", elapsed
yesterday. There'll be NO further extension. It seems to me that any
interested party so wishing has had plenty of time to respond. I had sent my
initial call in early July, and I had extended the initially set deadline of
July 31 to September 15.
I received a total of 36 responses from all around the globe. It seems that
it's a true international survey.
I hope to post the results of the Survey to the List in a week or so.
Hopefully some interesting discussion will follow.
In closing, I'd like to thank all the people who took the time to fill in
and send their picks.
When I post the results, I'll also announce the lucky guy (or gal) who will
get a copy of the Greek KOMIX with Rosa's "RETURN TO XANADU". I'll ask my
two-year old daughter to draw the lucky lot.
Till then,
keep quacking,
Archontis
The deadline for sending in responses re: "The Rosa Survey", elapsed
yesterday. There'll be NO further extension. It seems to me that any
interested party so wishing has had plenty of time to respond. I had sent my
initial call in early July, and I had extended the initially set deadline of
July 31 to September 15.
I received a total of 36 responses from all around the globe. It seems that
it's a true international survey.
I hope to post the results of the Survey to the List in a week or so.
Hopefully some interesting discussion will follow.
In closing, I'd like to thank all the people who took the time to fill in
and send their picks.
When I post the results, I'll also announce the lucky guy (or gal) who will
get a copy of the Greek KOMIX with Rosa's "RETURN TO XANADU". I'll ask my
two-year old daughter to draw the lucky lot.
Till then,
keep quacking,
Archontis
Marco Barlotti
Mighty Mouse
Message 187 -
1997-09-16 at 12:38:04
This passage from David Gerstein's posting in last Digest stirred up
something in my memory:
>Disney Comics originally set out to call it Mouseville, too, but ran into
>legal problems with Viacom (whose Mighty Mouse property is set in
>Mouseville).
It reminded me of when I was twelve and ill at home (at that moment, in the
USA) and my father came home and to cheer me up he had bought me a "Mickey
Mouse" comic... but, alas! He had not looke quite well at the title, since
in fact he had clasped a "MiGHTy Mouse" instead...! I was so disappointed...
the story was bad and the art seemed Kay Wright at his worst ;-) (not
that I did know of Kay Wright at that time, of course...)
Now that David made me recall this thing, is there some nice guy who can
tell me something about this <Mighty Mouse>? I mean, was it produced only to
deceive hurried fathers or did it have its own regular readers? When was it
created? By whom? Is it still being published? (After all, it's a
super-hero, isnt it?) And well anything you can tell me. Thanks, folks!
Marco
(honored by a quote by Lidia Cannatella in last issue of "Zio Paperone",
where she compared our relation to Disney's <Red & Toby>...)
something in my memory:
>Disney Comics originally set out to call it Mouseville, too, but ran into
>legal problems with Viacom (whose Mighty Mouse property is set in
>Mouseville).
It reminded me of when I was twelve and ill at home (at that moment, in the
USA) and my father came home and to cheer me up he had bought me a "Mickey
Mouse" comic... but, alas! He had not looke quite well at the title, since
in fact he had clasped a "MiGHTy Mouse" instead...! I was so disappointed...
the story was bad and the art seemed Kay Wright at his worst ;-) (not
that I did know of Kay Wright at that time, of course...)
Now that David made me recall this thing, is there some nice guy who can
tell me something about this <Mighty Mouse>? I mean, was it produced only to
deceive hurried fathers or did it have its own regular readers? When was it
created? By whom? Is it still being published? (After all, it's a
super-hero, isnt it?) And well anything you can tell me. Thanks, folks!
Marco
(honored by a quote by Lidia Cannatella in last issue of "Zio Paperone",
where she compared our relation to Disney's <Red & Toby>...)
Ole R. Nielsen
De Vita serials for Tarjei
Message 188 -
1997-09-16 at 13:27:26
TARJEI:
The 4 chapters of "The Ice Sword" are as far as I know the only
ones, but I'm not quite up to date on the Topolino issues.
I know of six chapters of the "Once Upon a Time in America" series.
Except for the second chapter, they have all been published in the
Egmont pocket books in the last three years.
They deal with how there's always been an ancestor of Mickey's
around at important moments of American history - and less surprisingly
one of Goofy's countless relatives too. De Vita's art is beautiful and
the stories are more credible than the usual time travel stories, with
the Mickey character being a contemporary, not today's Mickey. Even if
there isn't any difference in personality.
As the titles below may show, the stories deal with the arrival of the
Mayflower, the Boston Tea Party, Mickey as a mountain man, and as a
journalist interviewing George Washington, the Last Mohigoof and the
invention of the steam river boat. I'd rather have seen these in
Gladstone's publications than A Goofy History...
"C'era una volta... in America"
1. I TL 1996-A "Topolino e il tesoro della Mayflower" Pezzin/MdV 34 p.
2. I TL 1999-A "Topolino e i trafficanti di Boston" Pezzin/MdV 35 p.
3. I TL 2015-1 "Topolino e il grande cielo" Pezzin/MdV 40 p.
4. I TL 2025-1 "Intervista a George Washington" Pezzin/MdV 30 p.
5. I TL 2055-1 "Topolino e il penultimo dei mohicani" Pezzin/Ziche 35 p.
6. I TL 2059-1 "Topolino e la bella del fiume" Pezzin/MdV 32 p.
You may have to look after, say, I 2059-A instead of I TL 2059-1 in the
Swedish ddb index, because we haven't yet adapted to the new code format
in all files.
oLe e-mail <(Email removed)> or <roc.person.dk>
U webpage <http://www.roc.person.dk> (!NOT available yet!)
The 4 chapters of "The Ice Sword" are as far as I know the only
ones, but I'm not quite up to date on the Topolino issues.
I know of six chapters of the "Once Upon a Time in America" series.
Except for the second chapter, they have all been published in the
Egmont pocket books in the last three years.
They deal with how there's always been an ancestor of Mickey's
around at important moments of American history - and less surprisingly
one of Goofy's countless relatives too. De Vita's art is beautiful and
the stories are more credible than the usual time travel stories, with
the Mickey character being a contemporary, not today's Mickey. Even if
there isn't any difference in personality.
As the titles below may show, the stories deal with the arrival of the
Mayflower, the Boston Tea Party, Mickey as a mountain man, and as a
journalist interviewing George Washington, the Last Mohigoof and the
invention of the steam river boat. I'd rather have seen these in
Gladstone's publications than A Goofy History...
"C'era una volta... in America"
1. I TL 1996-A "Topolino e il tesoro della Mayflower" Pezzin/MdV 34 p.
2. I TL 1999-A "Topolino e i trafficanti di Boston" Pezzin/MdV 35 p.
3. I TL 2015-1 "Topolino e il grande cielo" Pezzin/MdV 40 p.
4. I TL 2025-1 "Intervista a George Washington" Pezzin/MdV 30 p.
5. I TL 2055-1 "Topolino e il penultimo dei mohicani" Pezzin/Ziche 35 p.
6. I TL 2059-1 "Topolino e la bella del fiume" Pezzin/MdV 32 p.
You may have to look after, say, I 2059-A instead of I TL 2059-1 in the
Swedish ddb index, because we haven't yet adapted to the new code format
in all files.
oLe e-mail <(Email removed)> or <roc.person.dk>
U webpage <http://www.roc.person.dk> (!NOT available yet!)
Marco Barlotti
Olympic Disneys
Message 189 -
1997-09-16 at 13:35:01
KRITON:
>To justify all this talk on this off-topic subject, I'd like to talk about
>Disney comics written for the Olympic Games.
>
Most of these were probably produced in Italy, so I feel I should be able to
give a hand in tracing them down. However I immediately got stuck with the
1972 Mexico story quoted by Kryton: I vaguely remember it, but nothing more.
But:
>
>Then, in 1972, I read a Mickey story that took place during the 1972
>Olympics. This time, while vacationing in Greece, Mickey and Goofy
>stumble upon an archaeologist who had just found a beheaded statue
>of the ancient Greek athlete Goofion who, apart from the missing
>head, had a remarkable resemblance to Goofy.
This is certainly "Pippo e i parastinchi di Olimpia", written and drawn by
Romano Scarpa. Not certainly one of his best, but, given the period,
certainly not among his worst.
There exist two versions; Kryton has read the first one, while in the second
one (published eight, or maybe twelve years later) an aftersequel of roughly
16 pages was added, again by Scarpa.
>
>In 1976, the fat comic book contained a short, forgettable, duck story
>about the Montreal Games, along with other unrelated stuff, and this is
>the last time I am aware of a special Olympics issue in Greece, though
>I suppose there must have been others.
>
To which Christpher added:
>One such story that I have never seen discussed anywhere was the story
>in several 1988 issues of TOPOLINO revolving around the Summer Olympic
>Games in Seoul.
This again was written and drawn by Romano Scarpa. The original name of the
story is "Paperolimpiadi" (Duck Olympics) and it appeared from issue 1705 to
issue 1712 of "Topolino". In this story Scarpa managed to insert almost
every Disneyan character he had (up to then) created.
I don't believe it was ever reprinted as a whole in Italy (which is why
Kriton didn't see it, since probably most non-Italian editions come not from
the original printing but from the "Classici" reprints...).
However, speaking of Olympic-related stories, one should not omit the
<first> Italian one, drawn by G. B. Carpi and printed on issues 151 and 152
of "Topolino". It was everything but politically correct, full of Chinese
torturers and stereotyped Australian aborigines (that was 1956, the year of
the Melbourne Olympic Games...) but I remember enjoying it a lot!
Marco
(who honestly thinks <Rome> and not <Athens> has turned out to be the lucky
city in this Olympics affair...)
>To justify all this talk on this off-topic subject, I'd like to talk about
>Disney comics written for the Olympic Games.
>
Most of these were probably produced in Italy, so I feel I should be able to
give a hand in tracing them down. However I immediately got stuck with the
1972 Mexico story quoted by Kryton: I vaguely remember it, but nothing more.
But:
>
>Then, in 1972, I read a Mickey story that took place during the 1972
>Olympics. This time, while vacationing in Greece, Mickey and Goofy
>stumble upon an archaeologist who had just found a beheaded statue
>of the ancient Greek athlete Goofion who, apart from the missing
>head, had a remarkable resemblance to Goofy.
This is certainly "Pippo e i parastinchi di Olimpia", written and drawn by
Romano Scarpa. Not certainly one of his best, but, given the period,
certainly not among his worst.
There exist two versions; Kryton has read the first one, while in the second
one (published eight, or maybe twelve years later) an aftersequel of roughly
16 pages was added, again by Scarpa.
>
>In 1976, the fat comic book contained a short, forgettable, duck story
>about the Montreal Games, along with other unrelated stuff, and this is
>the last time I am aware of a special Olympics issue in Greece, though
>I suppose there must have been others.
>
To which Christpher added:
>One such story that I have never seen discussed anywhere was the story
>in several 1988 issues of TOPOLINO revolving around the Summer Olympic
>Games in Seoul.
This again was written and drawn by Romano Scarpa. The original name of the
story is "Paperolimpiadi" (Duck Olympics) and it appeared from issue 1705 to
issue 1712 of "Topolino". In this story Scarpa managed to insert almost
every Disneyan character he had (up to then) created.
I don't believe it was ever reprinted as a whole in Italy (which is why
Kriton didn't see it, since probably most non-Italian editions come not from
the original printing but from the "Classici" reprints...).
However, speaking of Olympic-related stories, one should not omit the
<first> Italian one, drawn by G. B. Carpi and printed on issues 151 and 152
of "Topolino". It was everything but politically correct, full of Chinese
torturers and stereotyped Australian aborigines (that was 1956, the year of
the Melbourne Olympic Games...) but I remember enjoying it a lot!
Marco
(who honestly thinks <Rome> and not <Athens> has turned out to be the lucky
city in this Olympics affair...)
Don Rosa
Disney comics Digest V97 #199
Message 190 -
1997-09-16 at 15:06:02
EVERYONE:
I spoke to poor, overworked Byron yesterday, and he said he'll eventually
get caught up and post a message to this forum... but that he does hope
that we'll allow HIM to make the first announcement of the Egmont policy
change since he fought for it since the first day he went to work for
Egmont 6 years back. So, patience. In the meantime, don't let your
imaginations build it up to being something even more important than it
actually is, lest you'll be disappointed.
RICH:
> Should read: "In fact I would say that the clear line you have drawn in
the
> Duck universe might even be the new benchmark the other Disney
> Universes are NOW adhering to." (...not "are NOT adhering to.")
Oh? I thought it read just fine the way you mistyped it. In fact, it read
better. I see no evidence that anything in my "Lo$" or other stories is
being treated as any sort of new "official" history. And I sorta hope it
isn't because that would take the teeth out of the few (misguided) critics
who accuse me of purposely trying to recreate Duck comics (even though I
*thought* I was simply trying to reshape them more tightly to Barks'
original ideas). But perhaps what they really meant was that I would limit
other writers' abilities to tell whatever sorts of stories they wished,
which I would certainly never seek to do, and as long as other writers
don't use my framework as their limitations, I can safely say that I never
did that, even unintentionally.
STEVEN:
> In the recent Disney Digest, someone came up with gossip about
> Don Rosa. From 20 years ago.
> If someone tells you gossip about Don, please don't share it here.
E-mail
> it to him; or just trash it.
Thanks. I would have ignored that libelous message myself except that it
was reprinted here from the public forum where it was originally posted...
obliging me to answer to it.
I sent a message to the "Gary Davenport" who posted that note asking, more
or less, "what the heck are you talking about?"... and he replied saying
that he actually has no more memory than I do as to what the deal was on
his old Duck lamp, and that if he ever did actually try to contact me about
it, as he claimed, it was no more than a few calls to my parents' home in
1973 when I was hundreds of miles away at college. Rather a different story
than his public version, eh? I don't believe he ever imagined that I was
actually in daily contact with the international Duck/Disney comics fan
network, and didn't think I'd ever see his accusations. But I need to get
his permission to repost his new message here, since his original message
was rather carelessly posted here, to set the matter to rest. Sorry for
this momentary off-topic nonsense, but other people's actions make it
unavoidable...
I spoke to poor, overworked Byron yesterday, and he said he'll eventually
get caught up and post a message to this forum... but that he does hope
that we'll allow HIM to make the first announcement of the Egmont policy
change since he fought for it since the first day he went to work for
Egmont 6 years back. So, patience. In the meantime, don't let your
imaginations build it up to being something even more important than it
actually is, lest you'll be disappointed.
RICH:
> Should read: "In fact I would say that the clear line you have drawn in
the
> Duck universe might even be the new benchmark the other Disney
> Universes are NOW adhering to." (...not "are NOT adhering to.")
Oh? I thought it read just fine the way you mistyped it. In fact, it read
better. I see no evidence that anything in my "Lo$" or other stories is
being treated as any sort of new "official" history. And I sorta hope it
isn't because that would take the teeth out of the few (misguided) critics
who accuse me of purposely trying to recreate Duck comics (even though I
*thought* I was simply trying to reshape them more tightly to Barks'
original ideas). But perhaps what they really meant was that I would limit
other writers' abilities to tell whatever sorts of stories they wished,
which I would certainly never seek to do, and as long as other writers
don't use my framework as their limitations, I can safely say that I never
did that, even unintentionally.
STEVEN:
> In the recent Disney Digest, someone came up with gossip about
> Don Rosa. From 20 years ago.
> If someone tells you gossip about Don, please don't share it here.
> it to him; or just trash it.
Thanks. I would have ignored that libelous message myself except that it
was reprinted here from the public forum where it was originally posted...
obliging me to answer to it.
I sent a message to the "Gary Davenport" who posted that note asking, more
or less, "what the heck are you talking about?"... and he replied saying
that he actually has no more memory than I do as to what the deal was on
his old Duck lamp, and that if he ever did actually try to contact me about
it, as he claimed, it was no more than a few calls to my parents' home in
1973 when I was hundreds of miles away at college. Rather a different story
than his public version, eh? I don't believe he ever imagined that I was
actually in daily contact with the international Duck/Disney comics fan
network, and didn't think I'd ever see his accusations. But I need to get
his permission to repost his new message here, since his original message
was rather carelessly posted here, to set the matter to rest. Sorry for
this momentary off-topic nonsense, but other people's actions make it
unavoidable...
Mark A. Semich
Mickey Mouse
Message 191 -
1997-09-16 at 18:02:25
Howdy!
DAVID GERSTEIN:
(Is your homepage still at wso.williams.edu? I just tried connecting,
but there was no response. It may be a temporary glitch...)
I really liked the latest Mickey story of yours that Gladstone just
printed in WDC&S - I'd been reading in the digest about your efforts
with Eli Squinch, et. al, and I'd also heard good things about Noel Van
Horn, so it was really nice to finally be able to read the story! It
was well worth the wait - the writing and art are both fantastic :-)
I sure hope that Gladstone is going to keep printing your Mickey stories
- this stuff is SWELL!
Do you think it would be possible to update us about any U.S printings
of your Mickey stories that are coming up? I get my advance news from
Westfield's newsletter, and they don't seem to always give writer notice
unless it's Barks or Rosa...
- M
DAVID GERSTEIN:
(Is your homepage still at wso.williams.edu? I just tried connecting,
but there was no response. It may be a temporary glitch...)
I really liked the latest Mickey story of yours that Gladstone just
printed in WDC&S - I'd been reading in the digest about your efforts
with Eli Squinch, et. al, and I'd also heard good things about Noel Van
Horn, so it was really nice to finally be able to read the story! It
was well worth the wait - the writing and art are both fantastic :-)
I sure hope that Gladstone is going to keep printing your Mickey stories
- this stuff is SWELL!
Do you think it would be possible to update us about any U.S printings
of your Mickey stories that are coming up? I get my advance news from
Westfield's newsletter, and they don't seem to always give writer notice
unless it's Barks or Rosa...
- M
Bhc
Disney comics Digest V97 #199
Message 192 -
1997-09-16 at 19:06:58
Don M.:
>Just what IS a Disney comic?
Check the indicia. If there's a Disney copyright there, it's a Disney comic.
I think there is always a tendency to discuss what is currently available
over what has gone before, and especially long before, in a forum as
relatively immediate as this ML. As you say, the Disney name has been
attached to all kinds of features over the decades, in comics no less (and
possibly far more) than in film, but the vast majority of them are not
currently active, and many of them were only one-shot movie adaptations
anyway.
Should such things get brought up on the ML, though? Yes! A broadening of
the field of discussion is always welcome...vital, even!
Gary
****************************
"It's Bindy Gonzer's birthday!" - Churchy La Femme
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Gladstone on the Web: http://www.hamlco.com/bhc/
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>Just what IS a Disney comic?
Check the indicia. If there's a Disney copyright there, it's a Disney comic.
I think there is always a tendency to discuss what is currently available
over what has gone before, and especially long before, in a forum as
relatively immediate as this ML. As you say, the Disney name has been
attached to all kinds of features over the decades, in comics no less (and
possibly far more) than in film, but the vast majority of them are not
currently active, and many of them were only one-shot movie adaptations
anyway.
Should such things get brought up on the ML, though? Yes! A broadening of
the field of discussion is always welcome...vital, even!
Gary
****************************
"It's Bindy Gonzer's birthday!" - Churchy La Femme
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Gladstone on the Web: http://www.hamlco.com/bhc/
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Donald D. Markstein
Junkville Journal
Message 193 -
1997-09-16 at 19:35:07
DAVID GERSTEIN --
Welcome back!
"Egmont's policy is that the town is officially called Duckburg,
although in actuality, it's treated in the Mickey stories as if it's
a different town."
Perhaps Mickey lives in Duckburg, Minnefornia.
BY THE WAY --
A couple of weeks ago, I was at MacFrugal's, a chain of
stores selling factory remainders -- the stuff that's left over when
a line of manufactured items is discontinued, and there aren't
enough left to bother marketing. I was looking for something
entirely different, but happened to pass by the toy rack and saw a
wire-and-rubber "bendable" figure that looked exactly like Chief
O'Hara.
I did a double-take and took a closer look. Sure enough -- it
was identified as "Police Chief", and was part of a "Phantom Blot"
line. After picking my jaw up off the floor, I went digging, and
came up with an actual figure of The Blot himself! And guess what
else -- Professor Ecks! This one was identified as part of the
"Blaggard Castle" line.
I bought them, of course -- and no, I can't get more; those
were the only ones there (which is just the way it is with factory
remainders). Both are appear under the logos "Bend-Ems" (top) and
"Mickey's Stuff for kids" (just below). The company seems to be
"Just Toys, Inc.", and the only location given is New York. The
figures themselves were made in China.
I have often been amazed at the obscure characters some
companies are willing to pay licensing fees for -- but this takes
the cake!
Quack, Don
Welcome back!
"Egmont's policy is that the town is officially called Duckburg,
although in actuality, it's treated in the Mickey stories as if it's
a different town."
Perhaps Mickey lives in Duckburg, Minnefornia.
BY THE WAY --
A couple of weeks ago, I was at MacFrugal's, a chain of
stores selling factory remainders -- the stuff that's left over when
a line of manufactured items is discontinued, and there aren't
enough left to bother marketing. I was looking for something
entirely different, but happened to pass by the toy rack and saw a
wire-and-rubber "bendable" figure that looked exactly like Chief
O'Hara.
I did a double-take and took a closer look. Sure enough -- it
was identified as "Police Chief", and was part of a "Phantom Blot"
line. After picking my jaw up off the floor, I went digging, and
came up with an actual figure of The Blot himself! And guess what
else -- Professor Ecks! This one was identified as part of the
"Blaggard Castle" line.
I bought them, of course -- and no, I can't get more; those
were the only ones there (which is just the way it is with factory
remainders). Both are appear under the logos "Bend-Ems" (top) and
"Mickey's Stuff for kids" (just below). The company seems to be
"Just Toys, Inc.", and the only location given is New York. The
figures themselves were made in China.
I have often been amazed at the obscure characters some
companies are willing to pay licensing fees for -- but this takes
the cake!
Quack, Don
Jess Winfield
Disney comics Digest V97 #199
Message 194 -
1997-09-17 at 04:45:07
CHRIS:
<<Welcome aboard, Jess! I've heard of your company. Isn't that the
group that once interpreted TITUS ANDRONICUS as a cooking show of the
Julia Child variety? Or do I have your group confused with someone
else?>>
Yah, that's me of TITUS ANDRONICUS fame. And thanks for remembering one
of the pieces that I wrote solo for the RSC!
<<Welcome aboard, Jess! I've heard of your company. Isn't that the
group that once interpreted TITUS ANDRONICUS as a cooking show of the
Julia Child variety? Or do I have your group confused with someone
else?>>
Yah, that's me of TITUS ANDRONICUS fame. And thanks for remembering one
of the pieces that I wrote solo for the RSC!
Don Rosa
Davenport Response
Message 195 -
1997-09-17 at 15:01:18
Okay, here's the retraction sent to me by Gary Davenport. With his
permission, I post it here so we can be done with the matter and move on...
---------
> From: (Email removed)
> To: (Email removed)
> Subject: Re: Fw: Davenport Response
> Date: Tuesday, September 16, 1997 4:56 PM
>
> Don Rosa:
>My father gave me the lamp and through the years I never had the courage
to
> tell him it was irretrievably gone. And as I already said, after a point
I
> simply gave up on my attempts of contacting you back then.
(NOTE: that refers to his admission in a previous message that he only
tried to contact me several times in 1973 by calling my parents' home while
I was away at college.)
> And that is my
> fault alone. But, Rosa, there was an agreement for its return back then.
> There was little or no point in persuing the matter after such a long
time,
> but why I did I do not understand myself. My father in the truest sense
had
> a love for the funnies and had the lamp since his childhood. Through
poor
> remembrance of our meeting back then, I can only assume bitterness as the
> reason and wishing I had that part of my father's life back.
>
> Not only have I savagely shamed my fathers' memory, but in the course of
> things I have caused you measurable displeasure. Reflecting on all so
far,
> it was not fair to you.
>
> As it turns out, you seem to confirm a "much belated" suspicion....you
were
> not available when I made those attempts at contact. So, you are not a
crook
> and were not avoiding my efforts at the time. You simply were not there.
> You were at school.
>
> I submit that if we agree on anything it is that we both suffer from
>fallible memories. I also submit to you that any claim I could issue to
the lamp
> should be nullified, if only by virtue of this mess I have caused. You
owe
> me nothing...no obligations.
> I owe you an apology...I am sorry. Please forgive me for my
thoughtlessness.
>
> Gary Davenport
--------------------------------------
The only other matter I'm trying to get Mr. Davenport to answer is as to
why I would want to borrow a lamp or why he would lend someone an item that
was so precious to him... this makes no sense to me, and he has yet to
respond to that, if only to satisfy my idle curiosity. If I did obtain an
old DD lamp from him, either I bought the lamp outright, or perhaps I owed
him some additional favor which I was ready to pay once he got back in
touch with me, which he never did, so I either forgot the matter or assumed
he'd decided it was "paid in full".
In the note I received from him giving me permission to post this message,
he described the lamp as "an early incarnation of the duck, sporting the
longer bill design... on the front of the base is the year '1933'." I have
no such lamp in my collection (and I've never parted with anything from my
collections), not to mention that, as we all know, "1933" is impossible for
any DD item, spoonbill or not. I have no memory of getting a lamp from this
man (or boy, in 1973), so I wonder if he wasn't thinking of two other guys
from the start. Still, I have some old DD lamps from about 1940, and
perhaps I bought/obtained one from Mr.Davenport, if he recalls such an
incident, even if his memory of the lamp is faulty after so long. But I
told him that I would keep watching for another example of the old DD lamp
that I *think* he's referring to, and if I can buy it, I'll send him the
one that I now have that he thinks was his (if I can determine for sure
which one that might be).
Okay... that's that... (sigh).
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permission, I post it here so we can be done with the matter and move on...
---------
> From: (Email removed)
> To: (Email removed)
> Subject: Re: Fw: Davenport Response
> Date: Tuesday, September 16, 1997 4:56 PM
>
> Don Rosa:
>My father gave me the lamp and through the years I never had the courage
to
> tell him it was irretrievably gone. And as I already said, after a point
I
> simply gave up on my attempts of contacting you back then.
(NOTE: that refers to his admission in a previous message that he only
tried to contact me several times in 1973 by calling my parents' home while
I was away at college.)
> And that is my
> fault alone. But, Rosa, there was an agreement for its return back then.
> There was little or no point in persuing the matter after such a long
time,
> but why I did I do not understand myself. My father in the truest sense
had
> a love for the funnies and had the lamp since his childhood. Through
poor
> remembrance of our meeting back then, I can only assume bitterness as the
> reason and wishing I had that part of my father's life back.
>
> Not only have I savagely shamed my fathers' memory, but in the course of
> things I have caused you measurable displeasure. Reflecting on all so
far,
> it was not fair to you.
>
> As it turns out, you seem to confirm a "much belated" suspicion....you
were
> not available when I made those attempts at contact. So, you are not a
crook
> and were not avoiding my efforts at the time. You simply were not there.
> You were at school.
>
> I submit that if we agree on anything it is that we both suffer from
>fallible memories. I also submit to you that any claim I could issue to
the lamp
> should be nullified, if only by virtue of this mess I have caused. You
owe
> me nothing...no obligations.
> I owe you an apology...I am sorry. Please forgive me for my
thoughtlessness.
>
> Gary Davenport
--------------------------------------
The only other matter I'm trying to get Mr. Davenport to answer is as to
why I would want to borrow a lamp or why he would lend someone an item that
was so precious to him... this makes no sense to me, and he has yet to
respond to that, if only to satisfy my idle curiosity. If I did obtain an
old DD lamp from him, either I bought the lamp outright, or perhaps I owed
him some additional favor which I was ready to pay once he got back in
touch with me, which he never did, so I either forgot the matter or assumed
he'd decided it was "paid in full".
In the note I received from him giving me permission to post this message,
he described the lamp as "an early incarnation of the duck, sporting the
longer bill design... on the front of the base is the year '1933'." I have
no such lamp in my collection (and I've never parted with anything from my
collections), not to mention that, as we all know, "1933" is impossible for
any DD item, spoonbill or not. I have no memory of getting a lamp from this
man (or boy, in 1973), so I wonder if he wasn't thinking of two other guys
from the start. Still, I have some old DD lamps from about 1940, and
perhaps I bought/obtained one from Mr.Davenport, if he recalls such an
incident, even if his memory of the lamp is faulty after so long. But I
told him that I would keep watching for another example of the old DD lamp
that I *think* he's referring to, and if I can buy it, I'll send him the
one that I now have that he thinks was his (if I can determine for sure
which one that might be).
Okay... that's that... (sigh).
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