Hi everyone!
I am about to buy a personalised number plate for my VW microbus based on
B-boy numbers, when I suddenly thought which one should I get? I was going
to get 176 671, but flicking back through my Barks stories it seemed that 176
167 occured more frequently. Has anyone ever done a census on which is the
most common B-Boy? This is an important question because these plates cost
$423 and I don't want to buy the wrong ones!
The four most common numbers that stick in my mind are:
176 671
176 167
176 176
176 716
Luckily for me New Zealand number plates are on white backgrounds with black
lettering and I can even specify a space between the numbers to make it look
like they do in the comics. The nice Marketing Manager at Walt Disney Co.
New Zealand has even said that I can paint a grinning Barks Beagle onto the
back of my van around the number plate provided I put copyright DISNEY on the
artwork and send a drawing to him first for approval:-)
Mind you, when I rang up to ask for permission the conversation went
something like this with the receptionist:
Disney: "Are the Beagle Boys Disney characters then?"
Me: "Yes, they certainly are. You know, like in Duck Tales."
Disney: "Oh right, Duck Tales. So you want to use a Duck tales Beagle Boy?"
Me: "No definetly not. I want to use a Barks Beagle Boy."
Disney: "A what?"
Me: "Barks, as in Carl Barks."
Disney: "Who?"
Author
Topic: 199710
(359 messages)
Shaun Craill
Beagle Boys numbers
Message 1 -
1997-10-01 at 02:23:57
Rik Pierce
Some Musings on Gladstone Comics
Message 2 -
1997-10-01 at 06:43:50
On Tue, 30 Sep 97 07:29:04 +0000, David B. Fenske wrote:
|1) I have noticed almost no discussion on this list on the work of William
|van Horn. Why is that? Do people here not like him, or is it because we
|just have more Rosa fans, or what? I greatly enjoy his frenetic style and
|absurd sense of style. His work has a greater sense of chaos. Don's is
|more ordered.
I too have been a fan since childhood and grew up with Donald and
Scrooge as part of my background. I have only recently gotten back
into reading and collecting these stories again. My original Dell
books, which were saved for so long, were eventually given to a local
hospital by my mother when I was in my early 20s - to old to say I
wanted them, and two young to say I want to keep them for my children.
(Now, I'm collecting them for my grandkids (sure))
I'm glad to see someone else remark on Van Horn's work. I feel that
he alone has been able to maintain the style and feel of Barks earlier
work. I read the Rosa works and just do not find them as satisfying.
I was arguing this point with my nephew who is now in his later teens.
I had given him a subscription to some of the Disney comics several
years ago and so he was more familiar with the latest artists than I.
When I said that I thought Rosa's work art was too muddy and busy, he
told me that he thought the stories were some of the best ever done.
Perhaps I cannot get past the art and read the stories.
I am now expensively replacing all those old Dell comics with the
Barks Color Library and have a chance now to look at these old stories
afresh. I find my enjoyment for Barks renewed and enhanced by the
wonderful production Gladstone is giving them. I try to read just the
balloons and follow the stories in any non Barks stories in an attempt
to ignore the art, and still I find they do not stand up very well.
Van Horn alone comes the closest and his stories are rare. He has done
many first rate covers - some I really thought were Barks. His story
in C&S where Donald could not lose his temper to win a radio quiz show
prize was certainly derivative of an early Barks, but I found it very
enjoyable and could stand by itself.
|
|2) I must confess that I don't enjoy many of the stories by "other" artists
|as much as I do the big 3 (Rosa, Barks, van Horn)? Regarding recent
|Gladstone comics, the two recent Rosa epics "LO$ - Vigilante of Pizen
|Bluff" and "The Ten Avatars" were great, but many of the issues on sale
|this month, and in months past, seem sub-standard. Some of the stories by
|other artists are OK, but once read are soon forgotten.
I find most of them unreadable. The art is atrocious and the stories
lame.
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Rik in Carlisle, MA
(Email removed)
|1) I have noticed almost no discussion on this list on the work of William
|van Horn. Why is that? Do people here not like him, or is it because we
|just have more Rosa fans, or what? I greatly enjoy his frenetic style and
|absurd sense of style. His work has a greater sense of chaos. Don's is
|more ordered.
I too have been a fan since childhood and grew up with Donald and
Scrooge as part of my background. I have only recently gotten back
into reading and collecting these stories again. My original Dell
books, which were saved for so long, were eventually given to a local
hospital by my mother when I was in my early 20s - to old to say I
wanted them, and two young to say I want to keep them for my children.
(Now, I'm collecting them for my grandkids (sure))
I'm glad to see someone else remark on Van Horn's work. I feel that
he alone has been able to maintain the style and feel of Barks earlier
work. I read the Rosa works and just do not find them as satisfying.
I was arguing this point with my nephew who is now in his later teens.
I had given him a subscription to some of the Disney comics several
years ago and so he was more familiar with the latest artists than I.
When I said that I thought Rosa's work art was too muddy and busy, he
told me that he thought the stories were some of the best ever done.
Perhaps I cannot get past the art and read the stories.
I am now expensively replacing all those old Dell comics with the
Barks Color Library and have a chance now to look at these old stories
afresh. I find my enjoyment for Barks renewed and enhanced by the
wonderful production Gladstone is giving them. I try to read just the
balloons and follow the stories in any non Barks stories in an attempt
to ignore the art, and still I find they do not stand up very well.
Van Horn alone comes the closest and his stories are rare. He has done
many first rate covers - some I really thought were Barks. His story
in C&S where Donald could not lose his temper to win a radio quiz show
prize was certainly derivative of an early Barks, but I found it very
enjoyable and could stand by itself.
|
|2) I must confess that I don't enjoy many of the stories by "other" artists
|as much as I do the big 3 (Rosa, Barks, van Horn)? Regarding recent
|Gladstone comics, the two recent Rosa epics "LO$ - Vigilante of Pizen
|Bluff" and "The Ten Avatars" were great, but many of the issues on sale
|this month, and in months past, seem sub-standard. Some of the stories by
|other artists are OK, but once read are soon forgotten.
I find most of them unreadable. The art is atrocious and the stories
lame.
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Rik in Carlisle, MA
(Email removed)
David B. Fenske
Barks, Hollywood, and Rosa
Message 3 -
1997-10-01 at 10:43:43
In a previous message, Archontis wrote:
>What's the connection between Rosa's work and Hollywood heroes? Don's main
>love is old movies, not the comics! He has repeatedly admitted inserting
>various elements of old movies in his beautiful stories. Elements from
>"Citizen Cane" crop up in both "Last Sled to Dawson" and "The Richest Duck
>in the World". Many times here on this List Don has challenged us to find in
>which old movie this or that element used in a comic of his originally
>appeared. Recent examples: the scene where Scrooge catches Grandpa Beagle
>dangling from Cornelius Coot's statue can be re-traced to an old Hitchcock
>movie and also more recently that Mercedes truck in "The Last Lords of El
>Dorado".
Alas, I have never read most of these Rosa stories, nor have I yet seen
Citizen Kane, despite also sharing a love of old (and new) movies. But I
certainly enjoyed the recreation of "It's a wonderful life" in the DD 50th
anniversary comic (hope I have that right). It's those links with our
culture - those little in-jokes for the adults - that make Don so fun to
read. Why Barks would object is unclear to me - I would have thought he
would be very impressed with the body of work Don Rosa has done -
ESPECIALLY considering the D.U.C.K.'s and the whole life of Scrooge - which
is really a tribute to the work of Barks. Strange world.
In an earlier message, Rik Pierce wrote:
>I'm glad to see someone else remark on Van Horn's work. I feel that
>he alone has been able to maintain the style and feel of Barks earlier
>work. I read the Rosa works and just do not find them as satisfying.
>I was arguing this point with my nephew who is now in his later teens.
>I had given him a subscription to some of the Disney comics several
>years ago and so he was more familiar with the latest artists than I.
>When I said that I thought Rosa's work art was too muddy and busy, he
>told me that he thought the stories were some of the best ever done.
>Perhaps I cannot get past the art and read the stories.
I'm afraid I can't agree with you here. Rosa stories, and his delightfully
cluttered art style, are my favourites, hands down. For one thing, once
you've read the story, you can go back and look at the pictures - you get
something extra for your money. And I just like the way he draws the
ducks. I also like his stories - they're more complex and, I feel, develop
the ducks as characters in a manner superior to other writers. Van Horn
stories are great because they're so different. I must agree with what
many have said regarding van Horn's work, but for me the zanyness and the
clever word play provides a great deal of enjoyment.
On an unrelated matter, I'm a little browned off as the direct market comic
shop that gets in my comics somehow missed WDC #616, the issue that
finishes Rosa's meteorite mining story. Does anyone know if you can buy
back issues from Gladstone? If not, would someone like to briefly
summarize what happened?
Dave Fenske
David and Beth Fenske
6080 Brooks Crescent
Surrey, B.C., V3S 7L1
E-mail: (Email removed)
>What's the connection between Rosa's work and Hollywood heroes? Don's main
>love is old movies, not the comics! He has repeatedly admitted inserting
>various elements of old movies in his beautiful stories. Elements from
>"Citizen Cane" crop up in both "Last Sled to Dawson" and "The Richest Duck
>in the World". Many times here on this List Don has challenged us to find in
>which old movie this or that element used in a comic of his originally
>appeared. Recent examples: the scene where Scrooge catches Grandpa Beagle
>dangling from Cornelius Coot's statue can be re-traced to an old Hitchcock
>movie and also more recently that Mercedes truck in "The Last Lords of El
>Dorado".
Alas, I have never read most of these Rosa stories, nor have I yet seen
Citizen Kane, despite also sharing a love of old (and new) movies. But I
certainly enjoyed the recreation of "It's a wonderful life" in the DD 50th
anniversary comic (hope I have that right). It's those links with our
culture - those little in-jokes for the adults - that make Don so fun to
read. Why Barks would object is unclear to me - I would have thought he
would be very impressed with the body of work Don Rosa has done -
ESPECIALLY considering the D.U.C.K.'s and the whole life of Scrooge - which
is really a tribute to the work of Barks. Strange world.
In an earlier message, Rik Pierce wrote:
>I'm glad to see someone else remark on Van Horn's work. I feel that
>he alone has been able to maintain the style and feel of Barks earlier
>work. I read the Rosa works and just do not find them as satisfying.
>I was arguing this point with my nephew who is now in his later teens.
>I had given him a subscription to some of the Disney comics several
>years ago and so he was more familiar with the latest artists than I.
>When I said that I thought Rosa's work art was too muddy and busy, he
>told me that he thought the stories were some of the best ever done.
>Perhaps I cannot get past the art and read the stories.
I'm afraid I can't agree with you here. Rosa stories, and his delightfully
cluttered art style, are my favourites, hands down. For one thing, once
you've read the story, you can go back and look at the pictures - you get
something extra for your money. And I just like the way he draws the
ducks. I also like his stories - they're more complex and, I feel, develop
the ducks as characters in a manner superior to other writers. Van Horn
stories are great because they're so different. I must agree with what
many have said regarding van Horn's work, but for me the zanyness and the
clever word play provides a great deal of enjoyment.
On an unrelated matter, I'm a little browned off as the direct market comic
shop that gets in my comics somehow missed WDC #616, the issue that
finishes Rosa's meteorite mining story. Does anyone know if you can buy
back issues from Gladstone? If not, would someone like to briefly
summarize what happened?
Dave Fenske
David and Beth Fenske
6080 Brooks Crescent
Surrey, B.C., V3S 7L1
E-mail: (Email removed)
Rik Pierce
Van Horn stories
Message 4 -
1997-10-01 at 15:26:55
On Tue, 30 Sep 97 15:35:49 +0000, Wilmer Rivers wrote:
re: Van Horn
|I like his art a lot more now than I did at first. Maybe it just takes
|some getting used to. (BTW, Rosa's art does, too! When I first saw
|a Rosa story, I just glanced at it and said, "Oh no, this is all
|wrong. This looks like a Harvey Kurtzman parody of a Duck comic, not
|the real thing. What a sad trick to play on the Ducks." Then I sat
|down and **read** the thing, realized that it was not at all a parody
|but a legitimate Duck story written and drawn by someone who obviously
|had a real fondness for the characters, and my opinion changed right
|away. Now I **like** Don's "cluttered" art style, ...
I should preface my comments with the fact that I'm pretty new here to
this group. My interest in the Ducks stem from a childhood growing up
with Barks stories all the while thinking that it was Walt drawing
them. So perhaps now when I see anything other than a Barks creation
I have difficulty accepting it. Before subscribing to this list I
never paid any attention to other Duck artists and writers. But I read
so many glowing posts about Rosa's work that I really need to give him
some more attention. I'm still at the stage where I don't like "Don's
'cluttered' art style"
------------
Rik in Carlisle, MA
(Email removed)
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End of Disney comics Digest V97 Issue #212
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re: Van Horn
|I like his art a lot more now than I did at first. Maybe it just takes
|some getting used to. (BTW, Rosa's art does, too! When I first saw
|a Rosa story, I just glanced at it and said, "Oh no, this is all
|wrong. This looks like a Harvey Kurtzman parody of a Duck comic, not
|the real thing. What a sad trick to play on the Ducks." Then I sat
|down and **read** the thing, realized that it was not at all a parody
|but a legitimate Duck story written and drawn by someone who obviously
|had a real fondness for the characters, and my opinion changed right
|away. Now I **like** Don's "cluttered" art style, ...
I should preface my comments with the fact that I'm pretty new here to
this group. My interest in the Ducks stem from a childhood growing up
with Barks stories all the while thinking that it was Walt drawing
them. So perhaps now when I see anything other than a Barks creation
I have difficulty accepting it. Before subscribing to this list I
never paid any attention to other Duck artists and writers. But I read
so many glowing posts about Rosa's work that I really need to give him
some more attention. I'm still at the stage where I don't like "Don's
'cluttered' art style"
------------
Rik in Carlisle, MA
(Email removed)
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End of Disney comics Digest V97 Issue #212
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Dr. Archontis Pantsios
ROSA SURVEY: PART II (LOOONG)
Message 5 -
1997-10-01 at 16:58:13
FELLOW DUCKFANS:
What follows is the second and last part of the DON ROSA Survey results.
D) WORST STORY OF ANY LENGTH (25 respondents)
1. "FROM DUCKBURG TO LILLEHAMMER", D93287, 8 votes (32%)
2. "OOLATED LUCK", AR 110, 7 votes (28%)
3. "THE PAPER CHASE", AR 107, 3 votes (12%) (Text by Gary Leach)
"NOBODY'S BUSINESS", AR 103, 3 votes (12%)
"GIVE UNTO OTHERS", H 87178, 3 votes (12%) (Text by Buitink)
"AN EYE FOR DETAIL", D94121, 3 votes (12%)
"WAR OF THE WENDIGO", D91192, 3 votes (12%)
The following stories received 2 votes each: "Super Snooper Strikes Again"
D91076, "Incident At McDuck Tower" D90345, "Fortune on the Rocks" AR 128,
"Metaphorically Spanking" AR 119, "The Lost Charts of Colombus" D94144,
"Fir-Tree Fracas" AR 109, "On Stolen Time" D90147, "Cash Flow" AR 106
RESPONDENTS' COMMENTS: There were many people that said something like
"...sorry! I just have no answer for this one!", or "...really, there are no
*bad* Don Rosa stories", or "...Haha, yeah...as if there ever was any!", or
"I can't vote here, 'cause I have never seen a bad Rosa story".
On the other hand, most people didn't try to explain why they didn't like a
certain story, but a few ones did. It's interesting to see WHY!
A fellow wrote that he didn't like "The Vigilante of Pizen Bluf" (he was the
only one) because "...it could not reach the quality of the other Lo$
chapters--so I was a bit disappointed. Still that does not make the story
*bad*". Another fellow explained his vote for "Super Snooper Strikes Again"
by considering the story "...a rip-off of Barks' (original) story". Someone
commented on "An Eye for Detail" by saying that "...not that is bad---but
it's not the best one" (true--I didn't see it in his picks for BEST! :-)).
And another fellow voted for "On Stolen Time" among Don's worst "...because
I strongly believe it's a 'DuckTales' ripoff", while another observed that
"...it would be easy to pick the ones Don hasn't written himself, but to
make it a little trickier I've (with great difficulty--Rosa stories are
still great stories) chosen these...".
Yet another fellow wrote: "I don't like 'Treasury of Croesus' because IMO
Don drives it too far at the end of the story: Scrooge and Magica **side by
side melting the oldest coin ever made**!!! I'd say seeing that would tear
Scrooge's heart in pieces, but no...he's just curious if the melting will
confirm some kind of thought he has!
An adventitious circumstance is that Donald acts irritatingly stupid in this
story. Scrooge and the nephews may have brains, but Donald is just a
stand-in-the-way who irritates almost everyone with his presence.
Unfortunately, this story is not an exception on this matter. I hope Don
will change that in his future stories."
A respondent doesn't like "The Lost Charts of Columbus" because "...it's a
story which can be seen as never having being made without being missed at
all. Just like the Super Snooper sequel, this story just re-cycles its
original, i.e. the quest for the ownership of America, and IMO it doesn't
add anything. Of course the end-joke is very funny and clever, but that is
not enough to make a good story."
Finally, a guy doesn't like "A Little Something Special" (and stands alone
there) because....
***SPOILER***SPOILER***SPOILER***SPOILER***SPOILER***SPOILER***SPOILER***
"...this story goes too far in trying to make Scrooge some kind of
sympathetic hero with an overload of emotions and feelings--something I see
in more of Don's recent stories. Of course Scrooge has a personality in the
Barks stories, but he still has something narrow-minded which makes him so
funny and interesting.
I think a difference in Barks' and Rosa's point of view is the reason that
Barks looked at the Ducks as caricatures of human beings, while Don seems to
look at the Ducks as human beings themselves. I get the idea that Don wants
to share the sympathy he feels for Scrooge with the reader by softening
Scrooge's character and putting more emphasis on his weak sides.
Of course Scrooge *does* have a weak side, but just look at Barks' 'Back to
the Klondike' to see how difficult he shows it. In some of Don's
stories--like 'Hearts of the Yukon' and of course this one Scrooge's
emotions are shown too much and too emphasized. Scrooge *has* a sympathetic
spark in his character which one can love him for, but still then: at a safe
distance!
Another thing I don't like in "A Little Something Special" is the over-usage
of Goldie. For me it's just one time too many, especially when he says:
"I'll wait". In 'Back to the Klondike', the love between Scrooge and Goldie
is very fragile and well-hidden by both--a matter of pride or fear for
rejection? With 'A Little Something Special" it just seems a matter of time
that one day Scrooge will lock his money-bin and move into Goldie's house at
the Klondike. In the past he realy was only a poor old man if he would lose
his fortune or his first dime, now he knows he'll still have his young love
Goldie waiting at an almost romantic place where much of his memories take
place: the Klondike. Good for him, but a tragical side of his character/life
as in 'Back to the Klondike' is now gone."
E) BEST SHORT STORY (1-15 pages) (32 respondents)
1. "ON A SILVER PLATTER", H 8968, 14 votes (44%)
2. "INCIDENT AT MCDUCK TOWER", D90345, 10 votes (31%)
3. "ON STOLEN TIME", D90147, 9 votes (28%)
4. "The Island at the Edge of Time", D91071, 7 votes (22%)
"Mythological Menagerie", AR 104, 7 votes (22%)
6. "The Master Landscapist", D90057, 4 votes (12%)
"The Duck Who Fell to Earth", D90161, 4 votes (12%)
8. "Terror of the Transvaal", D92273, 3 votes (9%)
"The Curse of Nostrildamus", AR 143, 3 votes (9%)
"Fir-Tree Fracas", AR 109, 3 votes (9%)
"Nobody's Business", AR 103, 3 votes (9%)
The following received one vote each: "An Eye For Detail" D94121, "Super
Snooper Strikes Again" D91076, "The Money Pit" KD-01-90, "Fortune on the
Rocks" AR 128
MY COMMENTS: There were a few people who voted for stories in that category
with more than 15 pages. Examples were "A Matter of Some Gravity" and "The
Duck that Never Was" that have actually 16 pages! Even Don Rosa himself
committed such an (understandable) oversight. I had to disqualify such
picks. Perhaps I should have divided the stories between "gag" stories and
"adventure" stories as separate categories (see comments below). Well, maybe
next time!
RESPONDENTS COMMENTS: A respondent said he voted for "On a Silver Platter"
because "...that was so funny I laughed to tears", for "Fir-Tree Fracas"
'cause "...I love the side-gag with Gyro's little helper and the light-bulb
and I love Donald's mimics in the second panel", and for "On Stolen Time"
because "...it's a virtuoso play with a great idea."
Someone else wrote: "I had great difficulties filling out sections 5 and 6.
Although I understand it wouldn't fit the need to broaden the limit of
stories that may be mentioned, I'd suggest that if you are to conduct a
similar survey in the future, you should rename them "gag stories" and
"adventure stories" rather than "short stories" and "long stories". E.g. "A
Matter of Some Gravity" would obviously be a gag story and "The Terror of
Transvaal" (which I almost mentioned in category 5) would be an adventure."
F) BEST LONG STORY (35 Respondents)
1. "GUARDIANS OF THE LOST LIBRARY", D92380, 14 votes (40%)
2. "RETURN TO XANADU", D90314, 11 votes (31%)
3. "HIS MAJESTY MCDUCK", AR 145, 9 votes (26%)
4. "Son of the Sun", AR 102, 7 votes (20%)
5. "Hearts of the Yukon", D95044, 6 votes (17%)
"Last Sled to Dawson", AR 113, 6 votes (17%)
"A Matter of Some Gravity", D96001, 6 votes (17%)
8. "The Tenth Avatar", D95153, 5 votes (14%)
9. "A Little Something Special", D96325, 4 votes (11%)
10. "War of the Wendigo", D91192, 3 votes (8%)
"The Billionaire of Dismal Downs", D93121, 3 votes (8%)
"The Treasury of Croesus", D94012, 3 votes (8%)
The following received 2 votes each: "The Master of the Mississippi" D91411,
"Return To Plain Awful" AR 130
MY COMMENTS: I had to disqualify votes for the Lo$ as a whole (there were 4
such votes).
RESPONDENTS COMMENTS: A guy picked "A Matter of Some Gravity" 'cause
"...this is the best story I EVER read", while someone else commented that
"(Gravity)...feels like a short story".
Another respondent says that "...a reason why I chose 'Son of the Sun', 'His
Majesty McDuck' and 'The Tenth Avatar" is that they're stories which don't
lean on a Barks story. They're proof to me that Don doesn't need Barks to
write masterpieces--something I didn't doubt anyway.
The end-joke of 'Son of the Sun' made me laugh out loud, something which
happened again while reading 'The Tenth Avatar'. The avatar-story was really
a surprise to me, since I never expected a story which could compete with
the sensation of reading 'Son of the Sun'.
'His Majesty McDuck' didn't make me laugh out loud, but that might be the
only difference. How can someone use an idea that is so terribly simple in a
way, and then get it screwed up by all kinds of adventitious circumstances?
For a lot of people having such a country of their own would be a dream come
true, but who'll ever think of such matters? Just like in Barks' 'Tralla La'
where he shamelessly screws up many people's dreams of a world without money."
Another guy said that 'Son of the Sun' is his favorite "...precisely because
it is Don's first story--all others are 'yet another masterpiece by Don'!!!.
And 'Last Sled to Dawson' is the first comic book story that made me cry!"
G) BEST/CLEVEREST HIDDEN D.U.C.K. (17 respondents)
1. "DREAMTIME DUCK OF THE NEVER NEVER" (Cover) D92314, 5 votes (30%)
(D.U.C.K. hidden in the camel's four knees)
2. "THE NEW LAIRD OF CASTLE MCDUCK", (Cover) D92191, 4 votes (23%) (D.U.C.K.
hidden in the tree's branches)
3. "RAIDER OF THE COPPER HILL" (Cover) D92083, 3 votes (18%) (D.U.C.K
hidden in horse's hair)
Cover to Donald & Scrooge Disney album, 3 votes (18%) (D.U.C.K. hidden
on treasure chest's side)
The following received 2 votes each: "King of the Klondike" (splash) D92514
(D.U.C.K. hidden in rocks above water transport), "The Treasury of Croesus"
(splash) D94012 (D.U.C.K hidden in foam below)
MY COMMENTS: Yeah, I know, I know, that category was an overkill. Just too
difficult to answer. I promise I won't do it again!
RESPONDENTS COMMENTS: Well, wouldn't you expect comments like "...sorry, no
votes here", or "...it's hard to make a choice, really!), or "...I can't
vote here because I haven't been able to find all the D.U.C.K.'s and because
I don't have access to most of Rosa's covers", or "...I'd love to fill in
this category, but the best/cleverest are hidden so clever, I can't find
them", or "...the ones I can't find! There are a few and it would take too
long to go through my stack of comics to find them"? That's EXACTLY the
comments I got! :-)
GENERAL RESPONDENTS' COMMENTS:
"I also voted on the Barks survey years ago. This is good, but maybe too
many categories?"
"One good thing about getting old is that people believe you when you say 'I
don't remember'"
"I'm afraid summer is an awful time for this--I keep meaning to go through
my collection again to make sure I'm not forgetting some gem, but I didn't
get to it, so these came from memory."
"My judgement is somewhat handicapped since I do not have many Rosa stories
from the first Gladstone run. I also have not yet had the opportunity to
read recent issues like 'The Tenth Avatar' and 'The Vigilante of Pizen
Bluff'. I would have put the Lo$ as the answer to almost all categories, but
instead counted the chapters as stories themselves."
"It was very difficult to pick only three best things of every category.
There are so many. It was very hard to make any decision. For the category
for 'WORST STORY' I picked three of which you cannot say that they are bad
because Don Rosa until now has not created bad stories. But they are not so
good as the other stories."
"To pick long stories, opening splash panels and covers is very hard to do
when I consider the Lo$ epic story as one story. It will fill all these
categories. So, when I'm picking stories, etc., I leave Lo$ out."
"Thank God it was three of each to pick. THE (one and only) Best would have
been impossible to choose...It would have been much easier with four or five
picks...or six or seven....or...I just have to try to live with it, just
three picks."
"I have not read many Rosa stories yet."
"As was stated many times on the mailing list, it is almost impossible to
choose 3 best Rosa-whatever, and that's why I didn't think to answer,
although at first I was thrilled about the questionnaire, but then
discovered the difficulty in filling it! Then I thought it is possible to
state one favorite, instead of several."
"Where to even start!"
"Can I send the results to the Finnish Aku Ankka when the survey is
finished?" (Answer: YES!)
"Is it possible to see the results of this survey?" (Answer: You are doing
it right now! :-))
"If there were a category for 'the story which gave you the most intense
experience of sheer delight', I would without question vote for 'Guardians
of the Lost Library'--the delight coming at the moment when I realized that
the knowledge and wisdom of all the world's great lost libraries was going
to end up condensed into the JW Guidebook. But I have to admit on re-reading
that overall it is not as good a story as the three I named above." (Isn't
this statement ironic? You should have gove with your FIRST gut instinct! :-))
"I've worked very hard to get this exactly as my opinion is by checking all
parts of my Rosa collection! Now you've got to tell me what use this is for
you? :-) WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO WITH ALL THE STATISTICS AND WHAT DO YOU
EXPECT THEM TO PROVE? (My capitalization)"
MY LAST COMMENT: GOSH, I JUST REALIZED I DIDN"T HAVE A THEORY IN MIND!!!
WHAT DO I HOPE TO PROVE??? :-)
Cheers, (it was FUN)
Archontis
What follows is the second and last part of the DON ROSA Survey results.
D) WORST STORY OF ANY LENGTH (25 respondents)
1. "FROM DUCKBURG TO LILLEHAMMER", D93287, 8 votes (32%)
2. "OOLATED LUCK", AR 110, 7 votes (28%)
3. "THE PAPER CHASE", AR 107, 3 votes (12%) (Text by Gary Leach)
"NOBODY'S BUSINESS", AR 103, 3 votes (12%)
"GIVE UNTO OTHERS", H 87178, 3 votes (12%) (Text by Buitink)
"AN EYE FOR DETAIL", D94121, 3 votes (12%)
"WAR OF THE WENDIGO", D91192, 3 votes (12%)
The following stories received 2 votes each: "Super Snooper Strikes Again"
D91076, "Incident At McDuck Tower" D90345, "Fortune on the Rocks" AR 128,
"Metaphorically Spanking" AR 119, "The Lost Charts of Colombus" D94144,
"Fir-Tree Fracas" AR 109, "On Stolen Time" D90147, "Cash Flow" AR 106
RESPONDENTS' COMMENTS: There were many people that said something like
"...sorry! I just have no answer for this one!", or "...really, there are no
*bad* Don Rosa stories", or "...Haha, yeah...as if there ever was any!", or
"I can't vote here, 'cause I have never seen a bad Rosa story".
On the other hand, most people didn't try to explain why they didn't like a
certain story, but a few ones did. It's interesting to see WHY!
A fellow wrote that he didn't like "The Vigilante of Pizen Bluf" (he was the
only one) because "...it could not reach the quality of the other Lo$
chapters--so I was a bit disappointed. Still that does not make the story
*bad*". Another fellow explained his vote for "Super Snooper Strikes Again"
by considering the story "...a rip-off of Barks' (original) story". Someone
commented on "An Eye for Detail" by saying that "...not that is bad---but
it's not the best one" (true--I didn't see it in his picks for BEST! :-)).
And another fellow voted for "On Stolen Time" among Don's worst "...because
I strongly believe it's a 'DuckTales' ripoff", while another observed that
"...it would be easy to pick the ones Don hasn't written himself, but to
make it a little trickier I've (with great difficulty--Rosa stories are
still great stories) chosen these...".
Yet another fellow wrote: "I don't like 'Treasury of Croesus' because IMO
Don drives it too far at the end of the story: Scrooge and Magica **side by
side melting the oldest coin ever made**!!! I'd say seeing that would tear
Scrooge's heart in pieces, but no...he's just curious if the melting will
confirm some kind of thought he has!
An adventitious circumstance is that Donald acts irritatingly stupid in this
story. Scrooge and the nephews may have brains, but Donald is just a
stand-in-the-way who irritates almost everyone with his presence.
Unfortunately, this story is not an exception on this matter. I hope Don
will change that in his future stories."
A respondent doesn't like "The Lost Charts of Columbus" because "...it's a
story which can be seen as never having being made without being missed at
all. Just like the Super Snooper sequel, this story just re-cycles its
original, i.e. the quest for the ownership of America, and IMO it doesn't
add anything. Of course the end-joke is very funny and clever, but that is
not enough to make a good story."
Finally, a guy doesn't like "A Little Something Special" (and stands alone
there) because....
***SPOILER***SPOILER***SPOILER***SPOILER***SPOILER***SPOILER***SPOILER***
"...this story goes too far in trying to make Scrooge some kind of
sympathetic hero with an overload of emotions and feelings--something I see
in more of Don's recent stories. Of course Scrooge has a personality in the
Barks stories, but he still has something narrow-minded which makes him so
funny and interesting.
I think a difference in Barks' and Rosa's point of view is the reason that
Barks looked at the Ducks as caricatures of human beings, while Don seems to
look at the Ducks as human beings themselves. I get the idea that Don wants
to share the sympathy he feels for Scrooge with the reader by softening
Scrooge's character and putting more emphasis on his weak sides.
Of course Scrooge *does* have a weak side, but just look at Barks' 'Back to
the Klondike' to see how difficult he shows it. In some of Don's
stories--like 'Hearts of the Yukon' and of course this one Scrooge's
emotions are shown too much and too emphasized. Scrooge *has* a sympathetic
spark in his character which one can love him for, but still then: at a safe
distance!
Another thing I don't like in "A Little Something Special" is the over-usage
of Goldie. For me it's just one time too many, especially when he says:
"I'll wait". In 'Back to the Klondike', the love between Scrooge and Goldie
is very fragile and well-hidden by both--a matter of pride or fear for
rejection? With 'A Little Something Special" it just seems a matter of time
that one day Scrooge will lock his money-bin and move into Goldie's house at
the Klondike. In the past he realy was only a poor old man if he would lose
his fortune or his first dime, now he knows he'll still have his young love
Goldie waiting at an almost romantic place where much of his memories take
place: the Klondike. Good for him, but a tragical side of his character/life
as in 'Back to the Klondike' is now gone."
E) BEST SHORT STORY (1-15 pages) (32 respondents)
1. "ON A SILVER PLATTER", H 8968, 14 votes (44%)
2. "INCIDENT AT MCDUCK TOWER", D90345, 10 votes (31%)
3. "ON STOLEN TIME", D90147, 9 votes (28%)
4. "The Island at the Edge of Time", D91071, 7 votes (22%)
"Mythological Menagerie", AR 104, 7 votes (22%)
6. "The Master Landscapist", D90057, 4 votes (12%)
"The Duck Who Fell to Earth", D90161, 4 votes (12%)
8. "Terror of the Transvaal", D92273, 3 votes (9%)
"The Curse of Nostrildamus", AR 143, 3 votes (9%)
"Fir-Tree Fracas", AR 109, 3 votes (9%)
"Nobody's Business", AR 103, 3 votes (9%)
The following received one vote each: "An Eye For Detail" D94121, "Super
Snooper Strikes Again" D91076, "The Money Pit" KD-01-90, "Fortune on the
Rocks" AR 128
MY COMMENTS: There were a few people who voted for stories in that category
with more than 15 pages. Examples were "A Matter of Some Gravity" and "The
Duck that Never Was" that have actually 16 pages! Even Don Rosa himself
committed such an (understandable) oversight. I had to disqualify such
picks. Perhaps I should have divided the stories between "gag" stories and
"adventure" stories as separate categories (see comments below). Well, maybe
next time!
RESPONDENTS COMMENTS: A respondent said he voted for "On a Silver Platter"
because "...that was so funny I laughed to tears", for "Fir-Tree Fracas"
'cause "...I love the side-gag with Gyro's little helper and the light-bulb
and I love Donald's mimics in the second panel", and for "On Stolen Time"
because "...it's a virtuoso play with a great idea."
Someone else wrote: "I had great difficulties filling out sections 5 and 6.
Although I understand it wouldn't fit the need to broaden the limit of
stories that may be mentioned, I'd suggest that if you are to conduct a
similar survey in the future, you should rename them "gag stories" and
"adventure stories" rather than "short stories" and "long stories". E.g. "A
Matter of Some Gravity" would obviously be a gag story and "The Terror of
Transvaal" (which I almost mentioned in category 5) would be an adventure."
F) BEST LONG STORY (35 Respondents)
1. "GUARDIANS OF THE LOST LIBRARY", D92380, 14 votes (40%)
2. "RETURN TO XANADU", D90314, 11 votes (31%)
3. "HIS MAJESTY MCDUCK", AR 145, 9 votes (26%)
4. "Son of the Sun", AR 102, 7 votes (20%)
5. "Hearts of the Yukon", D95044, 6 votes (17%)
"Last Sled to Dawson", AR 113, 6 votes (17%)
"A Matter of Some Gravity", D96001, 6 votes (17%)
8. "The Tenth Avatar", D95153, 5 votes (14%)
9. "A Little Something Special", D96325, 4 votes (11%)
10. "War of the Wendigo", D91192, 3 votes (8%)
"The Billionaire of Dismal Downs", D93121, 3 votes (8%)
"The Treasury of Croesus", D94012, 3 votes (8%)
The following received 2 votes each: "The Master of the Mississippi" D91411,
"Return To Plain Awful" AR 130
MY COMMENTS: I had to disqualify votes for the Lo$ as a whole (there were 4
such votes).
RESPONDENTS COMMENTS: A guy picked "A Matter of Some Gravity" 'cause
"...this is the best story I EVER read", while someone else commented that
"(Gravity)...feels like a short story".
Another respondent says that "...a reason why I chose 'Son of the Sun', 'His
Majesty McDuck' and 'The Tenth Avatar" is that they're stories which don't
lean on a Barks story. They're proof to me that Don doesn't need Barks to
write masterpieces--something I didn't doubt anyway.
The end-joke of 'Son of the Sun' made me laugh out loud, something which
happened again while reading 'The Tenth Avatar'. The avatar-story was really
a surprise to me, since I never expected a story which could compete with
the sensation of reading 'Son of the Sun'.
'His Majesty McDuck' didn't make me laugh out loud, but that might be the
only difference. How can someone use an idea that is so terribly simple in a
way, and then get it screwed up by all kinds of adventitious circumstances?
For a lot of people having such a country of their own would be a dream come
true, but who'll ever think of such matters? Just like in Barks' 'Tralla La'
where he shamelessly screws up many people's dreams of a world without money."
Another guy said that 'Son of the Sun' is his favorite "...precisely because
it is Don's first story--all others are 'yet another masterpiece by Don'!!!.
And 'Last Sled to Dawson' is the first comic book story that made me cry!"
G) BEST/CLEVEREST HIDDEN D.U.C.K. (17 respondents)
1. "DREAMTIME DUCK OF THE NEVER NEVER" (Cover) D92314, 5 votes (30%)
(D.U.C.K. hidden in the camel's four knees)
2. "THE NEW LAIRD OF CASTLE MCDUCK", (Cover) D92191, 4 votes (23%) (D.U.C.K.
hidden in the tree's branches)
3. "RAIDER OF THE COPPER HILL" (Cover) D92083, 3 votes (18%) (D.U.C.K
hidden in horse's hair)
Cover to Donald & Scrooge Disney album, 3 votes (18%) (D.U.C.K. hidden
on treasure chest's side)
The following received 2 votes each: "King of the Klondike" (splash) D92514
(D.U.C.K. hidden in rocks above water transport), "The Treasury of Croesus"
(splash) D94012 (D.U.C.K hidden in foam below)
MY COMMENTS: Yeah, I know, I know, that category was an overkill. Just too
difficult to answer. I promise I won't do it again!
RESPONDENTS COMMENTS: Well, wouldn't you expect comments like "...sorry, no
votes here", or "...it's hard to make a choice, really!), or "...I can't
vote here because I haven't been able to find all the D.U.C.K.'s and because
I don't have access to most of Rosa's covers", or "...I'd love to fill in
this category, but the best/cleverest are hidden so clever, I can't find
them", or "...the ones I can't find! There are a few and it would take too
long to go through my stack of comics to find them"? That's EXACTLY the
comments I got! :-)
GENERAL RESPONDENTS' COMMENTS:
"I also voted on the Barks survey years ago. This is good, but maybe too
many categories?"
"One good thing about getting old is that people believe you when you say 'I
don't remember'"
"I'm afraid summer is an awful time for this--I keep meaning to go through
my collection again to make sure I'm not forgetting some gem, but I didn't
get to it, so these came from memory."
"My judgement is somewhat handicapped since I do not have many Rosa stories
from the first Gladstone run. I also have not yet had the opportunity to
read recent issues like 'The Tenth Avatar' and 'The Vigilante of Pizen
Bluff'. I would have put the Lo$ as the answer to almost all categories, but
instead counted the chapters as stories themselves."
"It was very difficult to pick only three best things of every category.
There are so many. It was very hard to make any decision. For the category
for 'WORST STORY' I picked three of which you cannot say that they are bad
because Don Rosa until now has not created bad stories. But they are not so
good as the other stories."
"To pick long stories, opening splash panels and covers is very hard to do
when I consider the Lo$ epic story as one story. It will fill all these
categories. So, when I'm picking stories, etc., I leave Lo$ out."
"Thank God it was three of each to pick. THE (one and only) Best would have
been impossible to choose...It would have been much easier with four or five
picks...or six or seven....or...I just have to try to live with it, just
three picks."
"I have not read many Rosa stories yet."
"As was stated many times on the mailing list, it is almost impossible to
choose 3 best Rosa-whatever, and that's why I didn't think to answer,
although at first I was thrilled about the questionnaire, but then
discovered the difficulty in filling it! Then I thought it is possible to
state one favorite, instead of several."
"Where to even start!"
"Can I send the results to the Finnish Aku Ankka when the survey is
finished?" (Answer: YES!)
"Is it possible to see the results of this survey?" (Answer: You are doing
it right now! :-))
"If there were a category for 'the story which gave you the most intense
experience of sheer delight', I would without question vote for 'Guardians
of the Lost Library'--the delight coming at the moment when I realized that
the knowledge and wisdom of all the world's great lost libraries was going
to end up condensed into the JW Guidebook. But I have to admit on re-reading
that overall it is not as good a story as the three I named above." (Isn't
this statement ironic? You should have gove with your FIRST gut instinct! :-))
"I've worked very hard to get this exactly as my opinion is by checking all
parts of my Rosa collection! Now you've got to tell me what use this is for
you? :-) WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO WITH ALL THE STATISTICS AND WHAT DO YOU
EXPECT THEM TO PROVE? (My capitalization)"
MY LAST COMMENT: GOSH, I JUST REALIZED I DIDN"T HAVE A THEORY IN MIND!!!
WHAT DO I HOPE TO PROVE??? :-)
Cheers, (it was FUN)
Archontis
Edge, Ronald D
Disney comics Digest V97 #212
Message 6 -
1997-10-01 at 19:44:57
Re: the discussion of Van Horn, I will just chip in and say I find his
short stories, both in terms of story and art, much more in the spirit
of the classic Barks stories of the late 40's and early 50's in WDC&S
than just about any of the current artists. The best in the past year or
so was the story set in the swamps of Florida, with its closing scenes
of sunset, as the Ducks retire once more from the field of action. VERY
reminiscent of the typical ending moment of closure and reconciliation
characterizing the Barks tales of Donald and the boys.
As much as I love Rosa's work, it is really a category unto itself,
especially as it has matured and taken on more and more characteristics
that make it so obviously Rosa: the tight, detailed drawings; minute
detail, not the broad strokes and figures that Van Horn draws; and so
many 'in' gags and allusions I sometimes feel I should keep my
Britannica CD open and running to figure it all out. I am sure I am
missing a lot.
Ron.
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short stories, both in terms of story and art, much more in the spirit
of the classic Barks stories of the late 40's and early 50's in WDC&S
than just about any of the current artists. The best in the past year or
so was the story set in the swamps of Florida, with its closing scenes
of sunset, as the Ducks retire once more from the field of action. VERY
reminiscent of the typical ending moment of closure and reconciliation
characterizing the Barks tales of Donald and the boys.
As much as I love Rosa's work, it is really a category unto itself,
especially as it has matured and taken on more and more characteristics
that make it so obviously Rosa: the tight, detailed drawings; minute
detail, not the broad strokes and figures that Van Horn draws; and so
many 'in' gags and allusions I sometimes feel I should keep my
Britannica CD open and running to figure it all out. I am sure I am
missing a lot.
Ron.
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* Indiana University Intercollegiate Athletics 1001 East 17th St
* Bloomington, IN 47408-1590 vox: 812-855-4978 fax: 812-855-0448
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Michael Naiman
Uncle Scrooge Toy
Message 7 -
1997-10-01 at 20:11:11
ALL:
I'm looking for an ad that would have appeared in 1961 in the back of any of
the Dell titles advertising the "Uncle Scrooge Bank."
The ad depicts Scrooge sitting on top of a bank holding a key
with HD&L surrounding him.
All I need is an issue number & title (or copy of ad).
I could not find a picture in the "Dell Trading Post" ads of that time,
but I do know it came out in 1961.
Help!!
I'm looking for an ad that would have appeared in 1961 in the back of any of
the Dell titles advertising the "Uncle Scrooge Bank."
The ad depicts Scrooge sitting on top of a bank holding a key
with HD&L surrounding him.
All I need is an issue number & title (or copy of ad).
I could not find a picture in the "Dell Trading Post" ads of that time,
but I do know it came out in 1961.
Help!!
Fluks, H.W.
ROSA SURVEY: PART II (LOOONG)
Message 8 -
1997-10-01 at 21:45:31
ARCHONTIS wrote:
>
>GENERAL RESPONDENTS' COMMENTS:
>"One good thing about getting old is that people believe you when you say 'I
>don't remember'"
And now we have to guess who wrote this comment? 8-)
>--Harry.
>
>GENERAL RESPONDENTS' COMMENTS:
>"One good thing about getting old is that people believe you when you say 'I
>don't remember'"
And now we have to guess who wrote this comment? 8-)
>--Harry.
Bhc
Disney comics Digest V97 #212
Message 9 -
1997-10-01 at 23:42:14
David wrote:
>..Rosa doesn't do enough material for a regularly-published comic
>to contain it and it alone.
That sez it right there, folks.
Don M. wrote:
> A fundamentalist is a person who thinks with his "fundament".
> (I was going to follow this with a real definition, but who
> needs the off-topic controversy? Let's just say it's a religious
> fanatic.)
To clarify this a bit, and take any heat thereby, a "fundamentalist"
attempts to observe the fundamental tenets of a particular set of beliefs.
In American Christian fundamentalism, this is predicated on taking the
Bible as a literal historical document and the perfect expression of God's
word. The true Christian fundamentalist, therefore, must know the Bible
very, very well.
Dave:
>Does anyone know if you can buy back issues from Gladstone?
You most certainly can. Just e-mail us ((Email removed)), to the attention
of Janet Dvorak, stating what you are looking for. Janet will get back to
you with availability, pricing and additional ordering info.
Gary
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>..Rosa doesn't do enough material for a regularly-published comic
>to contain it and it alone.
That sez it right there, folks.
Don M. wrote:
> A fundamentalist is a person who thinks with his "fundament".
> (I was going to follow this with a real definition, but who
> needs the off-topic controversy? Let's just say it's a religious
> fanatic.)
To clarify this a bit, and take any heat thereby, a "fundamentalist"
attempts to observe the fundamental tenets of a particular set of beliefs.
In American Christian fundamentalism, this is predicated on taking the
Bible as a literal historical document and the perfect expression of God's
word. The true Christian fundamentalist, therefore, must know the Bible
very, very well.
Dave:
>Does anyone know if you can buy back issues from Gladstone?
You most certainly can. Just e-mail us ((Email removed)), to the attention
of Janet Dvorak, stating what you are looking for. Janet will get back to
you with availability, pricing and additional ordering info.
Gary
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Cebarat
Disney Comics Mailing List V97 #211
Message 10 -
1997-10-02 at 03:12:34
SHAUN CRAILL related a conversation he had with a Disney minion based in New
Zealand to get permission for use of a Beagle Boy image:
<<Disney: "Are the Beagle Boys Disney characters then?"
Me: "Yes, they certainly are. You know, like in Duck Tales."
Disney: "Oh right, Duck Tales. So you want to use a Duck tales Beagle Boy?"
Me: "No definetly not. I want to use a Barks Beagle Boy."
Disney: "A what?"
Me: "Barks, as in Carl Barks."
Disney: "Who?">>
Sadly, I've found the same lack of knowledge to be the case when dealing with
other people involved in the retailing of studio products, specifically at
the Disney Stores. Heck, last fall, when I went into a D-Store to see if
there was any QUACK PACK merchandise, the manager had never heard of the
series -- which had been in circulation for a month and was Disney TV's
flagship offering of the fall.
How I wish that every prospective Disney marketing and retailing exec and
Disney Store manager had to take a course in Disney history -- one which
included movies, TV, theme parks, AND comics!
DAVID FENSKE asked:
<<4) I really don't like the old DD strips running in DD (sorry - the artists
name eludes me - Talifierro?). They're not funny. Consequently, I haven't
bought more than one or two issues since they started the current run.
Will they be ending soon? Seems like overkill to me, doing them for so
long.>>
Let's see -- Al Taliaferro's run on the strips extended until 1969, and right
now they're running strips from early 1940... they run about a month's worth
of strips per issue, and (1969 - 1940) x 12 = 348, so the DD strips should
stop appearing sometime around issue #650 to 655 or so. At the very least,
I'll be retired by then, so I'll certainly have more time to read those last
few batches of strips...
-- Christopher E. Barat
(Email removed)
http://members.aol.com/cebarat/home.htm
"Scrooge: YOU'RE ONLY AS OLD AS YOU FEEL!
Launchpad: IN THAT CASE, I MUST BE AT LEAST 700 YEARS OLD!"
-- "DuckTales" episode "Sweet Duck of Youth"
Zealand to get permission for use of a Beagle Boy image:
<<Disney: "Are the Beagle Boys Disney characters then?"
Me: "Yes, they certainly are. You know, like in Duck Tales."
Disney: "Oh right, Duck Tales. So you want to use a Duck tales Beagle Boy?"
Me: "No definetly not. I want to use a Barks Beagle Boy."
Disney: "A what?"
Me: "Barks, as in Carl Barks."
Disney: "Who?">>
Sadly, I've found the same lack of knowledge to be the case when dealing with
other people involved in the retailing of studio products, specifically at
the Disney Stores. Heck, last fall, when I went into a D-Store to see if
there was any QUACK PACK merchandise, the manager had never heard of the
series -- which had been in circulation for a month and was Disney TV's
flagship offering of the fall.
How I wish that every prospective Disney marketing and retailing exec and
Disney Store manager had to take a course in Disney history -- one which
included movies, TV, theme parks, AND comics!
DAVID FENSKE asked:
<<4) I really don't like the old DD strips running in DD (sorry - the artists
name eludes me - Talifierro?). They're not funny. Consequently, I haven't
bought more than one or two issues since they started the current run.
Will they be ending soon? Seems like overkill to me, doing them for so
long.>>
Let's see -- Al Taliaferro's run on the strips extended until 1969, and right
now they're running strips from early 1940... they run about a month's worth
of strips per issue, and (1969 - 1940) x 12 = 348, so the DD strips should
stop appearing sometime around issue #650 to 655 or so. At the very least,
I'll be retired by then, so I'll certainly have more time to read those last
few batches of strips...
-- Christopher E. Barat
(Email removed)
http://members.aol.com/cebarat/home.htm
"Scrooge: YOU'RE ONLY AS OLD AS YOU FEEL!
Launchpad: IN THAT CASE, I MUST BE AT LEAST 700 YEARS OLD!"
-- "DuckTales" episode "Sweet Duck of Youth"
JALustig
A Minor Clarification about "Somewhere"
Message 11 -
1997-10-02 at 08:37:46
Several days ago Marco wrote asking if the story I developed from a Barks
idea was called "Somewhere in Nowhere." Before I could respond, Harry wrote
back (quite correctly) that this is indeed the name of the story. Harry
added--and I have no idea how he saw a copy of the story--that he's seen the
completed art for "Somewhere." He also added:
"It...was offered to both Egmont and GP (Holland). Both companies found the
price of the story, as asked by the Barks Studio, too high, so they will not
buy the story in the near future."
I've thought about it and I think this may create a bit of a false
impression. I certainly don't want anyone bugging these publishers because
they think they're being too cheap. The story was commissioned by the Barks
Studio. The studio paid me and artist Pat Block to create the story. As a
result, the studio owns the story. It's selling price was considerably more
than the going rate at Egmont and this was a concern. But there were
definitely other reasons besides just money that story was not purchased.
At this point, I think both Egmont and the Barks Studio would probably prefer
that I not say too much about the project. I know I certainly don't feel like
talking about it. So I guess that's really all I have to say on the subject.
I'm sorry I can't be more helpful.
From Somewhere in Limbo,
--John Lustig
idea was called "Somewhere in Nowhere." Before I could respond, Harry wrote
back (quite correctly) that this is indeed the name of the story. Harry
added--and I have no idea how he saw a copy of the story--that he's seen the
completed art for "Somewhere." He also added:
"It...was offered to both Egmont and GP (Holland). Both companies found the
price of the story, as asked by the Barks Studio, too high, so they will not
buy the story in the near future."
I've thought about it and I think this may create a bit of a false
impression. I certainly don't want anyone bugging these publishers because
they think they're being too cheap. The story was commissioned by the Barks
Studio. The studio paid me and artist Pat Block to create the story. As a
result, the studio owns the story. It's selling price was considerably more
than the going rate at Egmont and this was a concern. But there were
definitely other reasons besides just money that story was not purchased.
At this point, I think both Egmont and the Barks Studio would probably prefer
that I not say too much about the project. I know I certainly don't feel like
talking about it. So I guess that's really all I have to say on the subject.
I'm sorry I can't be more helpful.
From Somewhere in Limbo,
--John Lustig
Klaus Harms
Deja Phooey!
Message 12 -
1997-10-02 at 11:35:48
The "ironic twopager" in German Tock Tock magazine (and probably
elsewhere):
Has anyone noticed the appearence of the odd fourth nephew "Phooey"
in one panel?
(P.S.: "Der Donaldist" reader already know that fact. Greetings to
Juergen, btw.)
Klaus
elsewhere):
Has anyone noticed the appearence of the odd fourth nephew "Phooey"
in one panel?
(P.S.: "Der Donaldist" reader already know that fact. Greetings to
Juergen, btw.)
Klaus
David B. Fenske
Fundamentalists
Message 13 -
1997-10-02 at 12:09:59
From a message by Gary:
>Don M. wrote:
>
>> A fundamentalist is a person who thinks with his "fundament".
>> (I was going to follow this with a real definition, but who
>> needs the off-topic controversy? Let's just say it's a religious
>> fanatic.)
>
>To clarify this a bit, and take any heat thereby, a "fundamentalist"
>attempts to observe the fundamental tenets of a particular set of beliefs.
>In American Christian fundamentalism, this is predicated on taking the
>Bible as a literal historical document and the perfect expression of God's
>word. The true Christian fundamentalist, therefore, must know the Bible
>very, very well.
I must confess a little discomfort with some of the comments regarding
fundamentalists here. Now, I'm not one, and up here in Canada there aren't
as many as in the US, but the tone of this discussion is very condescending
- and the impression is given that any people of religious persuasion who
take their faith seriously or somewhat literally are fanatics (keep in mind
that many non-fundamentalists take many of the tenets of historic
Christianity fairly literally - I'm thinking here of many Catholics, and
members of the more conservative synods of the older mainline protestant
denominations).
If a mother doesn't like the magic in a Disney comic, and writes a letter
stating that, she shouldn't be labeled a fanatic and chastised for trying
to dictate what other people's kids can read. She's freely expressing her
opinion. Others don't have to agree. If someone wrote in complaining of
sexist stereotyping, would that person be labeled a fanatic? What about
Disney studios themselves - they apparently censor much of their older
material, thereby keeping us all from reading it - are they fanatics? The
phrase gets used far too often to label people who hold views that are a
bit off the mainstream, or who hold views we don't agree with.
In other words, I think it's fine to disagree strongly with another persons
views, and state clearly why you do, but I think we should avoid negative
labelling of the people who hold them.
I realize this is quite off-topic. Sorry :-)
Dave
>Don M. wrote:
>
>> A fundamentalist is a person who thinks with his "fundament".
>> (I was going to follow this with a real definition, but who
>> needs the off-topic controversy? Let's just say it's a religious
>> fanatic.)
>
>To clarify this a bit, and take any heat thereby, a "fundamentalist"
>attempts to observe the fundamental tenets of a particular set of beliefs.
>In American Christian fundamentalism, this is predicated on taking the
>Bible as a literal historical document and the perfect expression of God's
>word. The true Christian fundamentalist, therefore, must know the Bible
>very, very well.
I must confess a little discomfort with some of the comments regarding
fundamentalists here. Now, I'm not one, and up here in Canada there aren't
as many as in the US, but the tone of this discussion is very condescending
- and the impression is given that any people of religious persuasion who
take their faith seriously or somewhat literally are fanatics (keep in mind
that many non-fundamentalists take many of the tenets of historic
Christianity fairly literally - I'm thinking here of many Catholics, and
members of the more conservative synods of the older mainline protestant
denominations).
If a mother doesn't like the magic in a Disney comic, and writes a letter
stating that, she shouldn't be labeled a fanatic and chastised for trying
to dictate what other people's kids can read. She's freely expressing her
opinion. Others don't have to agree. If someone wrote in complaining of
sexist stereotyping, would that person be labeled a fanatic? What about
Disney studios themselves - they apparently censor much of their older
material, thereby keeping us all from reading it - are they fanatics? The
phrase gets used far too often to label people who hold views that are a
bit off the mainstream, or who hold views we don't agree with.
In other words, I think it's fine to disagree strongly with another persons
views, and state clearly why you do, but I think we should avoid negative
labelling of the people who hold them.
I realize this is quite off-topic. Sorry :-)
Dave
ANTTI HYVARINEN
Tour dates
Message 14 -
1997-10-02 at 13:52:05
DON R:
Don, could you tell me when you=B4re coming to Helsinki, Finland?
-Antti-
Don, could you tell me when you=B4re coming to Helsinki, Finland?
-Antti-
ANTTI HYVARINEN
Tour dates
Message 15 -
1997-10-02 at 13:52:05
DON R:
Don, could you tell me when you=B4re coming to Helsinki, Finland?
-Antti-
Don, could you tell me when you=B4re coming to Helsinki, Finland?
-Antti-