GARY (about Cavazzano's story in WDG#5):
>I might have said it's Cavazzano's *art style* we like...
Well, now it's clearer, but still I have to say that it's
yet not clear to me how is it possible to split the art and
the writing of a story...
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ABOUT DAILY DONALD:
Last saturday, on 11-oct-97 number of Disney MEGAzine
(from La Repubblica) there was a Donald Duck daily strip
dated 9-nov-40 where Donald covers Daisy eyes and makes her
try to guess who he is... Daisy starts telling names such
as Floyd, Bob, Hank, Ted, Dick, etc... Am I wrong or those
names are all from the guys working in the Disney Comics
Department?
Ciao
Paolo Castagno alias Luna Storta
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Daily Donald
Message 196 -
1997-10-19 at 15:21:36
Kristian Thougaard Pedersen
Rosa's HD&L anniversary story
Message 197 -
1997-10-19 at 16:50:39
****************** S P O I L E R **************************
(Well, a *minor* spoiler...)
I too would like to know the English title of Don Rosa's new
Huey, Dewey & Louie anniversary story. But even more I would
like to know the origninal name of the medal awarded to Karp
and Taliaferro - my favourite gag in a great story (although
for sheer silliness, the price goes to the fruitbat gag!)
By the way, are they actually called Karp and Taliaferro in
the original version? The Danish version has them named after
the original translator and, I believe, editor of 'Anders And
& Co', Rindom and Daa respectively. Nice gesture, but rather
inappropriate, I think, since Sonja Rindom is definitely a
woman...
A question for DON:
The guy leaving the comics shop on page 11 looks suspiciously
like a caricature. Is it one, or is it your vision of the
archtypical comics fan? :)
Kristian
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End of Disney comics Digest V97 Issue #227
******************************************
(Well, a *minor* spoiler...)
I too would like to know the English title of Don Rosa's new
Huey, Dewey & Louie anniversary story. But even more I would
like to know the origninal name of the medal awarded to Karp
and Taliaferro - my favourite gag in a great story (although
for sheer silliness, the price goes to the fruitbat gag!)
By the way, are they actually called Karp and Taliaferro in
the original version? The Danish version has them named after
the original translator and, I believe, editor of 'Anders And
& Co', Rindom and Daa respectively. Nice gesture, but rather
inappropriate, I think, since Sonja Rindom is definitely a
woman...
A question for DON:
The guy leaving the comics shop on page 11 looks suspiciously
like a caricature. Is it one, or is it your vision of the
archtypical comics fan? :)
Kristian
--------------------------------
End of Disney comics Digest V97 Issue #227
******************************************
Don Rosa
Disney comics Digest V97 #227
Message 198 -
1997-10-19 at 18:23:31
DON M. (and others):
There's a big (?) difference between MacDonald's "The Girl, the Gold Watch
and Everything". I had seen that great TV movie some years earlier so I
knew there was such a story that seemed to duplicate my old childhood idea
even more closely than did the "Twilight Zone" episode that, heck, might
have been what put the original thought in my head -- that woulda been in
the late 50s, too long ago for me to recall.
So I read MacDonald's story to make sure I wouldn't accidentally duplicate
it. And the whole point behind "The Girl, the Gold Watch and Everything" is
NOT that the watch stops time... it merely (?) slows it down. This enables
the watch-owner to move stuff around, rearrange reality and so forth before
he turns the watch back on. This is a MUCH better idea than the others,
which includes mine. In MacDonald's idea, the watch-user is able to move
stuff through the air in slow-time, but it's like moving through thick
molasses and he must not go too "fast" or the air-friction will burn him or
other objects. Neat, eh? In the idea of STOPPING time, it should be
impossible for the watch-user to move or even breathe since the air around
him would have been frozen also.... he wouldn't even be able to turn the
watch back on. As I've always written, I wish I could reword my story to
say that the watch "froze motion" in Duckburg, rather than "stopping time"
throughout the universe. I mean, that's as silly as something you'd see in
a super-hero comic.
MIKE S.:
Whoa. Before you accuse Ehapa of stealing from me or Dan Shane, lemmee
explain how the Disney system works. Ehapa did not need my permission to
use that image on their card because Gladstone had already used it as the
cover for WDGIANT #1. Therefore it was Disney property (sigh) and free to
any Disney publisher anywhere in the world to use or alter in any way they
wished.
Now as to the text on the card, Ehapa did not get my/our permission to use
that from Dan Shane's website; however, Egmont got permission to use it in
their hardback "Lo$" collection, and even though Ehapa was not part of that
venture, the Disney system doesn't limit how one publisher can use what
another publisher has commissioned, even if the original purpose might be
changed. So, Ehapa did not get direct permission, but the fact that Egmont
had permission for other purposes was all Ehapa needed. That's how it
works.
KRISTIAN:
> I too would like to know the English title of Don Rosa's new
> Huey, Dewey & Louie anniversary story. But even more I would
> like to know the origninal name of the medal awarded to Karp
> and Taliaferro -
You saw my answer to your first question. The award that I have them giving
to Karp and Taliaferro is "W.H.A.T.F.O.R.A.N.Y.W.A.Y." -- this doesn't
reflect on Karp and Taliaferro in the story (since only readers in-the-know
would recognize that reference anyway) -- but it's simply a set-up for DD
who is in the audience and who says "Hah! That's what I wonder about ALL
those silly Woodchuck awards!"... and there's another related gag later in
the story. The initials of the award refer to the fact that the two elder
Woodchucks that Karp and Taliaferro's looks and names are filling in for
were the original two JWs 1901 and are being so honored. But don't make me
try to remember exactly what the phrase was right now.
> By the way, are they actually called Karp and Taliaferro in
> the original version? The Danish version has them named after
> the original translator and, I believe, editor of 'Anders And
> & Co', Rindom and Daa respectively.
You're kidding me?!?!? Now that IS criminal mistranslation!!! That story
was not to honor a translator or an editor!!!! It was to honor actual
creators!!!!! That's really irritating! Byron finally gets permission to
show the names of the writers and artists of the comics in the pages where
the translators and editors have always gotten full credit... and somebody
removes the tribute to the original creators of the characters to insert
the names of people who simply rework the material for publication. I'm
afraid that I am mad at somebody over that one. That is not a polite way to
reshape my intentions without my knowledge. I don't care WHAT rights I lose
in this Disney system, that plain sux. Excuse me.
> The guy leaving the comics shop on page 11 looks suspiciously
> like a caricature. Is it one, or is it your vision of the
> archtypical comics fan? :)
You mean the guy leaving the comic PUBLISHER (not a shop -- did they change
that, too?) carrying a copy of CHERRY POPTART? Byron... did you see that in
that story? Why didn't you tell me to remove that? Who is that supposed to
be, anyhow????
There's a big (?) difference between MacDonald's "The Girl, the Gold Watch
and Everything". I had seen that great TV movie some years earlier so I
knew there was such a story that seemed to duplicate my old childhood idea
even more closely than did the "Twilight Zone" episode that, heck, might
have been what put the original thought in my head -- that woulda been in
the late 50s, too long ago for me to recall.
So I read MacDonald's story to make sure I wouldn't accidentally duplicate
it. And the whole point behind "The Girl, the Gold Watch and Everything" is
NOT that the watch stops time... it merely (?) slows it down. This enables
the watch-owner to move stuff around, rearrange reality and so forth before
he turns the watch back on. This is a MUCH better idea than the others,
which includes mine. In MacDonald's idea, the watch-user is able to move
stuff through the air in slow-time, but it's like moving through thick
molasses and he must not go too "fast" or the air-friction will burn him or
other objects. Neat, eh? In the idea of STOPPING time, it should be
impossible for the watch-user to move or even breathe since the air around
him would have been frozen also.... he wouldn't even be able to turn the
watch back on. As I've always written, I wish I could reword my story to
say that the watch "froze motion" in Duckburg, rather than "stopping time"
throughout the universe. I mean, that's as silly as something you'd see in
a super-hero comic.
MIKE S.:
Whoa. Before you accuse Ehapa of stealing from me or Dan Shane, lemmee
explain how the Disney system works. Ehapa did not need my permission to
use that image on their card because Gladstone had already used it as the
cover for WDGIANT #1. Therefore it was Disney property (sigh) and free to
any Disney publisher anywhere in the world to use or alter in any way they
wished.
Now as to the text on the card, Ehapa did not get my/our permission to use
that from Dan Shane's website; however, Egmont got permission to use it in
their hardback "Lo$" collection, and even though Ehapa was not part of that
venture, the Disney system doesn't limit how one publisher can use what
another publisher has commissioned, even if the original purpose might be
changed. So, Ehapa did not get direct permission, but the fact that Egmont
had permission for other purposes was all Ehapa needed. That's how it
works.
KRISTIAN:
> I too would like to know the English title of Don Rosa's new
> Huey, Dewey & Louie anniversary story. But even more I would
> like to know the origninal name of the medal awarded to Karp
> and Taliaferro -
You saw my answer to your first question. The award that I have them giving
to Karp and Taliaferro is "W.H.A.T.F.O.R.A.N.Y.W.A.Y." -- this doesn't
reflect on Karp and Taliaferro in the story (since only readers in-the-know
would recognize that reference anyway) -- but it's simply a set-up for DD
who is in the audience and who says "Hah! That's what I wonder about ALL
those silly Woodchuck awards!"... and there's another related gag later in
the story. The initials of the award refer to the fact that the two elder
Woodchucks that Karp and Taliaferro's looks and names are filling in for
were the original two JWs 1901 and are being so honored. But don't make me
try to remember exactly what the phrase was right now.
> By the way, are they actually called Karp and Taliaferro in
> the original version? The Danish version has them named after
> the original translator and, I believe, editor of 'Anders And
> & Co', Rindom and Daa respectively.
You're kidding me?!?!? Now that IS criminal mistranslation!!! That story
was not to honor a translator or an editor!!!! It was to honor actual
creators!!!!! That's really irritating! Byron finally gets permission to
show the names of the writers and artists of the comics in the pages where
the translators and editors have always gotten full credit... and somebody
removes the tribute to the original creators of the characters to insert
the names of people who simply rework the material for publication. I'm
afraid that I am mad at somebody over that one. That is not a polite way to
reshape my intentions without my knowledge. I don't care WHAT rights I lose
in this Disney system, that plain sux. Excuse me.
> The guy leaving the comics shop on page 11 looks suspiciously
> like a caricature. Is it one, or is it your vision of the
> archtypical comics fan? :)
You mean the guy leaving the comic PUBLISHER (not a shop -- did they change
that, too?) carrying a copy of CHERRY POPTART? Byron... did you see that in
that story? Why didn't you tell me to remove that? Who is that supposed to
be, anyhow????
Mikko Aittola
Disney comics Digest V97 #226
Message 199 -
1997-10-19 at 22:35:20
David wrote:
> notice my new e-mail address: (Email removed) This is the
> address I'll be using for Disney comics e-mail stuff from now on,
> now that I'm living in Copenhagen.
Welcome to Europe, David! You'll love the amount of taxes
you have to pay here... :)
> I think the German government is making a mistake, because while
> Gladstone comics certainly can't be sold on the INDIRECT market
> (newsstands, grocery stores) outside of the USA,
Actually, I've seen Gladstone comics here in regular newstands.
They're also available for subscription through Finnish
distributor.
The situation in Germany is sick. I'm quite sure that English
novels (like Stephen King's novels for example) are sold in
bookstores in original language there, so there can't be any
sensible reason to not allow comic-books as well.
Even wrote about Don's new Woodchuck story:
> Great storyline, great major gags (like the one with Grandma),
> great minor gags (follow the dog!), surprising plot twists
> (well, they surprised me and I am an old timer!),
> a truly Heroic Deed by Donald - it has everything.
It was a REALLY good story. There isn't much more you
can say about it.
/Mikko
> notice my new e-mail address: (Email removed) This is the
> address I'll be using for Disney comics e-mail stuff from now on,
> now that I'm living in Copenhagen.
Welcome to Europe, David! You'll love the amount of taxes
you have to pay here... :)
> I think the German government is making a mistake, because while
> Gladstone comics certainly can't be sold on the INDIRECT market
> (newsstands, grocery stores) outside of the USA,
Actually, I've seen Gladstone comics here in regular newstands.
They're also available for subscription through Finnish
distributor.
The situation in Germany is sick. I'm quite sure that English
novels (like Stephen King's novels for example) are sold in
bookstores in original language there, so there can't be any
sensible reason to not allow comic-books as well.
Even wrote about Don's new Woodchuck story:
> Great storyline, great major gags (like the one with Grandma),
> great minor gags (follow the dog!), surprising plot twists
> (well, they surprised me and I am an old timer!),
> a truly Heroic Deed by Donald - it has everything.
It was a REALLY good story. There isn't much more you
can say about it.
/Mikko
Luna Storta
Disney Survey
Message 200 -
1997-10-19 at 22:56:55
Hello again,
This is the little weekly remind about the Disney Survey.
The survey is going on pretty well now: a total of 17 voters has been
reached at the moment, but there are still a lot of people whose opinion
would be very appreciated! The address where you can go if you want to
express your preferences is:
http://www.confor.it:2222/disney/home.htm
you can insert as many answers you want, and if you'll find some
troubles in voting, or if you have any ideas on how to improve the
survey, you can e-mail me at:
(Email removed)
Just remember that there is time up to the 14th of november,
Ciao
Paolo Castagno
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This is the little weekly remind about the Disney Survey.
The survey is going on pretty well now: a total of 17 voters has been
reached at the moment, but there are still a lot of people whose opinion
would be very appreciated! The address where you can go if you want to
express your preferences is:
http://www.confor.it:2222/disney/home.htm
you can insert as many answers you want, and if you'll find some
troubles in voting, or if you have any ideas on how to improve the
survey, you can e-mail me at:
(Email removed)
Just remember that there is time up to the 14th of november,
Ciao
Paolo Castagno
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Marco Barlotti
Stes of identical members... and "translations"...
Message 201 -
1997-10-20 at 02:04:54
DON M.:
> You know, recently, I was trying to think of sets of
> identical characters -- those who are precisely the same, one to the
> next (with the exception of very superficial identifiers like
> numbers or cap colors) -- and aside from the Beagles and the
> Nephews, all I could come up with were the Twins from the
> GORMENGHAST books. Maybe my brain is defective, because I'm SURE
> there must be more than just three sets, two of which are associated
> with Donald Duck.
This is a nice contest. I wish others would join giving examples. If we
accept identical twins, I think Mortie and Ferdie would do. But maybe for
sets of two elements it's too easy (maybe).
A set of three: April, May and June, of course.
A set of 98: 98 out of 101 Dalmatians (taken out the two grown-ups and the
little fat one).
Mmmmh, these are all Disney examples, however...!
DON M. again:
> I just look at the artwork, figure out a story that fits, and write
> a script for it in meter and rhyme. What the heck, it works.
I beg your pardon, and do you call that a "translation" ???
I am shivering at the thought. Well, of course, maybe it does work. Maybe
for a Bucky Bug story it can be done (I don't remember ever seeing great
plots in those). Probably for most S-coded stories it could work. But if you
have a **good good** story, you must do a **real** translation!
We have always been saying in this ML that credit should be given to the
authors. What would YOU say if somebody should "translate" a story of YOURS
this way?
My, my, I'm starting to realize what a great person Lidia Cannatella really
is! ;-) She may not have a great knowledge of English, she may be a little
sloppy and hasty with her translations some times, but I am certain she
would NEVER think of re-scripting Don (R)'s stories!
Well, you might say, after all we are discussing the translations of Duck
stories, not of Nobel prizes' masterpieces. Who cares for accuracy in those
@#% translations?
To which I'd reply: on the other hand we are on the <Disney Comics Mailing
List>. We are Disney Comics fans. WE CARE.
Marco
> You know, recently, I was trying to think of sets of
> identical characters -- those who are precisely the same, one to the
> next (with the exception of very superficial identifiers like
> numbers or cap colors) -- and aside from the Beagles and the
> Nephews, all I could come up with were the Twins from the
> GORMENGHAST books. Maybe my brain is defective, because I'm SURE
> there must be more than just three sets, two of which are associated
> with Donald Duck.
This is a nice contest. I wish others would join giving examples. If we
accept identical twins, I think Mortie and Ferdie would do. But maybe for
sets of two elements it's too easy (maybe).
A set of three: April, May and June, of course.
A set of 98: 98 out of 101 Dalmatians (taken out the two grown-ups and the
little fat one).
Mmmmh, these are all Disney examples, however...!
DON M. again:
> I just look at the artwork, figure out a story that fits, and write
> a script for it in meter and rhyme. What the heck, it works.
I beg your pardon, and do you call that a "translation" ???
I am shivering at the thought. Well, of course, maybe it does work. Maybe
for a Bucky Bug story it can be done (I don't remember ever seeing great
plots in those). Probably for most S-coded stories it could work. But if you
have a **good good** story, you must do a **real** translation!
We have always been saying in this ML that credit should be given to the
authors. What would YOU say if somebody should "translate" a story of YOURS
this way?
My, my, I'm starting to realize what a great person Lidia Cannatella really
is! ;-) She may not have a great knowledge of English, she may be a little
sloppy and hasty with her translations some times, but I am certain she
would NEVER think of re-scripting Don (R)'s stories!
Well, you might say, after all we are discussing the translations of Duck
stories, not of Nobel prizes' masterpieces. Who cares for accuracy in those
@#% translations?
To which I'd reply: on the other hand we are on the <Disney Comics Mailing
List>. We are Disney Comics fans. WE CARE.
Marco
Dave Rawson
Disney comics Digest V97 #227
Message 202 -
1997-10-20 at 10:16:21
> Tarjei Kidd Olsen <(Email removed)>
> it seems like most of the European Duck scripts are written very
> hastily, incorporating few references, or even much thought.
> Especially the ones in the weekly Donald Duck comics. That's why it's
> much more fun to read the story in a Gladstone comic, especially with
> the superior coloring.
Hi, Tarjei!
Could you expand a bit on the above? I'm not sure I'm properly
understanding. For instance, when you refered to "most of the European
Duck scripts" did you intend to mean the local European *translations*
of those scripts? Or did you actually mean the original creator's
scripts seem hastily, thoughtlessly written because they incorporate so
few references? And by "references" did you mean to Barks? Or to
"Literature" outside of comics?
Thanks for helping me out on this!
--
riverrun past Eve's and Adam's from swerve of shore to bend of bay
(Email removed) -=*=- http://users.aol.com/dcrawson/home.htm
> it seems like most of the European Duck scripts are written very
> hastily, incorporating few references, or even much thought.
> Especially the ones in the weekly Donald Duck comics. That's why it's
> much more fun to read the story in a Gladstone comic, especially with
> the superior coloring.
Hi, Tarjei!
Could you expand a bit on the above? I'm not sure I'm properly
understanding. For instance, when you refered to "most of the European
Duck scripts" did you intend to mean the local European *translations*
of those scripts? Or did you actually mean the original creator's
scripts seem hastily, thoughtlessly written because they incorporate so
few references? And by "references" did you mean to Barks? Or to
"Literature" outside of comics?
Thanks for helping me out on this!
--
riverrun past Eve's and Adam's from swerve of shore to bend of bay
(Email removed) -=*=- http://users.aol.com/dcrawson/home.htm
Kriton Kyrimis
Disney comics Digest V97 #227
Message 203 -
1997-10-20 at 10:27:43
DONALD D. MARKSTEIN:
> You know, recently, I was trying to think of sets of
> identical characters -- those who are precisely the same, one to the
> next (with the exception of very superficial identifiers like
> numbers or cap colors) -- and aside from the Beagles and the
> Nephews, all I could come up with were the Twins from the
> GORMENGHAST books.
How about Dupon & Dupont (or Thomson & Thompson, in English), the
identical police detectives in Tin Tin? Or, given the recent talk about
Jacovitti, the Cucnash brothers (or, however it was spelled--I've only
read a couple of Greek translations) gang of seven identical bandits in
Cocco Bill, each having different hair color?
--
Kriton (e-mail: (Email removed))
(WWW: http://dias.cti.gr/~kyrimis
-----
"I find it impossible to support immortality
forced on an individual by the state."
-----
> You know, recently, I was trying to think of sets of
> identical characters -- those who are precisely the same, one to the
> next (with the exception of very superficial identifiers like
> numbers or cap colors) -- and aside from the Beagles and the
> Nephews, all I could come up with were the Twins from the
> GORMENGHAST books.
How about Dupon & Dupont (or Thomson & Thompson, in English), the
identical police detectives in Tin Tin? Or, given the recent talk about
Jacovitti, the Cucnash brothers (or, however it was spelled--I've only
read a couple of Greek translations) gang of seven identical bandits in
Cocco Bill, each having different hair color?
--
Kriton (e-mail: (Email removed))
(WWW: http://dias.cti.gr/~kyrimis
-----
"I find it impossible to support immortality
forced on an individual by the state."
-----
Dan Shane
Disney comics Digest V97 #227
Message 204 -
1997-10-20 at 16:48:34
Mike Schneiderath:
: WHAT I am really wondering about now is how may Ehapa use Texts from Don
: that only appear on his Home page without even asking him about it.
Who says they didn't ask us?
Dan Shane
(Email removed)
http://www.win.net/~homebrew/scroohome.htm
: WHAT I am really wondering about now is how may Ehapa use Texts from Don
: that only appear on his Home page without even asking him about it.
Who says they didn't ask us?
Dan Shane
(Email removed)
http://www.win.net/~homebrew/scroohome.htm
Cebarat
Disney comics Digest V97 #226-227
Message 205 -
1997-10-20 at 17:05:13
ANDREW WILES responded to the question "Has anyone wondered how or where
Goldie got the money to buy the Blackjack Saloon?" by saying:
<<It was always my understanding that she was once a prostitute.>>
Meanwhile, DON ROSA answered the question by saying:
<<Anyway, I just figured she homesteaded the land and built the joint
herself, by being smarter than the smarties and tougher than the toughies.
How else could she be worthy to be $crooge's only love?>>
I think Andrew's theory is more, well, believable. A "purty gal" living on
the frontier in that day and age, who by her actions demonstrates that she is
not above devious dealings and has a pretty crafty mind... Yes, I can easily
imagine Goldie financing her "rise" through prostitution. But I don't think
she would have been a run of the mill prostitute. She would probably have
made herself available to the leading citizens of the town, thereby reaping a
larger profit, gaining influence and making it possible for her to form a
business and set herself up in a more "respectable" profession. By the time
of "Klondike," she's probably been out of "the game" for a while, though
there's always the possibility of reentering it if the circumstances are
right.
DONALD MARKSTEIN commented:
<<You know, recently, I was trying to think of sets of
identical characters...and aside from the Beagles and the
Nephews, all I could come up with were the Twins from the
GORMENGHAST books. Maybe my brain is defective, because I'm SURE
there must be more than just three sets, two of which are associated
with Donald Duck.>>
Other such sets include: (1) Ignatz Mouse's sons Milton, Marshall, and Irving
(KRAZY KAT); (2) "The Blots," the little black kids in JERRY ON THE JOB (who
are cited by Gottfredson as an influence on his creation of the Phantom
Blot); (3) Happy Hooligan's nephews (who are different sizes but otherwise
look the same).
-- Christopher E. Barat
(Email removed)
http://members.aol.com/cebarat/home.htm
"SOMETIMES WE THINK SO MUCH ALIKE, IT'S SCARY!" -- Nephew, "DuckTales"
episode "Scrooge's Last Adventure"
Goldie got the money to buy the Blackjack Saloon?" by saying:
<<It was always my understanding that she was once a prostitute.>>
Meanwhile, DON ROSA answered the question by saying:
<<Anyway, I just figured she homesteaded the land and built the joint
herself, by being smarter than the smarties and tougher than the toughies.
How else could she be worthy to be $crooge's only love?>>
I think Andrew's theory is more, well, believable. A "purty gal" living on
the frontier in that day and age, who by her actions demonstrates that she is
not above devious dealings and has a pretty crafty mind... Yes, I can easily
imagine Goldie financing her "rise" through prostitution. But I don't think
she would have been a run of the mill prostitute. She would probably have
made herself available to the leading citizens of the town, thereby reaping a
larger profit, gaining influence and making it possible for her to form a
business and set herself up in a more "respectable" profession. By the time
of "Klondike," she's probably been out of "the game" for a while, though
there's always the possibility of reentering it if the circumstances are
right.
DONALD MARKSTEIN commented:
<<You know, recently, I was trying to think of sets of
identical characters...and aside from the Beagles and the
Nephews, all I could come up with were the Twins from the
GORMENGHAST books. Maybe my brain is defective, because I'm SURE
there must be more than just three sets, two of which are associated
with Donald Duck.>>
Other such sets include: (1) Ignatz Mouse's sons Milton, Marshall, and Irving
(KRAZY KAT); (2) "The Blots," the little black kids in JERRY ON THE JOB (who
are cited by Gottfredson as an influence on his creation of the Phantom
Blot); (3) Happy Hooligan's nephews (who are different sizes but otherwise
look the same).
-- Christopher E. Barat
(Email removed)
http://members.aol.com/cebarat/home.htm
"SOMETIMES WE THINK SO MUCH ALIKE, IT'S SCARY!" -- Nephew, "DuckTales"
episode "Scrooge's Last Adventure"
Eirik Krogh Visted
(No subject)
Message 206 -
1997-10-20 at 17:26:18
In which norwegian Donald-pocket is Byron Erickson's recent Inca Scrooge
story ?
Eirik Krogh Visted
Arbeiderenes Idrettsbevegelse
FRIHET -- SUNDHET -- KULTUR
story ?
Eirik Krogh Visted
Arbeiderenes Idrettsbevegelse
FRIHET -- SUNDHET -- KULTUR
Nils Lid Hjort
Awards/prizes for Barks and Rosa?
Message 207 -
1997-10-20 at 18:30:11
Question to the list, partial and/or complete answers welcomed:
* What _national and international prizes and awards_ have (up to this point
of history) been bestowed on (a) Carl Barks and (b) Don Rosa?
This should be of general interest to our group, but the reason for bringing
this up just now is the following: there will be Some Measures of Celebration
next year in Norway, in connection with a Suitably Calculated Anniversary or
Other for Donald Duck. This might have been initiated by the Norwegian editors
for the weekly magazine; this was unclear to me. However, a public relations
type group has been put on the job of planning & executing this, obviously.
This group will know approximately what to do when and how, presumably, _but_
they need various pieces of facts and help from Those Who Know. So they have
asked another person who in his turn has asked me who in my turn ask the
Knowers and Holders of Disney Comics Facts, that is, _you_.
I/middle person/P.R. group/main instigators/Donald Duck hope for speedy
partial and/or complete replies.
Nils Lid Hjort
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End of Disney comics Digest V97 Issue #228
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* What _national and international prizes and awards_ have (up to this point
of history) been bestowed on (a) Carl Barks and (b) Don Rosa?
This should be of general interest to our group, but the reason for bringing
this up just now is the following: there will be Some Measures of Celebration
next year in Norway, in connection with a Suitably Calculated Anniversary or
Other for Donald Duck. This might have been initiated by the Norwegian editors
for the weekly magazine; this was unclear to me. However, a public relations
type group has been put on the job of planning & executing this, obviously.
This group will know approximately what to do when and how, presumably, _but_
they need various pieces of facts and help from Those Who Know. So they have
asked another person who in his turn has asked me who in my turn ask the
Knowers and Holders of Disney Comics Facts, that is, _you_.
I/middle person/P.R. group/main instigators/Donald Duck hope for speedy
partial and/or complete replies.
Nils Lid Hjort
--------------------------------
End of Disney comics Digest V97 Issue #228
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Gerstein, David DK - ECN
Say Uncle?
Message 208 -
1997-10-20 at 19:20:09
DON MARKSTEIN:
>You know, recently, I was trying to think of sets of
>identical characters... I'm SURE there must be more than
>just three sets.
Let's see... I've gotta dig way back here...
Chip 'n' Dale have nephews named Zip 'n' Zap, who are identical
(their relationship to our heroes, meanwhile, showing that Chip and Dale
are related, which may be a topic of debate to fans of the more recent
Rescue Rangers series?).
Zeke Wolf had three identical cubs in the cartoons and in the
early comics, from whom Li'l Bad Wolf ultimately developed as a very
different (and solo) character.
Minnie has her nieces, who were never consistently named.
Bucky Bug has two sons in some of the very last American stories
(such as the one in WDC&S 115), and I believe their names to be Tic and
Tac. Or are these alternate names for Chip 'n' Dale's nephews? Anyway,
chaos reigns as there was a "Junior Bug" appearing in some other stories
about three years before, but he doesn't seem to be a relative of Bucky,
despite his name.
Grandpa Bootle Beetle has two lookalike grandsons, Ezra and (I
believe) Herman.
Getting out of Disney (who certainly seems to have more of these
groupings than anyone else), Warner Bros. does have the two identical
Goofy Gophers, Mac 'n' Tosh, and when BEEP BEEP THE ROAD RUNNER was a
comic book, the Road Runner had three identical sons.
MGM's Barney Bear had nephews named Fuzzy and Wuzzy in the comic
books, who are identical (and make Hans and Fritz Katzenjammer look like
angels).
Felix the Cat has had his twin nephews Inky and Dinky since
1926.
Albert the Alligator had three identical nephews right at the
start of the Pogo stories in the Dell era, although only one survived
until the "mature" stories (maybe Albert swallowed the other two!).
David Gerstein
<(Email removed)>
>You know, recently, I was trying to think of sets of
>identical characters... I'm SURE there must be more than
>just three sets.
Let's see... I've gotta dig way back here...
Chip 'n' Dale have nephews named Zip 'n' Zap, who are identical
(their relationship to our heroes, meanwhile, showing that Chip and Dale
are related, which may be a topic of debate to fans of the more recent
Rescue Rangers series?).
Zeke Wolf had three identical cubs in the cartoons and in the
early comics, from whom Li'l Bad Wolf ultimately developed as a very
different (and solo) character.
Minnie has her nieces, who were never consistently named.
Bucky Bug has two sons in some of the very last American stories
(such as the one in WDC&S 115), and I believe their names to be Tic and
Tac. Or are these alternate names for Chip 'n' Dale's nephews? Anyway,
chaos reigns as there was a "Junior Bug" appearing in some other stories
about three years before, but he doesn't seem to be a relative of Bucky,
despite his name.
Grandpa Bootle Beetle has two lookalike grandsons, Ezra and (I
believe) Herman.
Getting out of Disney (who certainly seems to have more of these
groupings than anyone else), Warner Bros. does have the two identical
Goofy Gophers, Mac 'n' Tosh, and when BEEP BEEP THE ROAD RUNNER was a
comic book, the Road Runner had three identical sons.
MGM's Barney Bear had nephews named Fuzzy and Wuzzy in the comic
books, who are identical (and make Hans and Fritz Katzenjammer look like
angels).
Felix the Cat has had his twin nephews Inky and Dinky since
1926.
Albert the Alligator had three identical nephews right at the
start of the Pogo stories in the Dell era, although only one survived
until the "mature" stories (maybe Albert swallowed the other two!).
David Gerstein
<(Email removed)>
Deckerd
Say Uncle?
Message 209 -
1997-10-20 at 19:43:41
On Oct 20, 6:20pm, Gerstein, David DK - ECN wrote:
> Subject: Say Uncle?
> DON MARKSTEIN:
> >You know, recently, I was trying to think of sets of
> >identical characters... I'm SURE there must be more than
> >just three sets.
I forget...did Don mention Terrytoons' Heckle & Jeckle? One had
a Brooklyn accent and the other had a British accent, but visually
they were identical and I'm not sure if there were any personality
differences that mattered -- or if the Terry people even knew which
one was which.
> Getting out of Disney (who certainly seems to have more of these
> groupings than anyone else)...
I should memorize the non-Disney uncles and nephews so I can have
the facts ready the next time somebody suffering from an overdose
of Freud tries to read Dark Meanings into the lack of married
Disney characters with children. Didn't I just read someplace
(like in one of Geoffrey Blum's essays) that the guys in the
studio pretty definitely patterned Donald's nephews after the
example of Happy Hooligan's? And of course, Popeye was given
_four_ HDL-like nephews in his cartoons... (Gee, I wonder if
there's an ML where Popeye fans talk about sightings of the
accidental fifth nephew?)
--Dwight Decker
> Subject: Say Uncle?
> DON MARKSTEIN:
> >You know, recently, I was trying to think of sets of
> >identical characters... I'm SURE there must be more than
> >just three sets.
I forget...did Don mention Terrytoons' Heckle & Jeckle? One had
a Brooklyn accent and the other had a British accent, but visually
they were identical and I'm not sure if there were any personality
differences that mattered -- or if the Terry people even knew which
one was which.
> Getting out of Disney (who certainly seems to have more of these
> groupings than anyone else)...
I should memorize the non-Disney uncles and nephews so I can have
the facts ready the next time somebody suffering from an overdose
of Freud tries to read Dark Meanings into the lack of married
Disney characters with children. Didn't I just read someplace
(like in one of Geoffrey Blum's essays) that the guys in the
studio pretty definitely patterned Donald's nephews after the
example of Happy Hooligan's? And of course, Popeye was given
_four_ HDL-like nephews in his cartoons... (Gee, I wonder if
there's an ML where Popeye fans talk about sightings of the
accidental fifth nephew?)
--Dwight Decker
Mike Schneiderath
For Dan and his Website
Message 210 -
1997-10-20 at 19:48:29
DAN:
> : WHAT I am really wondering about now is how may Ehapa use Texts from Don
> : that only appear on his Home page without even asking him about it.
> Who says they didn't ask us?
sorry...I only concluded it from Don s statement that he had no further
involvement in the Ehapa publication then signing the print.
Which seemed to suggest to me that they didn t contact him on the text
they have used on the print he signed. (was it so "far fetched"???)
But I also noted that I was not sure if the text was already allowed to
be used by an other Disney publisher. But actually that seems to be the
case since Don said that Egmont was already allowed to use the texts,
which made it perfectly ok for Ehapa to print them.
Mike
> : WHAT I am really wondering about now is how may Ehapa use Texts from Don
> : that only appear on his Home page without even asking him about it.
> Who says they didn't ask us?
sorry...I only concluded it from Don s statement that he had no further
involvement in the Ehapa publication then signing the print.
Which seemed to suggest to me that they didn t contact him on the text
they have used on the print he signed. (was it so "far fetched"???)
But I also noted that I was not sure if the text was already allowed to
be used by an other Disney publisher. But actually that seems to be the
case since Don said that Egmont was already allowed to use the texts,
which made it perfectly ok for Ehapa to print them.
Mike