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DeanMary
According to my source,(The Worlds of Westfield), issue 315 of Uncle
Scrooge will contain *part one* of Scarpa's "The Flying Scot". The only
other mentioned story for that issue is a Gyro story. Now if Scarpa's
story is only 29 pages long according to the Disney comics index, why is
it being printed in 2 parts when Uncle Scrooge now is a 64 page comic
book? Is the Gyro story THAT long, or is there another story in that
issue that wasn't mentioned? Just curious...

By the way, all the best luck to Gladstone in renewing the Disney
comics license beyond next year! The fate of Disney comics in North
America rests on it, and I don't even want to THINK about there being no
more Disney comics to buy...

Dean Rekich
Dave Rawson
> "Don Rosa" <(Email removed)>
>
> We're wasting a lot of space here with this [discussion or historical
> and achelogical opinion]

Nah. This is great stuff, Don. I'm sure lots of folks here find it
interesting. I certainly do. Also, I have to agree with you that
when one redacts (traces back to the source) historical insights,
they often hinge on scanty evidence. Sometimes even, the author
has hidden or subconscious agendas served by their interpretation.

For instance, Sir Kenneth Clarke, perhaps Leonardo da Vinci's most
prominent 20th century biographer revealed late in life that he
was gay; information that was not well known when he helped
popularize the theory that da Vinci himself was gay.

In reality, all we know from objective facts is that Leonardo was
anonymously accused (twice) of sodomy, an unenforced Florentine
capital offence; and that the accuser wrote in Latin (not
vulgate), an unusual skill at that moment in Florence,
characteristic of monastic or aristocratic classes.

Though da Vinci was arrested, no proceedings were ever carried to
the conclusion of either guilt or innocence.

There are many more instances where one can find backwards
confluence of opinion stemming from one casual sentence, say from
Vasari's "Lives of the Artists", on which much shaky conjecture is
built.

Interestingly, even Will and Ariel Durant's monumental and epic
multi-volume "History of Civilization" (available on CD!) is
clearly a survey of best guess sources on any given subject. (At
least I found no original scholorship in the admittedly narrow
arena I studied.)

In my opinion, perhaps the finest of we current comic book
historians is Tim Truman. His work on Simon Gerty, Tecumsah, and
the French and Indian War is phenomenal. His lesser-known
"Straight Up to Reach the Sky" (illustrated prose work about the
early-American Allegeny Mountain region) included some very
impressive insights into the deeding of the fertile bottom land
opened up when the indigenous people were driven off their land on
trumped up rumors of violence; rumors traced to Lord Dunsmuir, the
fellow who bankrolled the consortium who bought the land and
resold it to settlers. The fellow who made it all possible by
identifying the best Indian-held land (prior to the conflict) was
a young surveyor-for-hire to Dunsmuir, George Washington.

Nothing is as remarkable as history.

> <(Email removed)>
>
> "Lovable" Donald Duck was a terribly abusive "parent"! Especially in
> the Barks's ten-pagers, Donald *frequently* threatens the nephews with
> a switch [...] I wonder if Donald's behavior was a reflection of
> common attitudes in the 1940's. Was there any criticism at the time
> these stories were written. Was anyone paying attention to these
> "simple comic book stories" at all back then?

Likely, yes, but not in the way you seem to mean. I think
"lovable" is the wrong way to view Donald. In my opinion he is the
fatally flawed everyman, capable of occasionally rising to his
best, but most often shallow and petty, as we all mostly are. The
common attitude that Donald's behavior reflected, in my opinion,
was as a cautionary personality; just as, say, W.C. Fields was, or
Andy Capp.

Should offensive behavior be struck from literature?

--
riverrun past Eve's and Adam's from swerve of shore to bend of bay
(Email removed) -=*=- http://users.aol.com/dcrawson/home.htm
Mike Ralls
Does anyone know when the next Don Rosa story is going to come out, and
what it is about?
Mattias Hallin
At 00.14 1998-07-08, Anders Chr. Siveb=E6k wrote:
>What are those four lines in the american original?

See my sig., below!

/Mattias

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Mantere Jussi
Actually, I don't, but I've been given a slight hint that he might be
working on a story based on Kalevala, the Finnish national epoch. Don,
can you tell us more?

-jussi
--
(define me '((jussi mantere)((Email removed))((Email removed))))
"Goodbye, all you neo-nazis... I hope they give you Auschwitz." -Mr.
McPhisto

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> Lähettäjä: Mike Ralls[SMTP:(Email removed)]
> Lähetetty: 8. heinäkuuta 1998 3:18
> Vastaanottaja: (Email removed)
> Aihe: Upcoming Don Rosa
>
> Does anyone know when the next Don Rosa story is going to come out,
> and
> what it is about?
>
>
Soeren Krarup Olesen
Test: For some reason I don't get the postings
for this mail list anymore, so I just resubscribed and now
hope to get this one myself. And this is a TEST! :-)

S=F8ren
Francois Willot
The new issue of Picsou was published a few days ago. It contains the
"El Dorado" Rosa story. The editors said there are referrences in some
sequences to a French film, "Le salaire de la peur" (Is it that film
with someone carrying very dangerous things in a truck?).

After the Rosa story, there are two great DD stories by Van Horn, D
96365 (18 pages, oddly, there are no splash panels on the 9th page, or
in the middle of the story) and a short one, D 96366 (the beginning
being similar to several Barks ten-pagers...).

DON:
> >Hey, I think that the final result shows that you didn't completely
> >draw
> >the story or that the usual irritating details were partly deleted.
>
> Hm. You are saying that you think the art WAS actually redrawn? Or
> parts deleted?

Yes, that's what Harry also said. Even if 0,01 % of the art was not
drawn by you (or 10^(-10^70) %...), I noticed that there are very few
details, and also unusual blank spaces. Maybe it was only a change in
your drawing style. It's just a personal idea, maybe I'm wrong, too.

> >The
> >story, by the way, is one of your best short tales IMO.
>
> I think it might be my single best short tale, if it's not second to
> that new Magica short. I especially recall that it was the quickest
> and easiest story I ever wrote, so that proves it was a good, basic
> idea that had plenty of funny possibilities that couldn't be screwed
> up!

I agree with you. This story is funny from the beginning to the end (I'm
not saying that the others are not funny of course ;-).

> Egmont has been lopping off the bottoms of my opening panels for years -- so
> I don't even notice it, or I should say I notice it but I've learned not to
> pay attention to save myself the endless frustrations that I experience
> seeing how poorly my stories are presented in Europe by editors who need not
> worry about the creators' opinions. Now I always put dead-space into my
> splash-panels so that the tops or bottoms can be lopped off without screwing
> up the lay-out or deleting vital bits. Did PICSOU lop off more than even
> Egmont? Or did they simply take the lopped-photostats and use them with no
> ability to correct what was done to the art in Copenhagen?
> Egmont always lops off splash panels and whites out important background
> lettering -- that's why I always send my art to Gladstone FIRST, so they can
> get an image of what it looks like before the Egmont people can get their
> hands on it. Egmont does whatever they wish to the original art -- they
> could do it to only the photostats or computer-scans, but they are
> accostomed to treating the original art as if it is no more important than a
> 6 cent copy, and they aren't going to change that attitude just to please
> *me*. I've begged them to leave the originals intact, but they ignore my
> pleas. To them, original art is just paper.

The splash panels are heavily butchered in Picsou (and even more in
Mickey), more than Egmont I think. Some details in your art that are not
published in most of the magazines in Europe are also printed in Picsou,
for instance I remember that the second splash panel of the "Hideous
Space Vermints" is more complete in Picsou than it is in the Gladstone
publication.

Now, since issue # 315, the stories have been published with smaller
titles, and the splash panels are similar to the usual Egmont versions.

PER-ERIK:
>PICSOU Magazine No. 294. I believe it's one of the latest issues (if
>not *the* latest issue). Disregarded the butchering and all the ads, I
>liked the comic book. Unusual to see both beginning and end of a Don
>Rosa story in the same issue.

Issue # 294 is not exactly the latest issue, the last one is # 318. As I
said, the ugly big titles have disappeared in issue # 314, 315, 316, 317
and 318. The previous layout was invented in 1987 and was not changed
until a few months ago. I hope they'll keep the current solution for
another ten years...

DEAN:
>According to my source,(The Worlds of Westfield), issue 315 of Uncle
>Scrooge will contain *part one* of Scarpa's "The Flying Scot". The
>only
>other mentioned story for that issue is a Gyro story. Now if Scarpa's
>story is only 29 pages long according to the Disney comics index, why
>is it being printed in 2 parts when Uncle Scrooge now is a 64 page
>comic book? Is the Gyro story THAT long, or is there another story in
>that issue that wasn't mentioned? Just curious...

"The Flying Scot" is actually 49 pages long (29+20 in Topolino 174+175).
In the database, every part of a story is indexed as one record (I
personally don't like this way of indexing stories, but that's another
problem ;-).

DAVID:

Your story "Pioneer Daze" has been published in Mickey # 2403. I liked
it, and I also liked the use of Cornelius Coot, as part of Duckburg's
history.

Francois

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End of Disney comics Digest V98 Issue #159
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Kriton Kyrimis
DEAN REKICH & FRANCOIS WILLOT:

> >According to my source,(The Worlds of Westfield), issue 315 of Uncle
> >Scrooge will contain *part one* of Scarpa's "The Flying Scot". The
> >only
> >other mentioned story for that issue is a Gyro story. Now if Scarpa's
> >story is only 29 pages long according to the Disney comics index, why
> >is it being printed in 2 parts when Uncle Scrooge now is a 64 page
> >comic book? Is the Gyro story THAT long, or is there another story in
> >that issue that wasn't mentioned? Just curious...
>
> "The Flying Scot" is actually 49 pages long (29+20 in Topolino 174+175).
> In the database, every part of a story is indexed as one record (I
> personally don't like this way of indexing stories, but that's another
> problem ;-).

Komix #119 published this story in one part, in 48 pages out of 68,
so it is not unreasonable to print the story in one issue, assuming of
course that Scarpa is popular enough with the audience to warrant taking
over 70% of the issue.

Does anyone know what was cut from the one-part version? Page 29 in the
Komix edition begins with a two-tier splash panel, where the ducks meet
the Flying Scotsman. My guess is that this was the last panel of part 1
(what about the third tier, though?), and that a similar panel, with room
for a recap, was excised from the beginning of part 2. Is this correct?
--
Kriton (e-mail: (Email removed))
(WWW: http://dias.cti.gr/~kyrimis
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"*Now* is the time when the present is turning into the future."
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Gerstein, David DK - ECN
Hey, guys!

Totally out-of-the-blue question here. German channel PRO7, at
least as of last summer, ran a Bugs Bunny show on weekday evenings. Not
just any Bugs Bunny show; while it showed (rather tattered film prints
of) old Warner cartoons, the program interspersed them with short
sequences where Bugs and other characters introduced the cartoons,
talked about them, and argued among themselves. These short sequences
were originally animated for 1957's "Bugs Bunny Show," and I believe
that PRO7 is the *one* TV station I've ever seen that still showed them.
Anyway, if some German fan would like to make me a VHS copy of
one or two episodes of this, I'd REALLY appreciate it - and would trade
Disney comics of all kinds. If someone out there can do this, could you
please contact me in the next day or so?

Best wishes,
David
Don Rosa
FIRST OF ALL!!!!!
I must say that I was ASTOUNDED to just see that Francois Willot posted
parts of a PRIVATE MESSAGE which I sent to him, in answer to his private
message of complaints and comments about how art is presented in various
European editions, ONTO THIS PUBLIC FORUM! I apologize for this incredible,
INCREDIBLE breach of etiquette and common sense on his part!!! I also
obviously expect an apology to be forthcoming from Francois.

>From: Mike Ralls
>Does anyone know when the next Don Rosa story is going to come out, and
>what it is about?

You're in Sweden? So you mean the next new story, not the next one to be
reprinted by Gladstone? The next new story they have by me is the new
chapter of the "Lo$", chapter "3B", "The Cowboy Captain of the Cutty Sark".
But I have had no correspondence from any translators asking me details
about the historical aspects of the tale, so I assume it is not on the
schedule yet and still some months away.

>From: Mantere Jussi
>Subject: VS: Upcoming Don Rosa
>
>Actually, I don't, but I've been given a slight hint that he might be
>working on a story based on Kalevala, the Finnish national epoch. Don,
>can you tell us more?

I can tell you that I'm the better part of a year away from doing that
Kalevala story, even if the editors allow me to. What I'm working on now is
that sequel to my "Vigilante of Pizen Bluff" where $crooge seeks the Lost
Dutchman's Mine.
Anytime you want to know what I'm working on, go to:
http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/8024/
..I don't know where they get their info, but it's so accurate and
up-to-the-moment that I often go look there myself to see what I am to work
on each day.
Fluks, H.W.
Francois (to Don):
>Some details in your art that are not
>published in most of the magazines in Europe are also printed in Picsou,
>for instance I remember that the second splash panel of the "Hideous
>Space Vermints" is more complete in Picsou than it is in the Gladstone
>publication.

In that particular case, it's a different version of the panel. Don drew
two versions of the story: a 3-part version and a 1-part version.
Gladstone (and most of Egmont) printed the 3-part version, Picsou
printed the 1-part version. The splash panel you mention is very similar
in both versions, but the differences were done by Don himself, not by
the editors.

--Harry.
(Netherlands - Croatia: 2-1, France - Brazil: 1-0 [I hope])
Fluks, H.W.
Anders:
> Hello Harry and the others

Welcome. You'll find out that "the others" are about 200 people from all
over the world...

> I just read an article from 1996 written by a danish donaldist, Steffen
> Kronborg, I hope you've heard of him.

I haven't. I only know a few Danes.

> The article was an analysis of WDC 137 - The Screaming Cowboy
> In Denmark we call the song and the story the "Sobbing Sailor", I wonder
> what it's called in Holland, Sweden and Norway?

I think the name of the song was "De droevige cowboy", but I'm not sure.
The Dutch text (which I *do* remember well) was:

Is eenmaal mijn stervensuur daar,
(Once when it's my dying hour)
Leg dan mijn trouwe gitaar,
(Put my loyal guitar)
Met een dahlia op mijn graf.
(With a dahlia [flower] on my grave)

>The first four lines of the song are very known in Denmark

Interestingly, the English and Dutch versions are only three lines.

--Harry.
Dr. Archontis Pantsios
MIKE asked:

>Does anyone know when the next Don Rosa story is going to come out, and
>what it is about?

..and JUSSI replied:

>Actually, I don't, but I've been given a slight hint that he might be
>working on a story based on Kalevala, the Finnish national epoch.

I guess that since Mike was writing from Willamete University, he was asking
about the next Rosa story to come out in the States, right?

Well, "The Black Knight" is supposed to appear next month, in U$ #314.

In Europe, the next Rosa story to appear should be the "Scrooge in Java"
adventure, or chapter 3B of the Lo$. Anyone got wind of when we can expect that?

And AFTER this, Europeans should expect the "modern" ('50s) sequel to "The
Vigilante of Pizzen Bluff", with the Ducks venturing after the "Lost Peralta
Mine". I believe Don is currently working on this one.

So the Finnish Duck-fans (primarily), and the rest of us, may have to do a
little waiting before a Kalevala duck adaptation...

Cheers,

Archontis
Francois Willot
I'm very SORRY, Don, let me apologize for this. I DIDN'T notice that
this was a PRIVATE mail. I can assure you that this is only a mistake,
and that I never ever wanted to put any private message onto a public
forum. I get all the "dcomics" messages separately (I subscribed to the
non-digest list), and I thought your message was for the whole list. I
always notice it when the message is a private mail - I always take care
of those things -, but in that case, I don't know why, I didn't notice
it: I made a paste work (as I always do) and sent my reply to the whole
list.

Francois
Kosarin
[This is my 1st message]

Hey everybody... I'm Nick Kosarin. The only one who knows me here is
Rich. Anyway... I should have an Introducktion when you read this.
Read it and like I said... this should start some ruckus.
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