Why haven't I answered questions? Where have I been?
I spent the past week backpacking in bear-country in southwestern Canada,
and I don't always announce to the world when I will be away from home, for
obvious reasons. But... spending a week or so (which is all the time I can
spare) in the backcountry of some wilderness somewhere is what I live for...
it seems like it's what life is all about to me. All this comic bookery is
fake, everything in civilization is fakery, but the wilderness is reality. I
get to believing that more every year, as I see how more and more Americans
are mesmerized by the incredible fakery of Disney and DisneyWorld... and I
only get more disgusted, not by the fact that people will want to spend a
vacation once every 5 or 10 years in DisneyWorld, but that so many Americans
increasingly seem proud to spend *every* vacation pouring money into
DisneyWorld, comparing notes on how many times they rode Splash Mountain or
somesuch.... rather than seeing or doing something *REAL*...and then Disney
starts building themed areas with fake imitations of National Park lodges or
this sad Animal Kingdom deal... and I want to go even *deeper* into the
backwoods to get away from that stuff and those people. Anyway, that's where
I've been. Climbed some snowy mountain passes, cooked over a campfire, drank
glacier-water, ate some berries, shooed some bears, that sort of thing...
(though I guess I have to admit that I still carried some civilized-fakery
with me in that I didn't strip off all my clothes and run butt-nekkid off
into the forest to do those things).
"Ross" asked me/us how we got all these funnybooks. Me, I had my sister's
collection amassed from 1948-1960... but those I completely dumped when I
thought I'd outgrown comics around 1962 (what I guess I'd done is outgrown
the appreciation of them on one level, before I learned of the deeper levels
of "intellectual" appreciation of something childish). So I re-amassed my
collection (plus many times more) one single issue at a time starting over
in 1969-1970. But with a lot of hard work and travel and diligent
collecting, it took a relatively short time to build a full set of American
Disney comics (as well as a nearly full set of American comics, period, back
to the late 40s) -- in the early 70s, old comics were hard to find but not
so expensive since only collectors were looking for them in those days, not
speculators and profiteers. So I had a full set of American Disneys by 1975,
minus the odd MARCH OF COMICS giveaway or Cheerios premium which I've since
acquired in the ensuing years.
Ole and Harry asked what I include in my linear measurement of my Disney
comics. Only comic books, nothing else. And I guess 20 ft. does seem
somewhat short for a full set, but it *is* a full set... I did *not*
estimate the length as Donald M. says he did his, I went down to the "vault"
with a steel tape and measured it onna spot. So you can trust that as the
length of a full set of American Disneys, minus, as I warned, the Disney
one-shot titles laced through my FOUR COLOR collection (though that's not
many since most of them, like all the DDs or MMs, are shelved with the rest
of those series).
As I say, that measurement includes ONLY the standard full-color
American-style comic magazines of (what are they?) 6 X 10.5 inches. What
does it NOT contain? It does not contain any hardback reprint books such as
the CBL. It does not contain any larger or smaller size editions such as
Gladstone albums of the 80-90s or Gold Key digests of the 70s or old
comic-format editions of the 30s-60s... or any BLBs (Big Little Books)...
though I have all the aforementioned and can also give you a measurement
there. It does not include any other Disney magazines of the 50s-70s (MICKEY
MOUSE CLUB MAGAZINE, etc.), or odd things like Cheerios/Wheaties comic
booklets of the 50s, though I have all those also, and can measure those
also, too, also. It does not contain any MICKEY MOUSE MAGAZINES of the 30s
as I *don't* have all those since the format never interested me much,
though I'd grab them when they popped up in a flea market. It does not
contain any other Disney coloring books or storybooks or Little Golden Books
or whatever books of the 30s-90s, though I have all of those (well,
virtually) that were Duck oriented. Uuuhhh.... yeah, there is a LOT that
doesn't include, but a European collection of Disney comics, albums,
digests, storybooks, etc. would STILL be larger than an American one since
our output plummeted as TV became more popular in the late 50s to 70s. And I
guess Ole and other Europeans include their digests and whatnot in their
measurements because comic books are not as popular a form, a *distinct*
form, of Disney product as they have been (Disney or otherwise) in America.
I mean, Europe has lots of comics and comic related stuff, but less of it in
that one specific 6 X 10.5 form that is so distinctly separate a form of
entertainment to American kids.... and yet, even at that, Europe leaves us
behind when their one SINGLE Disney comic has been *weekly* for decades,
while ours have been at best monthly, and were actually even outta business
for many years, pre-wonderful-Gladstone.
So, my 20 ft. measurement only includes full-color periodically-published
comic-magazines created and published by Dell, Gold Key, Whitman, Gladstone
and that other company that screwed them up for a few years (though those
are stored in a separate box apart from the rest, on a lower shelf).
From: "Antonio Di Dio":
>>>I was wondering if a list member could help me with a question -
Gerber's Photojournal lists 29 issues of Four Color Donald Ducks ie
9,29,62,108,etc through to 408 and 422 in 1952
The first issue of DD own series in Nov 1952 is #26
Howcum?
No known reason. This has been a mystery to collectors for decades. Even if
you start counting the issues from about #100 when FOUR COLOR COMICS seemed
to officially become something that Dell itself regarded as being titled ONE
SHOT, as evidenced by the codes on all the first pages, such as DONALD DUCK
#422 being coded "D.D.O.S.#422", the "#26" still doesn't add up. Other Dell
series a'borning in those days *did* correctly count the FOUR COLOR / ONE
SHOT issues into their "real" numbering, but none of the older series did
so, such as DD or MM or other non-Disney stuff. The reasons behind the "#26"
are lost in Western-Dell bookkeepping of the 50's, and are surely far too
arbitrary to worry about. .......What's more important is to realize that
the word "bookkeepping" has 4 consecutive double-letters! Wow. Far out.
Author
Topic: 199807
(382 messages)
Don Rosa
Digest #168-175:
Message 301 -
1998-07-27 at 09:27:12
Gerstein, David DK - ECN
Disney comics Digest V98 #174
Message 302 -
1998-07-27 at 10:56:55
SOREN SCHRIDDE:
From rememberings, the story looks like from Vicar and was=20
>published in the German Micky Maus in the mid-80ies in summer.
So it was. The story in question is D 5114, 8 pages, "The
Fountain of Youth" by Stefan Printz-P=E5hlson (plot), Tom Anderson
(script), and indeed Vicar.
But I *liked* it! There are several Barks stories where Donald
refers to having done something "when you kids..." (the nephews)
"...were still in the egg!" And in Barks' "That's No Fable" there are
many egg references.
Clearly, Barks' intent was that the ducks came from eggs,
unlikely as it may seem. A theory could be developed that this was all
some kind of continuing joke, but when your characters are duck-humans,
why push it so far if it isn't intended to be the "truth"?
David Gerstein
<(Email removed)>
From rememberings, the story looks like from Vicar and was=20
>published in the German Micky Maus in the mid-80ies in summer.
So it was. The story in question is D 5114, 8 pages, "The
Fountain of Youth" by Stefan Printz-P=E5hlson (plot), Tom Anderson
(script), and indeed Vicar.
But I *liked* it! There are several Barks stories where Donald
refers to having done something "when you kids..." (the nephews)
"...were still in the egg!" And in Barks' "That's No Fable" there are
many egg references.
Clearly, Barks' intent was that the ducks came from eggs,
unlikely as it may seem. A theory could be developed that this was all
some kind of continuing joke, but when your characters are duck-humans,
why push it so far if it isn't intended to be the "truth"?
David Gerstein
<(Email removed)>
Gerstein, David DK - ECN
Disney comics Digest V98 #175 (again!)
Message 303 -
1998-07-27 at 11:18:55
RICH:
[Re: Princess Oona]
>She had a crush on Donald and lkes to sleep in Bolivar's doghouse.
She's
>been in at least 3 stories, but I'm really not sure if she has
encountered
>Scrooge now that I think more about it.
She did - in the second one.
Writer (and cohort of mine) Unn Printz-P=E5hlson tells me that a
fourth Oona story is currently in the works. We can expect it next =
year.
And there will be more, so the mini-series will continue!
[Re: Minima de Spell]=09
> Minima de Spell is her English name, while Nocina was one of her
> Italiannames. In America her physical appearance was even changed to
> resemble Magica's (black hair, etc.).
Actually, I believe she originates in Jim Fletcher's stories of
the 1960s, which were made in America (even if not published there), =
and
there she has the earlier appearance.
[Re: Emil Eagle's nephew]
At Egmont, we say his name is Egret Heron, but I have *never*
seen anything that actually verifies this.
FRANCOIS:
I am personally relieved that there isn't a character named
Money Quack. ;-)
David Gerstein
<(Email removed)>
[Re: Princess Oona]
>She had a crush on Donald and lkes to sleep in Bolivar's doghouse.
She's
>been in at least 3 stories, but I'm really not sure if she has
encountered
>Scrooge now that I think more about it.
She did - in the second one.
Writer (and cohort of mine) Unn Printz-P=E5hlson tells me that a
fourth Oona story is currently in the works. We can expect it next =
year.
And there will be more, so the mini-series will continue!
[Re: Minima de Spell]=09
> Minima de Spell is her English name, while Nocina was one of her
> Italiannames. In America her physical appearance was even changed to
> resemble Magica's (black hair, etc.).
Actually, I believe she originates in Jim Fletcher's stories of
the 1960s, which were made in America (even if not published there), =
and
there she has the earlier appearance.
[Re: Emil Eagle's nephew]
At Egmont, we say his name is Egret Heron, but I have *never*
seen anything that actually verifies this.
FRANCOIS:
I am personally relieved that there isn't a character named
Money Quack. ;-)
David Gerstein
<(Email removed)>
Tristan Havelick
Disney comics Digest V98 #173
Message 304 -
1998-07-27 at 12:17:54
All this Talk about Digital Comics reminds me of something... I not only
collect comics. I also collect classic video games. (I ussually go through
Phases... I will collect comics for a few months, then games etc. luckily I
have a subscription to US so I don't miss any new stuff during gaming
periods.) Well, about 6 months ago I was intoduced to emulators. Nifty
little programs that allow you to play actual console games on you computer.
Well, soon afterward, I had over 2000 games for various systems. I soon
found that instead of playing one game for a few hours; I'd spend about 30
seconds on each game.
Because the games were free, and so easily accessable, the thrill of
collection and appriciation went WAY down. Ever since then, I haven't
really played a single classic video game emulated or not.
Anyway, I do have a point. Legality aside, If we were to do something like
the Barks CDs, the hobby would die. I just read a message inwhich someone
mentioned that they counted no more than 5 beagles / panel and 15 #'s. Does
anyone really think they would spend the time to examine a detail to this
extent, if all of us had digital full sets of Walt Disney comics? I doubt
it. Scarcity is a good thing. It creates an appriciation that would
otherwise be non-existant
Rich Bellacera:
About the Ducks being born or hatched:
I remember seeing an episode of DuckTales when I was a kid (yes, Im only
19), inwhich Scrooge and his nephews found a fountain of youth whereby thier
reflections would reflect thier past appearances. HD&L appeared as eggs.
BTW - My apologies if this was a comic before it was an episode of
DuckTales. Thats just what I remember.
collect comics. I also collect classic video games. (I ussually go through
Phases... I will collect comics for a few months, then games etc. luckily I
have a subscription to US so I don't miss any new stuff during gaming
periods.) Well, about 6 months ago I was intoduced to emulators. Nifty
little programs that allow you to play actual console games on you computer.
Well, soon afterward, I had over 2000 games for various systems. I soon
found that instead of playing one game for a few hours; I'd spend about 30
seconds on each game.
Because the games were free, and so easily accessable, the thrill of
collection and appriciation went WAY down. Ever since then, I haven't
really played a single classic video game emulated or not.
Anyway, I do have a point. Legality aside, If we were to do something like
the Barks CDs, the hobby would die. I just read a message inwhich someone
mentioned that they counted no more than 5 beagles / panel and 15 #'s. Does
anyone really think they would spend the time to examine a detail to this
extent, if all of us had digital full sets of Walt Disney comics? I doubt
it. Scarcity is a good thing. It creates an appriciation that would
otherwise be non-existant
Rich Bellacera:
About the Ducks being born or hatched:
I remember seeing an episode of DuckTales when I was a kid (yes, Im only
19), inwhich Scrooge and his nephews found a fountain of youth whereby thier
reflections would reflect thier past appearances. HD&L appeared as eggs.
BTW - My apologies if this was a comic before it was an episode of
DuckTales. Thats just what I remember.
Fluks, H.W.
Penny Wise
Message 305 -
1998-07-27 at 14:16:22
Katie:
>> What about miss Penny Wise?
> Was she the old dogface in the story with the mutant bread dough? I don't
> remember any romantic attachment there. Refresh my memory?
You're right, she wasn't "emotionally" involved with Scrooge. Though in
the German translation, Scrooge says (after the dough disaster): "When
will be the wedding?"
--Harry.
>> What about miss Penny Wise?
> Was she the old dogface in the story with the mutant bread dough? I don't
> remember any romantic attachment there. Refresh my memory?
You're right, she wasn't "emotionally" involved with Scrooge. Though in
the German translation, Scrooge says (after the dough disaster): "When
will be the wedding?"
--Harry.
Marco Barlotti
Rockerduck
Message 306 -
1998-07-27 at 14:16:46
SOEREN (on Rockerduck):
>However, I went through Marco's Almanacco index, and
>found that his first Italian appearance was Bordini's
>I AT 75-A (1963). My question is: Was this Rockerduck's
>*second* world wide appearance? In that case I would
>be happy to see, what he looked like (hair/glasses).
I'd bet quite a few Euros that this WAS indeed Rockerduck's second
appearance... though of course I can't be sure.
His look was NOT VERY DIFFERENT from Barks', allowance given for Bordini's
style (ehm...)
I'm sorry but I won't be able to make a scan for you until next September...
will you remind me then, should you still need it? ;-)
Marco
("almost" on holiday...)
>However, I went through Marco's Almanacco index, and
>found that his first Italian appearance was Bordini's
>I AT 75-A (1963). My question is: Was this Rockerduck's
>*second* world wide appearance? In that case I would
>be happy to see, what he looked like (hair/glasses).
I'd bet quite a few Euros that this WAS indeed Rockerduck's second
appearance... though of course I can't be sure.
His look was NOT VERY DIFFERENT from Barks', allowance given for Bordini's
style (ehm...)
I'm sorry but I won't be able to make a scan for you until next September...
will you remind me then, should you still need it? ;-)
Marco
("almost" on holiday...)
Claudio Eckert
French and/or german Gryo story?
Message 307 -
1998-07-27 at 21:47:16
FRANCOIS:
<<I don't know what "Weckprobleme" means (problem to wake up?)>>
Yes, you got it! Thanks for the answer.
<<The story in MM could possibly be the 1st one, F JM 88223.>>
Description:
The story in MM 89-24 is about Gyro building a metallic cock, because he
don't like to wake up with the terrible sound of his alarm-clock any
longer.
- Claudio
<<I don't know what "Weckprobleme" means (problem to wake up?)>>
Yes, you got it! Thanks for the answer.
<<The story in MM could possibly be the 1st one, F JM 88223.>>
Description:
The story in MM 89-24 is about Gyro building a metallic cock, because he
don't like to wake up with the terrible sound of his alarm-clock any
longer.
- Claudio
Anders Chr. Sivebæk
Day 1 of my trip - 17th july
Message 308 -
1998-07-27 at 22:39:27
We started off at 12 midnight.
On the ferry I bought that weeks Issue of
Kalle Anka & C:o (Swedish Disney Weekly).
They are one hour ahead of the Danish magazine.
Along with a great fish-story by William van Horn,
a funny wallpaper-expert story, and a ufo-story,
it also contained Duckburg News (a fictiv newspaper)
and a new page, the Time Mashine. That was about
the same magazine in 1957. I've seen this page before,
and it is there because this magazine has it's 50 years
jubilee this year in september.
(Could any of you tell me on which date?).
At a gas-station in Sweden I bought a 100 page
pocket-book called Uncle $crooge. I haven't read the stories
yet, but I wondered why he is called "paternal uncle"?
More about that in another mail
Driving through Sweeden we heard a radio program on
swedish program 4. It was with some woman interwieving
Anders Berglund, a sweedish donaldist. He told the listeners
about Donald (Or Kalle Anka as they call him in Sweeden)
through the years (This was again because of that jubilee).
He told of the melancholy of the 40'es, the optimism and
love of adventure from the 50'es. Donald keeps up with time
he told, he's modern; but of course he mentioned the good
comics artist Barks too, and they talked about what great
importance he has had to the scandinavian magazines. He
said that Donald has a heart of gold. The cause that the swedish
love Donald, should be the things they have in common, the
eternal push (and maybe hot-tempered-ness?) If any of
you know mr. berglund, say him thanks for an informative program
At a gas-staion in Norway I bought a collection of 3 Beagle-Boys
pocket-books from 1988. It is called $crooge Pocket,
it has 288 pages, and contains Italian series, like every
pocket-book I bought (at least I think so). There's many good stories in
it.
One is about Mickey who meets two of his old friends, a professor, and a
guy who looks like a car-mechanic. I would like to know what their names
are in english? (In norwegian the mechanic is named the little one, but he
is not small!). I also bought a non-Disney-comics, so that should not be
mentioned here.
Yours Anders Christian - (Email removed)
--------------------------------
End of Disney comics Digest V98 Issue #176
******************************************
On the ferry I bought that weeks Issue of
Kalle Anka & C:o (Swedish Disney Weekly).
They are one hour ahead of the Danish magazine.
Along with a great fish-story by William van Horn,
a funny wallpaper-expert story, and a ufo-story,
it also contained Duckburg News (a fictiv newspaper)
and a new page, the Time Mashine. That was about
the same magazine in 1957. I've seen this page before,
and it is there because this magazine has it's 50 years
jubilee this year in september.
(Could any of you tell me on which date?).
At a gas-station in Sweden I bought a 100 page
pocket-book called Uncle $crooge. I haven't read the stories
yet, but I wondered why he is called "paternal uncle"?
More about that in another mail
Driving through Sweeden we heard a radio program on
swedish program 4. It was with some woman interwieving
Anders Berglund, a sweedish donaldist. He told the listeners
about Donald (Or Kalle Anka as they call him in Sweeden)
through the years (This was again because of that jubilee).
He told of the melancholy of the 40'es, the optimism and
love of adventure from the 50'es. Donald keeps up with time
he told, he's modern; but of course he mentioned the good
comics artist Barks too, and they talked about what great
importance he has had to the scandinavian magazines. He
said that Donald has a heart of gold. The cause that the swedish
love Donald, should be the things they have in common, the
eternal push (and maybe hot-tempered-ness?) If any of
you know mr. berglund, say him thanks for an informative program
At a gas-staion in Norway I bought a collection of 3 Beagle-Boys
pocket-books from 1988. It is called $crooge Pocket,
it has 288 pages, and contains Italian series, like every
pocket-book I bought (at least I think so). There's many good stories in
it.
One is about Mickey who meets two of his old friends, a professor, and a
guy who looks like a car-mechanic. I would like to know what their names
are in english? (In norwegian the mechanic is named the little one, but he
is not small!). I also bought a non-Disney-comics, so that should not be
mentioned here.
Yours Anders Christian - (Email removed)
--------------------------------
End of Disney comics Digest V98 Issue #176
******************************************
Anders Chr. Sivebæk
Hello again friends
Message 309 -
1998-07-27 at 22:39:54
Hello again everybody, I'm back from Norway/Sweeden.
before I left I received a list that I did
not answer too, but there where something
that struck me.
Lynne, Illinois:
AMJ are not Minnies nieces, they are Ducks
(like Daisy), and not mice like Minnie.
Actually I just found them at our own web
pages!
Millie and Melody appear in one story
WD Digest no. 35.
Molly is the other annoying niece, which
is named Musse in Danish (Mus is mouse
in Danish!), where does she appear?
A new memmber asked about "Donald Problem page".
Of course I should have mentioned that!
It was a page in the Danish Disney Weekly,
where Donald (Some editor) answered on comics-
questions from the readers. Many charecters
had a page: Magica had a magic page, Goofy
had one with great ideas and recepies.
There also were a page wich were about a new
charecter every time.
Argus McSchwein:
I've been wondering, the inventor of the asbest gloves,
who appears in "The Loony Lunar Gold Rush" (US 49) by Barks,
is that one of his appearances. What about Sopay Slick,
the Pig from Yukon Territory, who in "North of the Yukon" (US 59),
tried to get $'s billions, and who appeared in Don's "Last Sled
to Dawson". Is this guy in some way a variation of the same
person/charecter (McSchwein)?
If not, did Don make any stroies with McSchein,
apart from that Yukon Guy?
The next mails from me will be about my very
Disney-comics-concentrated (Sorry, Mom) trip to
Norway and Sweeden
Anders Christian - (Email removed)
before I left I received a list that I did
not answer too, but there where something
that struck me.
Lynne, Illinois:
AMJ are not Minnies nieces, they are Ducks
(like Daisy), and not mice like Minnie.
Actually I just found them at our own web
pages!
Millie and Melody appear in one story
WD Digest no. 35.
Molly is the other annoying niece, which
is named Musse in Danish (Mus is mouse
in Danish!), where does she appear?
A new memmber asked about "Donald Problem page".
Of course I should have mentioned that!
It was a page in the Danish Disney Weekly,
where Donald (Some editor) answered on comics-
questions from the readers. Many charecters
had a page: Magica had a magic page, Goofy
had one with great ideas and recepies.
There also were a page wich were about a new
charecter every time.
Argus McSchwein:
I've been wondering, the inventor of the asbest gloves,
who appears in "The Loony Lunar Gold Rush" (US 49) by Barks,
is that one of his appearances. What about Sopay Slick,
the Pig from Yukon Territory, who in "North of the Yukon" (US 59),
tried to get $'s billions, and who appeared in Don's "Last Sled
to Dawson". Is this guy in some way a variation of the same
person/charecter (McSchwein)?
If not, did Don make any stroies with McSchein,
apart from that Yukon Guy?
The next mails from me will be about my very
Disney-comics-concentrated (Sorry, Mom) trip to
Norway and Sweeden
Anders Christian - (Email removed)
Donald D. Markstein
Disney comics Digest V98 #176
Message 310 -
1998-07-28 at 00:56:36
JUHANA K KOUHIA --
>> "I'm really disappointed to find that Disney has
>> sensored many stories. . . . a text "shows you can't
>> trust these watches from the workers' paradise!" is
>> changed to "shows you can't trust these cheap watches
>> made by McDuck enterprises"."
Is this censorship, or simply a form of
translation? My guess would be the latter. If I were
translating that story, I would be on the lookout for
topical references that my readers couldn't be expected
to understand, and would translate those references into
terms that are meaningful to them. How many young
people -- and young people DO make up the bulk of the
audience -- are likely to understand the term "workers'
paradise"? Not very many; in fact, it's likely a
majority learned to read after the phrase fell out of
use in any context except historical. I would naturally
replace it with something they DO understand -- not for
motives relating in any way to politics or a desire to
protect them from certain types of material, but simply
to maintain the story's ability to fulfill its primary
purpose, i.e., to entertain. A reference to Scrooge
McDuck's penny-pinching ways fills the bill.
It might be different if I were translating for
adult collectors, who could be expected to understand
the term and its historic context, and be entertained
thereby. But for the audience the book is aimed at, the
way it was done is entirely appropriate.
We've been through this before -- quite recently,
in fact. Translation for a popular medium is different
from scholarly translation -- and ordinary editing is
different from censorship.
DON ROSA --
I bow to superior knowledge -- i.e., the guy who
actually went to the trouble of making the measurement,
as opposed to the lazy slob who simply estimated.
Your notes on what you excluded from measurement
bring up another question. Perhaps it's unfair to
compare inches of digest-size comics or album-size
comics with inches of regular-size ones, and I can see
that as a basis for not including parts of your
collection in the measurement. (Personally, I have
less of an attachment to the "traditional" pamphlet-
style comic book than many American collectors, so
fairness in page size would be, to me at least, the
best criterion for exclusion.)
So -- maybe the best way to compare our
collections would be VOLUME. I won't suggest that the
best unit of measurement would be the cubic acre, but
it's a thought . . .
(Of course, this doesn't take into account the
fact that many of those digests or albums reprint
regular comics, and therefore the page might be the
best way to compare, because many don't, and that
would mean the best unit of comparison would be the
panel. But I'm not even going to ESTIMATE the size of
my collection on THAT basis.)
TRISTAN HAVELICK --
I don't think you can generalize from your own
experiences. If cheap, easy availability of games
caused you to lose interest in them, that doesn't
mean the same would happen to comics. Your experience
is that of a collector, whereas most people who buy
the comics are just readers.
I say "just" readers not to disparage their
interest, but to define its limits. Personally, I
think readers of comics are a lot more important
than collectors to the continued viability of the
art form, just as players are more important than
collectors in the case of games. And readers aren't
concerned with scarcity -- they just want a good
story. If the stories are good, the fact that they're
easily available will only mean they can be enjoyed
by more people.
>> "I just read a message inwhich someone mentioned that
>> they counted no more than 5 beagles / panel and 15 #'s.
>> Does anyone really think they would spend the time to
>> examine a detail to this extent, if all of us had
>> digital full sets of Walt Disney comics? I doubt it.
>> Scarcity is a good thing. It creates an appriciation
>> that would otherwise be non-existant"
That would be me. And I can tell you right here
and now, scarcity had nothing to do with it. I took that
information from a Gladstone album, rather than going to
the trouble of digging it out of my collection of first
printings -- and as far as this list, at least, is
concerned, Gladstone albums are far from scarce. I
wasn't showing off something I have that others don't
-- I merely pulled it off the shelf to verify and
quantify something I remembered from having read and
reread the story so many times. And that relates to
how GOOD the story is, not how scarce.
Quack, Don
>> "I'm really disappointed to find that Disney has
>> sensored many stories. . . . a text "shows you can't
>> trust these watches from the workers' paradise!" is
>> changed to "shows you can't trust these cheap watches
>> made by McDuck enterprises"."
Is this censorship, or simply a form of
translation? My guess would be the latter. If I were
translating that story, I would be on the lookout for
topical references that my readers couldn't be expected
to understand, and would translate those references into
terms that are meaningful to them. How many young
people -- and young people DO make up the bulk of the
audience -- are likely to understand the term "workers'
paradise"? Not very many; in fact, it's likely a
majority learned to read after the phrase fell out of
use in any context except historical. I would naturally
replace it with something they DO understand -- not for
motives relating in any way to politics or a desire to
protect them from certain types of material, but simply
to maintain the story's ability to fulfill its primary
purpose, i.e., to entertain. A reference to Scrooge
McDuck's penny-pinching ways fills the bill.
It might be different if I were translating for
adult collectors, who could be expected to understand
the term and its historic context, and be entertained
thereby. But for the audience the book is aimed at, the
way it was done is entirely appropriate.
We've been through this before -- quite recently,
in fact. Translation for a popular medium is different
from scholarly translation -- and ordinary editing is
different from censorship.
DON ROSA --
I bow to superior knowledge -- i.e., the guy who
actually went to the trouble of making the measurement,
as opposed to the lazy slob who simply estimated.
Your notes on what you excluded from measurement
bring up another question. Perhaps it's unfair to
compare inches of digest-size comics or album-size
comics with inches of regular-size ones, and I can see
that as a basis for not including parts of your
collection in the measurement. (Personally, I have
less of an attachment to the "traditional" pamphlet-
style comic book than many American collectors, so
fairness in page size would be, to me at least, the
best criterion for exclusion.)
So -- maybe the best way to compare our
collections would be VOLUME. I won't suggest that the
best unit of measurement would be the cubic acre, but
it's a thought . . .
(Of course, this doesn't take into account the
fact that many of those digests or albums reprint
regular comics, and therefore the page might be the
best way to compare, because many don't, and that
would mean the best unit of comparison would be the
panel. But I'm not even going to ESTIMATE the size of
my collection on THAT basis.)
TRISTAN HAVELICK --
I don't think you can generalize from your own
experiences. If cheap, easy availability of games
caused you to lose interest in them, that doesn't
mean the same would happen to comics. Your experience
is that of a collector, whereas most people who buy
the comics are just readers.
I say "just" readers not to disparage their
interest, but to define its limits. Personally, I
think readers of comics are a lot more important
than collectors to the continued viability of the
art form, just as players are more important than
collectors in the case of games. And readers aren't
concerned with scarcity -- they just want a good
story. If the stories are good, the fact that they're
easily available will only mean they can be enjoyed
by more people.
>> "I just read a message inwhich someone mentioned that
>> they counted no more than 5 beagles / panel and 15 #'s.
>> Does anyone really think they would spend the time to
>> examine a detail to this extent, if all of us had
>> digital full sets of Walt Disney comics? I doubt it.
>> Scarcity is a good thing. It creates an appriciation
>> that would otherwise be non-existant"
That would be me. And I can tell you right here
and now, scarcity had nothing to do with it. I took that
information from a Gladstone album, rather than going to
the trouble of digging it out of my collection of first
printings -- and as far as this list, at least, is
concerned, Gladstone albums are far from scarce. I
wasn't showing off something I have that others don't
-- I merely pulled it off the shelf to verify and
quantify something I remembered from having read and
reread the story so many times. And that relates to
how GOOD the story is, not how scarce.
Quack, Don
Anders Chr. Sivebæk
Gold Books and Phantom Blot
Message 311 -
1998-07-28 at 02:27:04
Just a note from Anders Christian
Stefan Dios wrote to Birte:
Thanks for telling me! But not for ## 3, 4, and 5, eh? Just curious... Also
thanks to Vidar for informing me that Jon Gisle did the Norwegian ones.
I copied those prefaces once when I did an "assigment"
(or whatever, report maybe) on Disney. You also wrote
the one for number 3. There aren't any credits for number
4 and 5, but they could be made by you. (4: Carl Barks
at good shape, anf 5: genuine genious and good monsters
(ref. to snowman))
The preface for number 6, 7, 8, 9, 10 were by the before-
mentioned Donaldist Steffen Kronborg.
Henry Notaker, whoever he is?, wrote the preface for number 11
By the way, interesting discussion you had about the
phantom blot and Walter Elias Disney. Suddenly
I cannot remember his name in Danish!!!
Could any of you scan a panel with the famous stupid
Molly oops... Melody and send it to Per so that we
can all see it at the charecter pages?
(Email removed)
Stefan Dios wrote to Birte:
Thanks for telling me! But not for ## 3, 4, and 5, eh? Just curious... Also
thanks to Vidar for informing me that Jon Gisle did the Norwegian ones.
I copied those prefaces once when I did an "assigment"
(or whatever, report maybe) on Disney. You also wrote
the one for number 3. There aren't any credits for number
4 and 5, but they could be made by you. (4: Carl Barks
at good shape, anf 5: genuine genious and good monsters
(ref. to snowman))
The preface for number 6, 7, 8, 9, 10 were by the before-
mentioned Donaldist Steffen Kronborg.
Henry Notaker, whoever he is?, wrote the preface for number 11
By the way, interesting discussion you had about the
phantom blot and Walter Elias Disney. Suddenly
I cannot remember his name in Danish!!!
Could any of you scan a panel with the famous stupid
Molly oops... Melody and send it to Per so that we
can all see it at the charecter pages?
(Email removed)
Kyrimis
Disney comics Digest V98 #176
Message 312 -
1998-07-28 at 10:25:03
DON:
> .......What's more important is to realize that
> the word "bookkeepping" has 4 consecutive double-letters! Wow. Far out.
Um... It actually contains three consecutive double-letters and one typo!
(Why do I feel I missed the joke here?)
Kriton (e-mail: (Email removed))
(WWW: http://cti.gr/~kyrimis
-----
"Need a genius to unravel it..."
"But you *are* a genius!"
"Oh, yes! I definitely remember that!"
-----
> .......What's more important is to realize that
> the word "bookkeepping" has 4 consecutive double-letters! Wow. Far out.
Um... It actually contains three consecutive double-letters and one typo!
(Why do I feel I missed the joke here?)
Kriton (e-mail: (Email removed))
(WWW: http://cti.gr/~kyrimis
-----
"Need a genius to unravel it..."
"But you *are* a genius!"
"Oh, yes! I definitely remember that!"
-----
Soeren Krarup Olesen
Rockerduck II
Message 313 -
1998-07-28 at 10:51:06
Eta Beta:
Thanks a lot for the pictures of Rockerduck. They
show exacly what I was interested in. In fact one
can see all "phases" of Rockerduck here--both Barks'
and the later character with big glasses and "sideburn"
whiskers. The picture showing the quarrel between
US and Rockerduck looks extremely familiar, almost
Perego like, but I couldn't really place it (?!)
Could I BTW put the four pictures on my homepage, as
an example of Bordini art? I am sure many non-Italians
out there would be interested.
Soeren
Thanks a lot for the pictures of Rockerduck. They
show exacly what I was interested in. In fact one
can see all "phases" of Rockerduck here--both Barks'
and the later character with big glasses and "sideburn"
whiskers. The picture showing the quarrel between
US and Rockerduck looks extremely familiar, almost
Perego like, but I couldn't really place it (?!)
Could I BTW put the four pictures on my homepage, as
an example of Bordini art? I am sure many non-Italians
out there would be interested.
Soeren
Anders Chr. Sivebæk
Day 1 and 2/17th - 18th july
Message 314 -
1998-07-28 at 13:12:22
Continuation from last time:
By the way it should also be said that I too bought the
Norwegian Donald Duck & Co. (Weekly) on the same
day. It contained a great snow-in-july-story by vicar,
An old Paul Murry story, and a very wished story with
Goofy's nephew Gilbert (Ferdinand in Norway).
(If someone would like to find out about that "little guy"
from the $crooge Pocket, it's number 91 and the story
code is I-1373-B, he appears on page 9.)
The next day i bought Mikke Mus (a monthly magazine
with Mickey and friends). The "gift" was a little "camera",
like the one Grandma Duck has in "Donald's Grandma
Duck" (VP 1 by Barks). The comic among othes has a
great expert-story (? should there be spoilers here?) where,
for a change, an elephant is the expert, he's an artist
and he gets in a fight with the lady, who later has to
say what painting is nicest! (D 96193)
By the way it should also be said that I too bought the
Norwegian Donald Duck & Co. (Weekly) on the same
day. It contained a great snow-in-july-story by vicar,
An old Paul Murry story, and a very wished story with
Goofy's nephew Gilbert (Ferdinand in Norway).
(If someone would like to find out about that "little guy"
from the $crooge Pocket, it's number 91 and the story
code is I-1373-B, he appears on page 9.)
The next day i bought Mikke Mus (a monthly magazine
with Mickey and friends). The "gift" was a little "camera",
like the one Grandma Duck has in "Donald's Grandma
Duck" (VP 1 by Barks). The comic among othes has a
great expert-story (? should there be spoilers here?) where,
for a change, an elephant is the expert, he's an artist
and he gets in a fight with the lady, who later has to
say what painting is nicest! (D 96193)
Anders Chr. Sivebæk
3rd day of my trip/19th july
Message 315 -
1998-07-28 at 13:14:37
That day I bought a pocket book. I've seen it in both
Denmark, Sweden and now Norway. It is named GP,
G or HK, these initials all meen Junior Woodchuck patrol,
or Junior Woodchuck Command.
That is of cource looking away from the fact that we
scandinaves has allways called them woodpeckers or
green woodpeckers. Actually I don't now if the swedish
"Groengoelingarne" means the same, or does it mean
green peas??? Well, after all this book contains what I
would call, at least Italian-inspired comics.
There's a future story too, and I do hope that they
hornor Barks' and Rosa's JW's in this book.
It contains some great editorials too. This time
(issue 6, 1998) it was about the scandinavian wikings
(how proud we are now!!)
Spoilers: The first story is about a sea monster,
the second one about fire danger in the woods, the third
one about HDL and JW in the future, and the fourth story
seems to be about those wikings, and Ludwig appears in it.
You'll hear from me soon Anders Christian - (Email removed)
Denmark, Sweden and now Norway. It is named GP,
G or HK, these initials all meen Junior Woodchuck patrol,
or Junior Woodchuck Command.
That is of cource looking away from the fact that we
scandinaves has allways called them woodpeckers or
green woodpeckers. Actually I don't now if the swedish
"Groengoelingarne" means the same, or does it mean
green peas??? Well, after all this book contains what I
would call, at least Italian-inspired comics.
There's a future story too, and I do hope that they
hornor Barks' and Rosa's JW's in this book.
It contains some great editorials too. This time
(issue 6, 1998) it was about the scandinavian wikings
(how proud we are now!!)
Spoilers: The first story is about a sea monster,
the second one about fire danger in the woods, the third
one about HDL and JW in the future, and the fourth story
seems to be about those wikings, and Ludwig appears in it.
You'll hear from me soon Anders Christian - (Email removed)