Stefan Dios:
>Back in the 80's I also wrote prefaces for the Swedish
>## 2 through 5, but I never knew if these texts were used outside of Sweden.
>Any Danes or Norwegians who can tell me what you've got in those early
>books?
In Norway those Books had a prefaces by Jon Gisle.
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Vidar Svendsen http://home.sol.no/~vidasven
And he said all those numbers
made him numb,
which (he thinks) is why
they're called numbers
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Topic: 199807
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Vidar Svendsen
Golden Books
Message 196 -
1998-07-19 at 20:02:24
Donald D. Markstein
Junkville Journal
Message 197 -
1998-07-19 at 20:30:05
PAOLO CASTAGNO --
>>"you lucky man! I *adore* your name!!!"
I didn't think so when I was in grade school, and everybody I met=
thought the cleverest thing in the world would be to say "What's the D
stand for -- Duck?" But it does come in handy as a byline for Disney
comics.
>> "If I'm not wrong Barks made the 10 pages stories a standard for *grea=
t*
stories"
"A standard for" might be going too far, but I don't entirely
disagree -- which is why I was careful to point out that Li'l Bad Wolf's
apparent limitations came from the fact that his stories are a MAXIMUM of=
10 pages. Barks did demonstrate that a good 10-page story is quite doable=
-- And indeed, as has been pointed out by David and myself, there are qui=
te
a few excellent Li'l Bad Wolf stories in that range. But the post I was
replying to compared the LBW shorts to much longer, more complex stories,=
and I did feel it necessary to point out the unfairness of the comparison=
=2E
If Barks had never done anything longer than 10 pages, he'd
probably be remembered as a very good cartoonist, because he produced an
excellent body of work in that range. But I doubt anyone would seriously
claim he was the greatest storyteller ever to work in American comic book=
s,
which, on the basis of his longer works, is what I DO claim.
Anyone trying to write a good Li'l Bad Wolf story is stuck with s=
ix
pages or less (even the 10-pagers are a thing of the past). And it's quit=
e
possible to write a good story in that range, as demonstrated over and ov=
er
in Egmont comics -- but that story will be about as complex as one of
Donald's fights with Neighbor Jones or squabbles with the Nephews. To say=
the character is limited because nobody has ever managed to cram as much
story into that space as has been done in the longer Duck epics is more
than a little unfair.
STEFAN DIOS --
I see your point about avoiding "Duck burnout" -- but my freelanc=
e
activities are varied enough that I don't think I have to do anything
special to avoid it. Oh, if only I DID have a single activity big enough =
to
pay my bills! I might be less frantic about grabbing money.
Anyway, I've got a lot of Disney work coming up in the next few
weeks, which is fine -- I spent a couple of months recently mostly workin=
g
on PIRATES!: The CD-ROM (an anthology of pirate-theme material of every
type, from paintings to shareware games, all digitized and handily locate=
d
on a single disk). During odd moments while I work on Mickey Mouse storie=
s,
I have new software to learn, so I can do a good job transferring family
albums to CD-ROM, which is what I'm scheduled to do next. Meanwhile, I'm
neglecting my novel, which is a shame, because I'd really like to have it=
done by about the first quarter of next year...
>> "Do I need to add that Gladstone Gander and Gus Goose are two of my
favorite Disney characters?"
I feel more like the Ants in a certain well-known Silly Symphony.=
Yes, by the way, it is official Egmont policy that Mickey Mouse lives in
Duckburg, but simply doesn't run into the Ducks very often. "Mouseton", a=
s
far as I know, came from the brief period when Disney did its own
publishing in the U.S., and is no longer used, tho not everybody seems
up-to-speed on that. Or maybe it's different in the Italian version, and
that's what has people confused. In any case, Mickey's home town in the
Egmont countries, and, I believe, in the U.S. (to the extent that he HAS =
a
home in the U.S.) is Duckburg.
Quack, Don
>>"you lucky man! I *adore* your name!!!"
I didn't think so when I was in grade school, and everybody I met=
thought the cleverest thing in the world would be to say "What's the D
stand for -- Duck?" But it does come in handy as a byline for Disney
comics.
>> "If I'm not wrong Barks made the 10 pages stories a standard for *grea=
t*
stories"
"A standard for" might be going too far, but I don't entirely
disagree -- which is why I was careful to point out that Li'l Bad Wolf's
apparent limitations came from the fact that his stories are a MAXIMUM of=
10 pages. Barks did demonstrate that a good 10-page story is quite doable=
-- And indeed, as has been pointed out by David and myself, there are qui=
te
a few excellent Li'l Bad Wolf stories in that range. But the post I was
replying to compared the LBW shorts to much longer, more complex stories,=
and I did feel it necessary to point out the unfairness of the comparison=
=2E
If Barks had never done anything longer than 10 pages, he'd
probably be remembered as a very good cartoonist, because he produced an
excellent body of work in that range. But I doubt anyone would seriously
claim he was the greatest storyteller ever to work in American comic book=
s,
which, on the basis of his longer works, is what I DO claim.
Anyone trying to write a good Li'l Bad Wolf story is stuck with s=
ix
pages or less (even the 10-pagers are a thing of the past). And it's quit=
e
possible to write a good story in that range, as demonstrated over and ov=
er
in Egmont comics -- but that story will be about as complex as one of
Donald's fights with Neighbor Jones or squabbles with the Nephews. To say=
the character is limited because nobody has ever managed to cram as much
story into that space as has been done in the longer Duck epics is more
than a little unfair.
STEFAN DIOS --
I see your point about avoiding "Duck burnout" -- but my freelanc=
e
activities are varied enough that I don't think I have to do anything
special to avoid it. Oh, if only I DID have a single activity big enough =
to
pay my bills! I might be less frantic about grabbing money.
Anyway, I've got a lot of Disney work coming up in the next few
weeks, which is fine -- I spent a couple of months recently mostly workin=
g
on PIRATES!: The CD-ROM (an anthology of pirate-theme material of every
type, from paintings to shareware games, all digitized and handily locate=
d
on a single disk). During odd moments while I work on Mickey Mouse storie=
s,
I have new software to learn, so I can do a good job transferring family
albums to CD-ROM, which is what I'm scheduled to do next. Meanwhile, I'm
neglecting my novel, which is a shame, because I'd really like to have it=
done by about the first quarter of next year...
>> "Do I need to add that Gladstone Gander and Gus Goose are two of my
favorite Disney characters?"
I feel more like the Ants in a certain well-known Silly Symphony.=
Yes, by the way, it is official Egmont policy that Mickey Mouse lives in
Duckburg, but simply doesn't run into the Ducks very often. "Mouseton", a=
s
far as I know, came from the brief period when Disney did its own
publishing in the U.S., and is no longer used, tho not everybody seems
up-to-speed on that. Or maybe it's different in the Italian version, and
that's what has people confused. In any case, Mickey's home town in the
Egmont countries, and, I believe, in the U.S. (to the extent that he HAS =
a
home in the U.S.) is Duckburg.
Quack, Don
Francois Willot
Most Various
Message 198 -
1998-07-19 at 20:35:27
ETA BETA:
>However, "our" own DcD database of Disney stories lists both of
>them with the correct spelling, "ALTACRAZ" and "MYTHTIC".
>
>But there's another case, again from Scarpa, where it's easy
>to misspell, "The Goat from ACATAPULCO" (not Acapulco), TL 348,
>29/7/62, and I'm afraid even the DcD goofed, here... ;-)
You're right. It means that the error is probably in the FSB too (and
maybe it's also in the Fossati index). BTW, in France the city is
spelled Acatapulco.
You didn't mention the famous story "Topolino imperatore della
Calidornia". Apparently, Calidornia and Calisota are two different
states in Italian Disney publications.
While I was looking at the DcD, I found another mistake: the appearance
of Iga Biva in the Altacraz story is not listed. He only appears in one
panel, so it was easy to miss him.
About the US translation of "Colossus of the Nile":
>The "revelation" in fact comes in the previous panel, in
>both the original and Gladstone, when the BB brag about
>how they fooled the ducks and DD, hiding behind a rock
>just comments "so..."
>
>The original Italian could literally translate as
>
>"Those patented devils! But to scot free they shouldn't have
>forgotten this gun!"
>
>As you see, Gladstone version is nearly identical, except
>for that bit of "over-explanation", if you want.
That's what I don't like very much. I don't like it when the characters
say something that the drawings already say (in the same panel or
before). And I prefer short dialogues (Barks had the same opinion, I
think). Beside that, the dialogues were written by Scarpa, and as other
readers, I'd prefer to see the "original" version.
>Hey! Can Somebody please give me the Last Balaboo's names
>in various languages ?
The name of the last Balab=F9 in France is "Barzalou".
Francois
(Vive les bleus)
>However, "our" own DcD database of Disney stories lists both of
>them with the correct spelling, "ALTACRAZ" and "MYTHTIC".
>
>But there's another case, again from Scarpa, where it's easy
>to misspell, "The Goat from ACATAPULCO" (not Acapulco), TL 348,
>29/7/62, and I'm afraid even the DcD goofed, here... ;-)
You're right. It means that the error is probably in the FSB too (and
maybe it's also in the Fossati index). BTW, in France the city is
spelled Acatapulco.
You didn't mention the famous story "Topolino imperatore della
Calidornia". Apparently, Calidornia and Calisota are two different
states in Italian Disney publications.
While I was looking at the DcD, I found another mistake: the appearance
of Iga Biva in the Altacraz story is not listed. He only appears in one
panel, so it was easy to miss him.
About the US translation of "Colossus of the Nile":
>The "revelation" in fact comes in the previous panel, in
>both the original and Gladstone, when the BB brag about
>how they fooled the ducks and DD, hiding behind a rock
>just comments "so..."
>
>The original Italian could literally translate as
>
>"Those patented devils! But to scot free they shouldn't have
>forgotten this gun!"
>
>As you see, Gladstone version is nearly identical, except
>for that bit of "over-explanation", if you want.
That's what I don't like very much. I don't like it when the characters
say something that the drawings already say (in the same panel or
before). And I prefer short dialogues (Barks had the same opinion, I
think). Beside that, the dialogues were written by Scarpa, and as other
readers, I'd prefer to see the "original" version.
>Hey! Can Somebody please give me the Last Balaboo's names
>in various languages ?
The name of the last Balab=F9 in France is "Barzalou".
Francois
(Vive les bleus)
Claudio Eckert
"Of Ducks and rhymes and Germany" :-)
Message 199 -
1998-07-19 at 23:03:32
Hello everybody!
This is my first "appearance" in the ML. (After lurking for a longer
time, though, and having learned a lot already.) I started collecting
the german "Micky Maus"-weekly at the age of 8. Now we are 20 years
later and I'm still buying it. Along with my other Disney comics this
makes about 280 inch. :-) As Don Markstein said: "I used to think that
was a lot..." But it's pretty enaugh and I know them all (well, almost
all) like Scrooge knows his money. Some of them even have a story about
them.
(By the way, a hello goes to both of the "Dons", Markstein and Rosa and
to Augie. Now I'm able to continue wasting your time by asking you
questings like I did at CompuServe before...<grin>)
Okay, here we go! I'd like to give you some german translations, if
someone is interested. (And please, excuse my bad english. Bad luck, I
moved some month ago and left my dictionary at the old place...)
The "SCREAMING COWBOY"
In the german version this song has only 3 lines and the flower is not
mentioned. The song is called "Der rührselige Cowboy". (Something like
"The blue cowboy".) Very close to the words PAOLO wrote:
"Und lieg' ich dereinst auf der Bahre,
(Once when I'd died)
dann denkt an meine Guitahre,
(remember my guitar)
und gebt sie mir mit in mein Grab"
(and bury it with me in my grave)
In "LENTILS FROM BABILONIA" Scrooge sings:
"Ach, wie ist es kalt geworden
(It's cold outside)
und so traurig, öd und leer,
(sad, lonely and empty)
Kalte Winde wehn von Norden
(cold north-wind blowing)
und die Sonne scheint nicht mehr."
(and no more sunshine) <sigh> :-)
THE MAN FROM ALTRACAZ
Anders:
>> I cannot answer that question about "the man from
>> Alcatraz", I don't even know the story, or where to find it.
>> I wonder if it has been published in Scandinavia.
Seems you know the german "Lustiges Taschenbuch". It's in No. 13 ("Micky
in Gefahr").
By the way: The mans name is "Moritz Mollton", his instrument is called
"Trichterfon" and the story was renamed to "Der Mann aus Ping-Pong" (a
gag word for sing-sing?)
Stefan Dios:
>> I noticed there's still some confusion about "Duckburg" and
>> "Mouseton" (Paperopoli/Topolinia, right?). American, Italian
>> and perhaps other readers should bear in mind that in
>> Scandinavia, and probably many other Disney-reading countries,
>> there is no distinction between the two.
In fact, that's the first time I hear from "Mouseton". In Germany we
have everbody living in ENTENHAUSEN (=Duckburg), too.
MINNIES NIECE(S)
Rich:
>>I'm curious as to where the name "Molly" comes from? I admit I am
>>lacking a few issues of Mickey Mouse & others from the 60s and 70s
>>where she may have appeared, but in all my research I have never
>>never found a reference to a Niece named "Molly"
I think, I remember "Molly" in 70s issues. If you like, I start a
search... (hopefully finding some story-codes, perhaps). I do remember
the twin-nieces, but can't recall their german names at the moment.
THE LAST BALABOO
Eta Beta: (nice Web-Site!)
This is called "Der letzte Gulu-Gulu" here. Gulu-Gulu is pure nonsense
and I remember a class-mate and me confusing some other kids a lot with
this silly word at school ... <grin>
Well, enaugh for this (first) time!
- Claudio -
Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com
This is my first "appearance" in the ML. (After lurking for a longer
time, though, and having learned a lot already.) I started collecting
the german "Micky Maus"-weekly at the age of 8. Now we are 20 years
later and I'm still buying it. Along with my other Disney comics this
makes about 280 inch. :-) As Don Markstein said: "I used to think that
was a lot..." But it's pretty enaugh and I know them all (well, almost
all) like Scrooge knows his money. Some of them even have a story about
them.
(By the way, a hello goes to both of the "Dons", Markstein and Rosa and
to Augie. Now I'm able to continue wasting your time by asking you
questings like I did at CompuServe before...<grin>)
Okay, here we go! I'd like to give you some german translations, if
someone is interested. (And please, excuse my bad english. Bad luck, I
moved some month ago and left my dictionary at the old place...)
The "SCREAMING COWBOY"
In the german version this song has only 3 lines and the flower is not
mentioned. The song is called "Der rührselige Cowboy". (Something like
"The blue cowboy".) Very close to the words PAOLO wrote:
"Und lieg' ich dereinst auf der Bahre,
(Once when I'd died)
dann denkt an meine Guitahre,
(remember my guitar)
und gebt sie mir mit in mein Grab"
(and bury it with me in my grave)
In "LENTILS FROM BABILONIA" Scrooge sings:
"Ach, wie ist es kalt geworden
(It's cold outside)
und so traurig, öd und leer,
(sad, lonely and empty)
Kalte Winde wehn von Norden
(cold north-wind blowing)
und die Sonne scheint nicht mehr."
(and no more sunshine) <sigh> :-)
THE MAN FROM ALTRACAZ
Anders:
>> I cannot answer that question about "the man from
>> Alcatraz", I don't even know the story, or where to find it.
>> I wonder if it has been published in Scandinavia.
Seems you know the german "Lustiges Taschenbuch". It's in No. 13 ("Micky
in Gefahr").
By the way: The mans name is "Moritz Mollton", his instrument is called
"Trichterfon" and the story was renamed to "Der Mann aus Ping-Pong" (a
gag word for sing-sing?)
Stefan Dios:
>> I noticed there's still some confusion about "Duckburg" and
>> "Mouseton" (Paperopoli/Topolinia, right?). American, Italian
>> and perhaps other readers should bear in mind that in
>> Scandinavia, and probably many other Disney-reading countries,
>> there is no distinction between the two.
In fact, that's the first time I hear from "Mouseton". In Germany we
have everbody living in ENTENHAUSEN (=Duckburg), too.
MINNIES NIECE(S)
Rich:
>>I'm curious as to where the name "Molly" comes from? I admit I am
>>lacking a few issues of Mickey Mouse & others from the 60s and 70s
>>where she may have appeared, but in all my research I have never
>>never found a reference to a Niece named "Molly"
I think, I remember "Molly" in 70s issues. If you like, I start a
search... (hopefully finding some story-codes, perhaps). I do remember
the twin-nieces, but can't recall their german names at the moment.
THE LAST BALABOO
Eta Beta: (nice Web-Site!)
This is called "Der letzte Gulu-Gulu" here. Gulu-Gulu is pure nonsense
and I remember a class-mate and me confusing some other kids a lot with
this silly word at school ... <grin>
Well, enaugh for this (first) time!
- Claudio -
Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com
Lynneb56
Duck Champ
Message 200 -
1998-07-19 at 23:46:35
<<In my last message I mistyped a number: I actually have 1775
inches (which I believe is close to 150 feet) of back-to-back
Disney books. Are you still trying to make your stacks stand
without avalanching when you try to reach the measuring tape?
Or can I consider myself "the duck champ"? :-) >>
OK, is that "back-to-back" as in north-south to north-south? or east-west to
east-west? (height vs. width)
I shall count my comics and then multiply by the height or width. Then we'll
be comparing apples with apples.
Lynne in Illinois
inches (which I believe is close to 150 feet) of back-to-back
Disney books. Are you still trying to make your stacks stand
without avalanching when you try to reach the measuring tape?
Or can I consider myself "the duck champ"? :-) >>
OK, is that "back-to-back" as in north-south to north-south? or east-west to
east-west? (height vs. width)
I shall count my comics and then multiply by the height or width. Then we'll
be comparing apples with apples.
Lynne in Illinois
Lynneb56
Barks collectors
Message 201 -
1998-07-19 at 23:49:25
<< Also it seems that collecting Barks comics is a man's hobby, there are
very few women around. Why? >>
Well, I'm a Barks collector and a woman. However the original subscriptions
(back from 40s, 50s, 60s) were my father's. He was a man.
Lynne in Illinois
very few women around. Why? >>
Well, I'm a Barks collector and a woman. However the original subscriptions
(back from 40s, 50s, 60s) were my father's. He was a man.
Lynne in Illinois
Lynneb56
Collecting
Message 202 -
1998-07-20 at 00:00:15
KRITON writes
<<Scrooge and Glomgold's string collecting reminded me of something
my father (and presumably others) used to do: chocolate wrapper
collection:>>
And I collected gum wrappers. Green Doublemint wrappers to be precise. There
was a way to fold them and hook them together. And it seemed that collecting
these had something to do about boyfriends.
Lynne in Illinois
<<Scrooge and Glomgold's string collecting reminded me of something
my father (and presumably others) used to do: chocolate wrapper
collection:>>
And I collected gum wrappers. Green Doublemint wrappers to be precise. There
was a way to fold them and hook them together. And it seemed that collecting
these had something to do about boyfriends.
Lynne in Illinois
Lynneb56
Nephews, nieces and PARENTS!
Message 203 -
1998-07-20 at 00:08:34
All this talk about Minnie and Daisy's nieces and Donald's nephews. I began
thinking. Hmmmm.
Who are the parents? Are HD&L Donald's brother's or sister's children? Or
maybe he was married in a past life and these are his former wife's nephews.
Though I can't imagine any duck-woman marrying Donald. And speaking of
marrying.... Have there been any inter-species marriages? Have there been
any marriages at all? Of course, there are children -- and Donald has an
Uncle (was that paternal or maternal?).
Inquiring minds need to know.
Lynne in Illinois
thinking. Hmmmm.
Who are the parents? Are HD&L Donald's brother's or sister's children? Or
maybe he was married in a past life and these are his former wife's nephews.
Though I can't imagine any duck-woman marrying Donald. And speaking of
marrying.... Have there been any inter-species marriages? Have there been
any marriages at all? Of course, there are children -- and Donald has an
Uncle (was that paternal or maternal?).
Inquiring minds need to know.
Lynne in Illinois
Henning Reichstein
I could have been a contender
Message 204 -
1998-07-20 at 05:49:16
I'm definitely not as clever as Goofy's niece, Gilberta,
when it comes to arithmetics. I was indeed correct
when I first claimed my collection to consist of 775
(seven hundred and seventy five) inches: about 65
feet, or 20 meters. Ducks, mice, and secondary
litterature all together - un-boosted by other material:
you don't want to hear about the (almost) complete
Dr.Strange collection I bought recently or the other
sooper gooper comics I used to read before I grew up.
(I can still beat you hands down, Kriton! :-)
I'm surprised that Don claims there are only about 20
feet of American Disney comics published; I have, say,
8 feet and only a handfull from from the pre-reprint age,
i.e. before 1970. There must be more than that!
I suppose you didn't include the looong Gladstone album
series or even the CBLinB/W (if any Gladstone/Disney)?
But I'm not too worried about an American taking the title
anymore, and consider myself undefeated, until someone
seriously out-vaults me.
Thanks to everyone contributing to my little survey, keep
the results coming in.
Is there a mathematician in the audience? Let me know
when the statistical data are numerous and representative
enough to estimate the total length of the dcd members'
collected source material.
Wilmer beat me to it with the unknown Daisy nieces, so
let me add that in Denmark HD&L are "Rip, Rap og Rup".
Chip'n'Dale are called "Chip & Chap", so obviously there's
a chipmunk by the name of "Chup" too. Incidentally that's
the name of our cat, since he's orange/brown and likes
running up trees!
Minnie's third niece gained her undeserved fame in Jon
Gisle's ground-breaking work "Donaldismen" in 1973, and
even had an -ism (the book is full of them) named after her:
"Tonism" from her Norwegian name "Tone". Sadly I don't
have any copies of the book anymore, so I can't check the
references, but I recall the picture of her showing the black
angles extending into her face around the eyes (are you
with me?) having a distinct swirl, like a curly hairlock.
I don't remember the other nieces having that.
I too would like Gladstone to publish one more comic
book, with the name Donald Duck. It's really strange not
to have a book to his name anymore. And could you
maybe have "& Mickey Mouse" in itsy-bitsy letters below
without anybody noticing?
Ole Reichstein Nielsen <(Email removed)>
--------------------------------
End of Disney comics Digest V98 Issue #169
******************************************
when it comes to arithmetics. I was indeed correct
when I first claimed my collection to consist of 775
(seven hundred and seventy five) inches: about 65
feet, or 20 meters. Ducks, mice, and secondary
litterature all together - un-boosted by other material:
you don't want to hear about the (almost) complete
Dr.Strange collection I bought recently or the other
sooper gooper comics I used to read before I grew up.
(I can still beat you hands down, Kriton! :-)
I'm surprised that Don claims there are only about 20
feet of American Disney comics published; I have, say,
8 feet and only a handfull from from the pre-reprint age,
i.e. before 1970. There must be more than that!
I suppose you didn't include the looong Gladstone album
series or even the CBLinB/W (if any Gladstone/Disney)?
But I'm not too worried about an American taking the title
anymore, and consider myself undefeated, until someone
seriously out-vaults me.
Thanks to everyone contributing to my little survey, keep
the results coming in.
Is there a mathematician in the audience? Let me know
when the statistical data are numerous and representative
enough to estimate the total length of the dcd members'
collected source material.
Wilmer beat me to it with the unknown Daisy nieces, so
let me add that in Denmark HD&L are "Rip, Rap og Rup".
Chip'n'Dale are called "Chip & Chap", so obviously there's
a chipmunk by the name of "Chup" too. Incidentally that's
the name of our cat, since he's orange/brown and likes
running up trees!
Minnie's third niece gained her undeserved fame in Jon
Gisle's ground-breaking work "Donaldismen" in 1973, and
even had an -ism (the book is full of them) named after her:
"Tonism" from her Norwegian name "Tone". Sadly I don't
have any copies of the book anymore, so I can't check the
references, but I recall the picture of her showing the black
angles extending into her face around the eyes (are you
with me?) having a distinct swirl, like a curly hairlock.
I don't remember the other nieces having that.
I too would like Gladstone to publish one more comic
book, with the name Donald Duck. It's really strange not
to have a book to his name anymore. And could you
maybe have "& Mickey Mouse" in itsy-bitsy letters below
without anybody noticing?
Ole Reichstein Nielsen <(Email removed)>
--------------------------------
End of Disney comics Digest V98 Issue #169
******************************************
Paolo Castagno
Inter-species marriages
Message 205 -
1998-07-20 at 10:47:15
Hi,
Lynne wrote:
>Though I can't imagine any duck-woman marrying Donald. And speaking
of
>marrying.... Have there been any inter-species marriages?
Not yet, but in 1931-32 Horace Horsecollar (an horse) and Clarabelle
Cow (a cow) engaged each other... at the moment they aren't married
yet, but... well... maybe that in the last 60-70 years they found some
time to spend together... ;-)
Lynne wrote:
>Though I can't imagine any duck-woman marrying Donald. And speaking
of
>marrying.... Have there been any inter-species marriages?
Not yet, but in 1931-32 Horace Horsecollar (an horse) and Clarabelle
Cow (a cow) engaged each other... at the moment they aren't married
yet, but... well... maybe that in the last 60-70 years they found some
time to spend together... ;-)
Gerstein, David DK - ECN
Disney comics Digest V98 #168
Message 206 -
1998-07-20 at 11:12:36
ETA:
[Re: "Colossus"]
>Well, I don't see anything wrong in the translation, here.
>Gladstone version just stresses the fact that Donald just
>realized the BB were their techies, as in fact they were,
>while the original assumes it's just obvious.
[snip]
>I've put that example panels on my page because of the gun
>turning into a flare gun. And I must also add that, although
>meddling with art doesn't make me happy, we know the rules
>as they are nowadays for reprints, "Thou shalt not point a
>gun", etc, and Gladstone's solution of the problem in this
>case is quite elegant. A flare gun is MUCH better than
>pointing fingers...;-)
And let's see a pointing finger bring down a couple of hot-air
balloons!
When I wrote the dialogue for the now-censored panels in
Gladstone's edition (BEFORE the censorship took place in Burbank), it
went over about like this, with much less dialogue than you're reading
now...
[first panel]
"Let's move, B and B! We're going up!"
"The Beagle Boys were our TECHNICIANS! I see it all now! >SNORT!
SNORT!<
[next panel]
"Well, this pistol they dropped ought to blow a few HOLES in
their plans!"
As in the original story, I tried to be ambiguous about exactly what
Donald's shooting was intended to accomplish (I think Scarpa was
intending us to wonder whether he was firing directly at the Beagles
themselves!). Maybe I *shouldn't* have been ambiguous that way. As you
can see, any ambiguity is gone in the approved Burbank version...
David Gerstein
<(Email removed)>
[Re: "Colossus"]
>Well, I don't see anything wrong in the translation, here.
>Gladstone version just stresses the fact that Donald just
>realized the BB were their techies, as in fact they were,
>while the original assumes it's just obvious.
[snip]
>I've put that example panels on my page because of the gun
>turning into a flare gun. And I must also add that, although
>meddling with art doesn't make me happy, we know the rules
>as they are nowadays for reprints, "Thou shalt not point a
>gun", etc, and Gladstone's solution of the problem in this
>case is quite elegant. A flare gun is MUCH better than
>pointing fingers...;-)
And let's see a pointing finger bring down a couple of hot-air
balloons!
When I wrote the dialogue for the now-censored panels in
Gladstone's edition (BEFORE the censorship took place in Burbank), it
went over about like this, with much less dialogue than you're reading
now...
[first panel]
"Let's move, B and B! We're going up!"
"The Beagle Boys were our TECHNICIANS! I see it all now! >SNORT!
SNORT!<
[next panel]
"Well, this pistol they dropped ought to blow a few HOLES in
their plans!"
As in the original story, I tried to be ambiguous about exactly what
Donald's shooting was intended to accomplish (I think Scarpa was
intending us to wonder whether he was firing directly at the Beagles
themselves!). Maybe I *shouldn't* have been ambiguous that way. As you
can see, any ambiguity is gone in the approved Burbank version...
David Gerstein
<(Email removed)>
Gerstein, David DK - ECN
Disney comics Digest V98 #169
Message 207 -
1998-07-20 at 12:05:02
Hi, guys...
Comments on several topics today, that apply to everyone -
GLADSTONE E-MAIL:
The Gladstone comics titles' e-mail addresses are all down
because something's wrong with their server system, Primenet... or so I
suspect. I'm trying to send *business* related e-mail to them from
Copenhagen, and it's bouncing back from their office address, so
something's obviously wrong that they can't help.
In regards to all this and RICH in particular, for all who want
to know, *my* Gladstone site (on the Williams College server) is *dead*,
and some of its links don't work. It was once the official company site
(before Gladstone got the capability to maintain a website in-house),
but it no longer is, and hasn't been for quite a while. The only reason
my site hasn't been removed from the Williams server is that I can't
access the Williams server right now. It won't be around much longer, in
any event.
MELODY MOUSE:
Yes, that's the name of Minnie's *single* niece from the 1960s
S-coded stories drawn mostly by Jim Fletcher. It's Melody. Nothing else.
I know this from actually seeing Egmont's records on the
English-language versions of the stories as they reside in the Egmont
archives. Yes, there are S-coded stories from the period that include a
"Molly" (who some have given as a name for this niece), but the
character in question is Brer Rabbit's girlfriend Molly Cottontail. The
single niece for Minnie is, and remains, Melody.
On a related note, we've also talked about Minnie having the
*twin* nieces. Whether one of them is the same as Melody is unknown;
sometimes I think that has been intended, but it's never been done
consistently. The pair has, at various times, been called Pammy/Tammy,
Maisie/Melody, Melody/Millicent, and Millie/Tillie. And Egmont's
official names are the last two (Millie/Tillie), although they've only
been in a very few Egmont stories.
David Gerstein,
(wondering what happened to Minnie's nephew Manfred after he
showed up in a 1937 Sunday page and never, to my knowledge, appeared
again)
<(Email removed)>
Comments on several topics today, that apply to everyone -
GLADSTONE E-MAIL:
The Gladstone comics titles' e-mail addresses are all down
because something's wrong with their server system, Primenet... or so I
suspect. I'm trying to send *business* related e-mail to them from
Copenhagen, and it's bouncing back from their office address, so
something's obviously wrong that they can't help.
In regards to all this and RICH in particular, for all who want
to know, *my* Gladstone site (on the Williams College server) is *dead*,
and some of its links don't work. It was once the official company site
(before Gladstone got the capability to maintain a website in-house),
but it no longer is, and hasn't been for quite a while. The only reason
my site hasn't been removed from the Williams server is that I can't
access the Williams server right now. It won't be around much longer, in
any event.
MELODY MOUSE:
Yes, that's the name of Minnie's *single* niece from the 1960s
S-coded stories drawn mostly by Jim Fletcher. It's Melody. Nothing else.
I know this from actually seeing Egmont's records on the
English-language versions of the stories as they reside in the Egmont
archives. Yes, there are S-coded stories from the period that include a
"Molly" (who some have given as a name for this niece), but the
character in question is Brer Rabbit's girlfriend Molly Cottontail. The
single niece for Minnie is, and remains, Melody.
On a related note, we've also talked about Minnie having the
*twin* nieces. Whether one of them is the same as Melody is unknown;
sometimes I think that has been intended, but it's never been done
consistently. The pair has, at various times, been called Pammy/Tammy,
Maisie/Melody, Melody/Millicent, and Millie/Tillie. And Egmont's
official names are the last two (Millie/Tillie), although they've only
been in a very few Egmont stories.
David Gerstein,
(wondering what happened to Minnie's nephew Manfred after he
showed up in a 1937 Sunday page and never, to my knowledge, appeared
again)
<(Email removed)>
Claudia Rege Cambrin
WHERE do you keep all those comics? (plus other things)
Message 208 -
1998-07-20 at 12:22:35
To all those collectors with meters after meters (feet after feet) of
comics I have a question: where do you keep them? My collection is
incredibly smaller than the smallest of yours (as a matter of fact I don't
even call it a collection, just "keeping a comic after reading it"), but in
spite of it I don't have enough space for it! So I have to keep it at my
parent's house and now and then I go for a visit... ("Hello mum, hello dad,
how are you? Are my comics OK? Can I take a look?")
...that's why I was VERY scared of reading Kriton's message:
>It seems
>that *throwing away* Barks (and other kinds of) comics is a *woman's*
>hobby. Many of us have been forced to throw away our comics by our
>mothers at some time. *Why, oh, why*? :-)
Well, I hope my mother knows that throwing away just one of those book
could be really dangerous!
To ETA BETA (about "The Sheepish Cowboys"):
>KATIE, CLAUDIA
>
>"The Sheepish Cowboys" is indeed by Carl Barks, and was
>first published in July '59 on "Grandma Duck's Farm Friends"
>(Four Color 1010), together with 3 other stories:
Phew! I'm not as senile as I thought after all...
>Claudia could find "The Sheepish Cowboy" on Zio Paperone 53,
>and the others on ZP 67 and 69.
Thanks! So I guess I'm going to visit my parents this weekend ;)
KRITON also wrote:
>Scrooge and Glomgold's string collecting reminded me of something
>my father (and presumably others) used to do: chocolate wrapper
>collection
Yes, I remember a lot of people doing this collection when I was a child. I
also think there were people actually buying aluminium balls by the weight.
This and other "hard times" collection have disappeared now.
Bye for now,
Claudia
(((( --------------------------------------------------
jgs { '> Few women admit their age. Few men act theirs.
/ ,\ --------------------------------------------------
/_/ / Claudia Rege Cambrin ((Email removed))
===//="==== Corso Nazionale 161, 19125 La Spezia (SP) - ITALY
/ --------------------------------------------------
comics I have a question: where do you keep them? My collection is
incredibly smaller than the smallest of yours (as a matter of fact I don't
even call it a collection, just "keeping a comic after reading it"), but in
spite of it I don't have enough space for it! So I have to keep it at my
parent's house and now and then I go for a visit... ("Hello mum, hello dad,
how are you? Are my comics OK? Can I take a look?")
...that's why I was VERY scared of reading Kriton's message:
>It seems
>that *throwing away* Barks (and other kinds of) comics is a *woman's*
>hobby. Many of us have been forced to throw away our comics by our
>mothers at some time. *Why, oh, why*? :-)
Well, I hope my mother knows that throwing away just one of those book
could be really dangerous!
To ETA BETA (about "The Sheepish Cowboys"):
>KATIE, CLAUDIA
>
>"The Sheepish Cowboys" is indeed by Carl Barks, and was
>first published in July '59 on "Grandma Duck's Farm Friends"
>(Four Color 1010), together with 3 other stories:
Phew! I'm not as senile as I thought after all...
>Claudia could find "The Sheepish Cowboy" on Zio Paperone 53,
>and the others on ZP 67 and 69.
Thanks! So I guess I'm going to visit my parents this weekend ;)
KRITON also wrote:
>Scrooge and Glomgold's string collecting reminded me of something
>my father (and presumably others) used to do: chocolate wrapper
>collection
Yes, I remember a lot of people doing this collection when I was a child. I
also think there were people actually buying aluminium balls by the weight.
This and other "hard times" collection have disappeared now.
Bye for now,
Claudia
(((( --------------------------------------------------
jgs { '> Few women admit their age. Few men act theirs.
/ ,\ --------------------------------------------------
/_/ / Claudia Rege Cambrin ((Email removed))
===//="==== Corso Nazionale 161, 19125 La Spezia (SP) - ITALY
/ --------------------------------------------------
Claudia Rege Cambrin
Corrections AKA Censorship
Message 209 -
1998-07-20 at 12:24:32
About "Colossus of the Nile" and the flare gun (a subject introduced by ETA
BETA):
>I've put that example panels on my page because of the gun
>turning into a flare gun. And I must also add that, although
>meddling with art doesn't make me happy, we know the rules
>as they are nowadays for reprints, "Thou shalt not point a
>gun", etc, and Gladstone's solution of the problem in this
>case is quite elegant. A flare gun is MUCH better than
>pointing fingers...;-)
Especially because with pointing fingers it would be difficult to explain
why the BB balloons explode! (placebo effect?)
However, I agree about "meddling with art": I don't like it at all.
I may add that changes in reprints of old stories are not only made when
translation is involved. I have noticed that recently the reprints of old
italian stories have often some lines changed. For instance, I remember a
story with Ellsworth in which every occurrence of the word "sigaro"
("cigar") was replaced with "merce" ("stuff"). The result was lots of lines
which did not make sense, as in "how much does a box of stuff cost?" "five
dollars" (?!).
Personally I find this very annoying. I wrote a letter to complain and I
received an answer which essentially said that this was not going to change
in the future. Learning that things are the same (or even worse) in other
countries does not make me feel happier.
I appreciated the fact that on the last issue of "I Maestri Disney" (in the
story about the Indian calumet, argh, I don't remember the title) they put
the original, non politically-correct line "dannati musi rossi" ("damn red
faces") instead of its more recent correction...
Pointing fingers? Blue Pygmy Indians? Looks like we're in an episode from
"The Twilight Zone"...
(((( --------------------------------------------------
jgs { '> Few women admit their age. Few men act theirs.
/ ,\ --------------------------------------------------
/_/ / Claudia Rege Cambrin ((Email removed))
===//="==== Corso Nazionale 161, 19125 La Spezia (SP) - ITALY
/ --------------------------------------------------
BETA):
>I've put that example panels on my page because of the gun
>turning into a flare gun. And I must also add that, although
>meddling with art doesn't make me happy, we know the rules
>as they are nowadays for reprints, "Thou shalt not point a
>gun", etc, and Gladstone's solution of the problem in this
>case is quite elegant. A flare gun is MUCH better than
>pointing fingers...;-)
Especially because with pointing fingers it would be difficult to explain
why the BB balloons explode! (placebo effect?)
However, I agree about "meddling with art": I don't like it at all.
I may add that changes in reprints of old stories are not only made when
translation is involved. I have noticed that recently the reprints of old
italian stories have often some lines changed. For instance, I remember a
story with Ellsworth in which every occurrence of the word "sigaro"
("cigar") was replaced with "merce" ("stuff"). The result was lots of lines
which did not make sense, as in "how much does a box of stuff cost?" "five
dollars" (?!).
Personally I find this very annoying. I wrote a letter to complain and I
received an answer which essentially said that this was not going to change
in the future. Learning that things are the same (or even worse) in other
countries does not make me feel happier.
I appreciated the fact that on the last issue of "I Maestri Disney" (in the
story about the Indian calumet, argh, I don't remember the title) they put
the original, non politically-correct line "dannati musi rossi" ("damn red
faces") instead of its more recent correction...
Pointing fingers? Blue Pygmy Indians? Looks like we're in an episode from
"The Twilight Zone"...
(((( --------------------------------------------------
jgs { '> Few women admit their age. Few men act theirs.
/ ,\ --------------------------------------------------
/_/ / Claudia Rege Cambrin ((Email removed))
===//="==== Corso Nazionale 161, 19125 La Spezia (SP) - ITALY
/ --------------------------------------------------
Kyrimis
Disney comics Digest V98 #168
Message 210 -
1998-07-20 at 14:49:07
WILMER RIVERS:
> I would like to see a story in which they meet
> all 36 Beagle Boys
This topic has come up before, and was even discussed in Gladstone's or
Disney's letter pages, but I never seem to remember the final answer.
However, I'm fairly certain that if we consider only Barks' stories, 36
is a rather large number.
DEAN REKICH:
> A couple of digests ago "(Email removed)" wrote that he would like to
> see a Gladstone prestige format Donald Duck title. When I read this I
> immediately thought "YES!!! YES!!! YES!!!"
Personally, I would like to see *fewer* prestige titles, and *more*
regular titles. One my joys in life is to sit at the table, and have a
snack while reading a Disney comic book. Albums and prestige format
comics, that cannot lay flat on the table (unless you break the spine,
I suppose), cannot be used in such an activity, and are therefore a big
disappointment for me.
Of course, if Gladstone are (are they?) mainly addressing collectors,
who wouldn't dream of actually reading their comics, lest they damage
them, such a point is totally irrelevant.
STEFAN DIOS:
(Re: The spelling of "Mythtic Mystery")
> How many of you had this title wrong? Or, should we ask, how many
> had it right?
Given the way people read (in terms of patterns/words rather than single
letters), I'd be surprised if *anyone* got it right at the first reading.
ETA BETA:
> It's "imbutofono" in Italian, literally "funnelphone" :-)
A very appropriate name for that instrument, and just as funny as the
original Greek name, "noisephone". (The former describes how the
instrument looks, the latter how it performs, if not played correctly.)
Even though I don't speak Italian, this is exactly the name I ended up
with (with a little help from AltaVista's translation service) after
Paolo Castagno posted the original name. This is one more indication
that I simply have to find the time to write to Comic Art about
ordering Le Grande Storie di Romano Scarpa! (I wish they had answered
my e-mail inquiries. Sending e-mail is so much simpler for me!)
> >In addition, Altacraz was translated as Alcaraz!
>
> Well, that's surely an editor's choice rather than misspelling,
> I believe.
Obviously. It does show, however, that they had noticed that the name
was not spelled "Alcatraz", which is more than I can say about myself
when I first read the story.
> A flare gun is MUCH better than
> pointing fingers...;-)
Perhaps they could have changed the gun into a custard gun, and have
added some more Barks continuity into the story! (I'd love to have read
the explanation they would have given about why custard pellets would
deflate the Beagles' dirigible!) :-)
> Hey! Can Somebody please give me the Last Balaboo's names
> in various languages ?
I don't know about the recent publication in Komix (If there was one,
I'm not 100% certain), but in the first Greek printing it was called
something like LAMBOO or LABOO. (The actual Greek spelling is
Lambda-alpha-mu-pi-omicron-upsilon. The "mu-pi" combination can be
pronounced as either "mb" or "b", depending on the word.)
If you are interested in adding this to the "Last balaboo" page,
contact me to show you a trick with which you can add small amounts of
Greek text in a web page without requiring Greek fonts.
Kriton (e-mail: (Email removed))
(WWW: http://dias.cti.gr/~kyrimis
-----
"What are we gonna do now?"
"Keep it confused, feed it with useless information--I wonder if I have a
television set handy."
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> I would like to see a story in which they meet
> all 36 Beagle Boys
This topic has come up before, and was even discussed in Gladstone's or
Disney's letter pages, but I never seem to remember the final answer.
However, I'm fairly certain that if we consider only Barks' stories, 36
is a rather large number.
DEAN REKICH:
> A couple of digests ago "(Email removed)" wrote that he would like to
> see a Gladstone prestige format Donald Duck title. When I read this I
> immediately thought "YES!!! YES!!! YES!!!"
Personally, I would like to see *fewer* prestige titles, and *more*
regular titles. One my joys in life is to sit at the table, and have a
snack while reading a Disney comic book. Albums and prestige format
comics, that cannot lay flat on the table (unless you break the spine,
I suppose), cannot be used in such an activity, and are therefore a big
disappointment for me.
Of course, if Gladstone are (are they?) mainly addressing collectors,
who wouldn't dream of actually reading their comics, lest they damage
them, such a point is totally irrelevant.
STEFAN DIOS:
(Re: The spelling of "Mythtic Mystery")
> How many of you had this title wrong? Or, should we ask, how many
> had it right?
Given the way people read (in terms of patterns/words rather than single
letters), I'd be surprised if *anyone* got it right at the first reading.
ETA BETA:
> It's "imbutofono" in Italian, literally "funnelphone" :-)
A very appropriate name for that instrument, and just as funny as the
original Greek name, "noisephone". (The former describes how the
instrument looks, the latter how it performs, if not played correctly.)
Even though I don't speak Italian, this is exactly the name I ended up
with (with a little help from AltaVista's translation service) after
Paolo Castagno posted the original name. This is one more indication
that I simply have to find the time to write to Comic Art about
ordering Le Grande Storie di Romano Scarpa! (I wish they had answered
my e-mail inquiries. Sending e-mail is so much simpler for me!)
> >In addition, Altacraz was translated as Alcaraz!
>
> Well, that's surely an editor's choice rather than misspelling,
> I believe.
Obviously. It does show, however, that they had noticed that the name
was not spelled "Alcatraz", which is more than I can say about myself
when I first read the story.
> A flare gun is MUCH better than
> pointing fingers...;-)
Perhaps they could have changed the gun into a custard gun, and have
added some more Barks continuity into the story! (I'd love to have read
the explanation they would have given about why custard pellets would
deflate the Beagles' dirigible!) :-)
> Hey! Can Somebody please give me the Last Balaboo's names
> in various languages ?
I don't know about the recent publication in Komix (If there was one,
I'm not 100% certain), but in the first Greek printing it was called
something like LAMBOO or LABOO. (The actual Greek spelling is
Lambda-alpha-mu-pi-omicron-upsilon. The "mu-pi" combination can be
pronounced as either "mb" or "b", depending on the word.)
If you are interested in adding this to the "Last balaboo" page,
contact me to show you a trick with which you can add small amounts of
Greek text in a web page without requiring Greek fonts.
Kriton (e-mail: (Email removed))
(WWW: http://dias.cti.gr/~kyrimis
-----
"What are we gonna do now?"
"Keep it confused, feed it with useless information--I wonder if I have a
television set handy."
-----