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Dons Markstein and Rosa, Christopher Barat and Wilmer Rivers (as well as
others on the list, earlier) have been discussing Don R's "On Stolen Time" and
similar ideas appearing in other works of fiction. So this would include a
certain Duck Tales episode (I have seen none) as well as MacDonald's "The Girl,
the Gold Watch and Everything". Muses Don R in the last digest:
<<And the whole point behind "The Girl, the Gold Watch and Everything" is
NOT that the watch stops time... it merely (?) slows it down. This enables
the watch-owner to move stuff around, rearrange reality and so forth before
he turns the watch back on. This is a MUCH better idea than the others,
which includes mine.>>
and concludes,
<<Neat, eh?>>.

We should not be surprised that there are several other works of fiction that
in some way or another use the "slowing down or stopping of time" device.
One instance worthy of mention here is Nicholson Baker's "The Fermata"
[**non-married sub-28 readers please refrain from reading this paragraph,
unless in a parentally guided situation**] which I read some years ago. It
happened to say something about "the funniest book about sex ever written" or
words to that effect on the cover, but _I_ of course chose to read it for more
respectful reasons: I liked the musical title, the cover (a pair of glasses),
and knew that Baker's other books (Vox; The Mezzanine) had achieved serious
praise. And Baker's (and his hero, 35-year old Arno Strine's) device is similar
to both that of MacDonald's and that of Rosa's Stolen Time. Through intricate
mechanisms Strine/Baker is _partly_ able to stop or slow down time for the rest
of the world, for some minutes or hours at most, during which he (for example)
indulges in the undressing (and then, with equal love and respect, re-dressing)
of a good number of women [and occasionally tends to the backlog at his work,
created by all the un- and redressing of said women].

Baker is a serious and good writer, imVho. The basic camel-to-be-swallowed for
the reader, the time-stopping mechanisms, is well drawn and accounted for, and
I thought at the time that perhaps he had been reading Rosa's story! I also
admired very much, for example, his long philosophical introduction to one of
the chapters where he accurately describes the feeling filling a human at the
start of each month, with an unused unspoiled sequence of 30 or 31
hope-generating empty dates in front of him (as well as what invariably happens
gradually through the month...). If I had planned my time well enough to be
able to give a time-planning course for my students I would have made these
particular Baker pages mandatory reading.

On stolen time, probably; Nils Lid Hjort.

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DONALD:

> society. When, say, a TV show has a cast that (to use Bill Clinton's
> expression) "looks like America" -- i.e., has one or two black
> members, one or two Asians, some Hispanics, etc. -- it is often
> denigrated as "politically correct"; whereas in reality, that show
> is a better representation of what I see around me than the former
> norm, where nobody on the air had any non-European ancestors.

that's true enough, and isn't what I consider to be an attempt at "political
correctness", that seems more like attempting to achieve equality. You could
say that about political correctitude(hmm...did I just make that word up now
or what?) too, except that here it's taken too far.

> and change "splinter" to "minority", and yes, that's a pretty
> familiar process here in America. But it was happening LONG before
> it got the sneering epithet "politically correct" attached to it.
> And why shouldn't it? Why should a company like Disney WANT to
> alienate portions of the audience it's trying to attract?

yes, but I was just using Disney stories as an example; the same goes for
f.eks movies. I don't know how the government is about censoring movies in
America, but here in Norway...well actually, more in Ireland (I lived there
for 5 years until last summer) the government often goes as far as banning
movies. Among banned movies in Ireland (at least until last year) are: Kids,
Natural Born Killers and in all probability Crash(which I haven't
seen(Crash, that is)). I don't see how those who decide that we aren't able
to cope with these movies can assume that THEY, on the other hand, can. I
have no idea why they ban these movies except maybe to please "splinter-groups".

As regards Disney not wanting to alienate the audience it's trying to
attract; if that particular audience is that important to Disney, then
surely it isn't a small splinter/minority group. I don't think most people
would bother with being so terribly offended by everything if it wasn't for
a few extremists who maybe don't like todays society, or are bitter at
something (IMHO). Maybe they just have a lot of "hang-ups"....

> As I said, surely there are excesses. But (to propose an
> excess in the other direction) Cartoon Network's decision not to put
> "Coal Black an' de Sebben Dwarfs" in the package with the rest of
> its producer's output, to turn up periodically on The Bugs'N'Daffy
> Show, isn't political correctitude. It's survival.

what IS this "Coal Black an' de Sebben Dwarfs" anyway?

> Of course, the ideal situation would be for such material to
> be available to an audience sophisticated enough not to be offended
> by it. So -- all we have to do is convince them there are enough of
> us to be worth marketing to. Difficult, but NOT impossible.

exactly

>Just
> this week, "The Chain Gang" turned up on The Disney Channel's "Ink
> and Paint Club" -- a PRIME candidate for self-censorship, inasmuch
> as it depicts Mickey Mouse in prison.

what's so bad about Mickey being in prison?

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Aren't Lady and the Tramp parents of 4 puppies: Scamp and 3
identical little "Ladies"?
And, unless the Disney cartoonists are **very** skillful, I
would bet that more than a few of the 101 Dalmatians are
identical, too. :)

Wilmer Rivers

> Tarjei Kidd Olsen <(Email removed)>
> it seems like most of the European Duck scripts are written very
> hastily, incorporating few references, or even much thought.

(Dave)
>Could you expand a bit on the above?[...] did you actually mean the
original creator's
>scripts seem hastily, thoughtlessly written because they incorporate so
>few references?

Strangely enough, the sloppiest Italian stories (certainly written in great
haste, certainly incorporating NO references... or wrong ones!) were
probably (most of) those scripted by the late Jerry Siegel... ;-)

Marco

I was doing some websurfing, and I ran into some really neat sites on
the Yukon Gold Rush. I found this anecdote particularly interesting:

Martha Louise Black :
Abandoned by her first husband en route to the Klondike in 1898, she
hiked over the Chilkoot Pass, sailed pregnant down the Yukon River in a
homemade boat to Dawson, bore her child in a log cabin, raised money,
bought a sawmill, bossed 16 men on a mining claim, married George Black
who became Yukon's Member of Parliament and upon his illness ran for,
and won, his seat. Martha Black became Yukon's first, and Canada's
second, woman Member of Parliament.

So Goldie could certainly have gotten a saloon for herself without
compromising her morals.

Katie

Hi everyone,

I think I need to make a wee retraction about a post I sent in about the
design of Ducks vs Mice a short while back. Noel Van Horn's Mickey stories
and art are gems, a case in point is D97242 'Horsefeathers'.

I loved the Fantasia/Silly Symphony inspired trees, perfect for the story,
and Mickey's expressions are brilliant. Very nice use of eyebrow ridges in
the close ups. If the foliage had had more inspired colouring it would have
had more depth and looked even better.

I do wonder though if there is a case for having Mickey's ears more maleable
to give a greater range of *expression*. The wings on Asterix's helmet are
just about alive and tell us a lot about what the character is feeling.
Mickey's ears are very dominant on his head but instead of moving about they
sort of stick out like rigid radar dishes.

I realise that Mickey's silohuette is the main identification of his
character (and even DISNEY itself) so maybe what we can see in
'Horsefeathers' is as good as we will get!

Identical characters in Barks stories:
Peeweegahs, Terries, Fermies, lemmings. :)

Wilmer Rivers

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