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ROB GIBSON, 10 July 1998:

> WDCS 281, "Feud and far between", concerns itself with neighbor Jones
> secretly moving back in next door, and with Donald's rude and unseemly
> attempts to find out who he is under his disguise, against the advice
> of his nephews.

I never realized, until Harry told me recently, that Mr. Jones hasn't been
in stories of the 1950s. So, having him in this story is some kind of
'reunion'. Maybe this explains why a different neighbour is shown at the
beginning of "Knights of the Flying Sleds" in WDC 233?

For people interested in family trees: The "Fued and Far Between" story
shows Mr. Jones living with his mother. A picture of his father hangs on
the wall earlier in the story.

ROB GIBSON, 18 July 1998:

> I recently reread "The gilded Man" for the first time in a Looooong
> time, and was struck by the the scene in El Dorado's "Mayan" temple
> museum where Donald says "What's up? Did you see something?" And the
> nephews, sweating profusely, reply "Yes, some stuffed ducks."

Another story in which the distinction between human and animal ducks is
crossed over, is the putty story (WDC 48) in which Mr. Jones says:
"I *hate* ducks, but I *love* chicken!"

BTW. The scene of Donald with the chicken over his head reminds me of a
christmas-episode of "Mr. Bean" in which something similar happens with a
turkey. Is this a quite general joke, or could Rowan Atkinson have taken
the gag from this story?

Greetings,

--- Daniel

DON MARKSTEIN, 17 July 1998:

> Well, I didn't say there were NO crossovers between Wolf/Br'er
> characters and Duck/Mouse ones. There are few if any Disney characters
> of that time that haven't crossed over with one another -- Grandma Duck
> has even met Dumbo (in a story drawn by Barks, no less). But given the
> frequency with which crossovers happened in general back then, there
> are RELATIVELY few of that type.

In Dutch stories it's quite usual to have crossovers with Br'er Bear. At
the end of the 1960s, when the Marten Toonder Studio made Wolf and
Hiawatha stories, it went even further because Bear, Fox and Wolf were
all member of the wood's Villian Club (mostly misspelled). Seeing the
Wolves and Br'er Rabbbit together is something we rarely see, thhough.

BTW. Did the 'Fillians Clup' (it's always misspelled) originate in the
WDC-stories or is it a Dutch creation?

> I agree on Grandma being a pretty good character, by the way. She was
> the star of one of the first Duck stories I did at Egmont. There's not
> much that can be done with her in the way of spectacular adventures,
> but plenty of scope for excellent stay-at-home stories.

Why not? She appears outdoors as frontier in Barks' art-only story "Trial
Tycoon" (OS 1025) and I think she does it very well. Maybe an artist could
experimate in making an adventure with Grandma?

JONATHAN MARKOFF to DAVID GERSTEIN, 13 July 1998:

> I admit I'm somewhat predjudiced to STORIES over GAGS. Probably that's
> the reason why I dislike Taliaferro as well. For me the worst story is
> better than the best gag.

Of course this is a matter of taste, but I'd rather see a great plot in
one page than no (good) plot at all in 2 or more pages.

>> Re: the Wolf story, is it just that you don't like them, or that this
>> particular one was, for you, a downer?

> To tell the truth, this did seem better than most Bad Wolf stories.
> I just don't think there's much that can be done with the character.
> The whole situation is is limited, any way you look at it: Zeke Wolf
> tries to catch the Three Pigs in the forest or the Pigs' well-fortified
> house, but is foiled by his own mistakes, Lil Bad Wolf, Brer Bear, or
> all three in conjunction, all within 6 or 8 pages.

Again a matter of taste, but there have been *quite a lot* of great Wolf
stories. I particularly like the WDC ones (although I don't know if I've
seen them all) and the Dutch ones of the late 1960s and the 1970s.

The ones from the sixties were made in a not so regular but IMO very
original style by the Dutch Marten Toonder Studio. The 1970s ones were
drawn by an artist with a very expressive style and the plots for these
are mostly great.

The Dutch weekly "Donald Duck Weekblad" had a very artistic time from
1974 up to the end of the 1970s. Great covers, a revival of Carl Barks'
stories from mostly the 1940s and 1950s, also a variety of great non-
Duckstories like the Wolf-ones. I'm not saying the weekly is not good
nowadays, but the 1970s area is IMO unbeatable.

If a translator or editor is interested, I can xerox some great Wolf-
stories to show what I mean.

I have great youth-memories of the 1960s, 1970s and 1980s. The 1960s at
my grandparents's house, the 1970s in an aunt's house and the 1980s at
home. As a result I have the same youth-nostalgia of Donald Duck Weekblad
as Harry Fluks, even though I'm ten years younger. :-)

Greetings,

--- Daniel

DON MARKSTEIN to KATIE SULLIVAN & RICH BELLACERA, 25 July 1998:

> I know of two Barksian references to a Miss Penny Wise -- in a late
> 1950s or early '60s WDC&S, she is a Duckburg resident whom Scrooge
> fears, and on the cover of the first Scrooge FC comic, he apparently
> named a boat after her. (Does anybody know of another?)

The Penny Wise cover was made years before this story. Even as a fantasy
both names are only similar by coincidence (IMO).

KATIE SULLIVAN to HARRY FLUKS, 24 July 1998:

>> [Scrooge and his love for women] What about miss Penny Wise?

> Was she the old dogface in the story with the mutant bread dough?
> I don't remember any romantic attachment there. Refresh my memory?

According to WDC 164, Penny's one and only appearance, she owns an old
note of Scrooge that could ruin him and on which she can foreclose on
his entire fortune. No mention of any love.

RICH BELLACERA to CLAUDIA CAMBRIN, 25 JULY 1998:

>> 2- Who is the one on the right, with blue jacket, red hair, yellow
>> ribbon, and glasses?

> Gloria, Fethry's hippy girlfriend.

Very funny name for a hippy girlfriend, makes me curious how she looks
like. I haven't followed the names closely, but has Magica's grandmother
already been mentioned. She appears in stories from, I guess, the sixties,
in which she lives outside Duckburg in a castle.

I like the universe in such stories, I also even like the sometimes flat
story-telling in them. Everyone seems to have nephews, nieces, uncles,
aunts, and the stories often give a lot of freedom in what's possible.
This can make the stories a pleasure to read whenever I feel I've been in
the Barksian universes too long and too heavily.

Greetings,

--- Daniel

http://www.caiw.nl/~dve/barks/index.html

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BOB KASS, 19 July 1998:

> I would love to see more prestige books, simply because this is a more
> permanent form. I disagree with the people who romanticized their old
> yellowed comics.

Despite the price that goes along with it, I like the prestige format, too.
I agree with people who think there should be an extra 'regular' title to
lower the entrance treshold for newcomers.

If Gladstone is having a hard time in reaching their public, maybe they
could somehow cooperate with Egmont and/or Geillustreerde Pers? Not only
sharing stories, but also some knowlegde? Maybe some room could be found
to experimate with a new title and a new appproach?

What I miss on a Gladstone cover, for example, are some lines which call
to the potential reader to look inside ("Will Scrooge be able to..." etc).

And talking about such additional texts on covers, I have a question. Why
were the texts on the 1960s Uncle Scrooge comics removed in the Carl Barks
Library? For example, the original "Treasure of Marco Polo" (US 65) cover
said:

"NEITHER SPIES,
ELEPHANT FLIES NOR
BAD GUYS CAN KEEP
UNCLE SCROOGE FROM
THE TREASURE OF MARCO POLO!"

An alternate cover sketch for "The Swamp of No Return" shows that Barks
apparently wrote these texts, so that's even more a reason to wonder why
they are removed nowadays.

Greetings,

--- Daniel

http://www.caiw.nl/~dve/barks/index.html

TEME OF FINLAND, 27 JULY 1998:

> And another thing I remember seeing is is some kind of draft made
> by Barks conserning relations insede the Duck-family and states
> that each person was *hatched*.

You have my curiousity. Do you have further recollections of what it could
be? Maybe you mean the family tree Carl Barks made in 1991, accompanying
one of his letters to Don Rosa and which is now published in album Uncle
Scrooge Adventures No. 42?

RICH BELLACERA, 20 July 1998:

>> Have there been any marriages at all?

> Yes. Patricia and Percy Pigg for one. They are Disney's longest married
> couple. Of course, according to Walt Disney, himself, Mickey & Minnie
> are really married, but on screen, they play sweethearts, with Mickey
> still courting her.

How serious was this marriage idea? In the Gottfredson's "Love Trouble",
Minnie even dates with another guy throughout the story. Not that it
matters much anymore these days, but those were the *thirties*! :-)

Greetings,

--- Daniel

Daniel van Eijmeren:

>If there is a volunteer - or should I say digital monk? - living in/around
>Kentucky, maybe he/she could digitize Don Rosa's entire collection? :-)

Now I'm quivering with fear. I've seen that vault in Don's basement. I
helped him build the shelves and move his collection in there. Don knows I
have a scanner, a powerful PC, and access to a CD burner. Why do you have
to put ideas like that in his head?

Dan Shane
(Email removed)
www.win.net/~homebrew/scroohome.htm

hello, friends

> BTW, this and other letters like IMHO and
IMO sometimes appears on
the list, Some of ud are just ordinary mortals
so couldn't you just for once tell what you mean by them?
And what does pun mean, ain't that something you eat?!
Stefan Dios wrote

> > Actually I don't now if the swedish
> >"Groengoelingarne" means the same, or does it mean
> >green peas???

'Well, I suppose I maybe spelled those little
green things from the garden wrong?
> No, it's the green woodpecker, just like
> in Denmark. (Greenpeace has nothing
> to do with it!)
Because I certainly was not reffering to that
organisation!

> But it's also a pun, since "grongoling" also
> means an inept and inexperienced person, a
> "greenhorn". Is that the case in Denmark (and
> Norway) as well?

No it's not the case in Denmark at least. But what
you call greenhorn is exactly, what I meant by
asking about those green ... (whatever).
We would call your woodchucks groenskollinger,
which means the same as greenhorns (remember
Cicero from the latin-lections, means the same thing,
someone thinks)

> From: "Fluks, H.W." <(Email removed)>
> To: "'(Email removed)'" <(Email removed)>
> Subject: Eta Beta (or, as Anders would say, Eega Weega?? 8-)

I think I smell, some irony here, or I'm just stupid?
Lets get something straight Harry, Eta Beta is a member of the list right,
(or isn't he?)
Eega Weega, maybe he's called Eta beta too? He is Mickey's friend from
outher space, and was he not created by Floyd Gottfredson?
Well, please give me some answers!

Anders Christian - (Email removed)