David G:
http://www.execpc.com/~sulliva1
<< *Excellent* Scrooge web page! You had me laughing practically
until tears rolled down my cheeks! Everyone should visit your site... >>
Thanks! I'm so glad you liked it! :-)
<<Today I received very bad news, all the Gladstone titles are canceled
almost everywhere(not Canada and USA).>>
WHAT??? Okay, I live in Wisconsin, so I guess I'm safe (for now) but
that scares me! I can't live without a regular dose of Disney ducks!
Drat! (Doncha just adore alliteration? ;-)
Katie Sullivan
Author
Topic: 199710
(359 messages)
Katie Sullivan
Disney comics Digest V97 #230
Message 256 -
1997-10-23 at 01:26:46
Mikko Aittola
Rosa in Europe, Gladstone Not
Message 257 -
1997-10-23 at 01:42:12
Don Rosa wrote:
> Saturday Nov. 8, 10:30-noon -- Suomalainen Kirjakauppa (which I trust is
> the name of a Finnish book store, though it sounds to me like a South
> Pacific volcano)
HA!
To those who didn't get the joke, here's the glossary:
suomalainen == Finnish
kirja == book
kauppa == store
And, thanks for posting the info!
Per-Erik wrote:
> Today I received very bad news, all the Gladstone titles are canceled
> almost everywhere(not Canada and USA). The local comicshop owner came with
> the sad news a few hours ago. The reason for this should be a fight between
> Gladstone and Disney(no details!).
If it's true - this sucks. And I'm not sure it's even legal to
ban books like this unless they're banned by individual country
based on local law. It sounds weird that some American Idiotic
Company could ban a book in Finland for example.
/Mikko
> Saturday Nov. 8, 10:30-noon -- Suomalainen Kirjakauppa (which I trust is
> the name of a Finnish book store, though it sounds to me like a South
> Pacific volcano)
HA!
To those who didn't get the joke, here's the glossary:
suomalainen == Finnish
kirja == book
kauppa == store
And, thanks for posting the info!
Per-Erik wrote:
> Today I received very bad news, all the Gladstone titles are canceled
> almost everywhere(not Canada and USA). The local comicshop owner came with
> the sad news a few hours ago. The reason for this should be a fight between
> Gladstone and Disney(no details!).
If it's true - this sucks. And I'm not sure it's even legal to
ban books like this unless they're banned by individual country
based on local law. It sounds weird that some American Idiotic
Company could ban a book in Finland for example.
/Mikko
Søren Krarup Olesen
April! May! June! (July!)
Message 258 -
1997-10-23 at 12:35:21
Nils Lid Hjort wrote:
> Are they used more than
> once by Barks? Has Rosa touched them yet, with a ten-foot pole or a wit=
h a pen?
Tony Strobl have used them, often as a female counterpart of the JW.
I particularily remember a story, where AM&J lure the JW to do all the
hard work in the forest, and JW conclude that, though AM&J may not be
as tough as JW they are certainly just as smart.
S=F8ren
> Are they used more than
> once by Barks? Has Rosa touched them yet, with a ten-foot pole or a wit=
h a pen?
Tony Strobl have used them, often as a female counterpart of the JW.
I particularily remember a story, where AM&J lure the JW to do all the
hard work in the forest, and JW conclude that, though AM&J may not be
as tough as JW they are certainly just as smart.
S=F8ren
Søren Krarup Olesen
Disney comics Digest V97 #230
Message 259 -
1997-10-23 at 13:14:13
Claus Ola Margon H=7Fvik wrote:
> weapons an all the other ducks in various parts. One of the stories was
> a version of "les Miserables" (I know that didn't take part in Italy,
> but it is a play). I don't remember their names, but I think they were
> published in "Donald Pocket" somewhere around 89-92 (but I could be
> wrong). Does anyone know what I'm talking about and by whom they were
> written/drawn. Was it more then one guy.
>
> Claus O. M. H=E5vik
A version of les Miserables could only be Carpi's I-1743-A.
It was published in Denmark in Jumbobog nr. 105.
Check the comics lib for more details on Carpi - he has made
plenty of parodies.
S=F8ren
> weapons an all the other ducks in various parts. One of the stories was
> a version of "les Miserables" (I know that didn't take part in Italy,
> but it is a play). I don't remember their names, but I think they were
> published in "Donald Pocket" somewhere around 89-92 (but I could be
> wrong). Does anyone know what I'm talking about and by whom they were
> written/drawn. Was it more then one guy.
>
> Claus O. M. H=E5vik
A version of les Miserables could only be Carpi's I-1743-A.
It was published in Denmark in Jumbobog nr. 105.
Check the comics lib for more details on Carpi - he has made
plenty of parodies.
S=F8ren
Ole R. Nielsen
Gladstone folds, Rubel Robber
Message 260 -
1997-10-23 at 13:34:22
On the subject of unavailable Gladstones in Europe I can add that my
favorite shop keeper greeted me after my vacation with the question
if I knew that Gladstone had stopped distributing to the foreign market!
Beeing a good week-and-a-half behind on the digests I didn't know what
to think, but quickly booted up the computer in the back room to look
for clues in the digests I had just put on floppy to enjoy in the peace
and quiet of my home. Sure enough there was some rumors of the German
customs putting the boot in for some reason, but whereas Germany does
have a certain degree of censorship - you could say they've been PC
for years before that got out of hand - this is not the case in Denmark.
Actually there's a lot of problems with _very_ un-PC material being
printed, published and distributed from Denmark; just the other day
a music publisher was hit on by the police for producing ultra-right-
wing rock CDs.
Most puzzling was the fact that when the shop owner called Diamond,
they said, or maybe I got it all wrong, that Gladstone had closed.
I'm sure the Gladstone guys on this list would have let a word fall
if that was the case, and I suspect that they have been a little to
busy with the Lo$ project or whatever and maybe just, eh, forgot to
ship...?
Any information to what is going on is appreciated; this shop has a
lot of Disney customers (and serves coffee for the regulars).
If all this is true, maybe we should all start buying our Disneys
in... Russia! I just got the two latest (monthly) issues from Egmont
Rossija, and they are quite nice with a mix of very early Barks
ten-pagers, modern Egmont stories and a one-pager in English with
glossary; Halloween is "kanun dnja vsech svjatych", i.e. "All Hallows
Eve" I think.
Curiously enough there's no price, not even on the subscription
slip, but they cost 5000 rubles. That's less than a US dollar.
Bosje moj!
Ole Reichstein Nielsen <ornils AT deepthought DOT aabc DOT dk>
favorite shop keeper greeted me after my vacation with the question
if I knew that Gladstone had stopped distributing to the foreign market!
Beeing a good week-and-a-half behind on the digests I didn't know what
to think, but quickly booted up the computer in the back room to look
for clues in the digests I had just put on floppy to enjoy in the peace
and quiet of my home. Sure enough there was some rumors of the German
customs putting the boot in for some reason, but whereas Germany does
have a certain degree of censorship - you could say they've been PC
for years before that got out of hand - this is not the case in Denmark.
Actually there's a lot of problems with _very_ un-PC material being
printed, published and distributed from Denmark; just the other day
a music publisher was hit on by the police for producing ultra-right-
wing rock CDs.
Most puzzling was the fact that when the shop owner called Diamond,
they said, or maybe I got it all wrong, that Gladstone had closed.
I'm sure the Gladstone guys on this list would have let a word fall
if that was the case, and I suspect that they have been a little to
busy with the Lo$ project or whatever and maybe just, eh, forgot to
ship...?
Any information to what is going on is appreciated; this shop has a
lot of Disney customers (and serves coffee for the regulars).
If all this is true, maybe we should all start buying our Disneys
in... Russia! I just got the two latest (monthly) issues from Egmont
Rossija, and they are quite nice with a mix of very early Barks
ten-pagers, modern Egmont stories and a one-pager in English with
glossary; Halloween is "kanun dnja vsech svjatych", i.e. "All Hallows
Eve" I think.
Curiously enough there's no price, not even on the subscription
slip, but they cost 5000 rubles. That's less than a US dollar.
Bosje moj!
Ole Reichstein Nielsen <ornils AT deepthought DOT aabc DOT dk>
Harald
US-Disney-comics banned in Europe?
Message 261 -
1997-10-23 at 16:11:47
Hi folks,
Some of you might remember me as an active participant in this group one year ago... Well, since then I collected all digests, but hardly ever opened one or - god forbid! - read it.
Time problems, as you can guess. Not a sudden lack in interest in this ML or Disney...
(I always planned on rejoining after having read all old messages, but, well, you know...)
Now to matters at hand:
As my local comics-book dealer told me the decision now is final to stop all shippings of Disney-comics to Europe.
Some European license holder complained that the selling of (amongst others) Barks Library and Gladstone books was an infringement on his rights to sell Disney-comics exclusively in this area. And someone (at Disney's) seems to have agreed.
This means (as far as I understand it):
- no more US-Disney-comics, Barks, Rosa or other in European comic-shops
- no more subscriptions of books via US-dealers, and possibly
- no more subscriptions via Gladstone.
-
Even the sending via friends would (technically) be illegal.
This ban already exists for Disney consumer products (T-shirts...) and video-cassettes but now includes comic-books as well.
My personal opinion about this _catastrophe_ is that
a) comics/books to me are not the same as T-shirts: collecting US-Disneys doesn't prevent me from buying local issues
b) this doesn't _help_ the market and sales of Disney-comics AT ALL, if anything it _hinders_ sales, as collectors might lose interest in Disney-comics in general, if they are not allowed to compare their local Braks-edtition to the original!
So. ending this post, some questions:
1. Is this true? Egmont, Gladstone, anybody?
2. Is it true about subscriptions too? Gladstone?
3. If the answer to 1 and 2 is "Yes", what are we going to do?
I'm for one am prepared to girdle my loins, as Herriman once put it...
And sorry, if this news isn't new, and has been discussed over and over already...
Bye for now.
Harald
Some of you might remember me as an active participant in this group one year ago... Well, since then I collected all digests, but hardly ever opened one or - god forbid! - read it.
Time problems, as you can guess. Not a sudden lack in interest in this ML or Disney...
(I always planned on rejoining after having read all old messages, but, well, you know...)
Now to matters at hand:
As my local comics-book dealer told me the decision now is final to stop all shippings of Disney-comics to Europe.
Some European license holder complained that the selling of (amongst others) Barks Library and Gladstone books was an infringement on his rights to sell Disney-comics exclusively in this area. And someone (at Disney's) seems to have agreed.
This means (as far as I understand it):
- no more US-Disney-comics, Barks, Rosa or other in European comic-shops
- no more subscriptions of books via US-dealers, and possibly
- no more subscriptions via Gladstone.
-
Even the sending via friends would (technically) be illegal.
This ban already exists for Disney consumer products (T-shirts...) and video-cassettes but now includes comic-books as well.
My personal opinion about this _catastrophe_ is that
a) comics/books to me are not the same as T-shirts: collecting US-Disneys doesn't prevent me from buying local issues
b) this doesn't _help_ the market and sales of Disney-comics AT ALL, if anything it _hinders_ sales, as collectors might lose interest in Disney-comics in general, if they are not allowed to compare their local Braks-edtition to the original!
So. ending this post, some questions:
1. Is this true? Egmont, Gladstone, anybody?
2. Is it true about subscriptions too? Gladstone?
3. If the answer to 1 and 2 is "Yes", what are we going to do?
I'm for one am prepared to girdle my loins, as Herriman once put it...
And sorry, if this news isn't new, and has been discussed over and over already...
Bye for now.
Harald
Pekka Frobozz
US-Disney-comics banned in Europe?
Message 262 -
1997-10-23 at 18:18:09
#define LURKING_MODE OFF
According to my comics dealer Diamond has stopped from sending Gladstone
comics to European comic shops. Does anyone have any idea how badly this
will affect Gladstone?
//Pekka Timonen ((Email removed))
#define LURKING_MODE ON
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End of Disney comics Digest V97 Issue #231
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According to my comics dealer Diamond has stopped from sending Gladstone
comics to European comic shops. Does anyone have any idea how badly this
will affect Gladstone?
//Pekka Timonen ((Email removed))
#define LURKING_MODE ON
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RHODE
Scrooge in American memory and weird places
Message 263 -
1997-10-23 at 18:45:41
From the August 21, 1997 Rolling Stone article on laundering drug money
"Hot Crime,"
'For the Columbian traffickers, according to [Special Agent Greg] Passic,
there is another, equally important need being filled by the bulk shipment
of cash. "There's a little bit of Scrooge McDuck in 'em," he says. The
reference, of course, is to the Disney character, the antic, miserly
moneybags who enjoys nothing more than swimming, literally, in his loot and
for which purpose his cherished "money bin" is appropriately outfitted with
a diving board.' p. 88.
The article also explains how smurfing has become a term for smuggling
cash. Yes, the comics can explain the real world. ;^)
Mike Rhode
"Hot Crime,"
'For the Columbian traffickers, according to [Special Agent Greg] Passic,
there is another, equally important need being filled by the bulk shipment
of cash. "There's a little bit of Scrooge McDuck in 'em," he says. The
reference, of course, is to the Disney character, the antic, miserly
moneybags who enjoys nothing more than swimming, literally, in his loot and
for which purpose his cherished "money bin" is appropriately outfitted with
a diving board.' p. 88.
The article also explains how smurfing has become a term for smuggling
cash. Yes, the comics can explain the real world. ;^)
Mike Rhode
Deckerd
US-Disney-comics banned in Europe?
Message 264 -
1997-10-23 at 18:46:15
On Oct 23, 6:18pm, Pekka "Frobozz" Timonen wrote:
> According to my comics dealer Diamond has stopped from sending Gladstone
> comics to European comic shops. Does anyone have any idea how badly this
> will affect Gladstone?
I'm waiting for a message from "bhc" to turn up on this ML that
will explain the Real True Facts of this affair. To judge from
what I've seen in European bookstores, though, which often have
English-language Gladstone Disney albums for sale right next to
the local product, this could be serious. In the US, I only see
Gladstone albums in the larger comics shops. Not in regular
bookstores, not in my small neighborhood shop where I have to
special-order the albums. My guess is that European distribution
is a significant fraction of sales for the albums. How this affects
the regular comic books, I don't know.
Question. Outside of the hard-core dedicated fan contingent, are
there enough people in Europe who read English well enough to
buy US imports that sales of local translated editions would be at
affected? Of course, this is legal stuff, not common sense. "I paid
for the license to sell Disney in this area, so nobody else is going
to sell Disney in this area, even if it doesn't affect my business
one bit!"
--Dwight Decker
> According to my comics dealer Diamond has stopped from sending Gladstone
> comics to European comic shops. Does anyone have any idea how badly this
> will affect Gladstone?
I'm waiting for a message from "bhc" to turn up on this ML that
will explain the Real True Facts of this affair. To judge from
what I've seen in European bookstores, though, which often have
English-language Gladstone Disney albums for sale right next to
the local product, this could be serious. In the US, I only see
Gladstone albums in the larger comics shops. Not in regular
bookstores, not in my small neighborhood shop where I have to
special-order the albums. My guess is that European distribution
is a significant fraction of sales for the albums. How this affects
the regular comic books, I don't know.
Question. Outside of the hard-core dedicated fan contingent, are
there enough people in Europe who read English well enough to
buy US imports that sales of local translated editions would be at
affected? Of course, this is legal stuff, not common sense. "I paid
for the license to sell Disney in this area, so nobody else is going
to sell Disney in this area, even if it doesn't affect my business
one bit!"
--Dwight Decker
Arthur De Wolf
US-Disney-comics banned in Europe?
Message 265 -
1997-10-23 at 19:55:02
Hi!
About the Gladstone Disney comics being banned in Europe,
I just called my local comicshop here, in the Netherlands, and they say
that there is nothing to worry about. They say that I will just keep getting
all the American Disney comics! Phew! :o)
I do hope that this is also the case with all the other
European comic-shops, so that noone has to worry about anything.
Bye!
Arthur de Wolf
Disney Comics Worldwide: http://www.pi.net/~wolfman
About the Gladstone Disney comics being banned in Europe,
I just called my local comicshop here, in the Netherlands, and they say
that there is nothing to worry about. They say that I will just keep getting
all the American Disney comics! Phew! :o)
I do hope that this is also the case with all the other
European comic-shops, so that noone has to worry about anything.
Bye!
Arthur de Wolf
Disney Comics Worldwide: http://www.pi.net/~wolfman
Shaun M. Knowler
Disney comics Digest V97 #231
Message 266 -
1997-10-23 at 20:28:41
GARY:
<< Well, I think I know what you're asking...though my answer probably
won't come out right, 'cause I'm not really sure I understand the whole
$#%&*#! ordering business on this book myself! (Reassuring, eh?) This much
is certain: the volumes ordered as a result of our direct market
solicitation for October shipping will be shipped in October.>>
It came out right enough to be great news! This means the book should
arrive next week with the U$A albums and WDC&S, right? Or do you just mean
it's shipping in October and may arrive in early November?
I know, I've been pestering people about this book for a while now, but
it's a dream come true for me and anticipation often gets the best of me.
-Shaun
"Ray, if someone asks you if you're a god, you say YES!"
Winston Zeddemore -- "Ghostbusters"
<< Well, I think I know what you're asking...though my answer probably
won't come out right, 'cause I'm not really sure I understand the whole
$#%&*#! ordering business on this book myself! (Reassuring, eh?) This much
is certain: the volumes ordered as a result of our direct market
solicitation for October shipping will be shipped in October.>>
It came out right enough to be great news! This means the book should
arrive next week with the U$A albums and WDC&S, right? Or do you just mean
it's shipping in October and may arrive in early November?
I know, I've been pestering people about this book for a while now, but
it's a dream come true for me and anticipation often gets the best of me.
-Shaun
"Ray, if someone asks you if you're a god, you say YES!"
Winston Zeddemore -- "Ghostbusters"
Prow Puttorngul '00
Disney comics Digest V97 #231
Message 267 -
1997-10-23 at 21:49:54
unsubscribe
SRoweCanoe
Disney comics Digest V97 #230
Message 268 -
1997-10-24 at 00:54:43
David G. wrote:
<<Does anyone have an easy way of getting me a copy of Alberto
Becattini's recent book on Disney comics? I'd certainly like to at least
have one I can look at, even if it's not in a language I can read. I'd
order one directly, but I'm unsure of the address to mail my check to
and how much the check should be (or be equivalent to). Help, anyone?>>
Which particular book of Becattini? He's done alot.
Steven Rowe
<<Does anyone have an easy way of getting me a copy of Alberto
Becattini's recent book on Disney comics? I'd certainly like to at least
have one I can look at, even if it's not in a language I can read. I'd
order one directly, but I'm unsure of the address to mail my check to
and how much the check should be (or be equivalent to). Help, anyone?>>
Which particular book of Becattini? He's done alot.
Steven Rowe
Mike Schneiderath
One more on the Gladstone problem!
Message 269 -
1997-10-24 at 01:20:00
Just when I thought it was a good month with all the Lo$ special releases,
HD&L anniversary story and Don Rosa coming to germany....
>As my local comics-book dealer told me the decision now is final to stop =
>all shippings of Disney-comics to Europe.
I have also heard that "they" (the man in black..the customs..whoever?)
have actually visited a comic shop in Munich and confiscated ALL Gladstone
titles they had.
>Some European license holder complained that the selling of (amongst =
>others) Barks Library and Gladstone books was an infringement on his =
>rights to sell Disney-comics exclusively in this area. And someone (at =
>Disney's) seems to have agreed.
Hmm "some European License Holder"....how many countries do actually have
their own translation of the Barks Library.
I know that there is a german translated version of the Barks Library.
And they would certainly benefit from Gladstone Albums beeing banned...
Has anyone an idea who is responsible for that mess...?
Mike
HD&L anniversary story and Don Rosa coming to germany....
>As my local comics-book dealer told me the decision now is final to stop =
>all shippings of Disney-comics to Europe.
I have also heard that "they" (the man in black..the customs..whoever?)
have actually visited a comic shop in Munich and confiscated ALL Gladstone
titles they had.
>Some European license holder complained that the selling of (amongst =
>others) Barks Library and Gladstone books was an infringement on his =
>rights to sell Disney-comics exclusively in this area. And someone (at =
>Disney's) seems to have agreed.
Hmm "some European License Holder"....how many countries do actually have
their own translation of the Barks Library.
I know that there is a german translated version of the Barks Library.
And they would certainly benefit from Gladstone Albums beeing banned...
Has anyone an idea who is responsible for that mess...?
Mike
Cebarat
Disney comics Digest V97 #231
Message 270 -
1997-10-24 at 01:41:42
NILS HJORT rhapsodized:
<<Various people have been feverishly contributing Disney and non-Disney
look-alikes instances a la our favourites H,L,D Duck. But in this Male
Chauvinist world nobody has yet mentioned the somewhat underexposed, or
artistically underdeveloped, April, May, June.>>
You hit on exactly the reason why AM&J have been generally overlooked -- they
are such "underdeveloped" (or, I would put it, nondescript) characters that
they tend to fade into the Duckburg background. I know that a lot of Duck
fans hated (hate?) DUCKTALES' Webbigail Vanderquack, but the fact is that she
had more "spunk" in her little finger than AM&J were ever allowed to display
in their triplicated bodies.
I always thought that Disney comics missed a trick by not permitting a "kids'
romance" between HD&L and AM&J to become a light running theme. In the
nieces' first appearance, in the "Flipism" story, the paired-off kids went
off to the movies with Donald and Daisy, and the nephews, at least, seemed
quite pleased with the arrangement. Why didn't this theme continue? I don't
recall seeing much of it in later stories by Barks or anyone else. Perhaps
the editors wanted to avoid the headache of remembering which nephew was
paired off with which niece. The lack of a "romance" theme is all the more
painfully felt when one watches an episode of "Quack Pack" and sees the
"hip," teenaged HD&L drooling over human girls.
The news that
>...all the Gladstone titles are canceled
>almost everywhere(not Canada and USA). The local comicshop owner came with
>the sad news a few hours ago. The reason for this should be a fight between
>Gladstone and Disney(no details!).
is distressing, but since I can't recall how much of Gladstone's revenue is
tied to the European market, I can only guess as to how it will affect
Gladstone's overall position. I am sure that a LOT of Europeans are upset,
as I would be if I lived over there. I hope that European comics do not
disappear from the shelves of specialty book and magazine stores in this
country!
-- Christopher E. Barat
(Email removed)
http://members.aol.com/cebarat/home.htm
"YOU'VE MUSHED OUTTA CONTROL!" -- Nephew to lovestruck Scrooge, "DuckTales"
episode "Till Nephews Do Us Part"
<<Various people have been feverishly contributing Disney and non-Disney
look-alikes instances a la our favourites H,L,D Duck. But in this Male
Chauvinist world nobody has yet mentioned the somewhat underexposed, or
artistically underdeveloped, April, May, June.>>
You hit on exactly the reason why AM&J have been generally overlooked -- they
are such "underdeveloped" (or, I would put it, nondescript) characters that
they tend to fade into the Duckburg background. I know that a lot of Duck
fans hated (hate?) DUCKTALES' Webbigail Vanderquack, but the fact is that she
had more "spunk" in her little finger than AM&J were ever allowed to display
in their triplicated bodies.
I always thought that Disney comics missed a trick by not permitting a "kids'
romance" between HD&L and AM&J to become a light running theme. In the
nieces' first appearance, in the "Flipism" story, the paired-off kids went
off to the movies with Donald and Daisy, and the nephews, at least, seemed
quite pleased with the arrangement. Why didn't this theme continue? I don't
recall seeing much of it in later stories by Barks or anyone else. Perhaps
the editors wanted to avoid the headache of remembering which nephew was
paired off with which niece. The lack of a "romance" theme is all the more
painfully felt when one watches an episode of "Quack Pack" and sees the
"hip," teenaged HD&L drooling over human girls.
The news that
>...all the Gladstone titles are canceled
>almost everywhere(not Canada and USA). The local comicshop owner came with
>the sad news a few hours ago. The reason for this should be a fight between
>Gladstone and Disney(no details!).
is distressing, but since I can't recall how much of Gladstone's revenue is
tied to the European market, I can only guess as to how it will affect
Gladstone's overall position. I am sure that a LOT of Europeans are upset,
as I would be if I lived over there. I hope that European comics do not
disappear from the shelves of specialty book and magazine stores in this
country!
-- Christopher E. Barat
(Email removed)
http://members.aol.com/cebarat/home.htm
"YOU'VE MUSHED OUTTA CONTROL!" -- Nephew to lovestruck Scrooge, "DuckTales"
episode "Till Nephews Do Us Part"