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David:

> Patty Klein could not have invented this club.

Then either she misremembered, or I misremember what she said.

> the club
> roll call includes Willy Weasel, Dirty Bill the bulldog, Ricky Rat (a
> tiny rat, I kid you not), and some unnamed warthogs, raccoons, and
> additional bears.

Talking about strange appearances: in one Dutch story, Ellsworth is a
member of that club!

--Harry.

ANDERS CHRISTIAN:

> I looked in their=20
>encyclopedia which did not know about donaldism, and they=20
>didn't either, before I told them about it. (It's a bit starnge,=20
>them having NAFS(k) which is for all Sweden, isn't it?)

NAFS(k) actually has an entry in the huge Swedish "Nationalencyklopedin",
even though "Donaldism" or "ankism" have not. I'm more than a little proud
that something I have been part of, originally more or less as a gag (at
least according to outsiders), has been "seriously accepted" in this way...
But there are still some small portions of the population, like your
acquaintances, that need enlightenment! (Actually, quite large portions.)

As for "green peas / Greenpeace"... yes, I was trying to make a joke... a
pun, no less! Sorry if it came out a little lame. Unfortunately, most of my
gags in the Swedish "Kalle Anka" aren't much better! I still feel a little
awkward about putting in those :-) signs in my emails, but maybe I have to
adapt...

In this case, my point was that I couldn't understand why you were talking
about peas at all. But now you told me... "green peas" in Danish are "green
woodpeckers" in Swedish and "greenhorns" in English... right? Sounds easy
enough. You live and learn.

OWEN:

> By the way, how
>was the very funny "Coral Barques" line in Don Rosa's "Tresure Under
>Glass" dealt with in various translations?

I did the Swedish translation for this one, and I have to admit I never even
noticed the gag! I thought it was another "obscure fact" that Don always
digs up for his stories, and that it just was about... well, coral barques.
So I translated it more or less literally, which of course makes no sense
gag-wise.

Later, when somebody asked me that same question; after looking like a
nesting box for a while, I blushed with embarrassment. I tried to defend my
density by thinking that you'd need to read the line out aloud in an
American accent to catch the joke... but evidently, Australian works as well!

Then again, I'm quite sure I never could have made up a similar pun in
Swedish. But I always like to know what I miss, so I can claim I did it on
purpose!

"WORKERS' PARADISE"

"Treasure of Marco Polo" was recently published in Sweden for the very first
time, so I got a chance to translate it. I was given the new, edited (or
"censored") dialog, with all references to revolutions etc. deleted; but I
had access to Barks' original script. My choice was to stay close to his
original when I could, as I didn't think people in peaceful Sweden would
react so harsh to the thought of civil war in a far-off country. In fact, at
one point in the story, it seemed to me that the idea of an attack from a
neighboring country, as it's presented in the edited version instead of a
civil war, made the plot a little strained or illogical. So I stuck to the
old text.

But I kept the "McDuck Industries" intact, instead of going back to
"workers' paradise". Why? Because I think it's much better. No political
statement, just my opinion of humorous story-telling. That panel (and that
whole scene) is brilliant, and works even better with the reference to
"McDuck Industries", especially with Scrooge's facial expression.

But in all, I can't say this is one of my favorite Barks stories. Way too
noisy for me, and while the plot might be working, the unsteady setting
deters from my appreciation of it. Never was much interested in war or
politics... in case there's any difference between the two... Actually, I
was hoping "Marco Polo" might come in a Golden Book, aimed for a more mature
audience, but Egmont opted to put in the weekly magazine.

As for the general idea of "education" in comics, the way Claudia puts it:

> But I would suggest not
>to make stories "too" simple for children. Children have a very good skill
>for learning new things, and they would probably appreciate a story that
>tells them something new...

I couldn't agree more. The day I'm forced to look down on "my" readers, I'll
pack up and leave. On the other hand, I have been known to perhaps go too
far on occasion... it's a fine line to tread.

Stefan Dios
Malmo, Sweden

"Charlie Babbitt made a joke!" /Rain Man

Some time ago it was discussed if Don Rosa's art for "On A Silver
Platter" had been "censored" by the Dutch editors. Even Don denied
that, but someone on this list has an original page from the story,
and claims that many details have been whited out.
Maybe he can be talked into restoring it into it's original state?

(I'm a little shocked by the guy who had Carl Barks color a sketch
for a WDC&S cover some 50 years later (see WDC&S #627). But I also
find it absurd, that people let him scribble his name across mint
condition, decades old comic books. I *know* their monetary value
increases steeply, and sentimental value probably too.
But it's still "malicious damage" in some odd way...)

I'm glad to see the interest my little summer contest regarding
relative lengths of comic collections aroused, and humbly admit
defeat to Paolo Castogno, who outdid me with a full 50% increase:
no less than 30 meters/100 feet of disney comics.

At most half of which may be Topolino: approximately 55 feet for
a full collection, as far as I can figure (and only two thirds of
an issue being comics). I know there are a LOT of different titles
in Italy, but only the reprint titles (Classici Disney) can come
even close to Topolino in volume... or should I say length?
So I wonder what the rest are? The much-discussed "Paperinik -
New Adventures" is only about half a foot, but I know next to
nothing about titles like "Minni".

Hey, not that I DOUBT you, Paolo, I'm just curious! :-)

There seemed to be diverging opinions on the definition of the
term "comic book" - to a Dane it's a little silly to have a thin
magazine called a "book" in the first place - and I interpreted
it in the widest sense possible: any piece of paper with duck
related printing on it. (But I didn't dump my dcomics-digest
collection to a printer though! ;-)

Claudia wondered how on earth one would store such an amount of
comics. Since I don't have an underground vault I have to cheat:
I use both sides of the shelves...

By The Way, about half my collection is weeklies - what purists
would refer to as "comic books proper" - and the other half is
pocket sized books with contents of mostly Italian origin.

The last half(!) is a mix of American, German, Norwegian, Dutch
a.o. magazines, and a few albums, as well as some fanzines and
real books. Hardly any of it is really valuable or rare in any
sense, and I would find it hard to single any of it out as of
special importance. Perhaps my torn, coverless copy of the ol'
Danish #1 (a real heirloom), or a 50 cent copy of OS 1025, or
Greek Miky Maus #862 with a rare reprint of Scarpa's I TL 395-B
(I only just identified it!), or Topolino #1657 with Cavazzano's
"Casablanca" or... the list goes on and on.

Anders Sivebaek: It's nice to hear you enjoyed your trip to the
neighbouring countries, and added a few feet to your disney
collection :-) I used to subscribe to other Scandinavian editions
too, but quit when the got too similar, or actually identical, but
still ask friends and relatives to pick up an issue or two, when
they leave little Denmark. Just to stay informed about any develop-
ments. What I'd really keep my eyes open for when shopping around
in Norway and Sweden are the many special albums, that were never
published in Denmark: the Goofy History, Time Machine and Treasure
Chest series all ran for many more issues than we saw in Denmark.
Not to mention the ever continuing volumes of Al Taliaferro Donald
Duck dailies, that only saw four issues in Denmark ("En daglig dosis").

You asked several questions regarding your purchases, and I believe
Harry and others answered them all except one: the "little guy" in
what you (quite understandably) considered the story coded "I-1373-B".
For unknown reasons the Italian editors swapped the two stories in
the original publication of Topolino, and hence we (the omniscient
indexers) consider it to be "I TL 1373-A".

The data from Marco Barlotti (or originally Franco Fossati) say:

"Topolino ferroviere d'assalto"
Writer: Alessandro Sisti, art: Luciano Gatto (26+28 pages)
Topolino, Pippo e Musone devono attraversare gli Stati Uniti in treno
per sperimentare un'invenzione di Enigm/Macchia Nera

(It was originally a sequel over two issues of Topolino, and the
second title page has as usual been cut in the reprint.)

"Musone" is Gloomy, and "Enigm" is Professor Einmug, both characters
from the old Gottfredson days, as is the villain with the moustache,
known in Denmark as "Sorte Slyngel" and in Sweden "Sorte Klat".

Their names in the Danish edition I'm sitting with are BTW "Pelle"
and "prof. Ferm", but their names often change, when the translator
doesn't recognize them. Gloomy is "Freddy" in I TL 669-C, "MM paa
vingerne igen" (Jumbobog #52) and "Charlie" in YM 017, "Hoejt at
flyve" (Den Store Go'e Gamle MM)!

We only know of two more stories in the database with Gloomy, the
first of which was in "Den Store Mickey Mouse" from 1976. I only
have that book in English, so there may be one more alias.

With respect to professor Einmug he has had a lot more appearances,
though the original, "MM on Sky Island" I'm surprised to discover
hasn't been printed in Denmark, but twice in recent years in the US.

Actually I found 18 Danish appearances (though there are almost
certainly more, yet un-registered) and he appears under no less than
TEN different names:
prof. Krinkelkrogh/Saehr/Lunetta/Rebus/Ferm/Cumulus/Finurlig/Rahr and
dr. Kvalm, as well as Otto Man (in a crossword/puzzle book)...

We could of course ask someone at Egmont what his official Danish
name is, but I'm worried if he's just declared a "non-person", as
happened to a lot of old acquaintances a while ago...
(I'm kidding; Byron would never do that to a really classic
character, even if Floyd Gottfredson only used him once.)

I had NO idea your question was so difficult, when I sat down to
answer it, but it's surprising how much you can learn with a good
database and 20 meters of source material. :-)

Ole 'RoC' Reichstein Nielsen <(Email removed)>

SOEREN

>The picture showing the quarrel between
>US and Rockerduck looks extremely familiar, almost
>Perego like, but I couldn't really place it (?!)

It's copied from the second panel of the Barks story
in WDC 255, Rockerduck's debut.

In Italy it became a running gag and for years one
could find a few of these scenes (nearly identical)
in every story involving Rockerduck :-)

>Could I BTW put the four pictures on my homepage, as
>an example of Bordini art? I am sure many non-Italians
>out there would be interested.

You're welcome.

HARRY

>>>I TL 135-A D:Amundsen's talisman
>>>S 86081 D:Delay of the Land

>> Well, they actually appear in the headers of both stories, too,
>> as proper titles would...
>
>If that is true, then the indexers made a mistake. Can you (or someone
>else) confirm that these titles were actually on the first page of the
>USA reprints of those stories?

Yes. I can send you scans of the headers, if you want.

>...would an American misspell the word "villain" as
>"villian"? 8-)

Yes. I have dozens of emails that prove just that ;-)

on Jack Bradbury

HARRY

>I'm very familiar with his style. Together with Harvey Eisenberg, he is
>THE artist for Chip 'n' Dale stories (like Murry is mice, Hubbard is
>Scamp, Barks is ducks). But apart from a few C'n'D stories, I cannot
>remember any GOOD story drawn by Bradbury!

Well, he did quite a few Pluto's shorts that weren't bad at all, in the
fifties, if one likes the "genre", that is, and some DD ones, too.
But I guess I understand what you mean with "good" stories, here.
Bradbury was mostly a short-story man, which means he hardly ever had
material for an intricate plot to expand.

Still, there's a couple of DD stories you may like to check, with more
room for a bit of plot :

OS 394 - DD in Malayalaya (writ: Del Connell)
DD 27 - DD and the flying horse
DD 29 - Stolen painting
DD 29 - Desert health
DD 30 - Pokerface mine (writ: Carl Fallberg)
DD 30 - In the wilderness (writ: Carl Fallberg)
DD 31 - Vacation work (writ: Carl Fallberg)

BTW, if you can check DD 31, or some reprints, try and find

W DD 31-04 - Cousin Botcho

There's an amazing resemblance of DD's cousin Botcho with
Gyro's uncle Euclideus...

FRANCOIS

>Regarding Bradbury's stories, I like his DD stories (more than the ones
>featuring MM).

Well, my taste is different. I believe his particular drawing style was
better "fitted" with Mickey, and remember his "Mouse Family Album"
stories of the early sixties as some of his best, art-wise.

>Anyway, it must be a good artist, since Comic Art is currently publishing
>hard cover books containing Bradbury stories only!

A slight (and sad) correction: Comic Art did 2 volumes of early Bradbury
stuff 3-4 years ago... I don't think further volumes will be produced,
but one can dream...

DANIEL

>KRITON KYRIMIS to ETA BETA, 17 July 1998:
>> [Eta's "Last Balaboo" webpage project]

>I'm amazed how *difficult* it is just to make a reasonable webpage.

Well, my page *is* reasonable, I daresay, thank you very much... ;-)
I even take the pain of testing it on various different machines to
check everything works fine and the images are displayed with the proper
colors.
(In fact, I'm currently working to correct a glitch in the color palette
with Windows machines).

Kryton's problem derived only from his not having loaded the updated
version of the page.

>Does someone know if there are guides in working with colours on screens?
>Are there colour-shades which should be avoided and/or only limited?

Try these ones, and follow some links. There's lots of interesting
stuff :

http://www.anybrowser.org/

http://www.webreference.com/dev/graphics/

http://www.htmlhelp.com/reference/html40/

Cheers

Eta Beta