Since we know nothing about Minnie's brothers and sisters (or do we?) we
can assume that she has several. And the daughters of these siblings
might even have the same names - my parents have several nieces who
carry the same name. So there is a possibility that Minnie has, for
example, six nieces: Millie, Molly, Melody, Millie, Melanie and Millie.
These nieces are not all sisters of each other - some are cousins.
(The fact that cousins have the same name is not unusual where I come
from: they were all named after their grandmother.)
--Harry.
Author
Topic: 199807
(382 messages)
Fluks, H.W.
Minnie's nieces
Message 226 -
1998-07-21 at 16:32:49
Fluks, H.W.
Mythtic Misery...
Message 227 -
1998-07-21 at 16:38:10
Owen, Stefan, and others, about MYTHTIC MYSTERY:
I changed "Mythic" to "Mythtic" several times in my own and other
people's indexes. I always thought it was a "tic" in the "myth" (in
stead of a word play on "mystic").
The Dutch title for this story is "Mythisch mysterie", which is, you
guessed it... "Mythic Mystery".
BTW, someone wrote that Kim Weston was the author of the bilbiography in
Michael Barrier's book. As far as I know, Michael did the bibliography
himself, with only some help from Weston.
--Harry.
I changed "Mythic" to "Mythtic" several times in my own and other
people's indexes. I always thought it was a "tic" in the "myth" (in
stead of a word play on "mystic").
The Dutch title for this story is "Mythisch mysterie", which is, you
guessed it... "Mythic Mystery".
BTW, someone wrote that Kim Weston was the author of the bilbiography in
Michael Barrier's book. As far as I know, Michael did the bibliography
himself, with only some help from Weston.
--Harry.
Fluks, H.W.
Finnish Carl Barks stories ruined?
Message 228 -
1998-07-21 at 17:36:02
> Juhana K Kouhia:
The same observations seems also to apply to WDC 156 "The Master
>Rainmaker".
> the first frame of WDC 156 in AAP is cut horizontally to half -- the
> top part is missing. In earlier version the first frame is a typical big
> first frame.
The rainmaker story is supposed to have four rows of panels on the first
page, all of equal height (which is slightly lower than on the other
pages). The Dutch reprint also has the first panel made VERY high,
almost as if it were a 2-row splash panel.
So the Finnish AAP version was probably the original, rather than a
"cut"!
--Harry.
The same observations seems also to apply to WDC 156 "The Master
>Rainmaker".
> the first frame of WDC 156 in AAP is cut horizontally to half -- the
> top part is missing. In earlier version the first frame is a typical big
> first frame.
The rainmaker story is supposed to have four rows of panels on the first
page, all of equal height (which is slightly lower than on the other
pages). The Dutch reprint also has the first panel made VERY high,
almost as if it were a 2-row splash panel.
So the Finnish AAP version was probably the original, rather than a
"cut"!
--Harry.
Francois Willot
Mickeyville
Message 229 -
1998-07-21 at 19:29:21
ETA BETA:
Just ask me... "the last Balab=F9" is "le dernier Barzalou" here.
>As far as I know, "Calidornia" was only used once, in the
>Scarpa story, while "Calisota"... I can't remember any occurrence
>of the term in Italian stories or translations, at the moment...
It was used in a translation of the Lo$ (chapter 10) in the D.U.C.K.
album.
>As a footnote to the above message to Don & Stefan, I also
>have to add that Italian authors, especially back then, didn't
>care much for consistency in locations... or perhaps Mondadori
>never bothered... however, there's even a Bottaro story,
>"Pippo e il fantasma migratore", TL 319 7/1/62, where Witch
>Hazel brings Ser Soldano's ghost to Topolinia from Scotland
>"just across the Atlantic", and they reach a city with an
>unequivocable New York-like skyline...;-)
If I understand well the only countries where Mickey doesn't live in
Duckburg is Italy, the USA (at least the Disney Comics period, and the
30s) and France.
In France, Topolinia/Mouseton/Mouseville is Mickeyville and
Paperopoli/Duckburg is Donaldville. I think it *is* an Italian
influence, but even after the first Italian stories were published in
the 50s, in most of the French stories in the 80s, Mickey always lives
in Mickeyville, and also Minnie, O'Hara, Goofy and Ellsworth (in the
same house), and there is an elephant mayor of Mickeyville too.
About other cities... many references to Gooseville (I don't know the
name in English) in Danish stories (and some by Barks?) were replaced b=
y
"Mickeyville" here. For instance, when Donald sees a match of soccer
with Duckburg, on the TV, it often is between Mickeyville and
Donaldville. But when Donald wants to escape of Duckburg, he always goe=
s
to Goosville.
Francois
Just ask me... "the last Balab=F9" is "le dernier Barzalou" here.
>As far as I know, "Calidornia" was only used once, in the
>Scarpa story, while "Calisota"... I can't remember any occurrence
>of the term in Italian stories or translations, at the moment...
It was used in a translation of the Lo$ (chapter 10) in the D.U.C.K.
album.
>As a footnote to the above message to Don & Stefan, I also
>have to add that Italian authors, especially back then, didn't
>care much for consistency in locations... or perhaps Mondadori
>never bothered... however, there's even a Bottaro story,
>"Pippo e il fantasma migratore", TL 319 7/1/62, where Witch
>Hazel brings Ser Soldano's ghost to Topolinia from Scotland
>"just across the Atlantic", and they reach a city with an
>unequivocable New York-like skyline...;-)
If I understand well the only countries where Mickey doesn't live in
Duckburg is Italy, the USA (at least the Disney Comics period, and the
30s) and France.
In France, Topolinia/Mouseton/Mouseville is Mickeyville and
Paperopoli/Duckburg is Donaldville. I think it *is* an Italian
influence, but even after the first Italian stories were published in
the 50s, in most of the French stories in the 80s, Mickey always lives
in Mickeyville, and also Minnie, O'Hara, Goofy and Ellsworth (in the
same house), and there is an elephant mayor of Mickeyville too.
About other cities... many references to Gooseville (I don't know the
name in English) in Danish stories (and some by Barks?) were replaced b=
y
"Mickeyville" here. For instance, when Donald sees a match of soccer
with Duckburg, on the TV, it often is between Mickeyville and
Donaldville. But when Donald wants to escape of Duckburg, he always goe=
s
to Goosville.
Francois
Eta Beta
Mussolini & Flare Guns
Message 230 -
1998-07-21 at 20:40:58
DAVID K.
>It's my theory that Gottfredson's Blot was
>modelled on Mussolini. (Note the black, "Italian" hair, when the Blot is
>unmasked at the end.)
Er... did you *ever* see a picture of Mussolini ?
What he lacked for in the hair department he had in
the jawbone...
Actually, it's a common belief in the Disney world that the
Blot was modelled after Walter Elias Disney himself...:-)
DAVID [on Colossus]
>As in the original story, I tried to be ambiguous about exactly what
>Donald's shooting was intended to accomplish (I think Scarpa was
>intending us to wonder whether he was firing directly at the Beagles
>themselves!).
Hmmm... I don't know... there's not enough time to even feel any
ambiguity here, since DD clearly aims quite high in the following
panel, while declaring himself a sharp shooter...
>Maybe I *shouldn't* have been ambiguous that way. As you
>can see, any ambiguity is gone in the approved Burbank version...
Absolutely. But I state again that this little over-explanation
did nothing wrong to the story flow, IMO, and I'm pleased with
your rendition of it.
Still, I can't help but wondering what happened to page 3...;-)
CLAUDIA [still on Colossus]
>>A flare gun is MUCH better than pointing fingers...;-)
>Especially because with pointing fingers it would be difficult to explain
>why the BB balloons explode! (placebo effect?)
That's a good one :-)))
Cheers
Eta Beta
>It's my theory that Gottfredson's Blot was
>modelled on Mussolini. (Note the black, "Italian" hair, when the Blot is
>unmasked at the end.)
Er... did you *ever* see a picture of Mussolini ?
What he lacked for in the hair department he had in
the jawbone...
Actually, it's a common belief in the Disney world that the
Blot was modelled after Walter Elias Disney himself...:-)
DAVID [on Colossus]
>As in the original story, I tried to be ambiguous about exactly what
>Donald's shooting was intended to accomplish (I think Scarpa was
>intending us to wonder whether he was firing directly at the Beagles
>themselves!).
Hmmm... I don't know... there's not enough time to even feel any
ambiguity here, since DD clearly aims quite high in the following
panel, while declaring himself a sharp shooter...
>Maybe I *shouldn't* have been ambiguous that way. As you
>can see, any ambiguity is gone in the approved Burbank version...
Absolutely. But I state again that this little over-explanation
did nothing wrong to the story flow, IMO, and I'm pleased with
your rendition of it.
Still, I can't help but wondering what happened to page 3...;-)
CLAUDIA [still on Colossus]
>>A flare gun is MUCH better than pointing fingers...;-)
>Especially because with pointing fingers it would be difficult to explain
>why the BB balloons explode! (placebo effect?)
That's a good one :-)))
Cheers
Eta Beta
Katie Sullivan
Regarding lots of various stuff :-)
Message 231 -
1998-07-21 at 21:08:43
I have comments on lots of things that have been discussed here lately. Sorry I've been
in a "lurk mode" lately, but I've been rather busy both on- and off-line. :-) Some of
this has already been covered/answered by other list members, but I want to throw in my
own $.02 anyway.
re: Minne's neice(s): Since I had minimal interest in the mice as a child, I don't have
too many memories of them. I remember seeing a pair of mouse girls with Morty and Ferdie
at some point, but that's the extent of my memory. I am interested in this topic, and am
curious to see what evidence pops up.
(Email removed) wrote:
>Who are the parents? Are HD&L Donald's brother's or sister's children? Or
>maybe he was married in a past life and these are his former wife's nephews.
Reincarnated ducks, hmm? ;-) Something for Gyro to look into.
Seriously, though, as others have said, , Don Rosa's family tree places HD&L as the sons
of Della, Donald's twin sister. Della is listed as Donald's only sibling. The identity
of HD&L's father is a complete unknown, and something many of us duck fans are clamoring
to know!
(Email removed) also wrote:
>Though I can't imagine any duck-woman marrying Donald. And speaking of
>marrying.... Have there been any inter-species marriages? Have there been
>any marriages at all?
Marriages are few and far between, since they tend to shake up the way the characters'
world is structured. Unless the characters are originally introduced as married, it
complicates things. Donald and Daisy were "married" in a dream sequence discussed in some
detail on the list a few months ago. (And had SIX children all at once!!!) Scrooge
almost (shudder) married Brigitta once, but only to get some of her land. (Sorry, but I'm
a dyed-in-the-wool Goldie fan, as most of you already know. ;-)
As for interspecies romance, I can't think of too many examples. Just the aforementioned
Clarabelle Cow and Horace Horsecollar relationship. The only other example that comes to
mind is somewhat off-topic, but I'll toss it into the discussion anyway. On the Disney
Channel yesterday, a Tale Spin episode showed a brief romance between Rebecca Cunningham
(an anthropomorphic bear) and a panther. (((((shrug)))))) I suppose interspecies
marriages would be discouraged, since children would be impossible. Speaking of which,
has a pregnant character ever appeared in Disney comics? I somehow think not. Do the
ducks hatch from eggs???
One last quote: > Of course, there are children -- and Donald has an
>Uncle (was that paternal or maternal?).
Maternal. Also referring back to Don Rosa's duck family tree, Donald's mother, Hortense,
is Scrooge's younger sister.
Re: the size of my comics collection. I certainly don't have a complete collection! My
father collected Disney comics in his childhood, as well as lots of Looney Toons comics.
Although much of his baseball card collection succumbed to maternal housecleaning, the
comics survived, thank heavens!! :-) He read them for fun at that age, of course, but
gaps in the collection have been filled in via antique stores in the years since. When I
was born (1979) his interest in comics was revived, and I was practically taught to read
by story time with Dad and Carl Barks. ;-) The two of us have collected ever since, both
new and old. We still have a lot of non-Disney (mainly Bugs Bunny, et al) comics, but the
only ones we actively collect are Ducks. I really don't feel like going down in the
basement and measuring them all right now, but perhaps I will later. I know we have a
LOT, though! :-)
Re: the revival of the Donald Duck title by Gladstone: I think it would be a grand idea,
so long as it didn't harm the two existing titles. As I see it, it's a touchy affair just
to keep ANY Disney comics afloat in the U.S., and I don't want to rock the boat too much.
But if there was a stable way to get DD on the market again, then by all means, go for
it! After all, if it wasn't for the original DD title, U$ would never have been created!
:-)
As for the comics' cost discouraging younger collectors, I agree. There's already the
image problem of Disney comics being "kiddie books." Plus the lack of exposure for the
line in this country. So placing a $7 price tag on the two remaining titles is probably
the last straw to discourage younger consumers. Again, I don't mind paying a little extra
for such a slick, fine, collectible issue, but 8-year-old Timmy could care less. So while
I would howl if the prestige format was discontinued, I think that perhaps the addition of
at least one "regular" title would help the line. Whatever happened to the Penny Pincher
series?
I believe that's all I have to say for the moment. Keep on quackin', mis amigos!
Katie Quackfaster
"Kinda makes you wonder what might have happened if he hadn't lost his sled."
~~~A nephew, via Don Rosa, "Last Sled to Dawson."~~~
in a "lurk mode" lately, but I've been rather busy both on- and off-line. :-) Some of
this has already been covered/answered by other list members, but I want to throw in my
own $.02 anyway.
re: Minne's neice(s): Since I had minimal interest in the mice as a child, I don't have
too many memories of them. I remember seeing a pair of mouse girls with Morty and Ferdie
at some point, but that's the extent of my memory. I am interested in this topic, and am
curious to see what evidence pops up.
(Email removed) wrote:
>Who are the parents? Are HD&L Donald's brother's or sister's children? Or
>maybe he was married in a past life and these are his former wife's nephews.
Reincarnated ducks, hmm? ;-) Something for Gyro to look into.
Seriously, though, as others have said, , Don Rosa's family tree places HD&L as the sons
of Della, Donald's twin sister. Della is listed as Donald's only sibling. The identity
of HD&L's father is a complete unknown, and something many of us duck fans are clamoring
to know!
(Email removed) also wrote:
>Though I can't imagine any duck-woman marrying Donald. And speaking of
>marrying.... Have there been any inter-species marriages? Have there been
>any marriages at all?
Marriages are few and far between, since they tend to shake up the way the characters'
world is structured. Unless the characters are originally introduced as married, it
complicates things. Donald and Daisy were "married" in a dream sequence discussed in some
detail on the list a few months ago. (And had SIX children all at once!!!) Scrooge
almost (shudder) married Brigitta once, but only to get some of her land. (Sorry, but I'm
a dyed-in-the-wool Goldie fan, as most of you already know. ;-)
As for interspecies romance, I can't think of too many examples. Just the aforementioned
Clarabelle Cow and Horace Horsecollar relationship. The only other example that comes to
mind is somewhat off-topic, but I'll toss it into the discussion anyway. On the Disney
Channel yesterday, a Tale Spin episode showed a brief romance between Rebecca Cunningham
(an anthropomorphic bear) and a panther. (((((shrug)))))) I suppose interspecies
marriages would be discouraged, since children would be impossible. Speaking of which,
has a pregnant character ever appeared in Disney comics? I somehow think not. Do the
ducks hatch from eggs???
One last quote: > Of course, there are children -- and Donald has an
>Uncle (was that paternal or maternal?).
Maternal. Also referring back to Don Rosa's duck family tree, Donald's mother, Hortense,
is Scrooge's younger sister.
Re: the size of my comics collection. I certainly don't have a complete collection! My
father collected Disney comics in his childhood, as well as lots of Looney Toons comics.
Although much of his baseball card collection succumbed to maternal housecleaning, the
comics survived, thank heavens!! :-) He read them for fun at that age, of course, but
gaps in the collection have been filled in via antique stores in the years since. When I
was born (1979) his interest in comics was revived, and I was practically taught to read
by story time with Dad and Carl Barks. ;-) The two of us have collected ever since, both
new and old. We still have a lot of non-Disney (mainly Bugs Bunny, et al) comics, but the
only ones we actively collect are Ducks. I really don't feel like going down in the
basement and measuring them all right now, but perhaps I will later. I know we have a
LOT, though! :-)
Re: the revival of the Donald Duck title by Gladstone: I think it would be a grand idea,
so long as it didn't harm the two existing titles. As I see it, it's a touchy affair just
to keep ANY Disney comics afloat in the U.S., and I don't want to rock the boat too much.
But if there was a stable way to get DD on the market again, then by all means, go for
it! After all, if it wasn't for the original DD title, U$ would never have been created!
:-)
As for the comics' cost discouraging younger collectors, I agree. There's already the
image problem of Disney comics being "kiddie books." Plus the lack of exposure for the
line in this country. So placing a $7 price tag on the two remaining titles is probably
the last straw to discourage younger consumers. Again, I don't mind paying a little extra
for such a slick, fine, collectible issue, but 8-year-old Timmy could care less. So while
I would howl if the prestige format was discontinued, I think that perhaps the addition of
at least one "regular" title would help the line. Whatever happened to the Penny Pincher
series?
I believe that's all I have to say for the moment. Keep on quackin', mis amigos!
Katie Quackfaster
"Kinda makes you wonder what might have happened if he hadn't lost his sled."
~~~A nephew, via Don Rosa, "Last Sled to Dawson."~~~
Gerstein, David DK - ECN
New British Scarpa discovery
Message 232 -
1998-07-22 at 00:12:25
LUCA:
>Sunday Page, and remembered that... YES! Those works for the English=20
>market are his very first Disney comics ever published (also before=20
>working for Mondadori). Isn'it a scoop?
>He made two or three pages (but maybe also that one "saw the light").
As you've no doubt seen by now, the "Twin Trouble" page has
nothing to do with Mickey and Goofy as Mounties, so it isn't the early
page Scarpa remembers doing.
Today I regained access to the MICKEY MOUSE WEEKLY archives
here, and looked carefully through *all* issues from 1952-1958. I turne=
d
up *one* other page that is undeniably Scarpa's, but not in 1953 -
instead, it was published a week *after* the "Twin Trouble" one.
The new page is a Goofy story, "The Last of the Mohigoofs."
Goofy daydreams that he's an Indian warrior, 'Chingachgoof,' teaming up
with British soldiers to fight a rival tribe. It cannot have been drawn
earlier than 1958, because it's part of a series of similar 'daydream'
strips,=A0"The Dreams of a Goofy Goof" - that the British had as a regu=
lar
feature in 1958 only.
I wonder whether the Mountie page Scarpa refers to was ever
published? The only thing in the earlier MMWs that looks somewhat like
Scarpa is a 1952-53 serial story starring the King and Grand Duke from
Cinderella (titled "The Kingdom That Lost a Prince"). No Mounties there=
.Anyone want to ask him if this is his? I think it's more likely to be b=
y
a British artist.
David Gerstein
<(Email removed)>
>Sunday Page, and remembered that... YES! Those works for the English=20
>market are his very first Disney comics ever published (also before=20
>working for Mondadori). Isn'it a scoop?
>He made two or three pages (but maybe also that one "saw the light").
As you've no doubt seen by now, the "Twin Trouble" page has
nothing to do with Mickey and Goofy as Mounties, so it isn't the early
page Scarpa remembers doing.
Today I regained access to the MICKEY MOUSE WEEKLY archives
here, and looked carefully through *all* issues from 1952-1958. I turne=
d
up *one* other page that is undeniably Scarpa's, but not in 1953 -
instead, it was published a week *after* the "Twin Trouble" one.
The new page is a Goofy story, "The Last of the Mohigoofs."
Goofy daydreams that he's an Indian warrior, 'Chingachgoof,' teaming up
with British soldiers to fight a rival tribe. It cannot have been drawn
earlier than 1958, because it's part of a series of similar 'daydream'
strips,=A0"The Dreams of a Goofy Goof" - that the British had as a regu=
lar
feature in 1958 only.
I wonder whether the Mountie page Scarpa refers to was ever
published? The only thing in the earlier MMWs that looks somewhat like
Scarpa is a 1952-53 serial story starring the King and Grand Duke from
Cinderella (titled "The Kingdom That Lost a Prince"). No Mounties there=
.Anyone want to ask him if this is his? I think it's more likely to be b=
y
a British artist.
David Gerstein
<(Email removed)>
Gerstein, David DK - ECN
Another British Scarpa page discovered
Message 233 -
1998-07-22 at 01:57:20
LUCA:
>Sunday Page, and remembered that... YES! Those works for the English=20
>market are his very first Disney comics ever published (also before=20
>working for Mondadori). Isn'it a scoop?
>He made two or three pages (but maybe also that one "saw the light").
As you've no doubt seen by now, the "Twin Trouble" page has
nothing to do with Mickey and Goofy as Mounties, so it isn't the early
page Scarpa remembers doing.
Today I regained access to the MICKEY MOUSE WEEKLY archives
here, and looked carefully through *all* issues from 1952-1958. I =
turned
up *one* other page that is undeniably Scarpa's, but not in 1953 -
instead, it was published a week *after* the "Twin Trouble" one.
The new page is a Goofy story, "The Last of the Mohigoofs."
Goofy daydreams that he's an Indian warrior, 'Chingachgoof,' teaming up
with British soldiers to fight a rival tribe. It cannot have been drawn
earlier than 1958, because it's part of a series of similar 'daydream'
strips,=A0"The Dreams of a Goofy Goof" - that the British had as a =
regular
feature in 1958 only.
I wonder whether the Mountie page Scarpa refers to was ever
published? The only thing in the earlier MMWs that looks somewhat like
Scarpa is a 1952-53 serial story starring the King and Grand Duke from
Cinderella (titled "The Kingdom That Lost a Prince"). No Mounties =
there.
Anyone want to ask him if this is his? I think it's more likely to be =
by
a British artist.
David Gerstein
<(Email removed)>
>Sunday Page, and remembered that... YES! Those works for the English=20
>market are his very first Disney comics ever published (also before=20
>working for Mondadori). Isn'it a scoop?
>He made two or three pages (but maybe also that one "saw the light").
As you've no doubt seen by now, the "Twin Trouble" page has
nothing to do with Mickey and Goofy as Mounties, so it isn't the early
page Scarpa remembers doing.
Today I regained access to the MICKEY MOUSE WEEKLY archives
here, and looked carefully through *all* issues from 1952-1958. I =
turned
up *one* other page that is undeniably Scarpa's, but not in 1953 -
instead, it was published a week *after* the "Twin Trouble" one.
The new page is a Goofy story, "The Last of the Mohigoofs."
Goofy daydreams that he's an Indian warrior, 'Chingachgoof,' teaming up
with British soldiers to fight a rival tribe. It cannot have been drawn
earlier than 1958, because it's part of a series of similar 'daydream'
strips,=A0"The Dreams of a Goofy Goof" - that the British had as a =
regular
feature in 1958 only.
I wonder whether the Mountie page Scarpa refers to was ever
published? The only thing in the earlier MMWs that looks somewhat like
Scarpa is a 1952-53 serial story starring the King and Grand Duke from
Cinderella (titled "The Kingdom That Lost a Prince"). No Mounties =
there.
Anyone want to ask him if this is his? I think it's more likely to be =
by
a British artist.
David Gerstein
<(Email removed)>
HorizonHse
Disney comics Digest V98 #171
Message 234 -
1998-07-22 at 09:30:01
hi,
kim weston did create a bibliography of carl barks' writings about scrooge
mcduck, but it appeared in jack chalker's an informal biography of scrooge
mcduck, not in mike barrier's book.
bill lipsky
kim weston did create a bibliography of carl barks' writings about scrooge
mcduck, but it appeared in jack chalker's an informal biography of scrooge
mcduck, not in mike barrier's book.
bill lipsky
Santiago García Baños
Where to keep comics?
Message 235 -
1998-07-22 at 11:07:50
Claudia, Katie, Kriton and others:
>To all those collectors with meters after meters (feet after feet) of
>comics I have a question: where do you keep them?
Well I must say I keep my 2 and a half collections in my bedroom, right
at your eyes' height, so that any of my friends who came into my room
HAS TO SEE IT, and then I can tell them to pick up anyone of them
randomly and show me just the cover page, and I'm proud to remember
which issue number it is. I must admit they're just over 300 issues,
which might make you big collectors laugh, but I can't complain myself.
>So I have to keep it at my
>parent's house and now and then I go for a visit... ("Hello mum, hello dad,
>how are you? Are my comics OK? Can I take a look?")
I have to say I 'have' a secondary Disney comics bin at my cousin's,
which I visit often.
Katie:
>Although much of his baseball card collection succumbed to maternal housecleaning
Condolences for that. I know how it feels.
Seriously: where to keep them?
I have in mind scan them all and record'em in CDRom, panel by panel. You
might print as many copies as you want (preventig Disney to notice, or
they will own your PC and printer!), you might keep them FOR EVER AND
EVER in a CD without care about humidity or paper breaks or
unsticked pages or even having room for them: Digitals are for ever.
Of corse I won't have time for all of that (I haven't a scanner neither
a CD recorder even!), but i think it's a good idea.
SKN.
>To all those collectors with meters after meters (feet after feet) of
>comics I have a question: where do you keep them?
Well I must say I keep my 2 and a half collections in my bedroom, right
at your eyes' height, so that any of my friends who came into my room
HAS TO SEE IT, and then I can tell them to pick up anyone of them
randomly and show me just the cover page, and I'm proud to remember
which issue number it is. I must admit they're just over 300 issues,
which might make you big collectors laugh, but I can't complain myself.
>So I have to keep it at my
>parent's house and now and then I go for a visit... ("Hello mum, hello dad,
>how are you? Are my comics OK? Can I take a look?")
I have to say I 'have' a secondary Disney comics bin at my cousin's,
which I visit often.
Katie:
>Although much of his baseball card collection succumbed to maternal housecleaning
Condolences for that. I know how it feels.
Seriously: where to keep them?
I have in mind scan them all and record'em in CDRom, panel by panel. You
might print as many copies as you want (preventig Disney to notice, or
they will own your PC and printer!), you might keep them FOR EVER AND
EVER in a CD without care about humidity or paper breaks or
unsticked pages or even having room for them: Digitals are for ever.
Of corse I won't have time for all of that (I haven't a scanner neither
a CD recorder even!), but i think it's a good idea.
SKN.
Gerstein, David DK - ECN
Disney comics Digest V98 #171
Message 236 -
1998-07-22 at 11:27:17
LUNA:
[Re: "Colossus of the Nile"]
>Absolutely. But I state again that this little over-explanation
>did nothing wrong to the story flow, IMO, and I'm pleased with
>your rendition of it.
>Still, I can't help but wondering what happened to page 3...;-)
To quote the animated version of Donald, "Awright - awwwRIGHT!"
I knew you'd call me on that one of these days... ;-)
Here's my explanation, the only one I've got. Remember that I
Americanized "Colossus" before I'd had *any* objections to my treatments
of Scarpa. At the time, here's how I saw it:
Being a translator is one thing, and being an Americanizer (or
Germanizer, or Danishizer, or any-foreign-language-izer) is another.
Translating is just producing an exact replica of what you started with
in another language. But Americanizing also involves tailoring the
product to meet a specific comic book market, and the expectations of
that market. So Americanizer is an *editorial* job as well as a
systematic one.
On to the case at hand. "Colossus of the Nile" spends its first
two pages establishing an *incredible* dramatic crisis. This
awe-inspiring, giant statue is in serious jeopardy. One can see
*exactly* why the ministers of culture are as desperate as they are.
It's totally believable and very stirring. We've just got to see what's
going to happen!
So what *does* happen on the original Page 3? The story stops
dead. The crisis is forgotten. The ministers could care less about
Ramses' colossus as they become silly little children, playing with toy
boats in the wading pool. We can no longer believe in the seriousness of
their plight, because they don't believe in it themselves. When (what
was originally) Page 4 begins and the plot shifts back into high gear, a
sense of urgency has been lost, and it can *never* be regained.
I took it on myself to keep the dramatic intensity high, in this
case and *only* this case, by removing the original Page 3. I hope you
understand why I did it, now, although I might not have done the same
thing were I to tackle the project today.
PAOLO:
>That's the point Gottfredson's Mickey DOESN'T play the role of
>"the forces of good", expecially in stories written by de Maris and
>Walsh.
>If you read the story "The Miracle Master", you'll know Gottfredson's
>and de Maris' ideas about being lawful, polite, generous, etc....
Well, they establish that Mickey *is* a good, kind, *real*
person with a soul in him. He'd never do anything he thought was
*wrong*. It's just that in the Gottfredson world (like the real world),
making heroism work among the cynical masses is a tough job.
Great, great stuff!
BTW, don't blame Paul Murry for the behavior of "his" mouse. If
you've got a gripe, it's with Carl Fallberg, Vic Lockman, or Don
Christensen. IMHO, Christensen's Mickey is much closer to the earlier
Mickey, and as a result he's my favorite Murry writer.
David Gerstein
Tomatoes re: the Colossus situation accepted at
<(Email removed)>
[Re: "Colossus of the Nile"]
>Absolutely. But I state again that this little over-explanation
>did nothing wrong to the story flow, IMO, and I'm pleased with
>your rendition of it.
>Still, I can't help but wondering what happened to page 3...;-)
To quote the animated version of Donald, "Awright - awwwRIGHT!"
I knew you'd call me on that one of these days... ;-)
Here's my explanation, the only one I've got. Remember that I
Americanized "Colossus" before I'd had *any* objections to my treatments
of Scarpa. At the time, here's how I saw it:
Being a translator is one thing, and being an Americanizer (or
Germanizer, or Danishizer, or any-foreign-language-izer) is another.
Translating is just producing an exact replica of what you started with
in another language. But Americanizing also involves tailoring the
product to meet a specific comic book market, and the expectations of
that market. So Americanizer is an *editorial* job as well as a
systematic one.
On to the case at hand. "Colossus of the Nile" spends its first
two pages establishing an *incredible* dramatic crisis. This
awe-inspiring, giant statue is in serious jeopardy. One can see
*exactly* why the ministers of culture are as desperate as they are.
It's totally believable and very stirring. We've just got to see what's
going to happen!
So what *does* happen on the original Page 3? The story stops
dead. The crisis is forgotten. The ministers could care less about
Ramses' colossus as they become silly little children, playing with toy
boats in the wading pool. We can no longer believe in the seriousness of
their plight, because they don't believe in it themselves. When (what
was originally) Page 4 begins and the plot shifts back into high gear, a
sense of urgency has been lost, and it can *never* be regained.
I took it on myself to keep the dramatic intensity high, in this
case and *only* this case, by removing the original Page 3. I hope you
understand why I did it, now, although I might not have done the same
thing were I to tackle the project today.
PAOLO:
>That's the point Gottfredson's Mickey DOESN'T play the role of
>"the forces of good", expecially in stories written by de Maris and
>Walsh.
>If you read the story "The Miracle Master", you'll know Gottfredson's
>and de Maris' ideas about being lawful, polite, generous, etc....
Well, they establish that Mickey *is* a good, kind, *real*
person with a soul in him. He'd never do anything he thought was
*wrong*. It's just that in the Gottfredson world (like the real world),
making heroism work among the cynical masses is a tough job.
Great, great stuff!
BTW, don't blame Paul Murry for the behavior of "his" mouse. If
you've got a gripe, it's with Carl Fallberg, Vic Lockman, or Don
Christensen. IMHO, Christensen's Mickey is much closer to the earlier
Mickey, and as a result he's my favorite Murry writer.
David Gerstein
Tomatoes re: the Colossus situation accepted at
<(Email removed)>
Www.Conk.Com/world/teme
Horses and size
Message 237 -
1998-07-22 at 12:49:47
>I suppose interspecies marriages would be discouraged, since children >would be impossible.
Somehow I can imagine seeing little boy-horses and girl-cows in disney
universe resulting from Clarabelle Cow & Horace Horsecollar mariage ;-)
Could anyone the me what's the original (generally?) size to which
comics are drawn in to... as in when they do appear in comic books how
much have they changed the size from original drawing?
Teme
Somehow I can imagine seeing little boy-horses and girl-cows in disney
universe resulting from Clarabelle Cow & Horace Horsecollar mariage ;-)
Could anyone the me what's the original (generally?) size to which
comics are drawn in to... as in when they do appear in comic books how
much have they changed the size from original drawing?
Teme
Fluks, H.W.
Comic collections
Message 238 -
1998-07-22 at 14:19:44
PAOLO wrote:
>> To all those collectors with meters after meters (feet after feet) of
>> comics I have a question: where do you keep them?
> Shhhh, I can't tell it or my mother will throw them away! ;-)
You must be one of the very few list members whose MOTHER also reads the
e-mails!
KATHY:
> I am sure my
> Mother made us give our comics away but generally in those days
> folks didn't throw out too much, there was always another family with
> kids that could use what we could not.
In my youth (late 60s), we read the comics over and over and over, until
they were completely torn and/or have fallen apart. While my sister and
I strongly protested, my mother made a big pile of comics and loose
comic pages, have us pick a few reasonable comics out of it, and threw
the rest away.
In the mean time, I have regained almost all of the lost comics from my
youth.
SKN:
> I have in mind scan them all and record'em in CDRom [...]
> Digitals are for ever.
But I will never have as much pleasure *reading* the comics from a
screen. Maybe digitalising is an option when they have invented computer
monitors that have the size of a comic book, and which you can put on
your lap while reading. And even then, the pleasure of holding an actual
comic book has gone. (Someone said he preferred real comics to
Gladstone's prestige format. I fully agree, since real comics are so
much easier to *read*! And a comic book is supposed to be made for
reading.)
Now, since several people measured their collection, I have used a
measure tape too.
My collection is 8.8 meters (I don't know how much that would be in
those weird non-metric units). This includes albums etc. My guess is
that the average Barks story is 5 times in my collection, a Rosa story 4
times, a Gottfredson story 2.5 times, and other stories 1.5 times.
(But the average Italian story is probably 0.01 times in my
collection...)
Finally, a question to DON ROSA:
Did your number include albums like the Carl Barks Library? (Mine
doesn't include the CBL, since I don't have it..)
--Harry.
Harry Fluks, Leidschendam, The Netherlands
>> To all those collectors with meters after meters (feet after feet) of
>> comics I have a question: where do you keep them?
> Shhhh, I can't tell it or my mother will throw them away! ;-)
You must be one of the very few list members whose MOTHER also reads the
e-mails!
KATHY:
> I am sure my
> Mother made us give our comics away but generally in those days
> folks didn't throw out too much, there was always another family with
> kids that could use what we could not.
In my youth (late 60s), we read the comics over and over and over, until
they were completely torn and/or have fallen apart. While my sister and
I strongly protested, my mother made a big pile of comics and loose
comic pages, have us pick a few reasonable comics out of it, and threw
the rest away.
In the mean time, I have regained almost all of the lost comics from my
youth.
SKN:
> I have in mind scan them all and record'em in CDRom [...]
> Digitals are for ever.
But I will never have as much pleasure *reading* the comics from a
screen. Maybe digitalising is an option when they have invented computer
monitors that have the size of a comic book, and which you can put on
your lap while reading. And even then, the pleasure of holding an actual
comic book has gone. (Someone said he preferred real comics to
Gladstone's prestige format. I fully agree, since real comics are so
much easier to *read*! And a comic book is supposed to be made for
reading.)
Now, since several people measured their collection, I have used a
measure tape too.
My collection is 8.8 meters (I don't know how much that would be in
those weird non-metric units). This includes albums etc. My guess is
that the average Barks story is 5 times in my collection, a Rosa story 4
times, a Gottfredson story 2.5 times, and other stories 1.5 times.
(But the average Italian story is probably 0.01 times in my
collection...)
Finally, a question to DON ROSA:
Did your number include albums like the Carl Barks Library? (Mine
doesn't include the CBL, since I don't have it..)
--Harry.
Harry Fluks, Leidschendam, The Netherlands
Fluks, H.W.
Tombouctou?
Message 239 -
1998-07-22 at 14:22:01
Francois:
> when Donald wants to escape of Duckburg, he always goes
> to Goosville.
You mean he doesn't go to the North Pole, or Timbooctoo, but to
Gooseville in stead? Isn't Gooseville supposed to be close to Duckburg?
--Harry.
> when Donald wants to escape of Duckburg, he always goes
> to Goosville.
You mean he doesn't go to the North Pole, or Timbooctoo, but to
Gooseville in stead? Isn't Gooseville supposed to be close to Duckburg?
--Harry.
Fluks, H.W.
Italian Gottfredson book(s?)
Message 240 -
1998-07-22 at 14:28:43
ALBERTO, FRANK, LEONARDO:
Didier Ghez wrote the following in his newsletter:
> Disney Books Network News - Issue 11
> http://www.pizarro.net/didier
> BOOKS TO COME
> Gori, Leonardo; Stajano, Francesco: Floyd Gottfredson published by Comic
> Art; November 1998.
> Written in Italian.
> Becattini, Alberto: Floyd Gottfredson published by Comic Art; November
> 1998.
> Written in Italian.
> Yes! Two books about the same master of Disney comics published in
> Italy by the same editor, at the same date.
Are there really going to be two books? If so, what will be the
contents?
--Harry.
Didier Ghez wrote the following in his newsletter:
> Disney Books Network News - Issue 11
> http://www.pizarro.net/didier
> BOOKS TO COME
> Gori, Leonardo; Stajano, Francesco: Floyd Gottfredson published by Comic
> Art; November 1998.
> Written in Italian.
> Becattini, Alberto: Floyd Gottfredson published by Comic Art; November
> 1998.
> Written in Italian.
> Yes! Two books about the same master of Disney comics published in
> Italy by the same editor, at the same date.
Are there really going to be two books? If so, what will be the
contents?
--Harry.