Ole wrote:
> Since Harry's off-line
Correction: ALMOST off-line. 8-)
Greeting to all from Florence, Italy!
(We're already missing you, Ole...)
--Harry.
Author
Topic: 199710
(359 messages)
Marco Barlotti
Fluks @ Barlotti
Message 346 -
1997-10-31 at 00:14:26
Fabrizio
Paperino e il doppio capodanno
Message 347 -
1997-10-31 at 00:33:01
Marco + Kriton + Francois
> KRITON + FRANCOIS
>
> [on: I AT 13-A (January 1958)]
> Yes, I know. And no, it was NOT published recently. The only reprint is on
> "Albi della Rosa" #478 (more than 30 years ago).
> By the way: I am **very** envious of you, Francois! Because I distinctly
> recall having read that story when I was a child... and I wish I could read
> it again!
Well, actually a more recent Italian reprint of that story does
exist !!
It is included in the book "Paperino Superstar"; one of those
give-away volumes that Mondadori used to give to "Topolino"
subscribers.
This book is in black and white and also includes Scarpa's "The
McDuck foudation" and three classic Barks' hits.
"Paperino Superstar" was published in 1976 (at that time I had a
subscription to "Topolino", so it is not so recent, but enought to
make me recall having read that story when I was a child
too...regardless of the age gap between Marco and me !
For those of you going to Lucca this weekend (I will most likely NOT
be there...sigh :() the book is rather likely to be found there.
Cheers,
Fabrizio
> KRITON + FRANCOIS
>
> [on: I AT 13-A (January 1958)]
> Yes, I know. And no, it was NOT published recently. The only reprint is on
> "Albi della Rosa" #478 (more than 30 years ago).
> By the way: I am **very** envious of you, Francois! Because I distinctly
> recall having read that story when I was a child... and I wish I could read
> it again!
Well, actually a more recent Italian reprint of that story does
exist !!
It is included in the book "Paperino Superstar"; one of those
give-away volumes that Mondadori used to give to "Topolino"
subscribers.
This book is in black and white and also includes Scarpa's "The
McDuck foudation" and three classic Barks' hits.
"Paperino Superstar" was published in 1976 (at that time I had a
subscription to "Topolino", so it is not so recent, but enought to
make me recall having read that story when I was a child
too...regardless of the age gap between Marco and me !
For those of you going to Lucca this weekend (I will most likely NOT
be there...sigh :() the book is rather likely to be found there.
Cheers,
Fabrizio
Per-Erik Malmström
Don in Norway
Message 348 -
1997-10-31 at 00:52:36
TO ALL NORWEGIANS:
Does anyone have Don's schedule for the visit in Norway?
He will be in Oslo, right?
Best regards,
Per-Erik
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Does anyone have Don's schedule for the visit in Norway?
He will be in Oslo, right?
Best regards,
Per-Erik
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Cebarat
Disney comics Digest V97 #237
Message 349 -
1997-10-31 at 02:18:20
AUGIE DE BLIECK asked:
<<Can any of you think of a good example of an Uncle $crooge story which
more closely resembles $crooge taking advantage of nature in the same way the
Europeans did upon first finding the New World 500 years ago?>>
Two stories that immediately come to mind are "Land of the Pygmy Indians" and
"Voodoo Hoodoo." In the former, Scrooge never actually becomes exploitative,
but he mulls over the possibility quite a bit, so I suppose that counts as a
representation of the mindset you're describing. "Voodoo Hoodoo" postulates
that Scrooge chased Foola Zoola's tribe off its land years before the story
begins. If you paired "VH" together with the chapter of Don's "Life of
Scrooge" that actually portrays Scrooge routing the natives, then you may
have something.
The JUNIOR WOODCHUCKS stories that were scripted by Barks, many of which have
an environmental theme, also could qualify. I have a hard time taking these
stories as "canon," however, since in order to give the JWs a worthy
"opponent," Barks essentially "devolved" Scrooge into a rip-and-run robber
baron.
The RADICAL AMERICA article, "An Interview with Donald Duck," was reprinted
in an issue of THE DUCKBURG TIMES some years ago.
-- Christopher E. Barat
(Email removed)
http://members.aol.com/cebarat/home.htm
"MAKING MONEY AT THE EXPENSE OF OTHERS IS NO BARGAIN!" -- Scrooge,
"DuckTales" episode "Duck to the Future"
<<Can any of you think of a good example of an Uncle $crooge story which
more closely resembles $crooge taking advantage of nature in the same way the
Europeans did upon first finding the New World 500 years ago?>>
Two stories that immediately come to mind are "Land of the Pygmy Indians" and
"Voodoo Hoodoo." In the former, Scrooge never actually becomes exploitative,
but he mulls over the possibility quite a bit, so I suppose that counts as a
representation of the mindset you're describing. "Voodoo Hoodoo" postulates
that Scrooge chased Foola Zoola's tribe off its land years before the story
begins. If you paired "VH" together with the chapter of Don's "Life of
Scrooge" that actually portrays Scrooge routing the natives, then you may
have something.
The JUNIOR WOODCHUCKS stories that were scripted by Barks, many of which have
an environmental theme, also could qualify. I have a hard time taking these
stories as "canon," however, since in order to give the JWs a worthy
"opponent," Barks essentially "devolved" Scrooge into a rip-and-run robber
baron.
The RADICAL AMERICA article, "An Interview with Donald Duck," was reprinted
in an issue of THE DUCKBURG TIMES some years ago.
-- Christopher E. Barat
(Email removed)
http://members.aol.com/cebarat/home.htm
"MAKING MONEY AT THE EXPENSE OF OTHERS IS NO BARGAIN!" -- Scrooge,
"DuckTales" episode "Duck to the Future"
Brix Lichtenberg
Censorship
Message 350 -
1997-10-31 at 09:10:32
Hi folks, is the censorship discussion still on?
When I read the last digest yesterday I just wanted to add my two
pennies and tell about a censoring that really caused my mind hurting
like the one of the mad musician. With the exception of the very first
(and very highly priced) edition Ehapa Germany (and maybe other Egmont
countries too) replaced 3 panels by Bottaro with 3 Panels by Peregro
(whose art IMHO is below average at least) in the german pocketbook
(Lustiges Taschenbuch) No. 7. The intention was good though because in
the original panels Donald puts his fingers in a wall plug and gets
electrified and children might try this, too. But the replacement was so
pointless and badly drawn it offended me already as a kid.
Today I could add nearly 200 other examples of editing/censoring by
Ehapa. I had to work in Eutin today (small town about 100 km northeast
Hamburg) and decided to give the library of D.O.N.A.L.D. located there a
call to look for indexing material (Harry certainly will lick his
fingers when he's back from Italy. Harry, I'll contact you in private
mail about this). The librarian was very nice and had quite a lot of
interesting material on Disney, mainly on Barks but also on other
related things.
One of those is "Sonderheft 34 des Der Donaldist", published in fall
1996 by Boemund v. Hunoltstein. It's titled "Ehapa durchleuchtet" (Ehapa
x-rayed) and is an exeptionally well done book on editing done by Ehapa
(art, translations, cuts and so on). It's very well documented with a
lot of pictures of original and edited art/translation. I don't know the
price, sorry. I guess it's between DM 25,-- and DM 40,--.
It's well worth a read, really revealing and just another reason why I
prefer the original versions.
BTW, the Donaldists do such amazing things in their publications.
They're so dedicated I'm always stunned (for example a research which
panels of original Barks art Don Rosa used for his "Cash Flow", the
aforementioned "Ehapa durchleuchtet", or the essay on Phooey which was
deeper than the discussion on the list; I think the author of this
particular essay is on the list though). This ML should be exactly the
forum the Donaldists might enjoy. Where are you guys? I just know of two
or three on this list. Lurking Donaldists raise your hands and voices!
Keep on ducking, Brix
When I read the last digest yesterday I just wanted to add my two
pennies and tell about a censoring that really caused my mind hurting
like the one of the mad musician. With the exception of the very first
(and very highly priced) edition Ehapa Germany (and maybe other Egmont
countries too) replaced 3 panels by Bottaro with 3 Panels by Peregro
(whose art IMHO is below average at least) in the german pocketbook
(Lustiges Taschenbuch) No. 7. The intention was good though because in
the original panels Donald puts his fingers in a wall plug and gets
electrified and children might try this, too. But the replacement was so
pointless and badly drawn it offended me already as a kid.
Today I could add nearly 200 other examples of editing/censoring by
Ehapa. I had to work in Eutin today (small town about 100 km northeast
Hamburg) and decided to give the library of D.O.N.A.L.D. located there a
call to look for indexing material (Harry certainly will lick his
fingers when he's back from Italy. Harry, I'll contact you in private
mail about this). The librarian was very nice and had quite a lot of
interesting material on Disney, mainly on Barks but also on other
related things.
One of those is "Sonderheft 34 des Der Donaldist", published in fall
1996 by Boemund v. Hunoltstein. It's titled "Ehapa durchleuchtet" (Ehapa
x-rayed) and is an exeptionally well done book on editing done by Ehapa
(art, translations, cuts and so on). It's very well documented with a
lot of pictures of original and edited art/translation. I don't know the
price, sorry. I guess it's between DM 25,-- and DM 40,--.
It's well worth a read, really revealing and just another reason why I
prefer the original versions.
BTW, the Donaldists do such amazing things in their publications.
They're so dedicated I'm always stunned (for example a research which
panels of original Barks art Don Rosa used for his "Cash Flow", the
aforementioned "Ehapa durchleuchtet", or the essay on Phooey which was
deeper than the discussion on the list; I think the author of this
particular essay is on the list though). This ML should be exactly the
forum the Donaldists might enjoy. Where are you guys? I just know of two
or three on this list. Lurking Donaldists raise your hands and voices!
Keep on ducking, Brix
Soeren Krarup Olesen
Censorship
Message 351 -
1997-10-31 at 11:46:19
Brix Lichtenberg wrote:
> Hi folks, is the censorship discussion still on?
>
> With the exception of the very first
> (and very highly priced) edition Ehapa Germany (and maybe other Egmont
> countries too) replaced 3 panels by Bottaro with 3 Panels by Peregro
> (whose art IMHO is below average at least) in the german pocketbook
> (Lustiges Taschenbuch) No. 7. The intention was good though because in
> the original panels Donald puts his fingers in a wall plug and gets
> electrified and children might try this, too. But the replacement was so
> pointless and badly drawn it offended me already as a kid.
I remember that one. It is the third story in Jumbobog nr. 3 (or KAP no. 3)
with Gyro Gearloose having a split personality. It is registered in the
comics-lib
as a Chierchini story, but it is (as you wrote) a Bottaro.
They did not in Denmark put any Perego things in the story, so I will fix a
scan
for you in some 6 hours to be found at
http://www.kom.auc.dk/~sko/jumbo/ucen.gif
Perhaps you could provide a scan of the Perego part. I would just love
to hate to see it!
=sko
> Hi folks, is the censorship discussion still on?
>
> With the exception of the very first
> (and very highly priced) edition Ehapa Germany (and maybe other Egmont
> countries too) replaced 3 panels by Bottaro with 3 Panels by Peregro
> (whose art IMHO is below average at least) in the german pocketbook
> (Lustiges Taschenbuch) No. 7. The intention was good though because in
> the original panels Donald puts his fingers in a wall plug and gets
> electrified and children might try this, too. But the replacement was so
> pointless and badly drawn it offended me already as a kid.
I remember that one. It is the third story in Jumbobog nr. 3 (or KAP no. 3)
with Gyro Gearloose having a split personality. It is registered in the
comics-lib
as a Chierchini story, but it is (as you wrote) a Bottaro.
They did not in Denmark put any Perego things in the story, so I will fix a
scan
for you in some 6 hours to be found at
http://www.kom.auc.dk/~sko/jumbo/ucen.gif
Perhaps you could provide a scan of the Perego part. I would just love
to hate to see it!
=sko
Augie De Blieck Jr.
Tralla La in History class
Message 352 -
1997-10-31 at 13:46:02
CHRIS:
Thanks for the input. I will keep those stories in mind should the class ever
make them relevant. (I have no fear about bringin my comics to class.)
So let me tell you all about what happened in class yesterday morning: We came
to the part where we were discussing the relevant article. I raised my hand
and offered to make a correction, if I could. I pointed out the article was
wrong and that it was an Uncle $crooge comic and not a Donald Duck comic that
contained "Tralla La." Furthermore, I pointed out that it wasn't a nephew who
discarded the bottlecap, but $crooge himself. Nor do I think the story had
much to do with Western Imperialism, but rather basic economics (flooding the
market reduces value) or hints at the collector's market. The professor looked
at me and said, "I should've known you'd be the only one with a copy of that
comic, Augie." We had a great time for a couple minutes in class there. Much
more light-hearted than the rest. Then the professor asked if he could borrow
the comic to read it, and of course I leant it to him. I later pointed out the
Geoffrey Blum analysis of it to him, too. So we'll see if he gets around to
reading it. And I'll let you all know what he had to say. =)
-Augie
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Augie De Blieck Jr. * (Email removed) * (Email removed) <*>
"The avalanche has already started, it is too late for the
pebbles to vote." -Kosh, "Believers"
Thanks for the input. I will keep those stories in mind should the class ever
make them relevant. (I have no fear about bringin my comics to class.)
So let me tell you all about what happened in class yesterday morning: We came
to the part where we were discussing the relevant article. I raised my hand
and offered to make a correction, if I could. I pointed out the article was
wrong and that it was an Uncle $crooge comic and not a Donald Duck comic that
contained "Tralla La." Furthermore, I pointed out that it wasn't a nephew who
discarded the bottlecap, but $crooge himself. Nor do I think the story had
much to do with Western Imperialism, but rather basic economics (flooding the
market reduces value) or hints at the collector's market. The professor looked
at me and said, "I should've known you'd be the only one with a copy of that
comic, Augie." We had a great time for a couple minutes in class there. Much
more light-hearted than the rest. Then the professor asked if he could borrow
the comic to read it, and of course I leant it to him. I later pointed out the
Geoffrey Blum analysis of it to him, too. So we'll see if he gets around to
reading it. And I'll let you all know what he had to say. =)
-Augie
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Augie De Blieck Jr. * (Email removed) * (Email removed) <*>
"The avalanche has already started, it is too late for the
pebbles to vote." -Kosh, "Believers"
Claus Ola Margon Havik
H, D & L Duck
Message 353 -
1997-10-31 at 14:12:55
KATIE:
I remember when they published the family tree here in Norway, they gav=
e
an explanation to why Daisy and April May & June also were called Duck
even though they were not related to Donald. The explanation was that
Duck is a very common name in Duckburg just as Smith migth be a very
common name in America. So it is possible that their fathers name also =
is Duck.
(Has any story ever mentioned his name?)
Then again she didn't have to change her name when she married did she?
Claus O. M. H=D4vik
I remember when they published the family tree here in Norway, they gav=
e
an explanation to why Daisy and April May & June also were called Duck
even though they were not related to Donald. The explanation was that
Duck is a very common name in Duckburg just as Smith migth be a very
common name in America. So it is possible that their fathers name also =
is Duck.
(Has any story ever mentioned his name?)
Then again she didn't have to change her name when she married did she?
Claus O. M. H=D4vik
Augie De Blieck Jr.
Gladstone Comics in January
Message 354 -
1997-10-31 at 14:22:37
PREVIEWS, p. 253:
DONALD DUCK ADVENTURES #49
* "WHADALOTTAJARGON" by Don Rosa
$1.95
UNCLE $CROOGE ADVENTURES #55
* "The Spider Yarn" and "Time Bandits" from Europe
$1.95
UNCLE $CROOGE #309
A Gyro Gearloose-themed issue
* "Money to Burn" by Vicar
* "A Sticky Situation"
* "Snow Duster" by Carl Barks
$1.95
UNCLE $CROOGE ADVENTURES IN COLOR #37
* "The Unsafe Safe"
* "Much Luck McDuck"
$8.95
UNCLE $CROOGE ADVENTURES IN COLOR #38
* "A Spciy Tale"
* "Tricky Experiment"
$8.95
WALT DISNEY'S COMICS & STORIES #622
* "Just Another Hangup" - WVH, 2 pages, Gyro and Launchpad
* "The Fossil Hunters" -Pat McGreal & Ferioli, Part 2/2 Mickey Mouse
* "Cousin Bertie" - Horac Horsecollar, Clarabelle Cow, Berties
* "The Secret of the Ancient Incas" - Mickey and Goofy , part 1/3
* "An Eye for Detail" by Don Rosa
$6.95
No word on whether Don's story is a serial or not. How long is it?
-Augie
*
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Augie De Blieck Jr. * (Email removed) * (Email removed) <*>
"The avalanche has already started, it is too late for the
pebbles to vote." -Kosh, "Believers"
DONALD DUCK ADVENTURES #49
* "WHADALOTTAJARGON" by Don Rosa
$1.95
UNCLE $CROOGE ADVENTURES #55
* "The Spider Yarn" and "Time Bandits" from Europe
$1.95
UNCLE $CROOGE #309
A Gyro Gearloose-themed issue
* "Money to Burn" by Vicar
* "A Sticky Situation"
* "Snow Duster" by Carl Barks
$1.95
UNCLE $CROOGE ADVENTURES IN COLOR #37
* "The Unsafe Safe"
* "Much Luck McDuck"
$8.95
UNCLE $CROOGE ADVENTURES IN COLOR #38
* "A Spciy Tale"
* "Tricky Experiment"
$8.95
WALT DISNEY'S COMICS & STORIES #622
* "Just Another Hangup" - WVH, 2 pages, Gyro and Launchpad
* "The Fossil Hunters" -Pat McGreal & Ferioli, Part 2/2 Mickey Mouse
* "Cousin Bertie" - Horac Horsecollar, Clarabelle Cow, Berties
* "The Secret of the Ancient Incas" - Mickey and Goofy , part 1/3
* "An Eye for Detail" by Don Rosa
$6.95
No word on whether Don's story is a serial or not. How long is it?
-Augie
*
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Augie De Blieck Jr. * (Email removed) * (Email removed) <*>
"The avalanche has already started, it is too late for the
pebbles to vote." -Kosh, "Believers"
Augie De Blieck Jr.
Disney comics Digest V97 #237
Message 355 -
1997-10-31 at 14:22:38
Hi David,
> "Land of the Pygmy Indians" is the best example I can think of,
> with Scrooge encountering virgin soil with an eye toward exploiting it
> to the hilt. (Inspecting the ground for traces of minerals, thinking
> about what areas would be good for factories and housing projects, etc.)
Thanks much. Not a bad idea - I had forgotten about that story. I'll reread
it this weekend.
-Augie
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Augie De Blieck Jr. * (Email removed) * (Email removed) <*>
"The avalanche has already started, it is too late for the
pebbles to vote." -Kosh, "Believers"
> "Land of the Pygmy Indians" is the best example I can think of,
> with Scrooge encountering virgin soil with an eye toward exploiting it
> to the hilt. (Inspecting the ground for traces of minerals, thinking
> about what areas would be good for factories and housing projects, etc.)
Thanks much. Not a bad idea - I had forgotten about that story. I'll reread
it this weekend.
-Augie
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Augie De Blieck Jr. * (Email removed) * (Email removed) <*>
"The avalanche has already started, it is too late for the
pebbles to vote." -Kosh, "Believers"
Luna Storta
Disney Survey
Message 356 -
1997-10-31 at 14:40:27
Hello again,
This is just to remaind to the ones of you that still haven't voted in
the International Disney Survey that there is still time to do it (the
line end will be on 15 november), just tell the world what you think
abut Disney: your preferred charachetr, artist, etc...
The url is :
www.confor.it:2222/disney/home.htm
Hope to receive as many of yu is possible!!!!
If there should be any inconvenience with the form, you can e-mail me
your votes and I'll insert them in the DB.
Ciao,
Paolo Castagno alias Luna Storta
______________________________________________________
Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com
This is just to remaind to the ones of you that still haven't voted in
the International Disney Survey that there is still time to do it (the
line end will be on 15 november), just tell the world what you think
abut Disney: your preferred charachetr, artist, etc...
The url is :
www.confor.it:2222/disney/home.htm
Hope to receive as many of yu is possible!!!!
If there should be any inconvenience with the form, you can e-mail me
your votes and I'll insert them in the DB.
Ciao,
Paolo Castagno alias Luna Storta
______________________________________________________
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Deckerd
Gladstone Comics in January
Message 357 -
1997-10-31 at 19:35:24
On Oct 31, 12:22pm, Augie De Blieck Jr. wrote:
> * "An Eye for Detail" by Don Rosa
> $6.95
>
> No word on whether Don's story is a serial or not. How long is it?
>
I've seen it in a Yurrpeen printing. It's not a serial, and it's a
complete in one issue deal. Ten pages, I think.
--Dwight Decker
> * "An Eye for Detail" by Don Rosa
> $6.95
>
> No word on whether Don's story is a serial or not. How long is it?
>
I've seen it in a Yurrpeen printing. It's not a serial, and it's a
complete in one issue deal. Ten pages, I think.
--Dwight Decker
Tarjei Kidd Olsen
Disney comics Digest V97 #238
Message 358 -
1997-10-31 at 20:42:14
PER-ERIK:
>Does anyone have Don's schedule for the visit in Norway?
>He will be in Oslo, right?
Back in digest #217 Don said he would be in Norway "Nov. 22 - 26 -- Oslo
and thereabouts".
|| <<<<Tarjei Kidd Olsen>>>> ||
||___________________________||
|| http://home.sol.no/~kidd/ ||
|| (Email removed) ||
>Does anyone have Don's schedule for the visit in Norway?
>He will be in Oslo, right?
Back in digest #217 Don said he would be in Norway "Nov. 22 - 26 -- Oslo
and thereabouts".
|| <<<<Tarjei Kidd Olsen>>>> ||
||___________________________||
|| http://home.sol.no/~kidd/ ||
|| (Email removed) ||
Shaun M. Knowler
Ducks in the Classroom
Message 359 -
1997-10-31 at 21:21:26
Since this topic has surfaced from Augie, I'll throw in a little anecdote
of my own.
When I was in Grade 12, we had to do a project in our Social Studies class
called "Current Events". There were various topics that groups of students
in the class had to cover. I volunteered my group to do Censorship, which
was not an offical topic, but my teacher let us do it anyway.
In our presentation, we talked about censorship in most of it's forms,
until I took over and explained to the class about censorship in Disney
comics. I gave them samples from "The Treasure of Marco Polo", "A Cold
Bargain", and "War of the Wendigo". Thanks to my creation and handling of
the topic, it has now become one of the official choices, and "A Cold
Bargain" is one of the required readings for the topic. My teacher was
impressed with the Cold War undertones of the story, as well as the Blum
article that accompanied it in the U$A album that I leant to her. I think
she's starting to see that light...that Duck comics aren't just juvenile
reading!
I just wish I could go back to the school and see the new Grade 12's do
the topic with the Disney comic aspects.
-Shaun
"Don't cross the streams... It would be bad."
Dr. Egon Spengler -- "Ghostbusters"
of my own.
When I was in Grade 12, we had to do a project in our Social Studies class
called "Current Events". There were various topics that groups of students
in the class had to cover. I volunteered my group to do Censorship, which
was not an offical topic, but my teacher let us do it anyway.
In our presentation, we talked about censorship in most of it's forms,
until I took over and explained to the class about censorship in Disney
comics. I gave them samples from "The Treasure of Marco Polo", "A Cold
Bargain", and "War of the Wendigo". Thanks to my creation and handling of
the topic, it has now become one of the official choices, and "A Cold
Bargain" is one of the required readings for the topic. My teacher was
impressed with the Cold War undertones of the story, as well as the Blum
article that accompanied it in the U$A album that I leant to her. I think
she's starting to see that light...that Duck comics aren't just juvenile
reading!
I just wish I could go back to the school and see the new Grade 12's do
the topic with the Disney comic aspects.
-Shaun
"Don't cross the streams... It would be bad."
Dr. Egon Spengler -- "Ghostbusters"