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In today's "Dagbladet" the H,D,L Duck brothers are very prominently (and quite
prematurely, as I understand) heralded in connection with their turning 60.
Barks and Rosa are mentioned as artists and writers, and Rosa as well as
Jan P. Krogh, daily leader of the "Comic Book Art Gallery" (which is both a
shop and a museum) in Oslo, are interviewed and quoted. Too bad the newspaper
itself quite explicitly and with much ado proclaims that H,D,L were
born/created on October 10, 1937 -- as I understand the right date is
one week later.

[I tried the recently established official http://www.donald.no address to
Norwegian Donald et al. matters, to see whether the H,D,L event was mentioned
there. It's not. The internet page people there seem to be fighting time;
there is an October calendar with "click on the dates" that do not respond
at all.]

The Barks Ducks & other creations are very much "common cultural ground" in
Norway (and throughout Scandinavia). Two weeks ago the full first page of
"Verdens Gang", the biggest-circulation newspaper, used the opening panel of
Uncle Scrooge #1 (FC 386), in full colour (suitably altered in perspective,
I think) to illustrate a story about rich people in Norway. And a couple of
days ago "Aftenposten", the second-biggest and `more serious' one, used both
Gyro and the Little Helper to illustrate main points in an editorial.

Nils Lid Hjort

DON R.:

<<So, what I did was make notations on the incorrect lines, by hand, and
signed the book a second time. This involved me handling each page FIVE
times rather than just once, all on my own "time". But I didn't know any
other way to deal with it. So, the bonus you'll get if you buy the
Gladstone hardback, is to own a copy of the world's first example (I'm
only guessing here!) of a book where *every single copy of the entire
edition is corrected, by hand, personally, by the author*!>>

Wow! This is a wonderful suprise! I was already buying the book anyway,
but now I can't wait to see and appreciate all the trouble you went
through to correct the mistakes Mr. Blum made in his intro! I'm somehow
suprised you didn't take some form of guff over this from someone.
Personally, I don't think Geoff Blum was the man for the job in the first
place. I thought he didn't like your work! He's the Barks analyst...so I
think he should stick to Barks essays.

Now I *really* can't wait for the book to arrive. I would have liked to
get the signed print, but that would have made the whole package stark
raving expensive to a fellow in my posistion.

Marco:

> You see, I've always been envious that you come to discuss Don
> Rosa's stories loooong before I can read them here in Italy... But
> on "The secret of Incas" I scooped you!

Where was that story published? I didn't find it in the database.

Harry:

> I cannot find any comic adaptation of Ferdinand the bull in our
> database. Can you be more specific?

I tried to find the story, but didn't succeed. It's not in the Becattin=
i
"Silly Symphonies" index. I remember that I saw it together with a stor=
y
titled "The sheepish lion", both carrying a "S.S." code. I noticed them=
,
as it was some of the rare stories created for a "Silly Symphony" I eve=
r
saw. The "Sheepish" story *was* in the Becattini index, so maybe there
was other "Silly symphony" issues published after 1962? Anyway, I will
let you know if I finally find the story.

Fran=E7ois

FRANCOIS wrote:

>You're right, Cavazzano's art is all but "amateurish".[...] And he indeed has
>been drawing ducks for a long time: his first work (adding ink on
>Scarpa's pencil) was done for "Paperino agente dell'F.B.I." (or maybe
>that only was his second work, I'm not sure), sometimes around 1962

That's not correct, according to my data.
The story you quote, "Donald G-man", was published in May 1961 and was inked
by Scarpa himself, while the following stories drawn by Scarpa were
supposedly inked by Cimino (who later became a well-known and prolific
scripter). The first Scarpa story inked by Cavazzano was "Paperino supplente
incaricato" (scripted by Barosso) more than a year later. He was not yet 15
years old at that time. Cavazzano however is reported to have started inking
at twelve; the artist was his cousin Capitanio, one of the worst Italian
Disney artists IMHO.

>I calculated
>that he will break Floyd Gottfredson's record (45 years - Carl Barks
>doesn't count because he didn't work during a long time) in just a few
>years now!

His first ("unofficial" at that time) story was "Paperino e il singhiozzo a
martello" published in August 1967. Fossati credited that story to Scarpa,
and I think the story was in fact committed to Scarpa, who "handed" it to
Cavazzano, helping him a lot in the work. Cavazzano was then not yet 20
years old. However it will take 15 more years to reach Gottfredson's record!

>Giorgio Cavazzano (to think that he
>will be near me at Lucca, in the reality!).
>

Er... will he? On sunday, when <I> come? Then **do not** tell him, please,
that I said his art has became a little sloppy... ;-) ;-) ;-)

[on Ferdinand the bull]:

>I don't know about this, but I would like to say that a comics
>adpatation of that cartoon was published in Silly Symphonies (and
>Alberto Becattini's Disney Index probably would give you the artist's
>name).

Ferdinand the bull is not in Becattini's list of over 750 Disney characters,
so if such a Silly Symphony does exist then it's not recorded as such in
Becattin's red book.
I have the <index>, but I haven't yet learned how to use it :-(

Marco

[who got hold of the first "Euro" coin and banknotes just in time to realize
we are after all damned not to make it...]

[but who is rejoicing for the Nobel Prize to Dario Fo. Like Fo's son
commented: so, after all, God **does** exist... and is a communist!]

Don Rosa wrote:
> So, what I did was make notations on the incorrect lines, by hand, and
> signed the book a second time. This involved me handling each page FIVE
> times rather than just once, all on my own "time". But I didn't know any
> other way to deal with it. So, the bonus you'll get if you buy the
> Gladstone hardback, is to own a copy of the world's first example (I'm only
> guessing here!) of a book where *every single copy of the entire edition is
> corrected, by hand, personally, by the author*! Hah! Let's see the
> Great Leslie top THAT!

You personally edited the introduction of all 1000 copies of the
Gladstone hardcover of your $LOS book, and signed the edits too, along
with the cover? All 1000 books? As a shameless collector, something
tells me you just added value to the whole 1000 book run. I hope you
did the edits in ink and not pencil, and that Gladstone leaves them
intact. Well done!

By the way, the signed print for Hearts of the Yukon (from Walt Disney
Giant #1) being offered with the book shows the entire width of the
art. For those of us who buy the print, we're finally going to get to
see the D.U.C.K that was covered up on the left side of the cover of
WDG1!

- "Blasted kids must think I'm a whelcher!"

Carey Furlong; Hungtington Beach, California - USA;
(Email removed); (Email removed)

MARCO wrote, about Giorgio Cavazzano:

> > His first work (adding ink on
> > Scarpa's pencil) was done for "Paperino agente dell'F.B.I."
> [...]
> The story you quote, "Donald G-man", was published in May 1961 and
> was inked by Scarpa himself, while the following stories drawn by
> Scarpa were supposedly inked by Cimino

Thanks for correcting me on that point. I made a confusion with another
story, but fortunately you are here!

> The first Scarpa story inked by Cavazzano was "Paperino supplente
> incaricato" (scripted by Barosso) more than a year later.

Where did you got that information? Is that on the Romano Scarpa (blue)
book, published in 1988? In the Topolino index printed in "If" # 66, it
is stated that Giorgio Cavazzano's first story was "Paperino e la Gloria
Nazionale" (Topolino 370), published after "Paperino supplente
incaricato" (Topolino 347, 1962). In this index, this story is credited
to Rodolfo Cimino and Romano Scarpa (not Cavazzano).

> The artist was his cousin Capitanio, one of the worst Italian Disney
> artists IMHO.

With Giancarlo Gatti? :-). The worst IMHO is the almost unknown Michele
Rubino, who did a few stories in the fifties. I saw one, involving
Scrooge and a Martian, which was incredibly ugly. For example, the
characters often have different sizes from one panel to another. But I
agree that Luciano Capitanio, Giorgio Bordini, and a few others, are the
worst Italian artists. Now, better talk about artists we appreciate...

> His first ("unofficial" at that time) story was "Paperino e il
> singhiozzo a martello" published in August 1967. Fossati credite
> that story to Scarpa, and I think the story was in fact committed to
> Scarpa, who "handed" it to Cavazzano, helping him a lot in the work.
> Cavazzano was then not yet 20 years old. However it will take 15
> more years to reach Gottfredson's record!

Right, but you can include the years when he was (only) inking Scarpa's
drawings. In that case, that makes 35 years, so it would only take 7
years to reach Floyd Gottfredson's record...

> > Giorgio Cavazzano (to think that he
> > will be near me at Lucca, in the reality!).
>
> Er... will he? On sunday, when <I> come?

On Septembre, 25th, Luca Boschi mentionned the following:

LB> Giorgio Cavazzano shall be hosted with a really big exibition
LB> (more than 400 original artworks by him) and a special catalogue

> Ferdinand the bull is not in Becattini's list of over 750 Disney
> characters, so if such a Silly Symphony does exist then it's not
> recorded as such in Becattin's red book.

I'm still looking for the story... (From now on, I will never say
anything by memory...).

> [who got hold of the first "Euro" coin and banknotes just in time to > realize we are after all damned not to make it...]

That's new to me...

Francois

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End of Disney comics Digest V97 Issue #221
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GARY:

>So, what I did was make notations on the incorrect lines, by hand, and
>signed the book a second time. This involved me handling each page FIVE
>times rather than just once, all on my own "time". But I didn't know any
>other way to deal with it. So, the bonus you'll get if you buy the
>Gladstone hardback, is to own a copy of the world's first example (I'm
>only guessing here!) of a book where *every single copy of the entire
>edition is corrected, by hand, personally, by the author*!

*argh* How can I order this book?!? I haven't received any kind of order
sheet from Gladstone.....I NEED that book ;)

|| <<<<Tarjei Kidd Olsen>>>> ||
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|| http://home.sol.no/~kidd/ ||
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First of all, I'd like to give a big hello to everyone, since this is m=
y
first contribution to this mailing list since signing up last week. I'=
m
17/F/Wisconsin. I have a humble little $crooge site at
http://www.execpc.com/~sulliva1/scrooge.html . Now down to business.

I was wondering what your thoughts were on Paperetta Y=E8-Y=E8, a.k.a.
Dickie Duck, Goldie's alleged granddaughter from Italian comics. All I
know about her is what was on the Disney Comics website. Does this mea=
n
that (at least in Italian eyes) that Goldie married somebody after
Scrooge left the Yukon? Is Paperetta/Dickie ever used in the same stor=
y
with Scrooge and Donald? If so, when and where? Does this whole idea
sort of spoil the Scrooge/Goldie unrequited love story for anyone else?

Katie S, a.k.a. "Mrs. Quackfaster"