Keskustelujen arkisto

(forgive me if this issue has already been discussed)

Well, I was lucky enough to convince my mother to pick up a copy of
PICSOU (as well as an issue of Super Picsou Geant, which seems to be
mostly egmont and italian stuff...) for me while she was in France, and
I have to say that I was pretty impressed with it overall! This was a
"Super Donald" issue, which printed both Barks' and Rosa's Super Snooper
stories back to back... lots of parallels when viewed that way! Even
down to some "camera angles" being directly re-used.

What I was most interested was a NEW, at least to little old english
speaking ME, Don Rosa story in the back... I know absolutely zero
french, but I believe the title is something about a SILVER PLATTER :-)
Anyway, has this story ever appeared in English before? I certainly had
never read it before... but was very impressed that while I didn't have
a clue to the dialog, I was able to follow the story just fine thanks to
Don's very humorous visuals...Donald's legs running around in Magica's
cottage comes to mind! Exactly WHEN was this story created Don? I
wonder, simply because the backgrounds don't seem as visually "crowded"
(and I use that as a good term) as most of your work I'm familiar with.

Back to the Super Picsou Geant... I was kind of impressed by some of the
D code stories within... I'll have to check the index and see who the
creators were... If only I could get magazines like this in a language I
could actually READ! :-)

-Matt-

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> From: Michael Lobel <(Email removed)>
> I'm assuming the image was from a comic book, but I've looked through a
> lot of the Dell Giants from 1959-1961 and haven't been able to find it
> (the only one I haven't been able to get my hands on is "Mickey and Donald
> in Vacationland").

I think you can rule out "Mickey and Donald in Vacationland." I have
this book and paged through it looking for the image. It
is not there. BTW, the cover of this book shows the whole Disney
gang (most of them, anyway) waving from the caboose of a train.

Sorry, but good luck with your quest!

- "Blasted kids must think I'm a whelcher!"
S. McDuck (US3 - OS 495)

"This fabulous twenty-four carat moon, for
a handful of dirt! ...Man! That's the
biggest bargain I ever heard of in all
history!" S. McDuck (US24)

Carey Furlong; Huntington Beach, California, USA;
(Email removed); (Email removed)

>

Scroll down fast...HHA
HAP
HAPP
HAPPY
HAPPY B
HAPPY BI
HAPPY BIR
HAPPY BIRT
HAPPY BIRTH
HAPPY BIRTHD
HAPPY BIRTHDA
HAPPY BIRTHDAY
HAPPY BIRTHDAY D
HAPPY BIRTHDAY DO
HAPPY BIRTHDAY DON
HAPPY BIRTHDAY DON R
HAPPY BIRTHDAY DON RO
HAPPY BIRTHDAY DON ROS
HAPPY BIRTHDAY DON ROSA
HAPPY BIRTHDAY DON ROSA!
HAPPY BIRTHDAY DON ROSA!!
HAPPY BIRTHDAY DON ROSA!!!
HAPPY BIRTHDAY DON ROSA!!
HAPPY BIRTHDAY DON ROSA!
HAPPY BIRTHDAY DON ROSA
HAPPY BIRTHDAY DON ROS
HAPPY BIRTHDAY DON RO
HAPPY BIRTHDAY DON R
HAPPY BIRTHDAY DON
HAPPY BIRTHDAY DO
HAPPY BIRTHDAY D
HAPPY BIRTHDAY
HAPPY BIRTHDA
HAPPY BIRTHD
HAPPY BIRTH
HAPPY BIRT
HAPPY BIR
HAPPY BI
HAPPY B
HAPPY
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That was my own (albeit a bit long, sorry) "little something special" to wish HAPPY BIRTHDAY, DON ROSA!!!!

:-)

Katie Quackfaster

The new issue of Aku Ankka (the Finnish duck mag) just came out and had
a nice story written by David G. and drawn by Marco Rota. Looking at the
art, I suddenly remembered a DD album I had when I was a kid - it was
some sort of an anniversary album for Donald in the middle of the
eighties.

I don't really remember much of this album, but I do recall the few
barksian inaccuracies, for example that Grandma Duck was Scrooge's
sister and they found Donald on the street in an egg (and, thus, Grandma
raised Donald).
As whole, the story was something like a reported interviewing Don and
the boys and Donald thus remembering his childhood...

Can anyone come up with some details of this story? I believe it was
drawn by Rota, but is this true?
Who wrote it? And was it published anywhere else?

-jussi
--
(define me '((jussi mantere)((Email removed))((Email removed))))
"Goodbye, all you neo-nazis... I hope they give you Auschwitz." -Mr.
McPhisto

>From: Daniel Tangri
>I probably reacted like a typical archaeologist - with no sense of humour -
so sorry if you're miffed

I'm not the slightest bit miffed that you might want to discuss the research
I do on stories involving ancient history. In fact, this *delights* me, both
because the subject interests me as an amatuer historian, and because it
gives me a chance to brag of the great lengths I go to to get all of my
facts straight and details authentic... far beyond anyone can guess by just
looking at my stories, or considering how much trouble any *reasonable*
person would go to for stories about talking Ducks. And I only know what the
experts write or personally tell me. What might miff me is your proclaiming
that ALL of these experts are wrong, or that one (respectable) historian's
opinion is any better than another. You'll not get anywhere along those
lines... you say you aren't an expert on the Temple of Ephesus and you seem
to be writing off the top of your head -- I consulted a *stack* of expert
books on all of this, and of course I picked the historian's opinions that
made my story work best. The Temple of Artemis at Ephesus doesn't even exist
anymore... anything anyone says about what it looked like or who built it or
what sort of inscriptions were on columns is all a matter of
historian-opinion.

>I don't know what you have read, but my reading contradicts this. I am not
an expert on the temple of Ephesos, but my understanding from recent
archaeological books is that Croesus may have dedicated some columns but did
not build the temple.

That was one opinion I also found. Another entire book I have discusses how
Croesus built the Temple and even how he raised the money to do so.

>Seton Lloyd suggests that the temple was even built before Croesus' time

He "suggests" that. Croesus may have built on those old temples, or built a
whole new one. I chose the latter "suggestion".

>as the earliest artefacts from the Croesus period temple predate the period
when Croesus could have had contact with Ephesos.

We're discussing bits of pottery or coins found by archeaologist digs. The
site is simply a field now. This is all conjecture... like building a entire
dinosaur out of a single fossil tooth.

>Similarly, the columns look hellenistic rather than mid 6th century

What columns? They supposedly have many at the Hagia Sophia and the British
Museum, but I found no photos of them. I drew my columns based on diagrams
in the expert's books I referred to.

>>> iconographically the one remaining column at Ephesos does not fit within
the sixth century BC.

Yes, there is one column propped up on the site in recent years, made from
bits of rubble found in the area. No one knows exactly what that column is.
If it's not from the period that I need it to be from, then it's not a
column from the Temple in *my* story.

>Sorry, it is true. There are a fair few inscriptions from Ephesos dating
to the 6th century which show traces of dedications by Croesus and they are
written in Greek.

None of these inscriptions are from the Temple, which no longer exists. But
the inscriptions in my story were not public -- they were secret
inscriptions from Croesus to his gods, so I can say that he'd naturally
write them in Lydian/Greek, which was his way of writing.

>The Lydians may well have used the Greek alphabet to write Lydian, but not
(as far as I know) at Ephesos.

Right. Not as far as you know. Me, either. Nobody else, either.

>I feel like a nitpicker here (or whatever else you want to call me) - but
the alphabetic numeral system you put on the money gauge in Croesus' money
bin didn't come into use until the 2nd century BC. In Croesus' time he
might have used the acrophonic system of numbering. I was actually really
impressed that you'd put in the alphabetic system of numbering (but it was
wrong!).

You GOT me. This was a last instant detail I added to that ancient depth
gauge while inking (the final stage of work). I did my own research,
unchecked, on what the Greek style numbers would be for 100, 99, etc. This
came from NO expert book. I cannot defend it. But I probably stopped work
and spent an hour trying to figure out what to write on that gauge... such a
miniscule detail, but I spent time giving it my best, last-moment try.

>Similarly, the gag of all the columns falling over like dominos is a great
gag - but no Greek temple was built of a forest of columns like that.

Sorry, and this is what might miff me, that you proclaim that my facts are
in error without checking. To draw my Temple, I used a diagram of the column
foundations found by the 1902 expedition, and compared several (not just
one) visualisations of the Temple made by experts on the subject. I actually
TRACED a view of the Temple from a book on the subject when I drew my
flashback of how the Temple looked in antiquity. It *was*, in fact, a dense
"forest" of columns... 127 of them. Greeks thought lotsa columns were
"cool". The more, the better. The only thing I omitted showing, for
simplicity, was the space in the rear third of the structure that had a
small open space (no columns!) for the actual interior area for the statuary
or whatever the Temple contained. The single most thoroughly researched part
of that story was the visual appearance of the Temple.
We're wasting a lot of space here with this, and getting nowhere, and
proving nothing... because it's not possible to do anything but makes
guesses. And I have no idea whether or not my facts were accurate or that
every expert opinion I obtained came from a raving maniac. But I was
planning this story for years... I even made a trip to the University of
Michigan in 1991 to consult a history-professor friend there (with whom I
wrote a comic about Greek history back when we were both at the University
of Kentucky in the early 70s), and we made a shopping trip around the
college-town visiting book stores and looking for material on Croesus and
Sardis, etc. That was about 5 years before I even did the story. And my
friend (Prof. John Scarborough), all the books he gave me, all the research
I did on my own... might be ALL WRONG. I don't know... I wasn't in Lydia in
550 BC. But neither was anyone else who is still around, that's why all this
is simply one historian's opinion vs. another. You might say that my facts
don't agree with some things that you have read... or that your historians
don't agree with my historians, fair enough. But don't tell me my facts are
flat-wrong.
I defend my efforts to
give my readers the most *authentic* historical facts as is within my power,
and I defend my experts as being as good as any other.
(I still can't explain why this mural or vase shows those names mispelled,
but since it was created several thousand years ago by a Greek writing,
perhaps, in some dialect or in Greek/Lydian, or that he just cudn't spel
gud, we'll never know.)
>From: "Matthew R. Sommer"
>What I was most interested was a NEW, at least to little old english
>speaking ME, Don Rosa story in the back... I know absolutely zero
>french, but I believe the title is something about a SILVER PLATTER :-)
>Anyway, has this story ever appeared in English before?

Yes, in fact, TWICE. Once back in 1990 or so, and again just recently in a
new WDC&S, right? It's titled "On a Silver Platter", and might be the best
gag-story I did back before I was able to breal away from them and do only
long adventures.

Oh... and thanks to everyone for the Birthday wishes in the last Digest!

"Topolino" # 2223 on sale today prints a new episode of the "Once upon a
time... in America" saga by Pezzin and De Vita.
Mickey at last finds Minnie-Clementine, asks her to marry him, opens the
Chisum Trail and moves with Minnie-Clementine to town.

Is this the end of the saga?

Marco

http://marcobar.cce.unifi.it/Comics/

Marco asks

> Is this the end of the saga?

And I answer:
Yes!
Luca

In a message dated 6/30/98 9:33:29 PM Central Daylight Time, dcomics-
(Email removed) writes:

<< "LOOK MICKEY, I'VE HOOKED
A BIG ONE!". But his fishing line isn't in the water at all; it's hooked
on the back of his shirt. Mickey's in back of him, hand over his mouth,
laughing. >>

I remember this image. I'll scout through my collection and see if I can find
it.

Lynne